Guess some of you need to hear this: Zach Wilson (and his $23 mil 5th yr option) has no Future in NY

[pointman]

30 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Seriously, some of you need to be walked through this?… Forget his dumpster fire play on the field — Aaron committing to at least 2024 officially (and thankfully for Christ sakes) ends any speculation. 

we’re not picking up Zach’s roughly 23+ million dollar 5th year option. 

we’re not gonna double done on him with an extension 

we’re not going to forego drafting a QB in 2025 or signing a veteran because “let’s run it back with Zach”

it’s over. Done. He’ll be cut or traded long before he ever gets named QB1 again here. 

 

[Beerfish]

Eh?   I do not see or have heard many people. even his supporters saying we should pick up his 5th year option. 

Saying the guy is making progress from terrible to somewhat better is not lobbying for that 5th year.

Also, never ever ever say never in the NFL.

See friggin Geno Smith.

See Brock friggin Purdy the last player picked in the draft.

At this point he is a backup and unless disaster strikes will only see the field in mop up duty.

At this point the team and the fans base have a lot bigger things to worry about.  Mainly the oline.

[Larz]

Rodgers and Brown are the expected starters. 
 

maybe we can move on? 
 

 

[k-met57]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

If he plays well at all at any point (and let’s say you’re even rooting for Zach) it’s still nearly inconceivable that he comes back here. His agent will levy that into a better offer for a team to get a fresh start as an unchallenged starter. The GM/Joe can’t afford to get bitten 2x on the same QB by signing Zach to an extension for 60-70 million. Zero chance. 

Lol ok something tells me we’ll both be here long enough to see who was right.

[Rhg1084]

Sam signed a 1 year $4.5m contract with the 49ers. I’m sure Zach’s contract would look something like that. 

[Rhg1084]

3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

If he plays well at all at any point (and let’s say you’re even rooting for Zach) it’s still nearly inconceivable that he comes back here. His agent will levy that into a better offer for a team to get a fresh start as an unchallenged starter. The GM/Joe can’t afford to get bitten 2x on the same QB by signing Zach to an extension for 60-70 million. Zero chance. 

zach would need a full season as a starter HERE where played a 11+ win season. That just won’t happen here before the jets have to pony up more money. 

It’s just not in the cards 

$60-$70m contract extension after being a backup for two years? In what world. He’ll get like a 2 year $8m contract.

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

Sam signed a 1 year $4.5m contract with the 49ers. I’m sure Zach’s contract would look something like that. 

After we traded him and he flamed out there too. He’s not going to “resign” with the jets after backing up Aaron for 2 years. 
 

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

$60-$70m contract extension after being a backup for two years? In what world. He’ll get like a 2 year $8m contract.

Did you even read words. That was under the  hypothetical “he plays well in a handful of spot moments” argument 

[Rhg1084]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

After we traded him and he flamed out there too. He’s not going to “resign” with the jets after backing up Aaron for 2 years. 
 

Why not? Seems like it’d be his best opportunity for success.

[Rhg1084]

Just now, Paradis said:

Did you even read words. That was under the  hypothetical “he plays well in a handful of spot moments” argument 

Na bro, you’re reaching 

[JoJoTownsell1]

32 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Paint the fcking picture for me pal. In what universe do the jets pick up Zach’s bloated 5th yr option.

hes not starting here in 2023 or 2024

Rodgers gets hurt and Wilson plays really well in a couple of starts. See, not that hard to paint that picture. 

In before, OMG Zach can't play well because of the same reasons everyone on this board was convinced Geno could never play well. 

[Paradis]

Lol. You guys. 

Find me another  “drafted in the top 5 QB who sucked, got replaced by a franchise QB, and then decided to stick around for journeyman money after the smoke cleared”.  Where’s that list. 

[Paradis]

1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Rodgers gets hurt and Wilson plays really well in a couple of starts. See, not that hard to paint that picture. 

See the “60-70 million dollar” example

There is zero holes in my case.  

[The Engineer]

21 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Lol yes. 100000%.  Don’t even need to explain to why he’s not going to come back here and try to win the thunderdome over. 

Simple fact is next 2 years will determine this. Anyone thinking they know anything right now just sounds stupid. Gotta do this or gotta do that cause of this money or that money,. Just say you “think” and move on. So many 8 ball shakers on this site

[Paradis]

2 minutes ago, The Engineer said:

Simple fact is next 2 years will determine this. Anyone thinking they know anything right now just sounds stupid. Gotta do this or gotta do that cause of this money or that money,. Just say you “think” and move on. So many 8 ball shakers on this site

Point taken but the history and dollars are pretty clear on this, in favor or against. Zach has 2 years left and Aaron is the guy now. 

[Warfish]

21 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Rodgers gets hurt and Wilson plays really well in a couple of starts. See, not that hard to paint that picture. 

Do you think Zach Wilson would play really well over a couple of starts in 2023?

What does "really well" looks like, aside from W/L, i.e. in QB metrics, to you?

21 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

In before, OMG Zach can't play well because of the same reasons everyone on this board was convinced Geno could never play well. 

Were you advocating to keep Geno Smith here, as a Jet, for an additional five years beyond when we cut him, because you knew he'd be good?  If so, I'd really like to see that post.  

[T0mShane]

Way too many people have bought into this idea that Zach Wilson is now on this linear path of improvement that’ll ultimately lead him to becoming a plus starter and that just seems very, very unlikely. You can point to Geno’s eventual breakout, but even Geno wasn’t as ineffective as Zach Wilson has consistently been. 

[David Harris]

Yeah, but we’ll sign Jordan Love in 15 years

[Lupz27]

52 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Emotionally for some I guess. 

OK, you’re the GM. You have to decide next year on whether to pick up a bloated 5th yr option at aprox $23 Million , 3 years removed for a abject disastrous year, hoping he’ll be your #1 in 2025 IF Aaron retires. 

0/32 GMs say yes 

What happens if Zach Wilson plays about 5 games the next 2 years minimum and looks good winning 4 of those games?  

 

[Hal]

Lol.   Another Zach thread. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

47 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Lol. You guys. 

find me the “drafted in the top 5 QB who sucked, got replaced by a franchise QB, and then decided to stick around for journey money after the smoke cleared”.  Where’s that list. 

It's happened probably about as often as a HOF QB being traded to a new team and then taking a 35 million dollar pay cut for that new team.... before this year.

[ZachStepdad]

The op is the guy who was willing to put it all on the line for the jets to draft Paxton Lynch 

[Paradis]

21 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

What happens if Zach Wilson plays about 5 games the next 2 years minimum and looks good winning 4 of those games?  

 

Worked through that example.  Too little doesn’t yield any difference. Too much - he goes looking for a 2nd lease on life with another team for Hail Mary money. Either way Joe can back throwing another contract at Zach. Only way that happens is Aaron with a week 1 ACL or something and Zach takes the team to the playoffs. That’s a fantasy. 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Eh?   I do not see or have heard many people. even his supporters saying we should pick up his 5th year option. 

Saying the guy is making progress from terrible to somewhat better is not lobbying for that 5th year.

Also, never ever ever say never in the NFL.

See friggin Geno Smith.

See Brock friggin Purdy the last player picked in the draft.

At this point he is a backup and unless disaster strikes will only see the field in mop up duty.

At this point the team and the fans base have a lot bigger things to worry about.  Mainly the oline.

Nobody’s said we should pick up his 5th year option.  That we won’t offer him crazy money that no one would advocate today then somehow that becomes he won’t be here.  

[Darnold's Forehead]

1 hour ago, k-met57 said:

You are stating things as fact while projecting them 2 years out. None of us know what happens by then.

But ok, here we go…

Assuming the jets want to have Wilson because they think he has a future here, it makes no sense for them to go their separate ways after his 4th year. No team in the league will give him a starting job, and the Jets (again assuming they want him) will not be able to bring anyone good in who knows the system and has been in it for multiple years. Conclusion? They work out a 1 year deal with probably an option year (while also eating the Rodgers dead money) to see how things go. We go from there.

Let me guess, your comeback is going to be that Wilson sucks. Ok, your opinion means nothing and neither does mine. The jets either like him or they dont this year, next year, or after that…but they will get it sorted out if they do.

No, the comeback to this is simple.  Your only argument against OP's is "No team in the league will give him a starting job".  So you state that as fact while projecting 2 years.

Did we not just go through the same with Darnold, who was broken and seeing ghosts?  Someone wanted him.  And you assume Zach Wilson, who has struggled mightily in NY, will just want to stay here and continue as is.  It is way more likely he gets offered a back-up job somewhere else and leaves to start fresh, like most of our failure QBs have done.

[Jet Nut]

9 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Worked through that example.  Too little doesn’t yield any difference. Too much - he goes looking for a 2nd lease on life with another team for Hail Mary money. Either way Joe can back throwing another contract at Zach. Only way that happens is Aaron with a week 1 ACL or something and Zach takes the team to the playoffs. That’s a fantasy. 

The wife’s niece, through her mother seems to think they’re getting married.  Something about how in love they are and that they’ve recently been tattooed with each others names. Family in Colts Neck could fudge this theory up.  

[doitny]

i agree with the OP. Zach Wilson is done with the NY Jets. 

look at the scenarios.

in May we have to decide on his 5th year extension.  by that time there will be no way of knowing if Rodgers will play a 3rd year (2025) but we cant take the chance that if he does we are paying his backup extension like money. plus Rodgers cap hit will be big by 2025.

now if we decide to want to sign him to a much lesser deal.....

1.  by March of 2025 the start of FA we should know if Rodgers will come back for a 3rd year. if he does i cant see Wilson signing here to be his backup. there will be a few teams as there always are who have no clear cut starter and will give him a chance to play and maybe even win a starting job.

2. if Rodgers retires after 2 years and even if Wilson starts a few games and looks good there is no why Saleh and JD can trust him. if he fails for a 3rd time there done. they will look like they have no idea what they're doing at QB. the fans and Media will kill them for it. they might not even get a chance to draft a new one in 2026.

it would just be safer for them to let Zach go and draft a QB. and if the opportunity presents itself they should draft one next year and let him learn from Rodgers instead of drafting one after he retires.

[RevisIsland610]

I vote to ban the next guy who starts a Zach Wilson thread. 

[rtnelson]

Just because they don't take the 5th year option doesn't mean they can't sign him to a cheaper contract.  ZW and his family likely knows the best chance to succeed is with the Jets.  If JD and co decide to keep him they won't need a 5th year option to do so.  This isn't rocket science.

[Darnold's Forehead]

The only realistic way I see Zach staying is if Rodgers really pushes Saleh and JD to keep him and Zach takes a humble deal.  This is assuming Zach plays very little this year and doesn't oust himself on the field.  The success of this team the next few years may have a big effect on this decision.

[Jet Nut]

38 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Way too many people have bought into this idea that Zach Wilson is now on this linear path of improvement that’ll ultimately lead him to becoming a plus starter and that just seems very, very unlikely. You can point to Geno’s eventual breakout, but even Geno wasn’t as ineffective as Zach Wilson has consistently been. 

It never ceases to amaze how the absolute best scenario for this team is for Zach to turn it around and a group of fans are so sure it can’t ever happen that they want him gone.  
Every report out of camp was he looks different.  Betting those podcasts you listen to have said as much.  Then he goes out and plays 2 pretty nice games in the first two preseason games and now this group is tripping over themselves to explain what we clearly see as improvement really isn’t for some cherry picked reason.  Or because they hate to tell us he’s gone no matter what.  Because after 20, 22 games whatever, that was his career.  
What Geno was or wasn’t has nothing to do with where ZW will be in the eyes of the team.  

[Wit]

I’m hoping hard knocks busts his stick through the roof and they get a fourth for him.


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[Wit]

It never ceases to amaze how the absolute best scenario for this team is for Zach to turn it around and a group of fans are so sure it can’t ever happen that they want him gone.  
Every report out of camp was he looks different.  Betting those podcasts you listen to have said as much.  Then he goes out and plays 2 pretty nice games in the first two preseason games and now this group is tripping over themselves to explain what we clearly see as improvement really isn’t for some cherry picked reason.  Or because they hate to tell us he’s gone no matter what.  Because after 20, 22 games whatever, that was his career.  
What Geno was or wasn’t has nothing to do with where ZW will be in the eyes of the team.  

I really respect your level headed posts, but as much as it would be nice for him to turn it around, he will never live up to anything close to his draft status.

[Lupz27]

28 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Worked through that example.  Too little doesn’t yield any difference. Too much - he goes looking for a 2nd lease on life with another team for Hail Mary money. Either way Joe can back throwing another contract at Zach. Only way that happens is Aaron with a week 1 ACL or something and Zach takes the team to the playoffs. That’s a fantasy. 

Fantasy’s come true all the time.

[Spoot-Face]

Fast forward two years when Zach signs with the Giants and this thread title looks prettyyyyyy foolish.