The real reason Zach hasn’t panned out?

[wediditjoe]

After the 2021 draft I came to this here board with a question, which in reality was more of a concern. The question was: what makes anyone think the Jets will be able to properly develop another QB prospect? After countless draft picks and a carousel of coaches over 10+ years what is different about Saleh etc that will be able to make ZW successful?

The most consistent answer by a large margin at the time was the hiring of Gregg Knapp. A super valid answer in my opinion. We all know what happened after that (RIP). It’s not really ever talked about either. I really wonder how things would’ve turned out. Knapp was the only veteran coach they had and he was supposed to be a QB whisperer. ZW then got left with 2 rookie coaches and he supposedly was incredibly tight with Knapp.

Crazy to think about and really kind of eerie when thought about in terms of a Jets curse. Also I don’t think this is the only reason for ZW’s struggles, but it is interesting to consider.

[slimjasi]

Moon cycles

@jgb

[bitonti]

It's never Zachs fault 

It's always someone else's fault 

Poor Zach Wilson who got everything he ever wanted in life and never earned any of it 

He's like a side character in Charlie and the chocolate factory. One of the kids that falls in the river or something 

[More Cowbell]

9 minutes ago, wediditjoe said:

After the 2021 draft I came to this here board with a question, which in reality was more of a concern. The question was: what makes anyone think the Jets will be able to properly develop another QB prospect? After countless draft picks and a carousel of coaches over 10+ years what is different about Saleh etc that will be able to make ZW successful?

The most consistent answer by a large margin at the time was the hiring of Gregg Knapp. A super valid answer in my opinion. We all know what happened after that (RIP). It’s not really ever talked about either. I really wonder how things would’ve turned out. Knapp was the only veteran coach they had and he was supposed to be a QB whisperer. ZW then got left with 2 rookie coaches and he supposedly was incredibly tight with Knapp.

Crazy to think about and really kind of eerie when thought about in terms of a Jets curse. Also I don’t think this is the only reason for ZW’s struggles, but it is interesting to consider.

At some point you have to come to terms with what you have. There is enough talent on the team for a QB to be successful if they can pass the ball and read a defense. Zach has shown to be lacking in both areas. I don't  think even Andy Reid can get Zach to look like an NFL QB. Watching Zach during pregame warm ups told me a lot as I look back on it now. He looked like he didn't  have a care in the world, smiling while doing stretching and agility drills. This was literally minutes before the game. Where is the intensity,  where is the game face. This is not how a guy who has  not thrown a TD in his last few games should look. 

[Joe W. Namath]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's never Zachs fault 

It's always someone else's fault 

Poor Zach Wilson who got everything he ever wanted in life and never earned any of it 

He's like a side character in Charlie and the chocolate factory. One of the kids that falls in the river or something 

Zach is Augustus Gloop?

[THE BARON]

20 minutes ago, wediditjoe said:

After the 2021 draft I came to this here board with a question, which in reality was more of a concern. The question was: what makes anyone think the Jets will be able to properly develop another QB prospect? After countless draft picks and a carousel of coaches over 10+ years what is different about Saleh etc that will be able to make ZW successful?

The most consistent answer by a large margin at the time was the hiring of Gregg Knapp. A super valid answer in my opinion. We all know what happened after that (RIP). It’s not really ever talked about either. I really wonder how things would’ve turned out. Knapp was the only veteran coach they had and he was supposed to be a QB whisperer. ZW then got left with 2 rookie coaches and he supposedly was incredibly tight with Knapp.

Crazy to think about and really kind of eerie when thought about in terms of a Jets curse. Also I don’t think this is the only reason for ZW’s struggles, but it is interesting to consider.

Naw.  He should have ditched the headband sooner.  Too little too late.

[THE BARON]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Zach is Augustus Gloop?

Woody just rescued him from the Fudge Room

[Hex]

The real reason Zach hasn't panned out is because he sucks. Is it really that hard?

[ACourseinMiracles]

His vestigial tail.

[Joe W. Namath]

7 minutes ago, THE BARON said:

Woody just rescued him from the Fudge Room

Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-do

Zach really sucks and Quinnen does too

Oompa Loompa doom-pa-dee-dee

Why cant we score, a freakin td

[Beerfish]

Because I'm bad, I'm bad, shamone (bad, bad, really, really bad)
You know I'm bad, I'm bad (bad, bad)
You know it (really, really bad)
You know I'm bad, I'm bad (bad, bad)
Shamone, you know (really, really bad)
And the whole world has to answer right now
Just to tell you once again
Who's bad?

[bitonti]

25 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Zach is Augustus Gloop?

He's Mike teevee all the way 

[wediditjoe]

Hahaha no one is capable of having a normal conversation when it comes to Zach.

Obviously he sucks, that wasn’t the question. The question was why does he suck and the original question was what makes anyone think the Jets are capable of developing any QB, not just Zach. There’s no doubt Zach would be decent if the 9ers drafted him that year.

[bitonti]

41 minutes ago, wediditjoe said:

Hahaha no one is capable of having a normal conversation when it comes to Zach.

Obviously he sucks, that wasn’t the question. The question was why does he suck and the original question was what makes anyone think the Jets are capable of developing any QB, not just Zach. There’s no doubt Zach would be decent if the 9ers drafted him that year.

The niners literally drafted a qb that year trey Lance that they couldn't develop 

They did 3 things the Jets couldn't... Draft another one for competition, admit they made a bad pick, and move on 

They did not pass on Purdy to protect trey 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

It's never Zachs fault 

It's always someone else's fault 

 

[Warfish]

36 minutes ago, wediditjoe said:

The question was why does he suck

Because he was an extremely flawed prospect, with poor height, extremely poor field vision and decision making and intuition, is a single-read, limited football-intelligence passer, who played an extremely weak college level of competition, and was and is not a terribly accurate thrower of the football.  Apart from sheer arm strength (which he has plenty) and some degree of mobility (which he clearly has but uses quite poorly), and the whole "off platform gunslinger" B.S., he was and is missing almost all the talents of a true franchise QB.  "Developing" Zach would have taken several years of watching, learning, not starting, and (crucially) Zach being able to take on that development, which ultimately I do not believe he was capable of doing.

End of the day, he was simply a poor pick.  A GM fell in love with an arm, not a QB.  

36 minutes ago, wediditjoe said:

There’s no doubt Zach would be decent if the 9ers drafted him that year.

I beg to differ, there is an sizeable amount of doubt that Zach would be decent regardless of who drafted him.

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 hour ago, wediditjoe said:

After the 2021 draft I came to this here board with a question, which in reality was more of a concern. The question was: what makes anyone think the Jets will be able to properly develop another QB prospect? After countless draft picks and a carousel of coaches over 10+ years what is different about Saleh etc that will be able to make ZW successful?

The most consistent answer by a large margin at the time was the hiring of Gregg Knapp. A super valid answer in my opinion. We all know what happened after that (RIP). It’s not really ever talked about either. I really wonder how things would’ve turned out. Knapp was the only veteran coach they had and he was supposed to be a QB whisperer. ZW then got left with 2 rookie coaches and he supposedly was incredibly tight with Knapp.

Crazy to think about and really kind of eerie when thought about in terms of a Jets curse. Also I don’t think this is the only reason for ZW’s struggles, but it is interesting to consider.

Also he was going to have talented players around him as well. I wish Zach was good.

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

32 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The niners literally drafted a qb that year trey Lance that they couldn't develop 

They did 3 things the Jets couldn't... Draft another one for competition, admit they made a bad pick, and move on 

They did not pass on Purdy to protect trey 

This is what smart franchises do

but this clown show just keeps trotting out the worst qb in the nfl every week and tell us he’s doing great. 

[bitonti]

13 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

This is what smart franchises do

but this clown show just keeps trotting out the worst qb in the nfl every week and tell us he’s doing great. 

Gaslighting was invented by the researchers at Johnson and Johnson back in the 50s 

Like how they tell everybody not to put Q tips in their ears 

[jeremy2020]

Are we sure it's not because they ran out of t-shirts?

[David Harris]

Knapp was a big deal.

But it was probably more being overdrafted in a COVID restricted year. Weirdly, he’s actually better than Lance and Fields. 

[Smashmouth]

 i wont pile on 

[bitonti]

2 hours ago, David Harris said:

Knapp was a big deal.

But it was probably more being overdrafted in a COVID restricted year. Weirdly, he’s actually better than Lance and Fields. 

He's not better than fields 

That dude ran for 1000 yards last year 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

QB's affected by the tragic passing of Greg Knapp:

Zach Wilson

QB's NOT affected by the tragic passing of Greg Knapp:

Joe Flacco

Mike White

Josh Johnson

[Jetluv58]

6 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

At some point you have to come to terms with what you have. There is enough talent on the team for a QB to be successful if they can pass the ball and read a defense. Zach has shown to be lacking in both areas. I don't  think even Andy Reid can get Zach to look like an NFL QB. Watching Zach during pregame warm ups told me a lot as I look back on it now. He looked like he didn't  have a care in the world, smiling while doing stretching and agility drills. This was literally minutes before the game. Where is the intensity,  where is the game face. This is not how a guy who has  not thrown a TD in his last few games should look. 

Agree with the first part, the warm-up assessment game face part is iffier. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

Zach’s failure is for one reason: lack of processing speed.

 

IF the game ever slows down for him, he will be very successful.  
 

Unfortunately it’s looking unlikely that’s going to happen as a Jet.

[Dunnie]

At some point you have to come to terms with what you have. There is enough talent on the team for a QB to be successful if they can pass the ball and read a defense. Zach has shown to be lacking in both areas. I don't  think even Andy Reid can get Zach to look like an NFL QB. Watching Zach during pregame warm ups told me a lot as I look back on it now. He looked like he didn't  have a care in the world, smiling while doing stretching and agility drills. This was literally minutes before the game. Where is the intensity,  where is the game face. This is not how a guy who has  not thrown a TD in his last few games should look. 

This is an excellent observation... And one of the most annoying things about this entire fiasco.

Imagine being a complete failure at your job for a few months and then show up to work as Mr HappyGoLucky .... I'd be serious as **** trying to stay ultra focused.

Zach has more money than all of us combined .. wtf do we know ... Totally depressed now .. thanks bell.



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[K_O_Brien]

It's a couple of things. 

Yes, the Jets can not develop QBs. Partly, this is down to coaching. The Jets seem averse to appointing anything other than meat-headed, risk averse defensive head coaches. It's like we are still stuck in the 1970s. The one time we did appoint an offensive guy, was Adam Gaze who was a borderline sociopath. 

The other issue is we struggle at evaluating rookie QBs in the first place. The guys we do take generally fail elsewhere after their initial stint with the Jets. 

So we don't know what we are looking at before we draft a QB and we don't know what to do with them, when we do. 

We now have to wait at least another 14 months before we clean house, and try again. 

 

 

[Rich Thornburgh]

7 hours ago, bitonti said:

It's never Zachs fault 

It's always someone else's fault 

Poor Zach Wilson who got everything he ever wanted in life and never earned any of it 

He's like a side character in Charlie and the chocolate factory. One of the kids that falls in the river or something 

It can’t just be that Zach was an insanely overrated prospect 

[Dunnie]

2 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

It can’t just be that Zach was an insanely overrated prospect 

It's certainly very possible...even likely... Unfortunately we will never know

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Edited November 9, 2023 by Dunnie

[Rich Thornburgh]

1 minute ago, Dunnie said:

It's certainly very possible... Unfortunately we will never know

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Yeah it’s not like the last 3 years happened 

[Dunnie]

Yeah it’s not like the last 3 years happened 

Oh .. they definitely happened... It's just this fing team has so many failures at so many levels... Hard to know exactly why it didn't work ... What the Offensive side of the ball is doing now is a disgrace..

I think its a combination of many things and a QB that doesn't have any idea how to lead.

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[Rich Thornburgh]

2 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

Oh .. they definitely happened... It's just this fing team has so many failures at so many levels... Hard to know exactly why it didn't work ... What the Offensive side of the ball is doing now is a disgrace..

I think its a combination of many things and a QB that doesn't have any idea how to lead.

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Just like how we will never know about Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell

[Dunnie]

Just like how we will never know about Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell

I don't think it's the same thing at all in the Chargers case ... Raiders ... That's as dysfunctional as the Jets. Whatever the case ... I don't see any light .. even if Zach gets banished.

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[Creepy Lurker]

6 hours ago, bitonti said:

 

They did not pass on Purdy to protect trey 

7th round literal last pick in the draft. I don’t care what your QB situation is, you take a QB late regardless just for a pipeline, backup and trade bait. The Jets, whose desperately needed a QB, are too smart for this. I refuse to give JD slack and blame Woody. JD is responsible for the roster. He’s done a miserable job on offense, the area that was supposed to be his focus. This is the worst Jets offense of the last 12 year period of inept offense.