Enough of your gross optimism. What’s the thing that you know in your heart is going to ruin the Jets this year?

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Definitely not his regular thing, but he definitely did it on occasion, which was my point 

 

6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

My point is it’s not indicative of being able to coach or agreeing with I’ve never seen a HC without a play sheet in front of him as was stated.  
 

End of the day, Saleh has delivered with his side of the ball—the defense is better than it has any right to be. Unfortunately, he seems to be helpless on the offensive side of the ball, which is where all the team’s problems are and where he hasn’t fixed a thing

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

End of the day, Saleh has delivered with his side of the ball—the defense is better than it has any right to be. Unfortunately, he seems to be helpless on the offensive side of the ball, which is where all the team’s problems are and where he hasn’t fixed a thing

He can’t fix it, knows nothing about offense, and the solution was to bring in rodgers and a faux OC and have rodgers run the offense.  That would have covered up to a good extent how incompetent the rest of the offensive coaches are.  And not, fittingly, they’re all dependent on Rodgers’ health to save their jobs.  

[Jet Nut]

Just now, T0mShane said:

 

End of the day, Saleh has delivered with his side of the ball—the defense is better than it has any right to be. Unfortunately, he seems to be helpless on the offensive side of the ball, which is where all the team’s problems are and where he hasn’t fixed a thing

Offense sucking might be because of ZW being his QB each of his three seasons and the horrific number of injuries to the OL.  Or his first season coaching a gutted team.  No one was getting those groups to perform.  No one was fixing the offense by making moves.  The only move that had a chance was Mike White but he couldn’t stand upright and avoid injury.  

[slimjasi]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

He can’t fix it, knows nothing about offense, and the solution was to bring in rodgers and a faux OC and have rodgers run the offense.  That would have covered up to a good extent how incompetent the rest of the offensive coaches are.  And not, fittingly, they’re all dependent on Rodgers’ health to save their jobs.  

Bingo 

I’d add that they are dependent on Rodgers being healthy AND not being washed up 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

Bingo 

I’d add that they are dependent on Rodgers being healthy AND not being washed up 

One question is, if rodgers is even decent and they win enough when he plays, does that do enough to absolve saleh and give him an extension?  And with jd, does that allow him to remain and pick another qb, or will this model be to take on washed up recycled qbs (hello, daniel jones?) and draft OL and weapons?

[Beerfish]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

End of the day, Saleh has delivered with his side of the ball—the defense is better than it has any right to be. Unfortunately, he seems to be helpless on the offensive side of the ball, which is where all the team’s problems are and where he hasn’t fixed a thing

Wut?

Paid Quinnen, paid JFM, paid Quincy, Kept over paid mosley , FA Lawson, FA DJ Reed, High pick Sauce, High pick Will mcdonald, High pick Jermain johnson ,FA safeties

Assistant coach of his choice.

Can we get off this oh poor woe is me defense?  This team has totally favored the defense for years.

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

He can’t fix it, knows nothing about offense, and the solution was to bring in rodgers and a faux OC and have rodgers run the offense.  That would have covered up to a good extent how incompetent the rest of the offensive coaches are.  And not, fittingly, they’re all dependent on Rodgers’ health to save their jobs.  

100% agreed. I was pro-trading for Rodgers, but the absolute fealty they’ve shown to him top to bottom has been galling. If you’re so weak that you’re letting Rodgers dictate who he wants on the roster, what his schedule is, and what the playbook and offensive structure looks like, you’re not a head coach, you are a butler.

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Offense sucking might be because of ZW being his QB each of his three seasons and the horrific number of injuries to the OL.  Or his first season coaching a gutted team.  No one was getting those groups to perform.  No one was fixing the offense by making moves.  The only move that had a chance was Mike White but he couldn’t stand upright and avoid injury.  

You know what, though? *If* it’s true that Saleh wasn’t entirely on board with drafting Zach and *if* it’s true that Saleh was aware that playing Zach was a problem early on, then you can’t give him a pass for Zach Wilson kneecapping his program for three years. It’s up to him to put his foot in the ground and demand a better alternative than Mike White or Flacco. He had his chances to save himself along the way and he demurred at every chance.

[RedBeardedSavage]

3 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Bingo 

I’d add that they are dependent on Rodgers being healthy AND not being washed up 

Seriously, I get nervous that we're going to try to throw the ball 35 times a game.

If Breece Hall has even league-average run-blocking in front of him, we don't have to depend on Rodgers to be his old self. 

It's like we've got AP in his prime, the bottom-ranked o-line, but we're worried about WR2 and TE. 

[Jet Nut]

Just now, T0mShane said:

You know what, though? *If* it’s true that Saleh wasn’t entirely on board with drafting Zach and *if* it’s true that Saleh was aware that playing Zach was a problem early on, then you can’t give him a pass for Zach Wilson kneecapping his program for three years. It’s up to him to put his foot in the ground and demand a better alternative than Mike White or Flacco. He had his chances to save himself along the way and he demurred at every chance.

He put MW on the final roster in year one and two, dumped ZW to backup in year 3 going all in on replacement with Rodgers.  Rodgers was that better alternative to the failed MW try.  He’s hardly demurred at every chance.  

[Unruly Jets Fan]

What will ruin the Jets this year is the same thing that has ruined this team since Leon Hess made the Jets the most expensive hobby in history.  And it continued when a billionaire who couldn’t run a lemonade stand, took over the franchise from Hess.  Poor ownership.  

Due to inept ownership, this organization is a house built on quick sand. Glitzy names and flashy free agent signings will not paper over those deficiencies.   Front office personnel and coaches are already leaving for other opportunities and replacements are reticent to come due to the real possibility that everyone will be swept out after this year.   Same issue with prospective free agents. Rinse and repeat every few years.  And the person responsible for hiring the people that will be fired is the one person who can’t be fired.  

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

6 hours ago, slimjasi said:

The miserable fans

#TOXIC 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

He put MW on the final roster in year one and two, dumped ZW to backup in year 3 going all in on replacement with Rodgers.  Rodgers was that better alternative to the failed MW try.  He’s hardly demurred at every chance.  

He HAPPILY and loudly repeated that same inane talking point about Zach getting a “redshirt year” this past offseason. He got what he deserved. 

[Augustiniak]

6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

100% agreed. I was pro-trading for Rodgers, but the absolute fealty they’ve shown to him top to bottom has been galling. If you’re so weak that you’re letting Rodgers dictate who he wants on the roster, what his schedule is, and what the playbook and offensive structure looks like, you’re not a head coach, you are a butler.

 

The alternative was to fire saleh and jd, and have a new regime pick a new qb.  But woody wasn’t ready for that (now he’s nearing the end of his gestation cycle so we’re much closer as of today).  That said, as has been written here so much, most coaches are at the mercy of their qbs anyway, so saleh never had a chance.  All he ever wanted (like herm, Rex and bowles) was a good d and a game manager (like Pennington pre surgeries) to look competent, keep games close and presumably coach field position and clock ( with the help of our old friend Dick Curl).  But while herm, mangini and to a lesser extent, Rex had this, saleh had the worst qb and worse had to coddle him the whole time.  So it’s really been a perfect storm, a head coach with no knowledge or inclination for offense, saddled with a strong armed kid with no qb instincts or leadership ability.  

And this is where we are.  They threw a Hail Mary and rodgers can still get them to the playoffs but so what if they do.  This precarious construct is based on defensive minded coaches and having a qb who can run an offense by himself.  What happens when rodgers is done?  Who are they getting next to hide the offensive ineptness that is completely exposed w/o ZW to absorb the bullets?

[slimjasi]

22 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

One question is, if rodgers is even decent and they win enough when he plays, does that do enough to absolve saleh and give him an extension?  And with jd, does that allow him to remain and pick another qb, or will this model be to take on washed up recycled qbs (hello, daniel jones?) and draft OL and weapons?

I would think it would be hard to not extend a coach/GM combo that ended a 14 year playoff drought, but we’ll have to see how it goes 

[T0mShane]

20 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Wut?

Paid Quinnen, paid JFM, paid Quincy, Kept over paid mosley , FA Lawson, FA DJ Reed, High pick Sauce, High pick Will mcdonald, High pick Jermain johnson ,FA safeties

Assistant coach of his choice.

Can we get off this oh poor woe is me defense?  This team has totally favored the defense for years.

Past two years they’ve spent more on offense than defense. First draft under Saleh was Zach and AVT. Next draft was Garrett Wilson, Sauce, Johnson, Breece. It’s been very 50/50 between offense and defense.

[Jet Nut]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

He HAPPILY and loudly repeated that same inane talking point about Zach getting a “redshirt year” this past offseason. He got what he deserved. 

When they replaced ZW with Rodgers?  When they immediately went to SB contenders after almost 2 seasons of ZW?  More than likely shutting down all this talk if Rodgers survived week one and had his normal season?  
But he deserved this somehow?

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

When they replaced ZW with Rodgers?  When they immediately went to SB contenders after almost 2 seasons of ZW?  More than likely shutting down all this talk if Rodgers survived week one and had his normal season?  
But he deserved this somehow?

If—as the entire sporting world was well aware—he thought Zach was inviable and he left himself in a position where Zach was his only alternative behind a 40 year old Aaron Rodgers, then yes, he got what he deserved. If your backup parachute is an anvil, nobody should feel sorry for you when you end up a pool of bloody paste on the ground

[derp]

39 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

End of the day, Saleh has delivered with his side of the ball—the defense is better than it has any right to be. Unfortunately, he seems to be helpless on the offensive side of the ball, which is where all the team’s problems are and where he hasn’t fixed a thing

Yeah, I think this is what I was coming back for. There are a whole lot of potential reasons so I don’t know which one to choose - but I cannot picture the offense consistently scoring points. The team’s struggles have consistently come there and given all the work that needs to be done I don’t see any reason that’ll change.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Jdeet said:

Not really sure what’s going to ruin the Jets, but it’s obvious @T0mShane @Matt39 and @Jetsfan80 will ruin this forum. If they haven’t already. Your posts are trash. You need a new lead. How about another team to root for ? Just a thought. 

You are what makes Jets fans a laughing stock. Your sky is falling mentality is regurgitated over and over again. And somehow you are celebrated here as some kind of royalty. 🤮 

 

[Jet Nut]

17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If—as the entire sporting world was well aware—he thought Zach was inviable and he left himself in a position where Zach was his only alternative behind a 40 year old Aaron Rodgers, then yes, he got what he deserved. If your backup parachute is an anvil, nobody should feel sorry for you when you end up a pool of bloody paste on the ground

HCs play who’s available on their roster.  They obviously took a huge chance that Rodgers would be Rodgers and not miss the entire season coming up lost after 4 plays.  But who here is feeling sorry for them making that ultimate gaff?  Not me, they FU’d and paid the price for not protecting the plan of ZWs redshirt season.  Wasn’t the OL coach’s fault or some other nonsense all the way down the list of complaints.  It was not having a real backup QB in place

[PS17]

1 hour ago, Jdeet said:

Not really sure what’s going to ruin the Jets, but it’s obvious @T0mShane @Matt39 and @Jetsfan80 will ruin this forum. If they haven’t already. Your posts are trash. You need a new lead. How about another team to root for ? Just a thought. 

You are what makes Jets fans a laughing stock. Your sky is falling mentality is regurgitated over and over again. And somehow you are celebrated here as some kind of royalty. 🤮 

 

 

[PS17]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

 

End of the day, Saleh has delivered with his side of the ball—the defense is better than it has any right to be. Unfortunately, he seems to be helpless on the offensive side of the ball, which is where all the team’s problems are and where he hasn’t fixed a thing

Hiring a defensive head coach in this era sets you back before you even play a snap. 90% of these D guys don’t know a lick about offense, the part of the game that actually matters, and if they happen to have a good offensive coordinator he gets poached as a HC within a year or two and you have to start over. 

[PS17]

58 minutes ago, Unruly Jets Fan said:

What will ruin the Jets this year is the same thing that has ruined this team since Leon Hess made the Jets the most expensive hobby in history.  And it continued when a billionaire who couldn’t run a lemonade stand, took over the franchise from Hess.  Poor ownership.  

Due to inept ownership, this organization is a house built on quick sand. Glitzy names and flashy free agent signings will not paper over those deficiencies.   Front office personnel and coaches are already leaving for other opportunities and replacements are reticent to come due to the real possibility that everyone will be swept out after this year.   Same issue with prospective free agents. Rinse and repeat every few years.  And the person responsible for hiring the people that will be fired is the one person who can’t be fired.  

This is the answer. There’s no singular thing that will derail the Jets. It’s the same incompetent ownership it’s always been which rots every aspect of the organization from the top down. It’s really, really bleak. 

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Seriously, I get nervous that we're going to try to throw the ball 35 times a game.

If Breece Hall has even league-average run-blocking in front of him, we don't have to depend on Rodgers to be his old self. 

It's like we've got AP in his prime, the bottom-ranked o-line, but we're worried about WR2 and TE. 

Yea, we just need him to be above average 

[Beerfish]

57 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Past two years they’ve spent more on offense than defense. First draft under Saleh was Zach and AVT. Next draft was Garrett Wilson, Sauce, Johnson, Breece. It’s been very 50/50 between offense and defense.

The offense started with nothing at all.

Mosley is almost the highest paid ilb in the leuage

Quinnen top 3 in the leauge for a DT.

JFM paid a premium for what he brings.

Drafted sauce 4, mcdonald, and jj 1st rounders.

Our big gets last year on offense were allan freakin lazard, duane brown and randall cobb

The defense if anything should be better than it is.  It is good but no so good it cannot o er come poor O play, like real dominant Ds can

This year almost zero resources should be spent on the defense.

 

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

The offense started with nothing at all.

Mosley is almost the highest paid ilb in the leuage

Quinnen top 3 in the leauge for a DT.

JFM paid a premium for what he brings.

Drafted sauce 4, mcdonald, and jj 1st rounders.

Our big gets last year on offense were allan freakin lazard, duane brown and randall cobb

The defense if anything should be better than it is.  It is good but no so good it cannot o er come poor O play, like real dominant Ds can

This year almost zero resources should be spent on the defense.

 

We all know this but the offense is bad b/c of wilson and rodgers getting hurt.  Throw in all the OL injuries.  Douglas has 1 offseason to show he’s learned from his mistakes. 

[sourceworx]

8 hours ago, Pac said:

They won 7 games with the worst QB in the league,  an O line absolutely decimated by injuries, and the anti christ for an OL coach. 

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is one of those times.

[doitny]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Wut?

Paid Quinnen, paid JFM, paid Quincy, Kept over paid mosley , FA Lawson, FA DJ Reed, High pick Sauce, High pick Will mcdonald, High pick Jermain johnson ,FA safeties

Assistant coach of his choice.

Can we get off this oh poor woe is me defense?  This team has totally favored the defense for years.

 

1st rd- 4-7 picks on offense 57%

2nd rd- 4-4 picks on offense 100%

3rd rd- 1-3 picks on offense 33%

4th rd- 6-7 picks of the offense. 85%

first 2 rds- 8-11 picks on the offense 72%

first 4 rds- 15-21 picks on the offense 71%

FA- Uzamah, Conklin, Cook, Laken, Brown, Lazzard, Davis, Rodgers.....

they favored offense more than defense.

[SickJetFan]

My fear is they with draft a rookie to protect AR blind side instead of listening TO ME and trading up for an elite WR to pair with GW and get a veteran LT in FA

[doitny]

3 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This is one of those times.

and won 7 the year before.

that clock isnt as broken as you think

[FidelioJet]

RodBobglous 

 

[bicketybam]

Lol this is the type of thread Jetnation craves!!

I'd love to find a Dolphins board or a Bills board that hates their team as much as the fans hate the Jets on this forum. I would spend countless hours soaking up their misery. It would be awesome. I'm jealous they get that kind of joy by reading this forum. Lucky bastards. You won't a single Pats, Bills or Dolphins fan that doesn't hate the Jets and I'm sure they just eat this sh*t up.

[bicketybam]

This is always the tell—whenever a dude gets upset about somebody else getting “likes” and whatnot, you know you’re dealing with a truly broken soul. Brother, this is the internet. Go adopt a cat. 

And honestly, how hard is it to get likes of a forum? Just go with the crowd, even if it's a complete flip of a previous position. No one cares. As long as you are regurgitating the same thing, people will love you!

[Mogglez]

[PS17]

8 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

7 hours ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

Lol this is the type of thread Jetnation craves!!

I'd love to find a Dolphins board or a Bills board that hates their team as much as the fans hate the Jets on this forum. I would spend countless hours soaking up their misery. It would be awesome. I'm jealous they get that kind of joy by reading this forum. Lucky bastards. You won't a single Pats, Bills or Dolphins fan that doesn't hate the Jets and I'm sure they just eat this sh*t up.

Please tell me why this team should be exempt from hatred after one of the worst 13 year stretches (and counting) in pro sports history.