State of the jets

[TuscanyTile2]

27 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

State of the jets:

Personnel: on paper as good as any team the jets have ever put on the field.

Front Office: After a terrible offseason in 2023, JD has done a great in 2024. I’ve had issues with some of his past decisions, but he does seem to learn from his mistakes. For example, he didn’t draft a big mauling OT highest ceiling OT round 1. Instead he took the surest bet who has done the best on the field (the triston wirfs lesson). And he took a large school, longtime starter developmental QB who has a shot at being a decent starting QB and a better shot at being a ling term #2. The bottom line is that despite past mistakes, JD looks like he gets it. We paid the price for his on the job learning. Hopefully now we can reap the benefits of his lessons.

Coaching -  D coaches snd ST coaches are quality. The offensive staff especially OC and O line coach are garbage, and a case could be made that along with the QB coach, those are 3 of the most important position coaches. I suspect that JD will listen if Tyron Smith has complaints about his position coach. Hopefully AR8 will overcome Havkett’s limitations as a play caller. HC? What can I say? Other than pithy slogans, he has yet to show he has the tools to succeed as a HC. Unless he spent the offseason doing a deep dive on the offensive side of the football and game management theory, any success the 2024 Jets have will be despite him, not because of him.

As the great Meatloaf once proclaimed, 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

Very good post.  I'm probably not as high on Ulbrich as many on here but even I think he's pretty solid.  Hackett is awful but AR8 can overrule him so we should be okay as long as he's healthy.  I really dislike Saleh (I think he sees himself as a DC, not a HC) and kind of hope he gets replaced (give me Vrabel) even if the team has success.  But I have no choice but to give him another shot this year.  I don't think he'll hold us back from going to the playoffs (if we stay healthy) but I would definitely have concerns about him in a playoff game.  It feels like we'd be at a disadvantage.

[jamesr]

They’re wisely going to try and replicate the Derrick Henry Titans with Rodgers in the Ryan Tannehill role, but that’s going to require Rodgers letting that happen on his watch. They’re built to maul on offense and play defense, which has some obvious upside. That said, it’s probably too ambitious to think you can staple an offense like this together and make a run over the course of one season. If things go perfectly, they could muddle their way to a playoff run. Most likely outcome is a 9-8, 10-7 record with Saleh and Rodgers walking away at the end. Question is if Woody has the guts to whack Douglas. 

I feel the one difference is, in a game where the Derrick Henry Titans approach doesn't work out, and we have to air it out in the 4th quarter, we are far better placed to do so. Rodgers can (hopefully) bring those 4th quarter heroics and save the day, unlike Tannehill.

Think of it as an insurance policy, or a Plan B.

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[southparkcpa]

11 hours ago, Warfish said:

Same ol’ Jets Fans. Off-season hype Champions every year, lol.

I have no room in my trophy case for the off season victories.    

[FidelioJet]

10 hours ago, Dcronin said:

I think the LB group will be our Achilles. Gonna be hard to get off the field


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I think the QB Achilles will be our Achilles.

Tough to expect a 41 year old body to deal with that injury well.

[The Crusher]

11 hours ago, Warfish said:

Same ol’ Jets Fans. Off-season hype Champions every year, lol.

The “on paper Tigers!” 

[Warfish]

10 hours ago, Maxman said:

I think there might be a forum I don't have access to. Because I spend my time getting hammered about how negative this site is. I am not sure I can remember anyone ever saying the Jets are the best team in football.

Maybe the access point to that forum is hidden in your "If the Jets win the Super Bowl..." thread? 

[Scott Dierking]

12 hours ago, TBJ said:

What is New Jersey

Exactly. See his question is very fair. Everyone refers them as the "New York" Jets, yet they play in New Jersey. No wonder this team has sought an identity for decades. Excellent question. 

[Scott Dierking]

12 hours ago, Warfish said:

Neither bitching nor moaning. 

The word you're looking for is "mocking".  

Because so many of you do this every offseason, like clockwork. It's hard to take most of you seriously tbqh.

We're always "the best" this time every year.

And every year you folks turn our disastrously wrong in your predictions of success.

So forgive me (or not), if I'm just not buying the plane tickets to the Super Bowl just yet, or declaring us clearly better than the Chief right now, lol.

Yeah, "you guys". Just quit doing that. It is irritating other posters. And "you folks" are no better. 

For shame with your opinions and pollyannish attitudes. 

[ppls17]

Some of you make me laugh. If we lose half our team to injuries we are screwed. Well yeah so is every team in the league. I get it the last few years have been heavier than normal in injuries at a time we were building depth made it even worse.

Same people who complain about injuries complain about two rbs drafted (not all in this discussion). Some of the players drafted late may be for special teams.

Aaron Rodgers does not get injured often in his career. Yes he’s coming off a season killer. He’s old but so was Brady and Rodgers appears to be healing/healed well.

We win 11 games minimum this year.


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[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Braelon Allen is 235

Isaiah Davis is 220

Idea must be to gain a lead and then wear teams down in the 2nd half with big punishing runners.

One of the knocks on Allen is he doesn’t play to his size.  He’s actually been more of a finesse runner.

Either way, this can’t be good for Breece Hall’s fantasy stock.

It’s every defensive head coach’s dream to play football this way, like the Ravens and Derrick Henry Titans and now the Chargers with old school Harbaugh and Roman.

[Rob Moore]

12 hours ago, Warfish said:

Neither bitching nor moaning. 

The word you're looking for is "mocking".  

Because so many of you do this every offseason, like clockwork. It's hard to take most of you seriously tbqh.

We're always "the best" this time every year.

And every year you folks turn our disastrously wrong in your predictions of success.

So forgive me (or not), if I'm just not buying the plane tickets to the Super Bowl just yet, or declaring us clearly better than the Chief right now, lol.

This is a common practice amongst fans of sports teams especially occurring at this time of the year following free agency and the draft in which said fans become excited and hopeful about their team….those fans join together with other fans and begin to….wait for it….have fun and enjoy themselves talking about the potential of their improved teams.  
 

There are 32 fanbases doing this exact thing right now, it’s ok….fun is allowed when it comes to sports.

You don’t need to be a wet blanket about absolutely everything. 

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, Rob Moore said:

This is a common practice amongst fans of sports teams especially occurring at this time of the year following free agency and the draft in which said fans become excited and hopeful about their team….those fans join together with other fans and begin to….wait for it….have fun and enjoy themselves talking about the potential of their improved teams.  
 

There are 32 fanbases doing this exact thing right now, it’s ok….fun is allowed when it comes to sports.

You don’t need to be a wet blanket about absolutely everything. 

Freaking homers is what they are. Ridiculous. If I want to feel good about something, I will visit Santa at the mall. These people make me sick with their positivity and always looking on the bright side. What the hell is wrong with these people? They have absolutely no idea how to fan.

[Lupz27]

13 hours ago, Maxman said:

It is such a weird situation. Great defense and that starts with the staff.

But the team has lost so many games down the stretch the staff has question marks all over it. The burden of proof is on the head coach.

And the offensive coordinator has to be one of the worst in the league. But with Rodgers running the show, they are fine. Weird situation, In Aaron we trust.

I think Ulbrich is going to get a HC job and prove to be 10x the Head coach Saleh is and ever will be.

Saleh is a positive vibes guy pump up the crowd but doesn’t seem to know how to manage a football game or a team as a whole.

[Bobby816]

I like where we’re at for sure. No weakness in this team on paper. Like any team if we get injuries in areas. Expectations change. But that’s true for all 31 other teams.

 

S and TE are the only rooms I think aren’t “great”

[PepPep]

3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

RB: Breece is great.  Not sure what we have behind him though.  I assume the CS is down on Izzy because we drafted 2 RBs.  Allen seems like a short yardage back, which serves a purpose.  Not sure what we've got in the other guy (Isaiah Davis?)   I think overall we're probably thinner than we should be at this position.

WR: GW is great.  Hopefully MW is healthy.  If he is, that's a strong duo.  Corley seems like he'll be productive if used correctly.  Not sure we can count on the rest for much.  This group is top heavy and definitely has question marks

As many have said, coaching probably the biggest question mark. 

But the RB depth is now quite good. I know they are rookies but Allen and Davis are big backs with burst, speed, athleticism and a track record of production. They are not just short yardage backs. These guys will def. take the load off of Breece and step in to churn out yards if Breece goes down. Allen is also a + blocker and can catch the ball out of the backfield. 

The WR group is solid. You have 2 guys you know you can rely on. And a rookie you 100% plan to get involved asap, who you traded up and have a specific plan for. Thats the top 3. Then working your way backwards, you have Charles, who is a great gunner and quality special teamer. You need those guys on your team so I think you put him on as that 6th WR. Then you have Gibson as a return specialist and slot backup behind Corley. Thats #5. Then you have Lazard as the wild card. Really underperformed last year, Jets tried moving him but could not. Good chance he ends up bouncing back with Rodgers throwing him the ball and being that #4 guy. Not the best receiving group by far but seems like each player has a role. I think they need a deep threat. Would rather have that than Lazard.  

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, PepPep said:

But the RB depth is now quite good. I know they are rookies but Allen and Davis are big backs with burst, speed, athleticism and a track record of production. They are not just short yardage backs. These guys will def. take the load off of Breece and step in to churn out yards if Breece goes down. Allen is also a + blocker and can catch the ball out of the backfield. 

Good post!  I'd be very pleasantly surprised if Allen is more than a short yardage back.  I assumed he was a specialization guy else why would they have also drafted Davis?   Do you have any thoughts on Izzy, btw?  Do you think he's likely on the way out?

[Jets and Redskins]

On paper Jets look great. Alot, better then last year. Oline may be strongest part of team. All of this is on paper. Season must play out.

[T0mShane]

I like the phrasing here, as if the Dead Money was like mold growing behind the drywall that nobody could have possibly known about and not the result of Joe Douglas repeatedly ******* up and having to hide the bodies in the crawl space. 

 

[Lupz27]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I think the QB Achilles will be our Achilles.

Tough to expect a 41 year old body to deal with that injury well.

Shrooms are a hell of a drug.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I like the phrasing here, as if the Dead Money was like mold growing behind the drywall that nobody could have possibly known about and not the result of Joe Douglas repeatedly ******* up and having to hide the bodies in the crawl space. 

 

Would have made more sense to ask JFM to take a 3M pay cut or something like that and keep him.

They’re only saving what 6M after the trade?

This is what happens when you bank on guys “developing” and it never happens.

After he got the bag, it felt like 10 weeks before he got his next sack.

[T0mShane]

Just now, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

Would have made more sense to ask JFM to take a 3M pay cut or something like that and keep him.

They’re only saving what 6M after the trade?

This is what happens when you bank on guys “developing” and it never happens.

After he got the bag, it felt like 10 weeks before he got his next sack.

JFM and Tomlinson are the result of throwing premium dollars at players whose former teams were happy to move on from. Prototype Bad Team behavior. 

[T0mShane]

Malik Washington is like what if Braxton Berrios was an NFL-caliber player

 

[Scott Dierking]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

I think the QB Achilles will be our Achilles.

Tough to expect a 41 year old body to deal with that injury well.

Re-rupture of the same achilles is very rare. 2-5% reoccurrence from what I read. Now, if you want to say that some other body part on a 41 year old will be threatened, I can buy that, But it is what we have now. 

[nj meadowlands]

I’m not falling for it again.

[FootballLove]

Oline injuries derailed the last year of the Sam Darnold era.

Zack Wilson derailed the first two years of the Zack Wilson era.

QB injuries derailed the first year of the Aaron Rodgers era.

Jets are DUE.

Lets raise a glass to no injuries, no Zack Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers returning to SB MVP form! here here

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

I think Ulbrich is going to get a HC job and prove to be 10x the Head coach Saleh is and ever will be.

Saleh is a positive vibes guy pump up the crowd but doesn’t seem to know how to manage a football game or a team as a whole.

I am not sure about that. Ulbrich could have problems with all the other stuff that comes along with being a head coach.

Does he have the patience for all the nonsense off the field?

[PepPep]

48 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Good post!  I'd be very pleasantly surprised if Allen is more than a short yardage back.  I assumed he was a specialization guy else why would they have also drafted Davis?   Do you have any thoughts on Izzy, btw?  Do you think he's likely on the way out?

100% think izzy will get one chance to compete here and if he doesn't blow it out of the water they'll either stash him on PS or let him go. I know Bam was UDFA, but they had no qualms about moving on from him after he couldn't consistently produce or pass protect.

And I mean, its very early. The Jets dont have to make a decision for a while. And one of these three guys could get hurt. But yeah, with Izzy being relegated to the bench as often as he was last season, and now these two picks. You gotta think the Jets don't have much confidence in him going forward. Should be fun to watch the competition unfold. 

[jamesr]

Last year we had 4 players in the RB room if you include FB Nick Bawden.

If they like the two rookies and want to keep Izzy that is perfectly doable, if one of the two rookies can do what Bawden did. Which wasn't a great deal, all things considered.

[Joe W. Namath]

52 minutes ago, jamesr said:

Last year we had 4 players in the RB room if you include FB Nick Bawden.

If they like the two rookies and want to keep Izzy that is perfectly doable, if one of the two rookies can do what Bawden did. Which wasn't a great deal, all things considered.

Do not be reasonable.  This cleary means they hate izzy and hes being cut any day now.

 

[32EBoozer]

20 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Joe Douglas has put on a master class.  This is one of the most talented rosters in all of football.

I am concerned that we have A LOT of 1 year contracts in #1 RT Moses, LT Smith, #2 Wr Williams, #1 Qb who is quirky & could retire at anytime & still be paid for 3 years, 2/3 of our Safeties on 1 year deals.

We will be in panic mode again rebuilding or renegotiating contracts because we haven’t drafted particularly well in 4 of 6 drafts.

 

[dbatesman]

8 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I like the phrasing here, as if the Dead Money was like mold growing behind the drywall that nobody could have possibly known about and not the result of Joe Douglas repeatedly ******* up and having to hide the bodies in the crawl space. 

 

Cimini is funny in that he’s usually snarky to a fault, but then sometimes goes into this weird passive voice I’ve come to think of as JN Tense: acknowledging that the Jets have major problems, but treating those problems as something that happened to the team, like a natural disaster, as opposed to being anyone’s fault.