Hassan Reddick Holding Out, Requests Trade

[slimjasi]

22 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

This is interesting - granted it’s always dangerous to read into things like this - but this wasn’t the ol’ “he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do for his family” line that most players say. 

Wonder if Reddick pissed off some in the locker room with this. 

Normally I’d side with players getting paid, and I’d expect other players do the same, but this situation appears different - and maybe the locker room agrees. 

I have no problem with Reddick holding out, in principle. 

However, it does sound like he told people in that building that he would be there when he showed up for the press conference and then changed his mind after the fact. 

[ARodJetsFan]

27 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

This is the best argument I've seen to not getting this guy in camp.  Frankly, IMO, it's the only reason that makes any sense.

Quote

-The Jets are steadfast in their stance: They will not cater to a player who has not yet played for them. Cornerbacks D.J. Reed and Michael Carter, two well-respected leaders within the locker room, want new contracts. Neither is holding out. The Jets realize the message it would send to the rest of the locker room if they extend Reddick, but not them. So they won’t do it. They’ve made this very clear.

Reference what @Scott Dierking said above, it's not an "argument".

It's a statement of facts & 100% spot-on.

And I know you're agreeing with him @FidelioJet so please don't take this the wrong way.

[bicketybam]

Just now, slimjasi said:

I have no problem with Reddick holding out, in principle. 

However, it does sound like he told people in that building that he would be there when he showed up for the press conference and then changed his mind after the fact. 

Agree.

I have a hard time believing that he told Douglas there was no way he was showing up to camp and the preseason without a new contract and Douglas traded for him anyway. At the very worst I could see Reddick telling JD that he won't play the upcoming season on his existing contract and JD replying that as long as he shows up to camp he will get a reworked deal. Reddick agree and then reneges on that verbal commitment. At that point JD feels betrayed and digs in.

[RedBeardedSavage]

7 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I have no problem with Reddick holding out, in principle. 

However, it does sound like he told people in that building that he would be there when he showed up for the press conference and then changed his mind after the fact. 

Agree - that Mosely quote appears to reinforce the “went back on his word” narrative. 

Don’t know for sure, it’s always difficult trying to read these things.

[Doggin94it]

1 hour ago, ARodJetsFan said:

Are you really that uptight?

Take a breath & laugh....you'll feel better.

If I offended your morals somehow, hey my bad - but I think it's funny as hell.

Waiting for the thumbsdown from @The Voice of Reason & @JiFtheOracle  who track all of my posts like little stalkers.....😆😆😆

Those 2 "basement buddies" never disappoint.

"Women should shut up and show me their t!ts" isn't funny, it's just deeply vile

[ARodJetsFan]

2 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Agree - that Mosely quote appears to reinforce the “went back on his word” narrative. 

Don’t know for sure, it’s always difficult trying to read these things.

I think Mosely answered that question as well as he could have.

Kudos to him.

[FidelioJet]

7 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Agree.

I have a hard time believing that he told Douglas there was no way he was showing up to camp and the preseason without a new contract and Douglas traded for him anyway. At the very worst I could see Reddick telling JD that he won't play the upcoming season on his existing contract and JD replying that as long as he shows up to camp he will get a reworked deal. Reddick agree and then reneges on that verbal commitment. At that point JD feels betrayed and digs in.

I'm just not sure.  JD has done some strange things.

But even if what you're saying is what happened.  You would like to think they had an estimation of what it would take in a reworked deal.

Showing up or not - if they were close, a deal would have gotten done. 

[bicketybam]

13 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I'm just not sure.  JD has done some strange things.

But even if what you're saying is what happened.  You would like to think they had an estimation of what it would take in a reworked deal.

Showing up or not - if they were close, a deal would have gotten done. 

I'm going to bet that there is no way JD makes that deal if Reddick told him there was no way he would show up in camp and then negotiate a new one year deal. However I will agree that he's done some strange things like not having a viable backup for Rodgers last year.

I don't think JD ever promised or intended to give Reddick a multi year extension. Chances are he didn't have permission from Woody to do that and if he did it wasn't at an AAV that Reddick would most likely accept. I think the promise that JD made was that he would guarantee his 2024 salary while bumping it a bit while affording Reddick to play in a system that would allow him to showcase his talent to his next team. But he needed to show up to camp for that to happen and Reddick agreed and then changed his mind. With all the future contracts JD has coming up, many of which are more important to the future success of the Jets than Reddick's, JD can't be perceived as being a guy that will cave. That's my read.

JD just giving Reddick what he wants so he gets get him into camp is a terrible idea, especially when you consider the future of the team. 

[Jet_Engine1]

I am going to paraphrase the widely available quote from Reddick himself at his presser when he arrived, "I'll let the agents and JD figure out the contract stuff... I'm here for however long and I'll be out there playing my best for the team and the fans no matter what happens, if it's a year or more. No matter what the contract stuff is. The most important thing now is being here and getting to know everyone".

 

As I said, paraphrased from his own presser a few months ago. He's a phony.

[Ghost]

2 hours ago, jgb said:

**** him, eh? Harsh words because a guy doesn’t like his job situation. 

JD bought a pig in a poke and didn’t protect himself adequately by hammering out at least a bandaid short-term extension with Reddick’s reps before the trade.

Every story doesn’t have a villain.
 

 

Not a single person knows the conversation that was had between JD and the reps of Reddick. Someone gave the other their word and did not go through with it. 
 

If I had to guess, I would say JD kept his word. 

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Ghost said:

Not a single person knows the conversation that was had between JD and the reps of Reddick. Someone gave the other their word and did not go through with it. 
 

If I had to guess, I would say JD kept his word. 

I'm also just guessing but I'll tell you something... this is a multi-billion dollar corporation... with lawyers out the ass... if someone won't sign a contract, their word ain't worth spit.

[ARodJetsFan]

2 hours ago, Ghost said:

Not a single person knows the conversation that was had between JD and the reps of Reddick. Someone gave the other their word and did not go through with it. 
 

If I had to guess, I would say JD kept his word. 

And I would agree with you.

GM's have to have a reputation, of being at least somewhat trustworthy, otherwise word travels that the GM is dishonest and doesn't honor his agreements and good luck trying to bring in quality free agents to your team, after that circulates throughout the league.

If a star player isn't trustworthy & goes back on his word after a trade, what happens?

There is no real recourse or consequences, the player moves on to another team, either by way of free-agency, or he forces his way out via a holdout & trade.

Enter Haason Reddick, who is on his 4th team in 7 seasons.

A very productive player, at a premium position - yet Reddick can't find a team that wants to keep him around long term.

You think that's a coincidence?

I don't.

[Dcat]

5 hours ago, Biggs said:

Which NFL teams have a "playoff caliber roster" where both the HC and GM contracts expire at the end of the year without being offered  extensions?

....and the plot thickens!

Well done @Biggs

[Rich Thornburgh]

So when are we trading Reddick to the rams for a 5th?

[TuscanyTile2]

 

[ARodJetsFan]

12 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

So when are we trading Reddick to the rams for a 5th?

I'd sit on him and let this P.O.S. sit out for the whole year.

F-ck this guy.

This cat deserves exactly what he's getting right now, which is nothing but a pile of fines.

Judon is in the same exact situation, he was traded to the Falcons on the last year of his deal and the Falcons are NOT offering him a new contract, so he's forced to play for the base salary on the last year of his deal which is only 6.5 million (less than half of what Reddick is slated to make) and he's not crying about it.

He's actually happy to be with the Falcons if you look at the article I just posted in the Matt Judon thead.

Matthew Judon Faces Falcons' Snub as HC Raheem Morris Breaks Silence on Trade From Patriots (msn.com)

[jgb]

8 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said:

I'd sit on him and let this P.O.S. sit out for the whole year.

F-ck this guy.

This cat deserves exactly what he's getting right now, which is nothing but a pile of fines.

Judon is in the same exact situation, he was traded to the Falcons on the last year of his deal and the Falcons are NOT offering him a new contract, so he's forced to play for the base salary on the last year of his deal which is only 6.5 million (less than half of what Reddick is slated to make) and he's not crying about it.

He's actually happy to be with the Falcons if you look at the article I just posted in the Matt Judon thead.

Everyone is a hard ass negotiator on the Internet 

[ARodJetsFan]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

Everyone is a hard ass negotiator on the Internet 

There is no negotiating with a ghost.

Let him rot.

[C Mart]

20 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

I am going to paraphrase the widely available quote from Reddick himself at his presser when he arrived, "I'll let the agents and JD figure out the contract stuff... I'm here for however long and I'll be out there playing my best for the team and the fans no matter what happens, if it's a year or more. No matter what the contract stuff is. The most important thing now is being here and getting to know everyone".

 

As I said, paraphrased from his own presser a few months ago. He's a phony.

And if this is his agent's, Tory Dandy, doing - he should report and fire him. 

[jgb]

13 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said:

There is no negotiating with a ghost.

Let him rot.

Yeah ok.

But back in the real world, it’ll be interesting to see what compromise is reached.

[C Mart]

10 minutes ago, jgb said:

Everyone is a hard ass negotiator on the Internet 

If I was Douglas, I wouldn't do a thing.  Show up, Hassan. If not, sit home all season and don't collect your $14m.  See you April '25 when OTAs start. 

As the players that have been asked about him have said, as well as Mosely's quote states, they are only concerned with who is in Florham Park. Most of them have never met / talked to him.  It is not a distraction to them or the coaches (just media and some fans).  

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, C Mart said:

If I was Douglas, I wouldn't do a thing.  Show up, Hassan. If not, sit home all season and don't collect your $14m.  See you April '25 when OTAs start. 

As the players that have been asked about him have said, as well as Mosely's quote states, they are only concerned with who is in Florham Park. Most of them have never met / talked to him.  It is not a distraction to them or the coaches (just media and some fans).  

If you were Douglas I would hope you’d never trade for a guy without hashing out at least a bandaid extension.

JD made this mess, will be interesting to see how he cleans it up.

[Dcat]

3 minutes ago, jgb said:

If you were Douglas I would hope you’d never trade for a guy without hashing out at least a bandaid extension.

JD made this mess, will be interesting to see how he cleans it up.

Yeah.  But something here is a miss.  It just doesn't make sense. 1st, I don't really think that JD is that neglectful or outright dumb.  If he made no effort to bang out a deal before going through with the trade, then, holy mother of hell, that would be an amateurish mistake. I need the facts.  We don't have them. All we can do is speculate.

[Creepy Lurker]

7 minutes ago, jgb said:

If you were Douglas I would hope you’d never trade for a guy without hashing out at least a bandaid extension.

JD made this mess, will be interesting to see how he cleans it up.

Negotiating a long term deal could be difficult but that was never an option. To not have an agreement or band aid in place first is completely unbelievable. Hopefully when there is a resolution (or not) we get an accurate timeline/detail of events. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Dcat said:

But something here is a miss.

 

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[C Mart]

19 minutes ago, jgb said:

If you were Douglas I would hope you’d never trade for a guy without hashing out at least a bandaid extension.

JD made this mess, will be interesting to see how he cleans it up.

Unless the agent reneged, which according to multiple reports is what happened. 

Funny media (and fans) aren't critical of Atlanta trading for Judon without an extension (so far). And for a '25 3rd not a '26 pick

IMO Reddick will report by week 2 when his '24 salary becomes guaranteed.  Jets can then use him as a pass rush specialist for a month until he's in 3 down playing shape.  

[Green Ghost]

All eyes on Willy Mac tonight.
25yo 1st round pick… it’s time to show up 

[jgb]

16 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Yeah.  But something here is a miss.  It just doesn't make sense. 1st, I don't really think that JD is that neglectful or outright dumb.  If he made no effort to bang out a deal before going through with the trade, then, holy mother of hell, that would be an amateurish mistake. I need the facts.  We don't have them. All we can do is speculate.

We know a trade was made without a signed deal. So JD is either neglectful or naive if he believed some “my word is stronger than oak” type speech from Haasan or his agent.

[jgb]

5 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Unless the agent reneged, which according to multiple reports is what happened. 
 

If only there was some mechanism whereby two parties could memorialize their agreed commitments to one another that then holds everyone accountable to deliver on those commitments.

5 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Funny media (and fans) aren't critical of Atlanta trading for Judon without an extension (so far). And for a '25 3rd not a '26 pick

I am critical of anyone not wearing their seatbelt even if they never get in a car accident.

5 minutes ago, C Mart said:

IMO Reddick will report by week 2 when his '24 salary becomes guaranteed.  Jets can then use him as a pass rush specialist for a month until he's in 3 down playing shape.  

Might well be a correct prediction but hope lies within the ken of fans, not GMs.

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

We know a trade was made without a signed deal. So JD is either neglectful or naive if he believed some “my word is stronger than oak” type speech from Haasan or his agent.

His "signed deal" was carried over with the trade. The contract transferred from the Eagles.

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

His "signed deal" was carried over with the trade. The contract transferred from the Eagles.

Obviously I mean a new deal.

[ARodJetsFan]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

Yeah ok.

But back in the real world, it’ll be interesting to see what compromise is reached.

Agreed - assuming that one is reached.

[ARodJetsFan]

25 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

His "signed deal" was carried over with the trade. The contract transferred from the Eagles.

No different than what happened with Matt Judon.

The Falcons didn't give him a new deal either, he's playing for them, on the final year of his deal that he signed with the Pats, for a base salary of 6.5 million.

Is Judon holding out? No, he's not.

Very similar situation with entirely different results.

The one variable?

Simple, it's the player's attitude.

One understands & accepts the TEAM concept, the other does not and believes he is above the team.

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

2 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said:

No different than what happened with Matt Judon.

The Falcons didn't give him a new deal either, he's playing for them on the final year of his deal with the Pats for a base salary of 6,5 million.

Is Judon holding out? No, he's not.

Very similar situation with entirely different results.

The one variable?

Simple, it's the player's attitude.

The Patriots have a new regime and inherited Judon. Douglas is hanging on for dear life and just traded for Reddick. But yeah the one variable is the player’s attitude. You are so mad at this guy.