New York Jets, Haason Reddick Contract Saga No Longer About Fines. Game checks are now on the line, to the tune of $852,941 for each game missed.

[rex-n-effect]

Reddick has this team by the balls after how bad the whole defense has looked

[Charlie Brown]

5 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

Reddick has this team by the balls after how bad the whole defense has looked

It is amazing how many were quick to dismiss the roles Huff and JFM out here.  The run defense NEVER looked like this last year.. NEVER!!!

[oatmeal]

On 9/3/2024 at 12:12 PM, EM31 said:

And yet we sit here with a consensus top-3 roster in the NFL.  How does that work again?

Remember this???????? 

[Biggs]

JD is so winning this battle.  Leverage.

[JetPotato]

9 hours ago, rex-n-effect said:

Reddick has this team by the balls after how bad the whole defense has looked

Reddick isn't going to change anything. Panic signing him now won't change the fact that we are operating with the worst coaching staff in the NFL.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, Biggs said:

JD is so winning this battle.  Leverage.

Leverage left a while ago. Redick isn’t going to help anymore coming off of the couch. 

[Biggs]

1 minute ago, JetPotato said:

Reddick isn't going to change anything. Panic signing him now won't change the fact that we are operating with the worst coaching staff in the NFL.

The Titanic was a top 5 cruise ship.

[GangGreened]

We may need to find some DEs outside of Reddick after that showing 

[oatmeal]

2 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Reddick isn't going to change anything. Panic signing him now won't change the fact that we are operating with the worst coaching staff in the NFL.

This

This team is the capital O in overrated 

We will beat up on these upcoming teams though and the “wE gOiN sUpErBoWl” talk will start right back up

[Biggs]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Leverage left a while ago. Redick isn’t going to help anymore coming off of the couch. 

He has the distinct advantage of last being coached in Philadelphia.  I wouldn’t discount that.

[Flightattendant]

I'm fine with signing Riddick, so long as it doesn't come at the cost of sauce hall or Wilson. Everyone else on this dram can pound salt. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

Unless Reddick is a 320 pound run stuffer, he wouldn’t have mattered. 

[Sperm Edwards]

2 minutes ago, Biggs said:

He has the distinct advantage of last being coached in Philadelphia.  I wouldn’t discount that.

Philadelphia gave up 35 TDs in the air last en route to the #30 overall defense last season, matching up four of their games against two of the league's worst offenses in the division, and fired their DC who didn't get so much as a demotion as the season slipped away. They got beaten by the OL-less, 1-WR, Zach Wilson-QB'd, Hackett-OC'd Jets. Without last night's (however lame) excuses of being on the road and rusty from the offseason, San Fran hung 42 on their D in Philadelphia last year.

Discount it. 

[Irish Jet]

Whole situation is a disaster. Both sides look awful and it seems both of them will lose.

The Jets did not have the privilege of taking this gamble. These resources clearly could have gone elsewhere, not least on some help in the middle of the line.

Douglas has been a resounding failure who’s living off two draft picks. The idea that he’d walk into another GM position if the Jets cleaned house is laughable. 

[Biggs]

23 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Philadelphia gave up 35 TDs in the air last en route to the #30 overall defense last season, matching up four of their games against two of the league's worst offenses in the division, and fired their DC who didn't get so much as a demotion as the season slipped away. They got beaten by the OL-less, 1-WR, Zach Wilson-QB'd, Hackett-OC'd Jets. Without last night's (however lame) excuses of being on the road and rusty from the offseason, San Fran hung 42 on their D in Philadelphia last year.

Discount it. 

25 and 9 in the 2 years he was in Philadelphia.  4 playoff games 2 wins and a SB appearance.  The NY Jets are 14 and 20 with zero playoff appearances in the same 2 year span.  

Philadelphia last 2 years were a wet dream for NY Jets fans.

[slats]

10 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

It is amazing how many were quick to dismiss the roles Huff and JFM out here.  The run defense NEVER looked like this last year.. NEVER!!!

Huff is a liability against the run and JFM was overpaid. They got run over, and have work to do, but letting Huff walk had nothing to do with it. They probably miss Fotu, too. 

[Sperm Edwards]

11 minutes ago, Biggs said:

25 and 9 in the 2 years he was in Philadelphia.  4 playoff games 2 wins and a SB appearance.  The NY Jets are 14 and 20 with zero playoff appearances in the same 2 year span.  

Philadelphia last 2 years were a wet dream for NY Jets fans.

That's a team record and the whole planet knows it was overwhelmingly due to the offense. 25-9 is not the defense's record. They went 11-6 last year giving up over 25 ppg.

Their defense was worse than the Jets' defense the past two years WITH Reddick on it, and without Zach & company putting on a clinic in going 3 & out for two years.

[Biggs]

Just now, Sperm Edwards said:

That's a team record and the whole planet knows it was overwhelmingly due to the offense. 25-9 is not the defense's record. They went 11-6 last year giving up over 25 ppg.

Their defense was worse than the Jets' defense the past two years WITH Reddick on it, and without Zach & company putting on a clinic in going 3 & out for two years.

In 2022 they had the 2nd ranked D in yards in the league.  Reddick was a beast for them.  He had votes for DPOY in 2022.  He also had 3.5 sacks in the playoffs.  The wheels feel off last year no doubt.  Reddick still had more sacks than anyone on the Jets D and while the team fell apart they made the playoffs something this group of coaches has never done together.  

The Eagles lost both Coordinators to HC jobs after 2022 season.  Reddick with great coaching was in the DPOY running.  He had a very good year last year with crappy coaching.   You forgot to mention that both the OC and DC got HC gigs after 2022.  

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, Biggs said:

In 2022 they had the 2nd ranked D in yards in the league.  Reddick was a beast for them.  He had votes for DPOY in 2022.  He also had 3.5 sacks in the playoffs.  The wheels feel off last year no doubt.  Reddick still had more sacks than anyone on the Jets D and while the team fell apart they made the playoffs something this group of coaches has never done together.  

The Eagles lost both Coordinators to HC jobs after 2022 season.  Reddick with great coaching was in the DPOY running.  He had a very good year last year with crappy coaching.   You forgot to mention that both the OC and DC got HC gigs after 2022.  

Reddick is coming off poor defensive coaching last year and your post presumes Reddick is coming off good (defensive) coaching. Gannon was over-promoted worse than Saleh ffs. Arizona's defense under him is a train wreck for the 3rd straight season because that's what he brings to the table without a litany of Philadelphia's roster of name players.

And BFD that the Eagles lost Jonathan Gannon -- the 49ers seem to lose coordinators every offseason and don't miss a beat unless they're decimated by so many key injuries it'd flatline a team under any coach. They don't lose a Saleh or Ryans and then turn into a bottom-3 defense with the same personnel.

[Biggs]

5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Reddick is coming off poor defensive coaching last year and your post presumes Reddick is coming off good (defensive) coaching. Gannon was over-promoted worse than Saleh ffs. Arizona's defense under him is a train wreck for the 3rd straight season because that's what he brings to the table without a litany of Philadelphia's roster of name players.

And BFD that the Eagles lost Jonathan Gannon -- the 49ers seem to lose coordinators every offseason and don't miss a beat unless they're decimated by so many key injuries it'd flatline a team under any coach. They don't lose a Saleh or Ryans and then turn into a bottom-3 defense with the same personnel.

He was their 2 years.  The Eagles are a pro-organization across the board.  Yea after having their coaching staff raided they had a down year last year.  Made the playoffs quick exit.  Reddick played well.  

The Eagles are a better organization top to bottom.  The best argument against Reddick is they were done with him.  The best argument for not getting him into camp with a new deal is we didn't need him but traded for him anyway just because.  

Reddick had a better coaching staff and organization with the Eagles.  They unloaded him.  JD traded for him.  If he can't help the team that we saw last night what's the point.  To prove how tough JD is when he has leverage?

As of today their is no evidence that Saleh is better as a HC than Zach Wilson is as a QB.

[Sperm Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Biggs said:

He was their 2 years.  The Eagles are a pro-organization across the board.  Yea after having their coaching staff raided they had a down year last year.  Made the playoffs quick exit.  Reddick played well.  

The Eagles are a better organization top to bottom.  The best argument against Reddick is they were done with him.  The best argument for not getting him into camp with a new deal is we didn't need him but traded for him anyway just because.  

Reddick had a better coaching staff and organization with the Eagles.  They unloaded him.  JD traded for him.  If he can't help the team that we saw last night what's the point.  To prove how tough JD is when he has leverage?

As of today their is no evidence that Saleh is better as a HC than Zach Wilson is as a QB.

There's a better case to be made that the Eagles were a better team personnel-wise than a meh-personnel team coached up to high levels.

The Jets' defensive coaching the past two seasons was better than the Eagles' defensive coaching the past two seasons.

They're a better team. Their HC, offensive coaching, and overall personnel at key positions and across the OL has dwarfed that of the Jets. I don't think they've been such a great coached team on defense. Think otherwise if you like, though. Swap Huff and Reddick the last two years - oh yeah, and swap the Eagles' and Jets' offenses (and offensive coaching) with them - and then tell me the Eagles' defensive coaching is still the stuff Jets fans should envy, lol. 

[Vader]

Here's my post-week-1 relative leverage update: Reddick way up, Woody (and JD) way down. Mediated by IDL/overall D performance against presumptive SB opponent.

The bet: Reddick bet that the roster would show on game day that he would be the difference maker to bring this roster over the top v a SB opponent. Woody bet that the roster and coaching staff his GM put together would show Reddick's demands were unreasonable and he would come to heel.

He definitely won't be "coming to heel" now barring a miracle. The game of chicken is over.  

What neither side expected: The interior DL played so poorly and the tackling was so bad that it lessens the impact of a Reddick on the field. The roster on defense was exposed as far below the "top three rosters in football" propaganda that we've been hearing (and why presumably Reddick was traded for to begin with - to put the D over the top, especially playing with leads).

Bottomline: if the point of the current roster is legitimately to contend for a Vince Lombardi trophy, then the Niners, who are the presumptive 2025 NFC Superbowl opponent, proved on MNF that the Jets are not legitimately or even remotely in this class. Many people think that the Jets will now pull off a string of wins and go on the warpath. With the hardest game of the year out of the way we can now go on and clean up on the Titans and Pats of the world and finish like 13-4. [I think we are more likely to be 2-2 after four games and in a dogfight the rest of the year] but all of this is irrelevant if the point of the current roster is to win a Super Bowl. Your record is irrelevant at that point and at that level it is all about the roster and CS vs the class of SB contending teams.

In order to contend against SF, or KC (which is going for an NFL record 3-peat), or any other team that emerges in that class, you have to have a top 4 or 5 roster, AT MINIMUM, which means having elite talent. No one should doubt that Reddick would add elite talent and contribute towards a SB roster. But before MNF, it was expected that Reddick would more than just contribute but put the Jets over the top. After MNF, the Jets have a bigger problem at IDL, and Safety and the front 7 in general.

While there's no argument that Reddick would improve the team, Reddick alone does not improve the roster enough to be a SB roster. Now, it's Reddick+.

If the team continues to lose or if the D continues to play AS BAD as they did on MNF, there's no upside whatsoever for Woody to spend any money on a vanity EDGE. Because Superbowl is out of the question. Is WJ willing to go all-in on a divisional round winning roster when the window with Rodgers is one-year and then year to year after, based upon AR seeing his shadow or not when he emerges from his ayahuasca cave every year?

If Woody and JD think this roster can be fixed and made top 4-5 by signings or trades or by getting coached up and still believe the can legitimately win a Superbowl against a team like the Niners, Reddick's leverage has skyrocketed. If they believe SF exposed us to such a degree that they no longer really believe that they are a SB contending team, Reddick has lost all leverage -- and that's with Will McD once again on ice skates at edge.

[Guilhermezmc]

15 minutes ago, Vader said:

Here's my post-week-1 relative leverage update: Reddick way up, Woody (and JD) way down. Mediated by IDL/overall D performance against presumptive SB opponent.

The bet: Reddick bet that the roster would show on game day that he would be the difference maker to bring this roster over the top v a SB opponent. Woody bet that the roster and coaching staff his GM put together would show Reddick's demands were unreasonable and he would come to heel.

He definitely won't be "coming to heel" now barring a miracle. The game of chicken is over.  

What neither side expected: The interior DL played so poorly and the tackling was so bad that it lessens the impact of a Reddick on the field. The roster on defense was exposed as far below the "top three rosters in football" propaganda that we've been hearing (and why presumably Reddick was traded for to begin with - to put the D over the top, especially playing with leads).

Bottomline: if the point of the current roster is legitimately to contend for a Vince Lombardi trophy, then the Niners, who are the presumptive 2025 NFC Superbowl opponent, proved on MNF that the Jets are not legitimately or even remotely in this class. Many people think that the Jets will now pull off a string of wins and go on the warpath. With the hardest game of the year out of the way we can now go on and clean up on the Titans and Pats of the world and finish like 13-4. [I think we are more likely to be 2-2 after four games and in a dogfight the rest of the year] but all of this is irrelevant if the point of the current roster is to win a Super Bowl. Your record is irrelevant at that point and at that level it is all about the roster and CS vs the class of SB contending teams.

In order to contend against SF, or KC (which is going for an NFL record 3-peat), or any other team that emerges in that class, you have to have a top 4 or 5 roster, AT MINIMUM, which means having elite talent. No one should doubt that Reddick would add elite talent and contribute towards a SB roster. But before MNF, it was expected that Reddick would more than just contribute but put the Jets over the top. After MNF, the Jets have a bigger problem at IDL, and Safety and the front 7 in general.

While there's no argument that Reddick would improve the team, Reddick alone does not improve the roster enough to be a SB roster. Now, it's Reddick+.

If the team continues to lose or if the D continues to play AS BAD as they did on MNF, there's no upside whatsoever for Woody to spend any money on a vanity EDGE. Because Superbowl is out of the question. Is WJ willing to go all-in on a divisional round winning roster when the window with Rodgers is one-year and then year to year after, based upon AR seeing his shadow or not when he emerges from his ayahuasca cave every year?

If Woody and JD think this roster can be fixed and made top 4-5 by signings or trades or by getting coached up and still believe the can legitimately win a Superbowl against a team like the Niners, Reddick's leverage has skyrocketed. If they believe SF exposed us to such a degree that they no longer really believe that they are a SB contending team, Reddick has lost all leverage -- and that's with Will McD once again on ice skates at edge.

This is not the week to get a deal done with Reddick.

Will Mcdonald had one assisted tackle, we’re going to get robbed by Reddick at this point

[Charlie Brown]

6 hours ago, slats said:

Huff is a liability against the run and JFM was overpaid. They got run over, and have work to do, but letting Huff walk had nothing to do with it. They probably miss Fotu, too. 

I was focusing on the run defense for brevity, but the pass rush didn't shine brightly either... IMO...  

[Ken Schroy]

17 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

It is amazing how many were quick to dismiss the roles Huff and JFM out here.  The run defense NEVER looked like this last year.. NEVER!!!

They haven't been the same since Al Wood went down last yr. He made a bigger impact against the run than those guys.

[Charlie Brown]

Just now, Ken Schroy said:

They haven't been the same since Al Wood went down last yr. He made a bigger impact than those guys.

In many ways you are correct.  IMO people overestimate "Stars" and undervalue role players who often contribute so that those Stars can shine!  

[JiFtheOracle]

17 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

It is amazing how many were quick to dismiss the roles Huff and JFM out here.  The run defense NEVER looked like this last year.. NEVER!!!

That's not true.  They had some very bad games against the run last year, gave up 200 yards rushing to both the Cheifs and Giants.  Dolphins ran all over them and so did the Raiders.  

[Rich Thornburgh]

8 hours ago, JetPotato said:

Reddick isn't going to change anything. Panic signing him now won't change the fact that we are operating with the worst coaching staff in the NFL.

We have no edge rush

[Vader]

11 minutes ago, JiFtheOracle said:

That's not true.  They had some very bad games against the run last year, gave up 200 yards rushing to both the Cheifs and Giants.  Dolphins ran all over them and so did the Raiders.  

It's interesting bc Saleh says they can stop the run if they want to. There's an element of his defense that invites the other team to run and with a better offense with AR, our run defense isn't supposed to matter as much bc in theory we can play with a lead and/or put up mucho points 

[JetPotato]

1 hour ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

We have no edge rush

Add one and we still have the worst coaching staff in the league.

[Sperm Edwards]

  

On 9/3/2024 at 12:05 PM, Matt39 said:

If Huff has a big game on Friday and Reddick is still holding out, ohhh boy

Well gee, that didn’t happen.

Nor the week after that, whiffing on pass rushing a statue of a QB with only one functioning Achilles tendon.

 

Meanwhile Huff is in his dream opportunity at 100% perfect health, had a full camp/preseason with his new team, for a DC whose injury-plagued defense got to the QB a crazy 56 times last season, and through these first two season-openers on the team’s home turf, his stat line is almost indiscernible from Reddick who hasn’t played even one snap through this holdout. 

And the rest of you here spending the past 8 months dunking on the “obvious” move to tag this player at some $21MM, who certainly would’ve held out this summer himself (tagged players aren’t under contract & don’t risk the reset of their careers to practice and play in preseason for free) — all those who’d have been loving every moment of Huff doing well for another team, instead of being this enormous bust for Philadelphia so far…

Come on out and get your whooping!

 

[Matt39]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

  

Well gee, that didn’t happen.

Nor the week after that, whiffing on pass rushing a statue of a QB with only one functioning Achilles tendon.

 

Meanwhile Huff is in his dream opportunity at 100% perfect health, had a full camp/preseason with his new team, for a DC whose injury-plagued defense got to the QB a crazy 56 times last season, and through these first two season-openers on the team’s home turf, his stat line is almost indiscernible from Reddick who hasn’t played even one snap through this holdout. 

And the rest of you here spending the past 8 months dunking on the “obvious” move to tag this player at some $21MM, who certainly would’ve held out this summer himself (tagged players aren’t under contract & don’t risk the reset of their careers to practice and play in preseason for free) — all those who’d have been loving every moment of Huff doing well for another team, instead of being this enormous bust for Philadelphia so far…

Come on out and get your whooping!

 

A bit premature after two games. Also have to factor in JJ being out for the season. Reddick isn’t going to play for the Jets. Huff being on the roster on the tag still had zero downside. 

[EM31]

15 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

A bit premature after two games. Also have to factor in JJ being out for the season. Reddick isn’t going to play for the Jets. Huff being on the roster on the tag still had zero downside. 

We all get it. Reddick will never play a down of football for the NY Jets..... Until he does

That's the way these things tend to go down

[Matt39]

25 minutes ago, EM31 said:

We all get it. Reddick will never play a down of football for the NY Jets..... Until he does

That's the way these things tend to go down

I don’t think this exact scenario has ever really unfolded. 

[#27TheDominator]

45 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

A bit premature after two games. Also have to factor in JJ being out for the season. Reddick isn’t going to play for the Jets. Huff being on the roster on the tag still had zero downside. 

Zero downside to paying Bryce Huff $20+M and still needing another DE to stop the run?  Having Huff on the tag would have had repurcussions during the free agent period when they were looking to sign Smith and Williams.  They wouldn't have had to cut JFM loose way earlier and probably wouldn't have even gotten a pick for him.

But there was zero downside.