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#1 Strangefunk

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:51 PM

Next year will be the last year of the Sanchize era....which current College QB would you like to see take over in 2014? Now keep in mind that the Chiefs have the inside track for the #1 pick....The jets at 6-10 will probably pick in the 8-10 draft pick area.

I say they go for Landry Jones or the Texas Tech QB.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:24 PM

Landry Jones chokes in a big spot and throws too many balls up for grabs. He can't handle a pass rush at all. Texas Tech QB's don't do well in the pros.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:34 PM

You could have just posted in the college QB thread
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:54 PM

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 05:25 AM

You could have just posted in the college QB thread

or at the end of next season
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 05:57 AM

The important thing to remember about Sanchez's imminent demise here: it's a complete institutional failure. This isn't just about one guy being a bad football player, or a team making a bad pick. This is about an owner looking for a marketable entity; a GM that traded up to draft a player with a significant bust factor attached to him: and a coaching staff, led by holdovers who had already failed with Clemens, completely f*cking up the development process of the player. Don't let them sell you the "draft is a crapshoot" narrative. This is bigger than that.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 06:35 AM

The important thing to remember about Sanchez's imminent demise here: it's a complete institutional failure. This isn't just about one guy being a bad football player, or a team making a bad pick. This is about an owner looking for a marketable entity; a GM that traded up to draft a player with a significant bust factor attached to him: and a coaching staff, led by holdovers who had already failed with Clemens, completely f*cking up the development process of the player. Don't let them sell you the "draft is a crapshoot" narrative. This is bigger than that.


It sounds so eloquent when you put it that way.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:23 AM

The important thing to remember about Sanchez's imminent demise here: it's a complete institutional failure. This isn't just about one guy being a bad football player, or a team making a bad pick. This is about an owner looking for a marketable entity; a GM that traded up to draft a player with a significant bust factor attached to him: and a coaching staff, led by holdovers who had already failed with Clemens, completely f*cking up the development process of the player. Don't let them sell you the "draft is a crapshoot" narrative. This is bigger than that.


exactly-the biggest failure IMO is the complete disregard to surround a young QB with a consistent set of weapons for him to throw to. The Jets had it when we had a receiving corps of Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery, and Dustin Keller. Now of course we're going to get the smart alecks who are going to say whatever they are always saying about Edwards being this or that and his injury but they should never have let him and Cotchery go the way they did. They SHOULD have found a way to make it happen the same way that they always seem to find that way for any defensive player that Rex Ryan covets. Look at who the guy is throwing to right now-his best receiver is a guy the Dolphins cut. Say what you will but the Jets performed some real magic with that WR corps.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:24 AM

exactly-the biggest failure IMO is the complete disregard to surround a young QB with a consistent set of weapons for him to throw to. The Jets had it when we had a receiving corps of Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery, and Dustin Keller. Now of course we're going to get the smart alecks who are going to say whatever they are always saying about Edwards being this or that and his injury but they should never have let him and Cotchery go the way they did. They SHOULD have found a way to make it happen the same way that they always seem to find that way for any defensive player that Rex Ryan covets. Look at who the guy is throwing to right now-his best receiver is a guy the Dolphins cut. Say what you will but the Jets performed some real magic with that WR corps.


The Phins Backup QB would start for Jets mon
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:00 AM

The Phins Backup QB would start for Jets mon


Your right. Moore is very serviceable QB, I like him perhaps we could trade for him 2013?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:35 AM

The important thing to remember about Sanchez's imminent demise here: it's a complete institutional failure. This isn't just about one guy being a bad football player, or a team making a bad pick. This is about an owner looking for a marketable entity; a GM that traded up to draft a player with a significant bust factor attached to him: and a coaching staff, led by holdovers who had already failed with Clemens, completely f*cking up the development process of the player. Don't let them sell you the "draft is a crapshoot" narrative. This is bigger than that.


This is true.....since Parcells we have not had a football mind in charge here. With Sanchez, he is scapegoat No. 2. The first one was Shotty. I honestly believe, Sanchez was (as in past tense) serviceable. I do not believe thats the case any longer.

No comes the million dollar wake up call.....after this past sunday's game with Miami....this whole sh*t is now on Rex, his coaching staff and Tanny.

Everyone wants to hammer Sanchez, that's fine and rightfully so. But Rex is clueless. And anyone hanging there hats on this guy is only kidding themselves. He is a "good" DC and that's it.

This regime has turned our team into a ****en clown circus.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:44 AM

This is true.....since Parcells we have not had a football mind in charge here. With Sanchez, he is scapegoat No. 2. The first one was Shotty. I honestly believe, Sanchez was (as in past tense) serviceable. I do not believe thats the case any longer.

No comes the million dollar wake up call.....after this past sunday's game with Miami....this whole sh*t is now on Rex, his coaching staff and Tanny.

Everyone wants to hammer Sanchez, that's fine and rightfully so. But Rex is clueless. And anyone hanging there hats on this guy is only kidding themselves. He is a "good" DC and that's it.

This regime has turned our team into a ****en clown circus.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:52 AM

It's Error not Era. sheesh.


Wow that's some damn good posting. LOL
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

Don't let them sell you the "draft is a crapshoot" narrative. This is bigger than that.


the draft is a crapshoot. Besides making a bad pick, the systemic problem is one of expectations. Jets fans think a 5 pick is the same as a 1 pick. If you want a 1 pick you have to make a 1 pick. Taking Sanchez and pretending he's Eli is not gonna work.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:16 AM

the draft is a crapshoot. Besides making a bad pick, the systemic problem is one of expectations. Jets fans think a 5 pick is the same as a 1 pick. If you want a 1 pick you have to make a 1 pick. Taking Sanchez and pretending he's Eli is not gonna work.


This is absurd. The problem isn't that he hasn't been Eli. It's that he hasn't even been Josh ****ing Freeman.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:22 AM

This is absurd. The problem isn't that he hasn't been Eli. It's that he hasn't even been Josh ****ing Freeman.


freeman is a mid-late 1 like Aaron Rodgers, Chad or Tebow. There's a huge range of outcomes with late 1 QBs, most of which are not good.

my point is if we look at the QBs who are picked at 5 overall (or in that neighborhood) it's a very different list than the Qb's that are picked at one. Sanchez might go on to have a career like Dilfer or Kerry Collins. That's still possible. Or he could crap out like Joey Harrington.

Jets fans expected him to be John Elway or Peyton Manning but he was never that type of prospect.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:25 AM

Jets fans expected him to be John Elway or Peyton Manning but he was never that type of prospect.


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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:26 AM

how about we don't look at drafting another QB and trade for one instead?
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:30 AM

exactly-the biggest failure IMO is the complete disregard to surround a young QB with a consistent set of weapons for him to throw to. The Jets had it when we had a receiving corps of Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery, and Dustin Keller. Now of course we're going to get the smart alecks who are going to say whatever they are always saying about Edwards being this or that and his injury but they should never have let him and Cotchery go the way they did. They SHOULD have found a way to make it happen the same way that they always seem to find that way for any defensive player that Rex Ryan covets. Look at who the guy is throwing to right now-his best receiver is a guy the Dolphins cut. Say what you will but the Jets performed some real magic with that WR corps.



You are partially right, but I think you realize that Sanchez is an inaccurate passer. His completion percentages with good and bad receivers have been dismal, compared to the decent QBs in the league. Everybody blamed Schotty (me included) and I will never waver from my conviction that he was a Schottenheimer and therefore a loser dxown deep, but the guy closest to Sanchez has been Cavanagh, Rex's bud, and this guy has no track record of any consequence. So it is partially the help, for sure, but the guy did not have it.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:10 PM

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Yes you are so very right. And many don't see it.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:11 PM

how about we don't look at drafting another QB and trade for one instead?


I think at this point in time that may be the best considering our window is rapidly closing with the current players we have.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:26 PM

the draft is a crapshoot. Besides making a bad pick, the systemic problem is one of expectations. Jets fans think a 5 pick is the same as a 1 pick. If you want a 1 pick you have to make a 1 pick. Taking Sanchez and pretending he's Eli is not gonna work.


freeman is a mid-late 1 like Aaron Rodgers, Chad or Tebow. There's a huge range of outcomes with late 1 QBs, most of which are not good.

my point is if we look at the QBs who are picked at 5 overall (or in that neighborhood) it's a very different list than the Qb's that are picked at one. Sanchez might go on to have a career like Dilfer or Kerry Collins. That's still possible. Or he could crap out like Joey Harrington.

Jets fans expected him to be John Elway or Peyton Manning but he was never that type of prospect.


Rodgers falling was a bigger surprise than if he'd gone in the top 3.

Sanchez was a legit first round graded prospect but he wasn't a top-5 type. Jets traded that high out of desperation.

If Sanchez had gotten drafted outside the top 10 (or even outside the top 15-20) it would have been less surprising than the drop Rodgers or Quinn had, would have been less surprising than if Young had gone #15-20 instead of #3, or Leinart dropping from a supposed lock #1-2 pick to #10.

Your theory also falls apart when there are as many #3-10 successes as #1 successes.

For every #1 Eli, Luck, Peyton, Palmer, Stafford, and others, there are an equal amount of #1 overall pick QBs that didn't sniff at their expectations (or outright flopped)

#1 Alex Smith
#1 David Carr
#1 Jamarcus Russell
#1 Tim Couch
#1 Sam Bradford (looked really good as a rookie; meh since then)

After pick #1? You're reaching to suggest there is a pattern:

#2 Donovan McNabb
#2 Ryan Leaf
#2 RGIII (only half of 1 season but so far so good I think we'd all agree)

#3 Matt Ryan
#3 Steve McNair
#3 Joey Harrington
#3 Akili Smith

#4 Rivers
#5 Sanchez
#5 Collins
#6 Dilfer
#6 Klingler

#11 Rape
#10 Leinart
#10 Culpepper
#11 McNown

#17 Freeman
#18 Pennington
#19 Boller

#24 Rodgers
#25 Tebow
#22 Quinn
#25 Campbell
#22 Losman
#22 Grossman

#32 Patrick Ramsey
#32 Drew Brees


There is no "pattern" unless you want to cherry pick certain players and ignore others with the benefit of hindsight. It's as random as random can be. You either pick a good one or you pick a mediocre one or you pick a bad one. It's the player you picked, not the # he was picked at.

The only thing I think we'd all agree with is that generally the higher the pick (half round to half round, or full round to full round) the better the likelihood of the player panning out (at the same position). A 3rd round pick is likely to be a better player than a 5th round pick, etc. But the #22 pick is not generally more likely to be a stud than the #21 or the #23 pick.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:38 PM

the draft is a crapshoot. Besides making a bad pick, the systemic problem is one of expectations. Jets fans think a 5 pick is the same as a 1 pick. If you want a 1 pick you have to make a 1 pick. Taking Sanchez and pretending he's Eli is not gonna work.


dude, I love you, but this is the weirdest canard you've ever foisted upon us, ever.

Top Ten QBs in league:

1. Rodgers--24th overall
2. Brady--Sixth round
3. Eli--First overall
4. Roethlisberger--twelfth overall
5. Brees--Second round
6. Peyton--First overall
7. Matt Ryan--Third overall
8. Schaub--Third Round
9. Romo--UDFA
10. RGIII/Cutler/Stafford

Edited by T0mShane, 02 November 2012 - 04:32 AM.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:55 PM

The important thing to remember about Sanchez's imminent demise here: it's a complete institutional failure. This isn't just about one guy being a bad football player, or a team making a bad pick. This is about an owner looking for a marketable entity; a GM that traded up to draft a player with a significant bust factor attached to him: and a coaching staff, led by holdovers who had already failed with Clemens, completely f*cking up the development process of the player. Don't let them sell you the "draft is a crapshoot" narrative. This is bigger than that.


You should really include your beeper # in your sig, and an ad for some play.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:58 PM

dude, I love you, but this is the weirdest canard you've ever foisted upon us, ever.

Top Ten QBs in league:

1. Rodgers--24th overall
2. Brady--Sixth round
3. Eli--First overall
4. Roethlisberger--twelfth overall
5. Brees--Second round
6. Peyton--First overall
7. Matt Ryan--Third overall
8. Schaub--Fourth Round
9. Romo--UDFA
10. RGIII/Cutler/Stafford


Or at least open up a liquor store.

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