Jets Waive Oday Aboushi

[RutgersJetFan]

oh i paid attention just fine. Aboushi was adequate. The Jets had a good running attack and it's tough to judge a OL when you have Geno holding the ball 8 seconds every play. Given that he was a young player with 10 starts under his belt, I figured he'd at least snag a bench spot. The fact that he didn't probably speaks more to his effort in camp this year and his arrest then it does his 2014 season.

Agreed. The line clearly did better when we switched last year from Winters to Aboushi and I thought he looked very good for a second year guy. But weed aside, we didn't hear much from him in camp, so it's very possible that last year was an outlier and that's that.

[Villain The Foe]

John Idzik's 19 draft picks:

Dee Milliner:  Can't stay healthy, probable bust.
Sheldon Richardson:  Dominant force at DT, committed 4 crimes at once.
Calvin Pryor:  Nice Week 1, possibly not a bust.
Jace Amaro:  Can't stay healthy, probable bust.
Geno Smith:  Geno-ing.
CB Dexter McDougle:  Could be a player per Crusher.

T/G Oday Aboushi:  Waived.
G Brian Winters:  May well be next to go after Jets brought in about 27 new guards this offseason.
WR  Jalen Saunders:  On his 4th team.

WR Shaq Evans:  # 5/6 receiver and special teamer.
G Dakota Dozier:  Project lineman.
LB Jeremiah George:  Cut.
DB Brandon Dixon:  Cut.
WR Quincy Enunwa:  New H-Back in Gailey's scheme, could be promising.
DE/LB IK Enemkpali:  Cut after punching Geno.
QB Tajh Boyd:  Cut.
OL William Campbell:  Cut
LB Trevor Reilly:  Solid backup.  Arguably Idzik's 2nd best draft pick.
FB Tommy Bohanon:  Arguably Idzik's best draft pick.  Yep.

I noticed it the first time you posted this a few weeks back but didnt feel like saying anything because generally you have a damn good point...however Jeremiah George wasnt cut. He was on the Jets practice squad and was picked up by the Jags to be part of their 53. 

[NYs Stepchild]

I noticed it the first time you posted this a few weeks back but didnt feel like saying anything because generally you have a damn good point...however Jeremiah George wasnt cut. He was on the Jets practice squad and was picked up by the Jags to be part of their 53. 

He had to be waived to make the practice squad.

[Anthony Jet]

Staten Island kid......woulda like to see him make it. 

[SenorGato]

When your fighting for a roster spot on a team that has 27 guards, you don't get pulled over with pot in your car!

Sheldons a beast, he'd have to kill someone to get cut, this is the NFL Aboushi, not-for-long.

Leonard Little and Ray Lewis didn't get cut. 

[Bugg]

No more worries of a terrorist attack against the infidel football Jets.

Bit of a low blow. Not gonna go crazy. Ask anyone form the one JI politics board, I'm a little to the right of whom ever. Kinda feel and for the guy, but I'm biased. My son plays for the same high school, gotten to know some of his family who go there too, seems like a decent bunch of people. Good luck, O. 

[JohnnyLV]

Something to consider here is that we have a totally different offensive line philosophy this year with simple man to man concepts as opposed to the zone blocking we have been running. Not all lineman are good at both, some much better in one scheme or another. So while he played well or at least decent last year, he may be a player not suited well for man to man blocking. Incidentally man to man seems to be a much better scheme for our starters, the OL is playing really well.

[T0mShane]

John Idzik's 19 draft picks:

Dee Milliner:  Can't stay healthy, probable bust.
Sheldon Richardson:  Dominant force at DT, committed 4 crimes at once.
Calvin Pryor:  Nice Week 1, possibly not a bust.
Jace Amaro:  Can't stay healthy, probable bust.
Geno Smith:  Geno-ing.
CB Dexter McDougle:  Could be a player per Crusher.

T/G Oday Aboushi:  Waived.
G Brian Winters:  May well be next to go after Jets brought in about 27 new guards this offseason.
WR  Jalen Saunders:  On his 4th team.

WR Shaq Evans:  # 5/6 receiver and special teamer.
G Dakota Dozier:  Project lineman.
LB Jeremiah George:  Cut.
DB Brandon Dixon:  Cut.
WR Quincy Enunwa:  New H-Back in Gailey's scheme, could be promising.
DE/LB IK Enemkpali:  Cut after punching Geno.
QB Tajh Boyd:  Cut.
OL William Campbell:  Cut
LB Trevor Reilly:  Solid backup.  Arguably Idzik's 2nd best draft pick.
FB Tommy Bohanon:  Arguably Idzik's best draft pick.  Yep.

totally off the idzik bandwagon

[Bruce Harper]

As dumb as these athletes are that are caught with weed or other drugs I'm also wondering why these guys get pulled over all the time.  If i had something illegal in my car I"m following every sign and and not even going through a yellow light.  Geeze.   

Youth + testosterone = Idiotic decisions

[CaliforniaJet]

John Idzik's 19 draft picks:

Dee Milliner:  Can't stay healthy, probable bust.
Sheldon Richardson:  Dominant force at DT, committed 4 crimes at once.
Calvin Pryor:  Nice Week 1, possibly not a bust.
Jace Amaro:  Can't stay healthy, probable bust.
Geno Smith:  Geno-ing.
CB Dexter McDougle:  Could be a player per Crusher.

T/G Oday Aboushi:  Waived.
G Brian Winters:  May well be next to go after Jets brought in about 27 new guards this offseason.
WR  Jalen Saunders:  On his 4th team.

WR Shaq Evans:  # 5/6 receiver and special teamer.
G Dakota Dozier:  Project lineman.
LB Jeremiah George:  Cut.
DB Brandon Dixon:  Cut.
WR Quincy Enunwa:  New H-Back in Gailey's scheme, could be promising.
DE/LB IK Enemkpali:  Cut after punching Geno.
QB Tajh Boyd:  Cut.
OL William Campbell:  Cut
LB Trevor Reilly:  Solid backup.  Arguably Idzik's 2nd best draft pick.
FB Tommy Bohanon:  Arguably Idzik's best draft pick.  Yep.

Any idiot on twitter could've done a better job drafting than this crap, we could've put our draft on auto pick with next best available and it would've been better. This is just pathetic, wow!

[32EBoozer]

Bit of a low blow. Not gonna go crazy. Ask anyone form the one JI politics board, I'm a little to the right of whom ever. Kinda feel and for the guy, but I'm biased. My son plays for the same high school, gotten to know some of his family who go there too, seems like a decent bunch of people. Good luck, O. 

Havin' a bit of fun, that's all. If T0m Shane said it doesn't even raise an eyebrow.

[Jetsfan80]

I noticed it the first time you posted this a few weeks back but didnt feel like saying anything because generally you have a damn good point...however Jeremiah George wasnt cut. He was on the Jets practice squad and was picked up by the Jags to be part of their 53. 

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!  

Kidding.  I'll make this change on the next iteration, when Calvin Pryor has a nice season then inevitably is arrested for driving an RV full of meth, hookers and AK-47's across state lines next summer.

[Il Mostro]

No more worries of a terrorist attack against the infidel football Jets.

He was an anti-Dentite.  

[win4ever]

I wanted to be a believer, but man those Idzik drafts were horrible.  I don't blame Milliner/Sheldon/Geno on him, those were logical choices at those points (infact Sheldon was probably the most illogical, and had the biggest impact for us) but last year was just an abomination from the start.  We had absolutely no reason to keep 12 picks, yet we didn't make enough trades and get some better positioning.  To make three picks in the most rich WR draft in history possibly, and to come away with pretty much a No. 5 type WR in Enunwa is just heartbreaking.  I don't think I've seen a worse draft from any team that had more than 6 picks in a draft and didn't trade away first round picks.  

I think a good part has to do with the scouting department, they seemed to fail badly on offense consistently, so I'm glad we got rid of most of them this year.  It was probably the biggest move the new GM made since he's been here.  

[Villain The Foe]

He had to be waived to make the practice squad.

He wasnt cut.

[Villain The Foe]

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!  

Kidding.  I'll make this change on the next iteration, when Calvin Pryor has a nice season then inevitably is arrested for driving an RV full of meth, hookers and AK-47's across state lines next summer.

When this happens im blaming you, not Idzik! lol.

[drdetroit]

He sucked last year don't understand why some fans thought he was actually good.

[jack48]

No biggie

[#27TheDominator]

He wasnt cut.

Waived = released =  cut.  You have to clear waivers and that means you are on the street able to be signed by anyone.  FWIW, the same thing happened with Dixon who was on Tampa Bay's practice squad and I think he got some game action there.  He was just released from the Seahawks practice squad.

[Sperm Edwards]

On the one hand, it's a given that when you draft 12 players in 1 season that they're cutting rookies. It's meant to be a weeding out process so if "only" 8-9 are kept a season or so, and 6-7 kept thereafter, it would be a monster haul on balance (as opposed to the usual: draft 7, 1-2 don't make final cutdowns as rookies, and if even 3-4 of them are keepers (whether full time starters or key rotational guys) thereafter people will say you've done a hell of a job).

The problem is there don't appear to be 3-4 of those types from both of his drafts combined. In a miracle scenario, from two drafts, we'd be looking at Milliner, Richardson, Pryor, Amaro, GENO , Enunwa, Bohanon, Reilly. Now factor in how many good (high/higher) draft picks we had - two top 10 picks, two teens picks, and two more between 39-49 - and that is an embarrassment of a haul. Gets worse when considering we had move-up ammunition like no one's business (with plenty of picks remaining even after a big trade up, which was where Tannenbaum used to fail). If somehow Geno pans out - and only if Geno pans out - then we could talk about forgiving the rest since the whole league is about having a QB.

[#27TheDominator]

On the one hand, it's a given that when you draft 12 players in 1 season that they're cutting rookies. It's meant to be a weeding out process so if "only" 8-9 are kept a season or so, and 6-7 kept thereafter, it would be a monster haul on balance (as opposed to the usual: draft 7, 1-2 don't make final cutdowns as rookies, and if even 3-4 of them are keepers (whether full time starters or key rotational guys) thereafter people will say you've done a hell of a job).

The problem is there don't appear to be 3-4 of those types from both of his drafts combined. In a miracle scenario, from two drafts, we'd be looking at Milliner, Richardson, Pryor, Amaro, GENO , Enunwa, Bohanon, Reilly. Now factor in how many good (high/higher) draft picks we had - two top 10 picks, two teens picks, and two more between 39-49 - and that is an embarrassment of a haul. Gets worse when considering we had move-up ammunition like no one's business (with plenty of picks remaining even after a big trade up, which was where Tannenbaum used to fail). If somehow Geno pans out - and only if Geno pans out - then we could talk about forgiving the rest since the whole league is about having a QB.

Another thing that makes it stand out is WR.  The team needed to add a WR desperately and they picked 3 and none could crack the lineup.  It's one thing to add 4 guards in 2 years and keep the best, but to miss out on a WR in that draft was almost impossible.  Also hard to believe they could pick a CB that would get cut when they were starting Antonio Allen at CB.  When you draft 3 WRs and a CB and end up starting David Nelson and Antonio Allen, things seem pretty bleak.

[nj meadowlands]

On the one hand, it's a given that when you draft 12 players in 1 season that they're cutting rookies. It's meant to be a weeding out process so if "only" 8-9 are kept a season or so, and 6-7 kept thereafter, it would be a monster haul on balance (as opposed to the usual: draft 7, 1-2 don't make final cutdowns as rookies, and if even 3-4 of them are keepers (whether full time starters or key rotational guys) thereafter people will say you've done a hell of a job).

The problem is there don't appear to be 3-4 of those types from both of his drafts combined. In a miracle scenario, from two drafts, we'd be looking at Milliner, Richardson, Pryor, Amaro, GENO , Enunwa, Bohanon, Reilly. Now factor in how many good (high/higher) draft picks we had - two top 10 picks, two teens picks, and two more between 39-49 - and that is an embarrassment of a haul. Gets worse when considering we had move-up ammunition like no one's business (with plenty of picks remaining even after a big trade up, which was where Tannenbaum used to fail). If somehow Geno pans out - and only if Geno pans out - then we could talk about forgiving the rest since the whole league is about having a QB.

Seems like a dubious proposition at this point, no?  

As much as I would like to see it happen, at this point, isn't our top rooting priority for Fitz to march this team to 4-0 in Geno's absence and make him a distant memory?  Kinda sucks.

[AFJF]

Another thing that makes it stand out is WR.  The team needed to add a WR desperately and they picked 3 and none could crack the lineup.  It's one thing to add 4 guards in 2 years and keep the best, but to miss out on a WR in that draft was almost impossible.  Also hard to believe they could pick a CB that would get cut when they were starting Antonio Allen at CB.  When you draft 3 WRs and a CB and end up starting David Nelson and Antonio Allen, things seem pretty bleak.

Agreed...Parcells had two drafts that were far worse than what Idzik did and he's in the HOF.  What killed Idzik was the fact that he should have been doing backflips to grab two or three of the WR's who were available that would have set this team up for years to come.  Then the fact that of the three he took, two are already gone.  Also, choosing Dimitri Patterson over Revis, DRC, Verner.  Drafting Geno didn't help either.

[nj meadowlands]

Another thing that makes it stand out is WR.  The team needed to add a WR desperately and they picked 3 and none could crack the lineup.  It's one thing to add 4 guards in 2 years and keep the best, but to miss out on a WR in that draft was almost impossible.  Also hard to believe they could pick a CB that would get cut when they were starting Antonio Allen at CB.  When you draft 3 WRs and a CB and end up starting David Nelson and Antonio Allen, things seem pretty bleak.

Yep - and in a year where there were some monsters taken at the WR position.  

[Sperm Edwards]

The real indictment (other than looking at that list all at once) is a major point of this strategy in each draft was to draft multiple guys at a position and banking that at least one of them would pan out.

In 2013, clearly an addition to the OL was sought so he drafted 3 of them. In 2014, he wanted pass catchers (and hoping 1 could double-up as a return specialist) so he drafted 4 pass catchers. 

No doubt, he figured the worst case result would be 1 starting guard, 1 starting TE, and 1 starting WR to show for 7 picks. That going 3 for 7 has better chances of success than trying to go 3 for 3. And so far it's 0 for 7.

Now Amaro's career isn't over (though missing his whole sophomore season isn't going to help). Also, though he won't be starting for the Jets for at least 2 more seasons with the current logjam of talent ahead of him now, there is definitely still some hope Enunwa could be good. I guess Winters or Dozier could push Colon aside or could do an ok job if Colon is injured for an extended time (at least it's possible on paper). But in terms of finding starters in those areas so far we have zero to show for those 7 picks. 

[nj meadowlands]

The real indictment (other than looking at that list all at once) is a major point of this strategy in each draft. In 2013, clearly an addition to the OL was sought so he drafted 3 of them. In 2014, he wanted pass catchers (and hoping 1 could double-up as a return specialist) so he drafted 4 pass catchers. 

No doubt, he figured the worst case result would be 1 starting guard, 1 starting TE, and 1 starting WR to show for 7 picks. That going 3 for 7 has better chances of success than trying to go 3 for 3. And so far it's 0 for 7.

Now Amaro's career isn't over (though missing his whole sophomore season isn't going to help). Also, though he won't be starting for the Jets for at least 2 more seasons with the current logjam of talent ahead of him now, there is definitely still some hope Enunwa could be good. I guess Winters or Dozier could push Colon aside or could do an ok job if Colon is injured for an extended time (at least it's possible on paper). But in terms of finding starters in those areas so far we have zero to show for those 7 picks. 

Yep. And if we can see that clear as day, there's no doubt Maccagnan can see it when he's considering whether to keep or ditch guys like Jarvis Harrison, Deon Simon, etc.

[Sperm Edwards]

Another thing that makes it stand out is WR.  The team needed to add a WR desperately and they picked 3 and none could crack the lineup.  It's one thing to add 4 guards in 2 years and keep the best, but to miss out on a WR in that draft was almost impossible.  Also hard to believe they could pick a CB that would get cut when they were starting Antonio Allen at CB.  When you draft 3 WRs and a CB and end up starting David Nelson and Antonio Allen, things seem pretty bleak.

I was just finishing a follow up to my own post outlining just that. 0 for 3 on the OL and 0 for 3 at WR (so far 0 for 4 at pass catcher aggregately, at least so far).

[#27TheDominator]

The real indictment (other than looking at that list all at once) is a major point of this strategy in each draft. In 2013, clearly an addition to the OL was sought so he drafted 3 of them. In 2014, he wanted pass catchers (and hoping 1 could double-up as a return specialist) so he drafted 4 pass catchers. 

No doubt, he figured the worst case result would be 1 starting guard, 1 starting TE, and 1 starting WR to show for 7 picks. That going 3 for 7 has better chances of success than trying to go 3 for 3. And so far it's 0 for 7.

Now Amaro's career isn't over (though missing his whole sophomore season isn't going to help). Also, though he won't be starting for the Jets for at least 2 more seasons with the current logjam of talent ahead of him now, there is definitely still some hope Enunwa could be good. I guess Winters or Dozier could push Colon aside or could do an ok job if Colon is injured for an extended time (at least it's possible on paper). But in terms of finding starters in those areas so far we have zero to show for those 7 picks. 

Guys that rate players as starters would probably argue that Winters and Aboushi were "starters".   That was the claim after 2013 - starting CB, DE, QB, G and FB, in 7 picks.  Yippee, but if after 3 years they aren't starting anymore is it still good?  I tend to like Milliner better than most, but it is not looking good. 

[Sperm Edwards]

Seems like a dubious proposition at this point, no?  

As much as I would like to see it happen, at this point, isn't our top rooting priority for Fitz to march this team to 4-0 in Geno's absence and make him a distant memory?  Kinda sucks.

Of course that is the top priority. Priority doesn't factor into it. One doesn't need to sabotage Fitzpatrick in order for Geno to develop. Geno just needs to develop (assuming he is capable), and if he does he can make the most of his next opportunity. Based on history, Fitzpatrick is unlikely to make it through a 16 game season without getting injured.

Look no further than Fitzpatrick's career as he entered his 3rd NFL season. Did well filling in for Jamie Martin in his first NFL action (over the 1-9, and eventual 2-14, Texans that had the most God-awful defense that year), throwing to a still-productive Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce and Faulk/Jackson catching passes out of the backfield. Two weeks later he had a 0 TD 5 INT game. Fitzpatrick didn't have another acceptable game until midway through his 4th NFL season (which is the next time he was permitted to start a football game after his rookie performances).

Guys that rate players as starters would probably argue that Winters and Aboushi were "starters".   That was the claim after 2013 - starting CB, DE, QB, G and FB, in 7 picks.  Yippee, but if after 3 years they aren't starting anymore is it still good?  I tend to like Milliner better than most, but it is not looking good. 

Yeah well Brooks Bollinger once was thrust into a starting role for most of a season with the Jets, so I guess he was a "starter" as well. Adrian Jones started 16 games that year as well. Starter = successful pick, of course.

Guys that rate players as starters, without assessing whether they were good at it, or if there were just enough injuries plus a lack of other depth to push these stiffs to the front line, or a HC/GM determined to give a sucky pick playing time before giving up on him, are not worth paying attention to. Hey, Geno was a starter for his first 2 NFL seasons, and clearly would have started year 3 as well if a backup LB didn't punch him in the face so hard it broke his jaw. How many view Geno as a successful draft pick so far, compared to those who do not?

[Jetsfan80]

Hey, Geno was a starter for his first 2 NFL seasons, and clearly would have started year 3 as well if a backup LB didn't punch him in the face so hard it broke his jaw. How many view Geno as a successful draft pick so far, compared to those who do not?

Only 2 positive things you can say about the Geno selection at this point:

1.  We didn't trade up into the 1st round to get him, as some thought we might.  After having traded up to pick 5 to get Sanchez, for us was this....progress?

2.  At the time he was the highest-rated QB in the draft, and many thought we'd opt to get a weapon for Sanchez with that pick rather than try to find his replacement.  So at least Idzik showed some balls by doing what we've been wanting our GM's to do for a long time:  Draft the best QB available based on pick/value/availability (I.E. no obvious reaches) every year until you're sure you've got one.  Missing out on Russell Wilson in '12 will likely go down as the biggest mistake the Jets will have made this decade, and we can never let that happen again if we can avoid it.

[Villain The Foe]

Waived = released =  cut.  You have to clear waivers and that means you are on the street able to be signed by anyone.  FWIW, the same thing happened with Dixon who was on Tampa Bay's practice squad and I think he got some game action there.  He was just released from the Seahawks practice squad.

We're not talking about requirements to make a teams practice squad.  George wasnt cut from the Jets, he was placed on the practice squad then picked up by the Jags to participate on their 53. Jetfan80's rundown of players was based on what eventually happened to those players as Jets. George fate wasnt that he ended up being cut from the team. 

[joewilly12]

Texans claimed G/T Oday Aboushi off waivers from the Jets.

Aboushi started 10 games last season, but fell behind Willie Colon in training camp. He'll provide a swing option for the Texans. Aboushi is eligible to return this week after serving his one-game suspension.