Exposing The Real Problems, IMO

[lancemehl]

Right off the bad, I stand behind what I've said all year about Sanchez and about the NY fanbase. It is maddening how quickly they start burying someone...(Jeter's still spitting out dirt. lol). Personally, I still see a QB with all the goods, who has won the big game (four on the road) I'll keep quoting that stat because I want to see how many the great Matt Stafford ends up with in his whole career. Home or away .lol I still don't understand why a fan would turn on a QB they got with number six who has already won big and played big in spots and has comeback in big spots...BUT has been inconsistent....as has the entire team. His problem and everyone's problem (except Revis) is performance.

So, with the Sanchez thing out of the way, let's discuss some of the REAL problems that have led us here to 2-3 (and remember we were 4-5 two years ago.)

First and foremost, and the most disturbing to me, are the signs that the locker room is starting to catch the fan's 'vibe'' They're starting to blame each other. This doesn't resemble the tight knit team from last year...and now this quick move to shuttle Mason out the door indicates more unrest. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but remember that Plaxico is eerily quiet, sitting over there with 13 catches in four games and our 'co-captain,' champagne guzzling on twitter, Santonio Holmes has already floated out some 'stuff'' that basically says, "It was them." That type of thing could spiral out of control.

I think a main reason for the 'unrest' is what maybe the biggest reason we are here, and if we must blame one person for this year, it would have to be the guy who has been the shining star, Mike Tannebaum. If you think about it, he had a terrible off-season. Coming off a year where they finally knocked out the bully to represent the division in the AFC championship game, and were carrying that bitter taste in their mouth from Pittsburgh, the mission was simple. Only he fell asleep before sealing the deal. In fact, he sabotaged it.

The team that Rex and Tanny had built was finally coming to a head. All signs pointed to this being the year. Two things had to happen: Sanchez had to take the next step, on the one side, and pass rush needed to improve, which it seemed was the only thing needed to put the 2011 Jets in the discussion with some of the greats. There were some smaller issues, but that was basically it.

As far as the pass rush, they did draft two DL, but one has yet to see the field. They got Maybin, hooray, but for all intents and purposes, they are fielding the EXACT same defense that has been masking their weakness by blitzing every five minutes, or else the pocket is eternal. You could say what you want about the draft or the lack of FAs available, but the bottom line is that in three years, that has not been taken care of. I think they owe Revis some more dough.

As far as the second part. That was money in the bank. Sanchez had steadily progressed from year one to year two. He was having fun with his receivers, doing the plane and sh*t. Santonio got his contract. Sanchise is holding his own mini-camp. Things looked great. Then, in a surprise move, Mr. Tannebaum decides that instead of giving this young QB more weapons, he trims them. He replaces Cotchery and Braylen with Mason and Plax. I know they are now hurt, but that means nothing. You could say it wouldn't of happened here. But who wouldn't take Cotchery back right now? But there was NO reason to do that.... at all. We see now that Mason got kicked out the door for something. That was a move that was uncalled for, you may even say he was "wagging the dog". That along with sending Brad Smith off, stunted the natural growth, the beautiful blossoming, of this team of this team. IMO

Then there's the OL. We shouldn't downplay the fact that Mangold missed those two games where we got devastated at the LOS, but that shows how weak we have become in an area where we dominated. I don't understand the drop off at full strength, though. Slauson has been solid and threw some nice blocks in the loss against the Pats. Hunter has been good at times. they should be able to run the ball more effectively. Greene had to work his a$$ off to bang out 80 yards. It's ugly, and Sanchez isn't gonna last anyway if he takes those kinds of beatings every week. Cleaning up the sloppy penalties might help. Whether that lands on the players or their coach Bill Callahan, who knows?

But since we are calling out the offensive coaches, then it may finally be time to REALLY examine Schottenheimer and his playcalling. I'm not saying he can't correct it, but we have been mixed up from the beginning. First, he wanted to "pass more" and get Sanchez going, and when that didn't work, is when everyone found out we can't run. Then they had to announce to the world that they were going to run, and still couldn't do it too well. They now have no idea what they are doing. I don't know if it's the new guy they hired to 'help out' or the chemistry that we touched on; I know not having Brad Smith doesn't help, and I know they better correct it fast.

Yes, things have gone south in a hurry here. It is definitely gut-check time. We need to take a deep breathe and do this whole thing over. Just remember that in 09 we were 3-0, then we were 4-5. Remember which rookie QB got us into the playoffs that year. lol I pray these dudes get it together or disappointed isnt the word.First the Yankees, now there's no basketball, dont do this to us, Green.

But could you imagine the positive energy that could be produced if the ebtire fan base got behind their players instead of against them. I'm not sure if a place like that exists. but it's pretty much a matter of modern science that that's true.(imagine a fan base "willing" a team to win. Dont think it could happen? lol)

[Larz]

so we're down to the fans now

what's next, it's the green and white colors ?

[FloridaJetsFan]

Boy that's alot of words! Could you mix in a picture every now and then?

[Jetscode1]

Where are the leaders in this lockerroom?

The success of the Jets rests entirely on the character of the men in that lockerroom, not the character or behavior of the fans.

[Jetsfan80]

[JetsFanFromQueens]

I'll agree in regards to Sanchez. He's improving. Sanchez may only have a completion % of 56.1, and an overall QB rating of 80.4, but he's performed much better than his overall numbers. Especially when you consider the fact that he's worked with 3 WR's who weren't here last year, has quarterbacked behind awful offensive line play thus far, with a run game that's been next to nothing. Now, I understand that you can't erase the Ravens game, where he went 11/35, 0 TD's/1 INT and a QB rating of 30.5, but that game against the Ravens is what has destroyed his overall numbers. I can't blame Sanchez for our game against Baltimore either. Not even Joe Montana would have performed under those circumstances. Mangold was out, our run game was awful, we had a 3rd string rookie at center, our offensive line fell apart, and Sanchez had no time to throw the football. An all around offensive disaster.

Outside of the Ravens game, overall, he's impressed. Outside of the Baltimore disaster, Sanchez has gone 86/138, 1052 yards, 8 TD's/5 INT's with QB ratings of 85.8, 88.7, 93.8 and 105.6. That's an average QB rating of 93.4 against the Cowboys, Jaguars, Raiders and Patriots. He's also improved his accuracy and completion % (outside of the Ravens). 59.1%, 70.8%, 61.4% and 61.5%. That's an average completion % of 63.2 against those 4 teams. So, outside of the Ravens games, he's had an average completion % and QB rating of 63.2% with a QB rating of 93.4. But yet, because of the Ravens game, where he stood no chance, his QB rating dropped to 80.4 and his completion % fell to 56.1. Say what you say about Sanchez during that Baltimore debacle, but it's obvious that he's improved this season, just as he improved during his sophmore season when compared to his rookie year. He's a developing franchise QB, and he's on the right track as a 3rd year quarterback.

As far as blaming Tanny, for a "bad offseason"? That's a joke.

The only players who we're currently missing as of right now, from last year, has to be Tony Richardson and Damien Woody by default, for the simple fact Hunter has been less than impressive. I hold high hopes for John Conner, but he's no Richardson. Not many are. We're talking about a future HOF lead blocker, one who's led the way for backs such as Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Adrian Peterson and even our very own such as Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene. After watching our team thus far through 5 weeks, Richardson is the player I miss most. I'm not willing to throw our front office under the bus though, because both players were aging. But I do believe that both Greene and Tomlinson miss having arguably the greatest run blocking FB of our generation.

It's kind of hard to say that losing players such as Coleman, Ihedigbo and Lowery have hurt this team, considering the fact that we've been stout against the pass. Lowery is a player that I would have enjoyed at S in replace of Eric Smith, but then again, who's to say Lowery wouldn't become nothing more than a project-failure at safety...

Shaun Ellis: 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles. He's done.

Trevor Pryce: Has yet to find an NFL home thus far through 5 weeks.

Cotchery: 0 receptions, 0 yards, 0 TD's. Even with future playing time in Pittsburgh, this is another Jet that'll always be a shell of what he once was as a Jet. We've seen the best of Cotchery, who's body is breaking down.

Brad Smith: What happened to Chan Gailey turning Brad Smith into a Kordell Stewart type of slash? It's yet to happen. Smith has gone 0/1 as a QB. Has only rushed for 44 yards and 1 TD. Only two receptions for 25 yards. And last but not least, has been a non factor as a kick returner. Mike Westhoff was underrated in regards to Brad Smith's success here in NY. One of the most overrated Jets I've ever seen (especially during the offseason).

Braylon Edwards: Has been hurt, and has only played in two games. 4 receptions for 48 yards and 0 TD's. I would have loved to have Edwards back, but he's never been worth the type of money that he's currently looking for.

Vernon Gholston: It's looking as if Gholston can't find a home. Shocker.

Jason Taylor: 4 games, has only recorded 3 tackles and 1 sack. At the old age of 37, he's done as well.

Where am I going with this, lets just say that both Tannenbaum and Rex knew what they were doing in regards to our offseason plans.

Pryce was done as a defensive end, and it's been more than obvious that Wilkerson is the truth. Big upgrade over Shaun Ellis thus far. Brad Smith has been replaced by Joe McKnight, and McKnight is having a much better season when compared to Brad. McKnight looks to be a Leon 2.0. Say what you say about both Cotchery and Edwards not being here, but Plaxico and Kerley have both put up better prodcution with the Jets, than those two have with their respected teams. Vernon Gholston has continued to bust and both Westerman and now Maybin have contributed more to the Jets, than what Taylor has for the Dolphins.

If the Jets were the Steelers, the media would without question, praise the Jets for allowing these players to walk sooner, rather than later ala Jerome Bettis, Alan Faneca, Kimo von Oelhoffen etc.

[CTM]

lulz... not tanny's fault,. not sanchez's, not rex's, it's the fans and schott..

good news is that we'll win next week and both sides can settle down

[#27TheDominator]

The idea that Sanchez has somehow had this massive improvement in 2011, while absolving him for sucking in the past because the team was good is a complete crock of sh*t. Anything Sanchez did in the past was covered by "yeah, but we won". When teams are losing they throw more. It is also easier to throw because teams don't care about giving up yardage. I'm not impressed with his "improvement" so far.

[JiFtheOracle]

Holy sh*t!

Those are the 2 longest post in the history of the interwebz. This thread is a true case for too long, didnt read.

[Jetsfan80]

Right off the bad, I stand behind what I've said all year about Sanchez and about the NY fanbase. It is maddening how quickly they start burying someone...(Jeter's still spitting out dirt. lol). Personally, I still see a QB with all the goods, who has won the big game (four on the road) I'll keep quoting that stat because I want to see how many the great Matt Stafford ends up with in his whole career. Home or away .lol I still don't understand why a fan would turn on a QB they got with number six who has already won big and played big in spots and has comeback in big spots...BUT has been inconsistent....as has the entire team. His problem and everyone's problem (except Revis) is performance.

So, with the Sanchez thing out of the way, let's discuss some of the REAL problems that have led us here to 2-3 (and remember we were 4-5 two years ago.)

First and foremost, and the most disturbing to me, are the signs that the locker room is starting to catch the fan's 'vibe'' They're starting to blame each other. This doesn't resemble the tight knit team from last year...and now this quick move to shuttle Mason out the door indicates more unrest. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but remember that Plaxico is eerily quiet, sitting over there with 13 catches in four games and our 'co-captain,' champagne guzzling on twitter, Santonio Holmes has already floated out some 'stuff'' that basically says, "It was them." That type of thing could spiral out of control.

I think a main reason for the 'unrest' is what maybe the biggest reason we are here, and if we must blame one person for this year, it would have to be the guy who has been the shining star, Mike Tannebaum. If you think about it, he had a terrible off-season. Coming off a year where they finally knocked out the bully to represent the division in the AFC championship game, and were carrying that bitter taste in their mouth from Pittsburgh, the mission was simple. Only he fell asleep before sealing the deal. In fact, he sabotaged it.

The team that Rex and Tanny had built was finally coming to a head. All signs pointed to this being the year. Two things had to happen: Sanchez had to take the next step, on the one side, and pass rush needed to improve, which it seemed was the only thing needed to put the 2011 Jets in the discussion with some of the greats. There were some smaller issues, but that was basically it.

As far as the pass rush, they did draft two DL, but one has yet to see the field. They got Maybin, hooray, but for all intents and purposes, they are fielding the EXACT same defense that has been masking their weakness by blitzing every five minutes, or else the pocket is eternal. You could say what you want about the draft or the lack of FAs available, but the bottom line is that in three years, that has not been taken care of. I think they owe Revis some more dough.

As far as the second part. That was money in the bank. Sanchez had steadily progressed from year one to year two. He was having fun with his receivers, doing the plane and sh*t. Santonio got his contract. Sanchise is holding his own mini-camp. Things looked great. Then, in a surprise move, Mr. Tannebaum decides that instead of giving this young QB more weapons, he trims them. He replaces Cotchery and Braylen with Mason and Plax. I know they are now hurt, but that means nothing. You could say it wouldn't of happened here. But who wouldn't take Cotchery back right now? But there was NO reason to do that.... at all. We see now that Mason got kicked out the door for something. That was a move that was uncalled for, you may even say he was "wagging the dog". That along with sending Brad Smith off, stunted the natural growth, the beautiful blossoming, of this team of this team. IMO

Then there's the OL. We shouldn't downplay the fact that Mangold missed those two games where we got devastated at the LOS, but that shows how weak we have become in an area where we dominated. I don't understand the drop off at full strength, though. Slauson has been solid and threw some nice blocks in the loss against the Pats. Hunter has been good at times. they should be able to run the ball more effectively. Greene had to work his a$$ off to bang out 80 yards. It's ugly, and Sanchez isn't gonna last anyway if he takes those kinds of beatings every week. Cleaning up the sloppy penalties might help. Whether that lands on the players or their coach Bill Callahan, who knows?

But since we are calling out the offensive coaches, then it may finally be time to REALLY examine Schottenheimer and his playcalling. I'm not saying he can't correct it, but we have been mixed up from the beginning. First, he wanted to "pass more" and get Sanchez going, and when that didn't work, is when everyone found out we can't run. Then they had to announce to the world that they were going to run, and still couldn't do it too well. They now have no idea what they are doing. I don't know if it's the new guy they hired to 'help out' or the chemistry that we touched on; I know not having Brad Smith doesn't help, and I know they better correct it fast.

Yes, things have gone south in a hurry here. It is definitely gut-check time. We need to take a deep breathe and do this whole thing over. Just remember that in 09 we were 3-0, then we were 4-5. Remember which rookie QB got us into the playoffs that year. lol I pray these dudes get it together or disappointed isnt the word.First the Yankees, now there's no basketball, dont do this to us, Green.

But could you imagine the positive energy that could be produced if the ebtire fan base got behind their players instead of against them. I'm not sure if a place like that exists. but it's pretty much a matter of modern science that that's true.(imagine a fan base "willing" a team to win. Dont think it could happen? lol)

I'll agree in regards to Sanchez. He's improving. Sanchez may only have a completion % of 56.1, and an overall QB rating of 80.4, but he's performed much better than his overall numbers. Especially when you consider the fact that he's worked with 3 WR's who weren't here last year, has quarterbacked behind awful offensive line play thus far, with a run game that's been next to nothing. Now, I understand that you can't erase the Ravens game, where he went 11/35, 0 TD's/1 INT and a QB rating of 30.5, but that game against the Ravens is what has destroyed his overall numbers. I can't blame Sanchez for our game against Baltimore either. Not even Joe Montana would have performed under those circumstances. Mangold was out, our run game was awful, we had a 3rd string rookie at center, our offensive line fell apart, and Sanchez had no time to throw the football. An all around offensive disaster.

Outside of the Ravens game, overall, he's impressed. Outside of the Baltimore disaster, Sanchez has gone 86/138, 1052 yards, 8 TD's/5 INT's with QB ratings of 85.8, 88.7, 93.8 and 105.6. That's an average QB rating of 93.4 against the Cowboys, Jaguars, Raiders and Patriots. He's also improved his accuracy and completion % (outside of the Ravens). 59.1%, 70.8%, 61.4% and 61.5%. That's an average completion % of 63.2 against those 4 teams. So, outside of the Ravens games, he's had an average completion % and QB rating of 63.2% with a QB rating of 93.4. But yet, because of the Ravens game, where he stood no chance, his QB rating dropped to 80.4 and his completion % fell to 56.1. Say what you say about Sanchez during that Baltimore debacle, but it's obvious that he's improved this season, just as he improved during his sophmore season when compared to his rookie year. He's a developing franchise QB, and he's on the right track as a 3rd year quarterback.

As far as blaming Tanny, for a "bad offseason"? That's a joke.

The only players who we're currently missing as of right now, from last year, has to be Tony Richardson and Damien Woody by default, for the simple fact Hunter has been less than impressive. I hold high hopes for John Conner, but he's no Richardson. Not many are. We're talking about a future HOF lead blocker, one who's led the way for backs such as Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Adrian Peterson and even our very own such as Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene. After watching our team thus far through 5 weeks, Richardson is the player I miss most. I'm not willing to throw our front office under the bus though, because both players were aging. But I do believe that both Greene and Tomlinson miss having arguably the greatest run blocking FB of our generation.

It's kind of hard to say that losing players such as Coleman, Ihedigbo and Lowery have hurt this team, considering the fact that we've been stout against the pass. Lowery is a player that I would have enjoyed at S in replace of Eric Smith, but then again, who's to say Lowery wouldn't become nothing more than a project-failure at safety...

Shaun Ellis: 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles. He's done.

Trevor Pryce: Has yet to find an NFL home thus far through 5 weeks.

Cotchery: 0 receptions, 0 yards, 0 TD's. Even with future playing time in Pittsburgh, this is another Jet that'll always be a shell of what he once was as a Jet. We've seen the best of Cotchery, who's body is breaking down.

Brad Smith: What happened to Chan Gailey turning Brad Smith into a Kordell Stewart type of slash? It's yet to happen. Smith has gone 0/1 as a QB. Has only rushed for 44 yards and 1 TD. Only two receptions for 25 yards. And last but not least, has been a non factor as a kick returner. Mike Westhoff was underrated in regards to Brad Smith's success here in NY. One of the most overrated Jets I've ever seen (especially during the offseason).

Braylon Edwards: Has been hurt, and has only played in two games. 4 receptions for 48 yards and 0 TD's. I would have loved to have Edwards back, but he's never been worth the type of money that he's currently looking for.

Vernon Gholston: It's looking as if Gholston can't find a home. Shocker.

Jason Taylor: 4 games, has only recorded 3 tackles and 1 sack. At the old age of 37, he's done as well.

Where am I going with this, lets just say that both Tannenbaum and Rex knew what they were doing in regards to our offseason plans.

Pryce was done as a defensive end, and it's been more than obvious that Wilkerson is the truth. Big upgrade over Shaun Ellis thus far. Brad Smith has been replaced by Joe McKnight, and McKnight is having a much better season when compared to Brad. McKnight looks to be a Leon 2.0. Say what you say about both Cotchery and Edwards not being here, but Plaxico and Kerley have both put up better prodcution with the Jets, than those two have with their respected teams. Vernon Gholston has continued to bust and both Westerman and now Maybin have contributed more to the Jets, than what Taylor has for the Dolphins.

If the Jets were the Steelers, the media would without question, praise the Jets for allowing these players to walk sooner, rather than later ala Jerome Bettis, Alan Faneca, Kimo von Oelhoffen etc.

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[jason423]

I cant understand how the fanbase can turn on Tannebaum. They proclaimed him a genius when we fluked to 10 wins in 2006, sucked in 2007, and were mediocre in 2008, but now hes a dud after two trips to the AFC Title game? What they put together these last two years was really impressive. Most teams in the NFL dont do it and he gets a 100% pass in my book for the season. Rex will get a pass too for the bottom line results. They can be criticized for repeating the same mistakes over and over, such as the continual disasters in getting 11 men on the field, but a down year is just that. In Tannenbaums case most of the recent criticism was based on trading draft picks, but he hasnt done much of that these last two years. The Jets havent drafted well. Its a failure, but it was a failure when everyone was signing the praises of the guy too.

Bottom line is we dont have an elite QB. Unless you have an elite QB you can not pencil a team in for the playoffs every season. The Jets know it. Next year they will make a play for a veteran backup that can actually play rather than a mentor on the bench and then re-examine the options in the field come 2013.

[T0mShane]

I cant understand how the fanbase can turn on Tannebaum.

Tannenbaum's star is going to be hitched to Sanchez from here on out, I think. There seems to be attrition on defense and in the OL, and nobody is ready to blame Rex for anything. If Sanchez can't be at least adequate enough to keep the team in playoff contention this year, the fans will need a head to roll. Who better than the guy who burned the fifth overall pick on him?

[T0mShane]

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[Il Mostro]

Right off the bad, I stand behind what I've said all year about Sanchez and about the NY fanbase. It is maddening how quickly they start burying someone...(Jeter's still spitting out dirt. lol). Personally, I still see a QB with all the goods, who has won the big game (four on the road) I'll keep quoting that stat because I want to see how many the great Matt Stafford ends up with in his whole career. Home or away .lol I still don't understand why a fan would turn on a QB they got with number six who has already won big and played big in spots and has comeback in big spots...BUT has been inconsistent....as has the entire team. His problem and everyone's problem (except Revis) is performance.

So, with the Sanchez thing out of the way, let's discuss some of the REAL problems that have led us here to 2-3 (and remember we were 4-5 two years ago.)

First and foremost, and the most disturbing to me, are the signs that the locker room is starting to catch the fan's 'vibe'' They're starting to blame each other. This doesn't resemble the tight knit team from last year...and now this quick move to shuttle Mason out the door indicates more unrest. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but remember that Plaxico is eerily quiet, sitting over there with 13 catches in four games and our 'co-captain,' champagne guzzling on twitter, Santonio Holmes has already floated out some 'stuff'' that basically says, "It was them." That type of thing could spiral out of control.

I think a main reason for the 'unrest' is what maybe the biggest reason we are here, and if we must blame one person for this year, it would have to be the guy who has been the shining star, Mike Tannebaum. If you think about it, he had a terrible off-season. Coming off a year where they finally knocked out the bully to represent the division in the AFC championship game, and were carrying that bitter taste in their mouth from Pittsburgh, the mission was simple. Only he fell asleep before sealing the deal. In fact, he sabotaged it.

The team that Rex and Tanny had built was finally coming to a head. All signs pointed to this being the year. Two things had to happen: Sanchez had to take the next step, on the one side, and pass rush needed to improve, which it seemed was the only thing needed to put the 2011 Jets in the discussion with some of the greats. There were some smaller issues, but that was basically it.

As far as the pass rush, they did draft two DL, but one has yet to see the field. They got Maybin, hooray, but for all intents and purposes, they are fielding the EXACT same defense that has been masking their weakness by blitzing every five minutes, or else the pocket is eternal. You could say what you want about the draft or the lack of FAs available, but the bottom line is that in three years, that has not been taken care of. I think they owe Revis some more dough.

As far as the second part. That was money in the bank. Sanchez had steadily progressed from year one to year two. He was having fun with his receivers, doing the plane and sh*t. Santonio got his contract. Sanchise is holding his own mini-camp. Things looked great. Then, in a surprise move, Mr. Tannebaum decides that instead of giving this young QB more weapons, he trims them. He replaces Cotchery and Braylen with Mason and Plax. I know they are now hurt, but that means nothing. You could say it wouldn't of happened here. But who wouldn't take Cotchery back right now? But there was NO reason to do that.... at all. We see now that Mason got kicked out the door for something. That was a move that was uncalled for, you may even say he was "wagging the dog". That along with sending Brad Smith off, stunted the natural growth, the beautiful blossoming, of this team of this team. IMO

Then there's the OL. We shouldn't downplay the fact that Mangold missed those two games where we got devastated at the LOS, but that shows how weak we have become in an area where we dominated. I don't understand the drop off at full strength, though. Slauson has been solid and threw some nice blocks in the loss against the Pats. Hunter has been good at times. they should be able to run the ball more effectively. Greene had to work his a$$ off to bang out 80 yards. It's ugly, and Sanchez isn't gonna last anyway if he takes those kinds of beatings every week. Cleaning up the sloppy penalties might help. Whether that lands on the players or their coach Bill Callahan, who knows?

But since we are calling out the offensive coaches, then it may finally be time to REALLY examine Schottenheimer and his playcalling. I'm not saying he can't correct it, but we have been mixed up from the beginning. First, he wanted to "pass more" and get Sanchez going, and when that didn't work, is when everyone found out we can't run. Then they had to announce to the world that they were going to run, and still couldn't do it too well. They now have no idea what they are doing. I don't know if it's the new guy they hired to 'help out' or the chemistry that we touched on; I know not having Brad Smith doesn't help, and I know they better correct it fast.

Yes, things have gone south in a hurry here. It is definitely gut-check time. We need to take a deep breathe and do this whole thing over. Just remember that in 09 we were 3-0, then we were 4-5. Remember which rookie QB got us into the playoffs that year. lol I pray these dudes get it together or disappointed isnt the word.First the Yankees, now there's no basketball, dont do this to us, Green.

But could you imagine the positive energy that could be produced if the ebtire fan base got behind their players instead of against them. I'm not sure if a place like that exists. but it's pretty much a matter of modern science that that's true.(imagine a fan base "willing" a team to win. Dont think it could happen? lol)

I'll agree in regards to Sanchez. He's improving. Sanchez may only have a completion % of 56.1, and an overall QB rating of 80.4, but he's performed much better than his overall numbers. Especially when you consider the fact that he's worked with 3 WR's who weren't here last year, has quarterbacked behind awful offensive line play thus far, with a run game that's been next to nothing. Now, I understand that you can't erase the Ravens game, where he went 11/35, 0 TD's/1 INT and a QB rating of 30.5, but that game against the Ravens is what has destroyed his overall numbers. I can't blame Sanchez for our game against Baltimore either. Not even Joe Montana would have performed under those circumstances. Mangold was out, our run game was awful, we had a 3rd string rookie at center, our offensive line fell apart, and Sanchez had no time to throw the football. An all around offensive disaster.

Outside of the Ravens game, overall, he's impressed. Outside of the Baltimore disaster, Sanchez has gone 86/138, 1052 yards, 8 TD's/5 INT's with QB ratings of 85.8, 88.7, 93.8 and 105.6. That's an average QB rating of 93.4 against the Cowboys, Jaguars, Raiders and Patriots. He's also improved his accuracy and completion % (outside of the Ravens). 59.1%, 70.8%, 61.4% and 61.5%. That's an average completion % of 63.2 against those 4 teams. So, outside of the Ravens games, he's had an average completion % and QB rating of 63.2% with a QB rating of 93.4. But yet, because of the Ravens game, where he stood no chance, his QB rating dropped to 80.4 and his completion % fell to 56.1. Say what you say about Sanchez during that Baltimore debacle, but it's obvious that he's improved this season, just as he improved during his sophmore season when compared to his rookie year. He's a developing franchise QB, and he's on the right track as a 3rd year quarterback.

As far as blaming Tanny, for a "bad offseason"? That's a joke.

The only players who we're currently missing as of right now, from last year, has to be Tony Richardson and Damien Woody by default, for the simple fact Hunter has been less than impressive. I hold high hopes for John Conner, but he's no Richardson. Not many are. We're talking about a future HOF lead blocker, one who's led the way for backs such as Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Adrian Peterson and even our very own such as Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene. After watching our team thus far through 5 weeks, Richardson is the player I miss most. I'm not willing to throw our front office under the bus though, because both players were aging. But I do believe that both Greene and Tomlinson miss having arguably the greatest run blocking FB of our generation.

It's kind of hard to say that losing players such as Coleman, Ihedigbo and Lowery have hurt this team, considering the fact that we've been stout against the pass. Lowery is a player that I would have enjoyed at S in replace of Eric Smith, but then again, who's to say Lowery wouldn't become nothing more than a project-failure at safety...

Shaun Ellis: 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles. He's done.

Trevor Pryce: Has yet to find an NFL home thus far through 5 weeks.

Cotchery: 0 receptions, 0 yards, 0 TD's. Even with future playing time in Pittsburgh, this is another Jet that'll always be a shell of what he once was as a Jet. We've seen the best of Cotchery, who's body is breaking down.

Brad Smith: What happened to Chan Gailey turning Brad Smith into a Kordell Stewart type of slash? It's yet to happen. Smith has gone 0/1 as a QB. Has only rushed for 44 yards and 1 TD. Only two receptions for 25 yards. And last but not least, has been a non factor as a kick returner. Mike Westhoff was underrated in regards to Brad Smith's success here in NY. One of the most overrated Jets I've ever seen (especially during the offseason).

Braylon Edwards: Has been hurt, and has only played in two games. 4 receptions for 48 yards and 0 TD's. I would have loved to have Edwards back, but he's never been worth the type of money that he's currently looking for.

Vernon Gholston: It's looking as if Gholston can't find a home. Shocker.

Jason Taylor: 4 games, has only recorded 3 tackles and 1 sack. At the old age of 37, he's done as well.

Where am I going with this, lets just say that both Tannenbaum and Rex knew what they were doing in regards to our offseason plans.

Pryce was done as a defensive end, and it's been more than obvious that Wilkerson is the truth. Big upgrade over Shaun Ellis thus far. Brad Smith has been replaced by Joe McKnight, and McKnight is having a much better season when compared to Brad. McKnight looks to be a Leon 2.0. Say what you say about both Cotchery and Edwards not being here, but Plaxico and Kerley have both put up better prodcution with the Jets, than those two have with their respected teams. Vernon Gholston has continued to bust and both Westerman and now Maybin have contributed more to the Jets, than what Taylor has for the Dolphins.

If the Jets were the Steelers, the media would without question, praise the Jets for allowing these players to walk sooner, rather than later ala Jerome Bettis, Alan Faneca, Kimo von Oelhoffen etc.

Separated at birth, or still velcro'd at the hip?

[JiFtheOracle]

I cant understand how the fanbase can turn on Tannebaum. They proclaimed him a genius when we fluked to 10 wins in 2006, sucked in 2007, and were mediocre in 2008, but now hes a dud after two trips to the AFC Title game? What they put together these last two years was really impressive. Most teams in the NFL dont do it and he gets a 100% pass in my book for the season. Rex will get a pass too for the bottom line results. They can be criticized for repeating the same mistakes over and over, such as the continual disasters in getting 11 men on the field, but a down year is just that. In Tannenbaums case most of the recent criticism was based on trading draft picks, but he hasnt done much of that these last two years. The Jets havent drafted well. Its a failure, but it was a failure when everyone was signing the praises of the guy too.

Bottom line is we dont have an elite QB. Unless you have an elite QB you can not pencil a team in for the playoffs every season. The Jets know it. Next year they will make a play for a veteran backup that can actually play rather than a mentor on the bench and then re-examine the options in the field come 2013.

I agree 100%. The guy has gathered the most talent on any Jets team I've ever seen. And he's done it by not being afraid to make mistake. Thats what good GM's do. You have to take chances occasionally. His have been calculated and by in large, worked out. Dont get the hate at all. Not even for this offseason, even with hindsight. He had a ton of FA's to resign, got the core in and added some low costing high reward FA's. The OL looked like a strength going into the season. And I dont really think his drafts have been bad. He's had 1 horrible pick and we'll see with Sanchez (doenst look good) but all the others have been pretty good IMO.

[Bleedin Green]

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[Bleedin Green]

Holy sh*t!

Those are the 2 longest post in the history of the interwebz. This thread is a true case for too long, didnt read.

Looks like it's time for me to up my game.

[flgreen]

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How long did it take you to do that? Just wondering

[flgreen]

Looks like it's time for me to up my game.

Ah man. This thread could become a classic

[Jetsfan80]

How long did it take you to do that? Just wondering

Not long. The trick is to write, say, 3 "tl;dr"s. Then you copy the 3 tldr's and paste them a few times. Then you copy and paste the whole thing. And so on and so forth. That way they grow exponentially.

[sirlancemehlot]

Allow me to summarize: The whale is a metaphor for God.

hehehe

[FloridaJetsFan]

Wait - is this like my old Atari???

[Iceman88]

Players and coaches don't give a sh*t about fans, you are seriously trying to blame us for the offensive coaching staff being beyond horrific?

[#27TheDominator]

Not long. The trick is to write, say, 3 "tl;dr"s. Then you copy the 3 tldr's and paste them a few times. Then you copy and paste the whole thing. And so on and so forth. That way they grow exponentially.

[THE ILK]

Allow me to summarize: The whale is a metaphor for God.

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.

[jason423]

Tannenbaum's star is going to be hitched to Sanchez from here on out, I think. There seems to be attrition on defense and in the OL, and nobody is ready to blame Rex for anything. If Sanchez can't be at least adequate enough to keep the team in playoff contention this year, the fans will need a head to roll. Who better than the guy who burned the fifth overall pick on him?

I can buy that for the fans who didnt go ga-ga over him the first few years here was here. I never thought he did a bad job by any means but I never understood the faction that said he was the best GM or among the best GMs in the NFL.The team went to 1 playoff game in 3 years. Pretty much 70% of the NFL does that. Even 1 trip to the AFC Championship game just put the Jets on par with more or less half the NFL for a 4-5 year run. Revis was a fantastic pick, but to grab a good left tackle at the top of the draft and a great center in the first round isnt rocket science. Almost everyone picked in those positions turn into all stars. Its no different than all the people that had this man-crush on Mangini until the Jets crashed in late December. The writing was on the wall in 2007 and parts of 2008 about how much of a disaster he was as a coach. The 2008 implosion was no different than his entire body of work, they just happened to come all in a row to make it more blatant.

But I cant see how anyone that said Tanny was the best in the NFL from 2006-2008 can now turn on him for drafting Sanchez. If he was great with Chad, Clemens, and Favre those same people should be erecting a statue for him for the last two years with Rex and Mark. I think thats the part I just cant wrap my head around.

[dbatesman]

Tannenbaum's star is going to be hitched to Sanchez from here on out, I think. There seems to be attrition on defense and in the OL, and nobody is ready to blame Rex for anything. If Sanchez can't be at least adequate enough to keep the team in playoff contention this year, the fans will need a head to roll. Who better than the guy who burned the fifth overall pick on him?

Yeah, except that creates an entirely new problem. Tannenbaum predates Rex and he still got on board with drafting Sanchez essentially on the basis that he was, like, totally the most popular guy in the whole 7th grade. Why should we expect better results from someone whose power is undermined before he even sets foot in the building?

[Sperm Edwards]

I can buy that for the fans who didnt go ga-ga over him the first few years here was here. I never thought he did a bad job by any means but I never understood the faction that said he was the best GM or among the best GMs in the NFL.The team went to 1 playoff game in 3 years. Pretty much 70% of the NFL does that. Even 1 trip to the AFC Championship game just put the Jets on par with more or less half the NFL for a 4-5 year run. Revis was a fantastic pick, but to grab a good left tackle at the top of the draft and a great center in the first round isnt rocket science. Almost everyone picked in those positions turn into all stars. Its no different than all the people that had this man-crush on Mangini until the Jets crashed in late December. The writing was on the wall in 2007 and parts of 2008 about how much of a disaster he was as a coach. The 2008 implosion was no different than his entire body of work, they just happened to come all in a row to make it more blatant.

But I cant see how anyone that said Tanny was the best in the NFL from 2006-2008 can now turn on him for drafting Sanchez. If he was great with Chad, Clemens, and Favre those same people should be erecting a statue for him for the last two years with Rex and Mark. I think thats the part I just cant wrap my head around.

There was no guarantee he'd still be where we picked.

We didn't trade up to get him.

We had no center on the team since we'd just cut Mawae a month prior and let Goodwin hit FA.

Truth is we gambled and got stupid-lucky landing Mangold. But the point is the same as yours: it's hardly an example of genius.

[Smashmouth]

Thats nice ...so why feel the need to even bother posting ?

[Aten]

Yeah, except that creates an entirely new problem. Tannenbaum predates Rex and he still got on board with drafting Sanchez essentially on the basis that he was, like, totally the most popular guy in the whole 7th grade. Why should we expect better results from someone whose power is undermined before he even sets foot in the building?

It basically comes down to luck and people's stubborn refusal to recognize how outcome-determinative it really is. We spent years alternating seasons of suprising relative success fueled by soft schedules followed by heightened expectations getting crushed by injuries, Woody overreacting hysterically every step of the way, most pertinently to the present predicament after 2007 when by all appearances he seems to have elevated Tannenbaum over Mangini in the pecking order. That's when everything started to go to hell.

[Matt39]

Yeah, except that creates an entirely new problem. Tannenbaum predates Rex and he still got on board with drafting Sanchez essentially on the basis that he was, like, totally the most popular guy in the whole 7th grade. Why should we expect better results from someone whose power is undermined before he even sets foot in the building?

Not really though. Every draftnik was fairly high on Sanchez as a football player.

[Integrity28]

Boy that's alot of words! Could you mix in a picture every now and then?

Or a line break... wall of text.

[will]

Where are the leaders in this lockerroom?

The success of the Jets rests entirely on the character of the men in that lockerroom, not the character or behavior of the fans.

Despite the unfortunate Schlegel pick, Mangini was very good at identifying these guys.

[Sperm Edwards]

Despite the unfortunate Schlegel pick, Mangini was very good at identifying these guys.

When we sacrifice talent for leadership qualities, blame the Jets for doing so.

When we sacrifice leadership qualities for talent, blame the Jets for doing so.

We should only be signing and drafting great players with great leadership qualities. Why can't they see that's what they need to do. It's so obvious and they are so dumb.

[Boozer76]

Right off the bad, I stand behind what I've said all year about Sanchez and about the NY fanbase. It is maddening how quickly they start burying someone...(Jeter's still spitting out dirt. lol). Personally, I still see a QB with all the goods, who has won the big game (four on the road) I'll keep quoting that stat because I want to see how many the great Matt Stafford ends up with in his whole career. Home or away .lol I still don't understand why a fan would turn on a QB they got with number six who has already won big and played big in spots and has comeback in big spots...BUT has been inconsistent....as has the entire team. His problem and everyone's problem (except Revis) is performance. So, with the Sanchez thing out of the way, let's discuss some of the REAL problems that have led us here to 2-3 (and remember we were 4-5 two years ago.)

First and foremost, and the most disturbing to me, are the signs that the locker room is starting to catch the fan's 'vibe'' They're starting to blame each other. This doesn't resemble the tight knit team from last year...and now this quick move to shuttle Mason out the door indicates more unrest. I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt, but remember that Plaxico is eerily quiet, sitting over there with 13 catches in four games and our 'co-captain,' champagne guzzling on twitter, Santonio Holmes has already floated out some 'stuff'' that basically says, "It was them." That type of thing could spiral out of control.

I think a main reason for the 'unrest' is what maybe the biggest reason we are here, and if we must blame one person for this year, it would have to be the guy who has been the shining star, Mike Tannebaum. If you think about it, he had a terrible off-season. Coming off a year where they finally knocked out the bully to represent the division in the AFC championship game, and were carrying that bitter taste in their mouth from Pittsburgh, the mission was simple. Only he fell asleep before sealing the deal. In fact, he sabotaged it.

The team that Rex and Tanny had built was finally coming to a head. All signs pointed to this being the year. Two things had to happen: Sanchez had to take the next step, on the one side, and pass rush needed to improve, which it seemed was the only thing needed to put the 2011 Jets in the discussion with some of the greats. There were some smaller issues, but that was basically it.

As far as the pass rush, they did draft two DL, but one has yet to see the field. They got Maybin, hooray, but for all intents and purposes, they are fielding the EXACT same defense that has been masking their weakness by blitzing every five minutes, or else the pocket is eternal. You could say what you want about the draft or the lack of FAs available, but the bottom line is that in three years, that has not been taken care of. I think they owe Revis some more dough.

As far as the second part. That was money in the bank. Sanchez had steadily progressed from year one to year two. He was having fun with his receivers, doing the plane and sh*t. Santonio got his contract. Sanchise is holding his own mini-camp. Things looked great. Then, in a surprise move, Mr. Tannebaum decides that instead of giving this young QB more weapons, he trims them. He replaces Cotchery and Braylen with Mason and Plax. I know they are now hurt, but that means nothing. You could say it wouldn't of happened here. But who wouldn't take Cotchery back right now? But there was NO reason to do that.... at all. We see now that Mason got kicked out the door for something. That was a move that was uncalled for, you may even say he was "wagging the dog". That along with sending Brad Smith off, stunted the natural growth, the beautiful blossoming, of this team of this team. IMO

Then there's the OL. We shouldn't downplay the fact that Mangold missed those two games where we got devastated at the LOS, but that shows how weak we have become in an area where we dominated. I don't understand the drop off at full strength, though. Slauson has been solid and threw some nice blocks in the loss against the Pats. Hunter has been good at times. they should be able to run the ball more effectively. Greene had to work his a$$ off to bang out 80 yards. It's ugly, and Sanchez isn't gonna last anyway if he takes those kinds of beatings every week. Cleaning up the sloppy penalties might help. Whether that lands on the players or their coach Bill Callahan, who knows?

But since we are calling out the offensive coaches, then it may finally be time to REALLY examine Schottenheimer and his playcalling. I'm not saying he can't correct it, but we have been mixed up from the beginning. First, he wanted to "pass more" and get Sanchez going, and when that didn't work, is when everyone found out we can't run. Then they had to announce to the world that they were going to run, and still couldn't do it too well. They now have no idea what they are doing. I don't know if it's the new guy they hired to 'help out' or the chemistry that we touched on; I know not having Brad Smith doesn't help, and I know they better correct it fast.

Yes, things have gone south in a hurry here. It is definitely gut-check time. We need to take a deep breathe and do this whole thing over. Just remember that in 09 we were 3-0, then we were 4-5. Remember which rookie QB got us into the playoffs that year. lol I pray these dudes get it together or disappointed isnt the word.First the Yankees, now there's no basketball, dont do this to us, Green.

But could you imagine the positive energy that could be produced if the ebtire fan base got behind their players instead of against them. I'm not sure if a place like that exists. but it's pretty much a matter of modern science that that's true.(imagine a fan base "willing" a team to win. Dont think it could happen? lol)

I'll agree in regards to Sanchez. He's improving. Sanchez may only have a completion % of 56.1, and an overall QB rating of 80.4, but he's performed much better than his overall numbers. Especially when you consider the fact that he's worked with 3 WR's who weren't here last year, has quarterbacked behind awful offensive line play thus far, with a run game that's been next to nothing. Now, I understand that you can't erase the Ravens game, where he went 11/35, 0 TD's/1 INT and a QB rating of 30.5, but that game against the Ravens is what has destroyed his overall numbers. I can't blame Sanchez for our game against Baltimore either. Not even Joe Montana would have performed under those circumstances. Mangold was out, our run game was awful, we had a 3rd string rookie at center, our offensive line fell apart, and Sanchez had no time to throw the football. An all around offensive disaster. Outside of the Ravens game, overall, he's impressed. Outside of the Baltimore disaster, Sanchez has gone 86/138, 1052 yards, 8 TD's/5 INT's with QB ratings of 85.8, 88.7, 93.8 and 105.6. That's an average QB rating of 93.4 against the Cowboys, Jaguars, Raiders and Patriots. He's also improved his accuracy and completion % (outside of the Ravens). 59.1%, 70.8%, 61.4% and 61.5%. That's an average completion % of 63.2 against those 4 teams. So, outside of the Ravens games, he's had an average completion % and QB rating of 63.2% with a QB rating of 93.4. But yet, because of the Ravens game, where he stood no chance, his QB rating dropped to 80.4 and his completion % fell to 56.1. Say what you say about Sanchez during that Baltimore debacle, but it's obvious that he's improved this season, just as he improved during his sophmore season when compared to his rookie year. He's a developing franchise QB, and he's on the right track as a 3rd year quarterback.

As far as blaming Tanny, for a "bad offseason"? That's a joke.

The only players who we're currently missing as of right now, from last year, has to be Tony Richardson and Damien Woody by default, for the simple fact Hunter has been less than impressive. I hold high hopes for John Conner, but he's no Richardson. Not many are. We're talking about a future HOF lead blocker, one who's led the way for backs such as Marcus Allen, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, Adrian Peterson and even our very own such as Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene. After watching our team thus far through 5 weeks, Richardson is the player I miss most. I'm not willing to throw our front office under the bus though, because both players were aging. But I do believe that both Greene and Tomlinson miss having arguably the greatest run blocking FB of our generation. It's kind of hard to say that losing players such as Coleman, Ihedigbo and Lowery have hurt this team, considering the fact that we've been stout against the pass. Lowery is a player that I would have enjoyed at S in replace of Eric Smith, but then again, who's to say Lowery wouldn't become nothing more than a project-failure at safety... Shaun Ellis: 4 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles. He's done. Trevor Pryce: Has yet to find an NFL home thus far through 5 weeks. Cotchery: 0 receptions, 0 yards, 0 TD's. Even with future playing time in Pittsburgh, this is another Jet that'll always be a shell of what he once was as a Jet. We've seen the best of Cotchery, who's body is breaking down. Brad Smith: What happened to Chan Gailey turning Brad Smith into a Kordell Stewart type of slash? It's yet to happen. Smith has gone 0/1 as a QB. Has only rushed for 44 yards and 1 TD. Only two receptions for 25 yards. And last but not least, has been a non factor as a kick returner. Mike Westhoff was underrated in regards to Brad Smith's success here in NY. One of the most overrated Jets I've ever seen (especially during the offseason). Braylon Edwards: Has been hurt, and has only played in two games. 4 receptions for 48 yards and 0 TD's. I would have loved to have Edwards back, but he's never been worth the type of money that he's currently looking for. Vernon Gholston: It's looking as if Gholston can't find a home. Shocker. Jason Taylor: 4 games, has only recorded 3 tackles and 1 sack. At the old age of 37, he's done as well. Where am I going with this, lets just say that both Tannenbaum and Rex knew what they were doing in regards to our offseason plans. Pryce was done as a defensive end, and it's been more than obvious that Wilkerson is the truth. Big upgrade over Shaun Ellis thus far. Brad Smith has been replaced by Joe McKnight, and McKnight is having a much better season when compared to Brad. McKnight looks to be a Leon 2.0. Say what you say about both Cotchery and Edwards not being here, but Plaxico and Kerley have both put up better prodcution with the Jets, than those two have with their respected teams. Vernon Gholston has continued to bust and both Westerman and now Maybin have contributed more to the Jets, than what Taylor has for the Dolphins. If the Jets were the Steelers, the media would without question, praise the Jets for allowing these players to walk sooner, rather than later ala Jerome Bettis, Alan Faneca, Kimo von Oelhoffen etc.

I think to get back to the root of the REAL problem, you really have to go pretty far back. You see, it all started for me back in 1986. Everybody at the time were big Giants fans. I couldn't get away from it. As a 9 year old boy I really didn't know where to turn or what to do. All I wanted was for my Jets to be as good as the Giants, or even better than them. I began to sink into a dark seclusion, watching the Jets on tv by myself. Being the ridicule of most because my Dad only took me to Jets games because the tickets were dirt cheap. I remember the fans yelling to Al Toon that it would all get better once Walton was gone. But it didn't get better. It was like the future would be filled with one big Walton flicked booger after another. Carroll, Coslet, KOTITE, Groh, Edwards, Mangini.....

The list just goes on and on. Sure we had the occassion moment of hope, boogers like Parcells, Testaverde, Martin... They were the kind of boogers that you dig in for and when you pull them out slowly you feel like they're coming from your brain. God why do those feel so good? But I digress. Those of course were all blown away when the giant bloodclot booger known as Bellichek took of in the dark of night with 1 million of a dying man's money, leaving behind a snot scrawled note saying he resigned after one day. But I'm getting way ahead of myself.

Back in middle school I started to internalize my sadness as a Jets fan. People wondered if I was just shy, but the could not comprehend my darkness. I could see it among classmates too. Those lonely few who also walked around in solace, quietly carrying around the burden that they too were Jets fans. I began drinking in 89. As a 13 year old boy I had really had enough torture from Joe Walton and dove into whatever I could to sooth the pain. Vodka was my drink of choice. I lamented about how bad things were, but wondered to myself how bad it would have been if I could actually remember the pain of the mud bowl in MIA in 1982. Thios actually started to lighten me up a bit. I mean, I didn't have it that bad. I put the bottle down and started making friends, even girlfriends. I was successfully suppressing the darkness through the dismal Coslet years and really thought I had it under control. I made it through High School, actually a pretty popular guy. Off to college I went with wide eyes and a bright future.

But then, I just couldn't control myself when they traded for Rich Kotite. The anticipation, the hype...it just consumed me. Then we went and signed Neil O'Donnell! I was exstatic! I couldn't contain myself anymore. My Jets were front page news. They were even being considered AFC favorites. The world was upside down on its head!!! But the losses kept mounting. 2 losses, 4 losses, 8 losses, 13 losses!!!! It was as if a Joe Walton booger was flicked right into my face and could never be washed away. I turned back to the bottle. Secluded myself into that all too familiar dark place of mine. It was a dark year, but it had only just begun.

1996 was met with trepidation. This season could really do me in as a young man. Then the losses began...1, 2, 5, 7, 15 losses!! That's right. We only won one game that year. Vodka turned into heroin and crack cocaine and I was spiraling out of control trying to ease the pain of my darkness. These were sinister times in my life. I looked like Gollum, hiding from the sun and all people, just praying that my precious would turn things around and quiet the darkness.

Then I saw the light of hope! Mr Hess had decided that he was not going out without a fight and hire Bill Parcells. THE Bill Parcells! And he was gonna let him buy he groceries AND cook the dinner. It was like a beacon from God took the crackpipe out of my hands and said HALLELUJAH young man!!! I watched as they turned 1-15 quickly into 9-7. WOW, we almost even made the playoffs. Even though Barry Sanders shredded my hopes of a playoff season in the final game, 1998 was looking bright. Out goes Adrian Murrell and O'Donnell, in comes CMart and Testaverde. And boy did they not disappoint! All the way to an AFC championship game we went, even looking like we were going to beat the Broncos with a 2nd half 10-0 lead! But alas, reality set in and 23 unanswered points later all hope was dashed.

Going into 1999 my life was looking pretty bright. I was beginning a career in finance and the Jets were the favorites to win the SB. Then, as if a perfectly timed Joe Walton booger was flicked onto the ball, causing Curtis Martin to fumble and Vinny T to snap his achilles. The darkness was creeping back. Failing to keep a competent backup was coming back to haunt Mr Parcells, and much like he always had in the past, he was ditching before the walls came crumbling down. Bellichek followed one day after with his free million dollar ticket.

After a dismal, boring season under Al Groh, who also later ditched, the darkness was coming back. Even the hopes of being pumped up by one of the greatest press conference speakers in Herm Edwards were quickly dashed when it was apparent he had no idea how to coach a game. Even worse was the fact that we were burdened with the enigma known as Chad Pennington. Watching my fellow fans bicker over whether or not we could win with The Egg was growing tiresome. Hell, I even remember nyjunc vehemently defending Herman Edwards was a great coach and we'd be sorry when he's gone, though I think we later found out that he was Herm's wife. Back to drinking for me.

I moved on at this point from vodka to a Polish grain alcohol called Spirytus. I didn't want to turn back to the drugs, but needed something to get to the point. Herm Edwards calls an inexplicable timeout??? Spirytus. Herm's cover-who D lets' the opponent march down the field unchallenged? Spirytus. Herm has Chad pennington kneel the ball so his weak legged, struggling kicker can attempt a record breaking kick in Heinz field with it all on the line...SPIRYTUS!!!! No mixers, just shots.

Mangenius shortly followed, but it really was more of the same, only alot more boring. Tannenbaum tried to liven up the party a little in Mangini's final year by bringing Favre to the party, but it was really more of the same. Questionable coaching, questionable playing, and alot more Spirytus for me.

Enter Rex, with his bragadocia, his pedigree, his likeability, his solid track record. A young, firecracker for a QB and a whole lot of confidence eminating from the team and boom, we're right back to respectability. Hell, we're even starting to be considered the team to beat. Two championship games in a row, and it's like the darkness was almost completely gone! But alas a booger flicker becomes a toe licker, it's all the same. Cockiness from the coaches eminats to cockiness from the players, even cockiness from the GM with his new leather jacket and fancy FA pickups and suddenly confidence becomes complacency becomes stagnation, becomes an attitude of entitlement, becomes what we've always been for all these years, the Same Ol' Dark Friggin Jets. And that my friends is the REAL problem, for those of you that actually read this ridiculous diatribe.