faba Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 When a team looks so disorganized for multiple games and three straight subpar seasons-how can you state the coach is not responsible-give him one more chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 forget fair, i don't see how it makes the Jets better. they will lose their defensive mastermind and gain what exactly? another OC ? How is Bevell better than Rex and Marty? It's not a rhetorical question. You're the guy who wanted Geno held accountable, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 You're the guy who wanted Geno held accountable, right? the Jets have the best run defense in football. let's FIRE HIM DERP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 the Jets have the best run defense in football. let's FIRE HIM DERP That's what ties all the great championship coaches together: their ability to produce good run-stuffing defenses. Walsh, Belichick, Lombardi, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Run defense wins championships, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Run defense wins championships, right? Run defense might take a back seat to Special Teams these days. Just look at how many games Nick Folk won for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Run defense might take a back seat to Special Teams these days. Just look at how many games Nick Folk won for us. He is 10x more relevant in the W-L column. But Rex is a run stuffing genius. In a passing league. Sort of in the ground 'n pound vein. Guy really knows how to be a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 He is 10x more relevant in the W-L column. But Rex is a run stuffing genius. In a passing league. Sort of in the ground 'n pound vein. Guy really knows how to be a head coach. I still like Rex. But as a smart friend told me in 2010 (and I didn't believe it at the time, since we went 11-5 that year)...."I like Rex too....but when he falls in New York, he'll fall hard." He was 100 % right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I still like Rex. But as a smart friend told me in 2010 (and I didn't believe it at the time, since we went 11-5 that year)...."I like Rex too....but when he falls in New York, he'll fall hard." He was 100 % right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77DRAFT Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 As long as we keep our o line intact, I like either guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 We're all gonna look mighty stupid when Rex takes his run defense to Tampa Bay and wins Super Bowl VI with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 There is no way in hell Gruden, Cowher, or any of the ex-coaches with their cushy broadcasting jobs are going to come coach us so we should just stop mentioning their names right now. This sucks to be sitting here having to read about a bunch of new coaches but it is what it is, and I guess if I'm leaning towards Bevel right now, but we still need the players to actually execute the plays. Marty did pretty good calling the plays for us up until the bye week when we either a-got figured out by other teams and are now just ineffective, or b- we are not good enough. Probably a little of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 We're all gonna look mighty stupid when Rex takes his run defense to Tampa Bay and wins Super Bowl VI with it. just to put my statement into context, you compared Geno Smith to REx Ryan under the heading of accountability. Rex has done many good things over 5 years. Geno not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Bevell would have Salas and Hill look like the 2nd coming of Rice & Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 His experience as Carrols gopher would ensure he'd be able to turn Geno Smith into Randall Cunningham.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 A little secret- Karl Dunbar is the man behind the dline, not Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 just to put my statement into context, you compared Geno Smith to REx Ryan under the heading of accountability. Rex has done many good things over 5 years. Geno not so much. Rex is also 11-16 over the last two seasons (11-19 if you count the collapse at the end of 2011), with eight of those losses by 20 or more points (nine if, again, you go back to 2011). He did some great things three years ago. The team is simply not competitive right now. That's what I mean by accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 A little secret- Karl Dunbar is the man behind the dline, not Rex. Who told you this little secret? Because there is no way it could be combination of both. That's impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Who told you this little secret? Because there is no way it could be combination of both. That's impossible. Sure it could- but Rex isn't a positional coach anymore. He's calling the plays obviously, but the development of guys(Wilk, Snacks) falls on Dunbar. If any coach could be plucked off of the Jets- he'd be the first to be hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 When you look out on the field and see what Rex and Marty are producing, how can you say they're better than anybody? Not their first trip to the rodeo just their worst one...Well, Ryan's was 2012 but this year has potential to beat it. Still not sold on Bevell unfortunately. I want a better roster more than I want yet another new, first time head coach anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Sure it could- but Rex isn't a positional coach anymore. He's calling the plays obviously, but the development of guys(Wilk, Snacks) falls on Dunbar. If any coach could be plucked off of the Jets- he'd be the first to be hired. Rex was DL coach before a DC. That's his specialty. He's one of the best in the biz at teaching technique. Same as Dunbar. I think your secret you made up because it sounds good is b.s. I'm sure they're both in the trenches with those guys coaching them up and both have a large impact on their development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Rex was DL coach before a DC. That's his specialty. He's one of the best in the biz at teaching technique. Same as Dunbar. I think your secret you made up because it sounds good is b.s. I'm sure they're both in the trenches with those guys coaching them up and both have a large impact on their development. Actually, Dunbar has built, now, three absolutely dominant DLs. The Tommie Harris one in Chicago, the Williams Wall in Minny, and now here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 The team is simply not competitive right now. That's what I mean by accountability. they are 5-7 not 0-12. they are more competitive than they should be, considering how they were predicted to finish and where they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Not their first trip to the rodeo just their worst one...Well, Ryan's was 2012 but this year has potential to beat it. Still not sold on Bevell unfortunately. I want a better roster more than I want yet another new, first time head coach anyway. This x 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 they are 5-7 not 0-12. they are more competitive than they should be, considering how they were predicted to finish and where they are now. I don't give a sh*t where they were predicted to finish. Rex doesn't get to keep his job just because he outperformed Pigskin Pulaski's preseason picks over at CrazeeFootballD00dz.net. There's a good chance we're going to finish 6-10 for the second consecutive season and miss the postseason for the third. Even if you're grading on a curve, that's unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Rex was DL coach before a DC. That's his specialty. He's one of the best in the biz at teaching technique. Same as Dunbar. I think your secret you made up because it sounds good is b.s. I'm sure they're both in the trenches with those guys coaching them up and both have a large impact on their development. Isn't it sad though that the only positive conversation left to be had about Rex is that he's had an impact on a position group that he used to coach WAY back in his past? Or that players "like" him? I don't want a coach players like, I want a coach players are afraid to let down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 they are 5-7 not 0-12. they are more competitive than they should be, considering how they were predicted to finish and where they are now. So Rex deserves a re-do with a new GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Actually, Dunbar has built, now, three absolutely dominant DLs. The Tommie Harris one in Chicago, the Williams Wall in Minny, and now here. Built? He's picking the guys? Dunbar is fantastic, kudos to Rex for signing him here. The duo has done a great job of developing the DL. To say that Rex has had no part, is ridiculous and something Matt made up in thin air with nothing to support his little secret. Isn't it sad though that the only positive conversation left to be had about Rex is that he's had an impact on a position group that he used to coach WAY back in his past? Or that players "like" him? I don't want a coach players like, I want a coach players are afraid to let down. Players dont want to let Rex down because they love playing for him. There's no question about that...just listen to the way they talk about him. I agree, thats not enough...but I think that Rex does a lot more good than we as fans can see and its hard to realize because the product is terrible. Out of curiosity, who do you think a coach is that players are "afraid" to let down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Built? He's picking the guys? Dunbar is fantastic, kudos to Rex for signing him here. The duo has done a great job of developing the DL. To say that Rex has had no part, is ridiculous and something Matt made up in thin air with nothing to support his little secret. Players dont want to let Rex down because they love playing for him. There's no question about that...just listen to the way they talk about him. I agree, thats not enough...but I think that Rex does a lot more good than we as fans can see and its hard to realize because the product is terrible. Out of curiosity, who do you think a coach is that players are "afraid" to let down? Rex is doing invisible things, you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Players dont want to let Rex down because they love playing for him. There's no question about that...just listen to the way they talk about him. I agree, thats not enough...but I think that Rex does a lot more good than we as fans can see and its hard to realize because the product is terrible. Out of curiosity, who do you think a coach is that players are "afraid" to let down? There's a difference between loving to play for a guy, and not wanting to let him down. Your boy, Santonio, he loves playing for Rex, but he has no problem letting him down time and again, because he knows Rex has his back 100%. Whole team seems to function that way. Belli's team is full of guys that do their job and don't want to let him down. Who gives a **** if they love him. They are athletes, they love WINNING more. Your point of view on this is like a ******* Hallmark movie. "They love Rex, just listen to them" --- tell me how that "love" has translated to discipline, execution and winning? Also, the bold is one of the dumbest things you've ever said, which is saying a lot. Rex did a lot to make the product what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 ****, this annoys the piss out of me... "you guys Rex is a great motivator" We need a head football coach, not a head cheerleader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I dont think Lombardi could have helped this team, but rex will be gone for other 'stuff' as well, not just 2013 record. I like Rex Def skills, but maybe its time for a Offensive guy as HC of the NY Jets I would like to see us get thru 16 games without our QB rolling up into a fetal position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 So Rex deserves a re-do with a new GM? I would handle Rex the same way I would have handled REvis. Let him play out the last year and see what happens. Theres this unwritten rule that a coach MUST be redone when he's on his last year, this is a special situation. Give Rex the same help you would have given Darrell Bevel and see how he does. There's no time limit by the way, people make these artificial time limits like if he doesn't win a ring in 5 years, fire him. it took Cowher like 15 years to win his. LIke if they don't fire Rex next year the Super Bowl plan is ruined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 ****, this annoys the piss out of me... "you guys Rex is a great motivator" We need a head football coach, not a head cheerleader. This team hasn't given up. Teams that give up don't have goalline stands every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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