Goodell & Tapes: A cruel irony?

[BlakeSpenceBlockedPunt]

So here we are today and Roger Goodell is taking a lot of heat for his mishandling of the Ray Rice videotape.  The complete story hasn't been told yet.  Did he actually review the tape?  Did he not?  Did he attempt to review the tape?  Etc.

 

What's interesting to me is that Goodell, who has proven himself to be nothing if not very, very thorough, and who views himself as the ultimate protector of "the shield" has mishandled two very egregious issues where there has been videotape evidence.

 

This Ray Rice situation is in a class by itself.  What Rice did and which has been captured on videotape is unacceptable, disgusting and in my view criminal  That woman could have died (she could have been severely injured) and domestic violence in any form, fashion, etc. should be punished to the full extent of the law.  There is no place on this planet for behavior like that.

 

The other situation I refer to is SpyGate.  Goodell had tapes and he erased them?  Yet he levied the largest fine of a head coach in the history of the league.  At the height of the Patriots "dominance" they get caught, with videotape evidence, doing something against the rules and Goodell is the only person with knowledge of what's on those tapes?

 

Ironic?  Or more?

 

 

 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

Goodell suspended a Head Coach for an entire season because of Bounty Gate but did not decide to suspend a Head Coach who put the integrity of the sport into question with Spy Gate.

 

Everyone knows if those tapes didnt have anything damning on them, they would have been shared with the public to clear the Pats of any supposed wrong doing.  Instead, they were destroyed for nobody to see.  

 

Hmph? 

[PatriotReign37]

How about that fruity foot video?

 

A black eye for the league for sure as one of their HCs is a toesucker.

[Jettington]

How about that fruity foot video?

 

A black eye for the league for sure as one of their HCs is a toesucker.

 

I guess this thread struck a nerve?

[Jetsfan80]

How about that fruity foot video?

 

A black eye for the league for sure as one of their HCs is a toesucker.

 

Two consenting adults who are married and love each other can do whatever they want and it's not the NFL's business.  No comparison to be made there.  Then again I don't foresee you understanding this post.

[JerryK]

Sorry, I know I've said this in other threads, but I wonder if the concussion scandal is beginning to affect the league's ability to discipline players.

 

For a non-judicial offenses, could a player just say "I have headaches and a lawyer" and get a slap on the wrist?

[rillo]

How about that fruity foot video?

A black eye for the league for sure as one of their HCs is a toesucker.

Jimmies have been rustled.

[Jet Nut]

How about that fruity foot video?

 

A black eye for the league for sure as one of their HCs is a toesucker.

Protecting the Flying Elvis?

[Il Mostro]

F*ck.  I thought this was about Goodell and tapas.

[ghost_in_pads02]

two very different circumstances.

 

we are talking about violence toward a woman

 

compared to a procedure  govern by a private organization. One is unlawful act in all courts of America and the other is just an excuse for fans to grip about.

[Klecko73isGod]

two very different circumstances.

 

we are talking about violence toward a woman

 

compared to a procedure  govern by a private organization. One is unlawful act in all courts of America and the other is just an excuse for fans to grip about.

 

No one is comparing the two, you are attempting to introduce a straw man argument to change the subject. 

 

The point is there is a pattern of irresponsible behavior with the commissioner's office when video taped evidence is part of the equation. 

[Larz]

I heard the casino was basically going out of business and shutting down soon after they were there.  Whoever had the tape held onto it for money, and finally got what they wanted, then TMZ probably sat on it until opening weekend to get maximum clicks

 

I don't think the NFL ever saw it.

 

with that said

 

was it ever a mystery what happened ?  why did the video really change anything ?

[SoFlaJets]

This was my post in the Ray Rice thread where I brought up essentially the same point:

 

All joking aside, funny how Goodell only takes it real seriousy when TMZ releases it yesterday, it had been out and around though for months, Cris Carter, Mort and others had seen it back in May.  Too  bad Commissh Chiorby didn't take Belichik's cheating prior to the game's biggest event quite as seriously, and let's face it that crime was much worse (for that old axiom that we haven't heard much of lately "for the integrity of the game") than this personal issue.

 

as to "the biggest fine ever" Blake, yea as if Belichik paid one penny of that out of his own pocket...it was bullcrap. Goodell did NOTHING, wrote it off, wrote off the Super Bowl accusations and the Jets game PROOF. The Integrity of the game thing has pretty much disappeared hasn't it? When was the last time that THAT meant anything? Oh yea that's right BEFORE Roger Goodell took over. He needs to go,. the officiating too has become a farce under his so-called leadership.  

[bitonti]

people who are hoping for Goodell to be fired for incompetence and lying will be disappointed.

 

Being incompetent and being a liar is what the owners hired him to do. 

[SoFlaJets]

I heard the casino was basically going out of business and shutting down soon after they were there.  Whoever had the tape held onto it for money, and finally got what they wanted, then TMZ probably sat on it until opening weekend to get maximum clicks

 

I don't think the NFL ever saw it.

 

with that said

 

was it ever a mystery what happened ?  why did the video really change anything ?

no Larz, Mort said he saw it months ago and so did Cris Carter-now if THEY saw it don't you think that others in actual authority must have seen it at the same time?

[Jets Voice of Reason]

I heard the casino was basically going out of business and shutting down soon after they were there.  Whoever had the tape held onto it for money, and finally got what they wanted, then TMZ probably sat on it until opening weekend to get maximum clicks

 

I don't think the NFL ever saw it.

 

with that said

 

was it ever a mystery what happened ?  why did the video really change anything ?

 

From Goodell's perspective the video didn't change anything. It just gives him an excuse to try to rectify his earlier ****-up.

[RutgersJetFan]

How about that fruity foot video?

 

A black eye for the league for sure as one of their HCs is a toesucker.

 

Classiest post ever.

[dbatesman]

Classiest post ever.

 

Making fetish videos with one's wife is the exact ethical equivalent of punching one's wife in the face. #science

[Klecko73isGod]

Making fetish videos with one's wife is the exact ethical equivalent of punching one's wife in the face. #science

 

Duh, it's like almost the exact same thing. 

[Warfish]

Sorry, I know I've said this in other threads, but I wonder if the concussion scandal is beginning to affect the league's ability to discipline players.

 

For a non-judicial offenses, could a player just say "I have headaches and a lawyer" and get a slap on the wrist?

Be assured, Ray Rices Lawyer is planning that case as we speak.

He's also reviewing the long LONG list (I posted in another thread) of NFL players arrested for physical violence and/or assault and/or domestic violence, who did NOT get the same treatement by the league he got. And it's a long list mate.

I'll also add this......think any OTHER victims of Demestic Violence by Pro athletes will come forward now? The victim (who adamantly says she isn't a victim and I agree with her frankly) just lost her lifestyle and income completely and against her will. Rice made her a victim, but the media and NFL has made her a victim again, worse, taking away any dignity she had, any right she had to decide for herself what she wants from life or if she is or is not a victim, and her future income security and lifestyle. I'm sure she's truly thankful for all the folks concerned for her that helped lead to this. Thin random punched girlfriend #10982 is going to come forward now, seeing how this played out?

Whats amazing is how many other NFL players have engaged in domestic violence, and worse than one punch at that, and not missed a single snap due to it. But this one has a video, so it's worse? Thank God the media doesn't ever play video like those of the two recent beheadings, if all it takes is video to massively emo-reaction, I can;t imagine what those vids would lead to.....

The info it is out there if you want it, see who else has beat their wives, girlfriends, kids, cops, randoms, etc, etc, etc, and faced no discipline of any kind.

Ray Rice may be scum, but he's far from alone in the NFL cesspool, and yet he's the only one getting railroaded right out of the league.

/shrug

[Jets Voice of Reason]

two very different circumstances.

 

we are talking about violence toward a woman

 

compared to a procedure  govern by a private organization. One is unlawful act in all courts of America and the other is just an excuse for fans to grip about.

 

That's not exactly true. The NFL isn't Walmart, the integrity of the competition in these major sports leagues is pretty important because they have antitrust exemptions.The destroying of the tapes was highly suspect, but with no evidence what is anyone going to do about it.

[Bugg]

F*ck.  I thought this was about Goodell and tapas.

There's always room for tapas. 

[Klecko73isGod]

Be assured, Ray Rices Lawyer is planning that case as we speak.

He's also reviewing the long LONG list (I posted in another thread) of NFL players arrested for physical violence and/or assault and/or domestic violence, who did NOT get the same treatement by the league he got. And it's a long list mate.

I'll also add this......think any OTHER victims of Demestic Violence by Pro athletes will come forward now? The victim (who adamantly says she isn't a victim and I agree with her frankly) just lost her lifestyle and income completely and against her will. Rice made her a victim, but the media and NFL has made her a victim again, worse, taking away any dignity she had, any right she had to decide for herself what she wants from life or if she is or is not a victim, and her future income security and lifestyle. I'm sure she's truly thankful for all the folks concerned for her that helped lead to this. Thin random punched girlfriend #10982 is going to come forward now, seeing how this played out?

Whats amazing is how many other NFL players have engaged in domestic violence, and worse than one punch at that, and not missed a single snap due to it. But this one has a video, so it's worse? Thank God the media doesn't ever play video like those of the two recent beheadings, if all it takes is video to massively emo-reaction, I can;t imagine what those vids would lead to.....

The info it is out there if you want it, see who else has beat their wives, girlfriends, kids, cops, randoms, etc, etc, etc, and faced no discipline of any kind.

Ray Rice may be scum, but he's far from alone in the NFL cesspool, and yet he's the only one getting railroaded right out of the league.

/shrug

 

You're not wrong about Rice being made an example of. But something tells me the NFL has deeper pockets than Ray Rice - not to mention their political connections. 

 

I think all these idiots should be gone BTW. You want to be a criminal, be a criminal. You want to play in the NFL, be a human being. 

[Larz]

no Larz, Mort said he saw it months ago and so did Cris Carter-now if THEY saw it don't you think that others in actual authority must have seen it at the same time?

 

then whoever paid for it at TMZ got ripped off, lol

[SoFlaJets]

then whoever paid for it at TMZ got ripped off, lol

I don't know, I think you had it right before, maybe they held it back for the max amount of clicks, i mean I might have looked at it in May and most likely would have forgotten all about it by now but by them bringing it out now, wow-it's a big time mess and black eye on that sport

[Kleckineau]

How about that fruity foot video?

 

A black eye for the league for sure as one of their HCs is a toesucker.

 

And the Past HC steals money from a dead owner, drafts a murderer, cheats before a Super Bowl, bangs other guys wives............

[Warfish]

You're not wrong about Rice being made an example of. But something tells me the NFL has deeper pockets than Ray Rice - not to mention their political connections. 

 

I think all these idiots should be gone BTW. You want to be a criminal, be a criminal. You want to play in the NFL, be a human being. 

 

Now that I can happily agree with. 

 

You'll have to forgive me, I loathe unequal treatment and inequallity, especially when it is done as pure, distilled, cya by a corporation like the NFL (or worse, by the Government).

 

The NFL shouldn't only get a black eye for it's handling of this, but for the grotesque unequal treatment of Rice and the long, LONG, list of other violent abusers, criminals and thugs the NFL currently employs comment-free.

[Klecko73isGod]

And the Past HC steals money from a dead owner, drafts a murderer, cheats before a Super Bowl, bangs other guys wives............

 

PR37 has battered woman syndrome where Belichick is concerned... 5 bucks says his response includes the words "but you don't understand..."

[GandWFan]

Goodell did EXACTLY his job in both instances.  He is a paid shill for the owners.  His job is to protect the brand.  

 

In Spygate, he destroyed the tapes, to preserve the "integrity" of the brand.  I am sure whateever was on those tapes was pretty damning, or they would have been made public.  Notice, no owners complained about the tapes being destroyed.  Every one of them has a vested interest in not killing the golden goose that is the NFL.  The only question was how much to "punish" the offenders so it looked like the league was a bastion of virtue.

 

In this latest episode, again, protect and deflect.  They feigned outrage, then only suspended Rice for 2 games, a slap on the wrist.  If TMZ doesn't release that video, same same.  TMZ are the ones that got Rice booted.  Goodell must have been pissed.  He and the owners thought this was put to bed.  So Goodell fell on his sword on this one.  No big deal for him.  That's what he is paid for.

 

The owners LOVE Goodel.  Just what the Dr ordered.

[ghost_in_pads02]

No one is comparing the two, you are attempting to introduce a straw man argument to change the subject. 

 

The point is there is a pattern of irresponsible behavior with the commissioner's office when video taped evidence is part of the equation. 

no I am not, sorry to disappoint you (I'm actually not sorry) I honestly careless how often anyone brings up spy gate. I laugh at it.

 

I agree there is a pattern of irresponsible behavior with the commissioner's office BUT it hasn't nothing to do with tapes as evidence.

 

Goodell is quick to lay down the law when a player gets busted for weed, or whatever illegal substance they put into their body but when an owner displays the same type of improper behavior that a player shows, you delay his punishment and give him a "light" sentence? huh what? That does not add up!

 

the owner, just like the players, and "spy gate" , "bounty gate" Ray Rice are all affecting "The Shield" so this has nothing to do with "just tapes" but more to do with Goodell's judgment.

 

That's not exactly true. The NFL isn't Walmart, the integrity of the competition in these major sports leagues is pretty important because they have antitrust exemptions.The destroying of the tapes was highly suspect, but with no evidence what is anyone going to do about it.

 

the NFL is a private  organization they could make their own rules with no interface from the government.

 

you are right about the competition of major sports leagues being very important, but :"spy gate" was not as damning or damaging as disgruntle fans may think.

 

1. is/was a practice that has gone on in the league for years/decades (plenty of coaches have coming out and said that), it was and is no different then when a pitcher covers his mouth when he is talking to his catcher, baseball always talks about the opposing bench stealing signs.

 

2. same with football coaches both colleague and professional covering their mouth with their play sheet.

 

3. you are (maybe you still can) allowed to tape from your own sideline but you can't do it from the opposing teams sideline AFTER the memo went out, which was what "spy gate" was all about.

 

 

it wasn't anything to really damage the reputation of the sport (such as gambling) it is something that has gone on a long time in all sports.

[l_j_r]

Goodell did EXACTLY his job in both instances.  He is a paid shill for the owners.  His job is to protect the brand.  

 

In Spygate, he destroyed the tapes, to preserve the "integrity" of the brand.  I am sure whateever was on those tapes was pretty damning, or they would have been made public.  Notice, no owners complained about the tapes being destroyed.  Every one of them has a vested interest in not killing the golden goose that is the NFL.  The only question was how much to "punish" the offenders so it looked like the league was a bastion of virtue.

 

In this latest episode, again, protect and deflect.  They feigned outrage, then only suspended Rice for 2 games, a slap on the wrist.  If TMZ doesn't release that video, same same.  TMZ are the ones that got Rice booted.  Goodell must have been pissed.  He and the owners thought this was put to bed.  So Goodell fell on his sword on this one.  No big deal for him.  That's what he is paid for.

 

The owners LOVE Goodel.  Just what the Dr ordered.

 

This, unfortunately, is exactly right

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

Now that I can happily agree with.

You'll have to forgive me, I loathe unequal treatment and inequallity, especially when it is done as pure, distilled, cya by a corporation like the NFL (or worse, by the Government).

The NFL shouldn't only get a black eye for it's handling of this, but for the grotesque unequal treatment of Rice and the long, LONG, list of other violent abusers, criminals and thugs the NFL currently employs comment-free.

Yes, it's different because he got caught on video. I don't see why this is difficult or objectionable. It isn't the league's job to impose discipline commensurate with culpability. The guys who didn't get busted on tape are simply not similarly situated with respect to the league's interest in the off-field conduct of its players.

[Bugg]

Goodell did EXACTLY his job in both instances.  He is a paid shill for the owners.  His job is to protect the brand.  

 

In Spygate, he destroyed the tapes, to preserve the "integrity" of the brand.  I am sure whateever was on those tapes was pretty damning, or they would have been made public.  Notice, no owners complained about the tapes being destroyed.  Every one of them has a vested interest in not killing the golden goose that is the NFL.  The only question was how much to "punish" the offenders so it looked like the league was a bastion of virtue.

 

In this latest episode, again, protect and deflect.  They feigned outrage, then only suspended Rice for 2 games, a slap on the wrist.  If TMZ doesn't release that video, same same.  TMZ are the ones that got Rice booted.  Goodell must have been pissed.  He and the owners thought this was put to bed.  So Goodell fell on his sword on this one.  No big deal for him.  That's what he is paid for.

 

The owners LOVE Goodel.  Just what the Dr ordered.

Only problem is he or someone in the NFL office saw that tape. The Revel is a casino. Everything except your room is (was since it went out of business last month) taped. The NFL never passes a chance to tell us how their security personnel are tight with local police departments. THE NFL SAW THE TAPER BEFORE THE 2 GAME BAN. Whether Goodell saw it may be in doubt, but all the media reports at the tiem of the 2 game ban certainly indicated he had. And on that one point Goodell becomes toxic, bad for business, a liability. And given that he burned a whole host of media people who are not happy(one exception being his personal fluffer Peter King), the negative stories about Goodell are about to flow like a sewage pipe after a thundestorm. If there's one thing we know in America if the media sets you up as the daily boogie man, you will be subject to the 2 minutes of daily hate and then discarded. You're done. 

 

Remarkably King got the story right, and is now backing off those assertions that Goodell saw the tape prior to the 2 game ban to protect his pal. Not sure how either cashes a paycheck from their current employer past February. The NFL is about TV ad revenue, and Goodell now jeaopardizes that. This is about money, not morality. 

[Jets Voice of Reason]

no I am not, sorry to disappoint you (I'm actually not sorry) I honestly careless how often anyone brings up spy gate. I laugh at it.

 

I agree there is a pattern of irresponsible behavior with the commissioner's office BUT it hasn't nothing to do with tapes as evidence.

 

Goodell is quick to lay down the law when a player gets busted for weed, or whatever illegal substance they put into their body but when an owner displays the same type of improper behavior that a player shows, you delay his punishment and give him a "light" sentence? huh what? That does not add up!

 

the owner, just like the players, and "spy gate" , "bounty gate" Ray Rice are all affecting "The Shield" so this has nothing to do with "just tapes" but more to do with Goodell's judgment.

 

 

the NFL is a private  organization they could make their own rules with no interface from the government.

 

you are right about the competition of major sports leagues being very important, but :"spy gate" was not as damning or damaging as disgruntle fans may think.

 

1. is/was a practice that has gone on in the league for years/decades (plenty of coaches have coming out and said that), it was and is no different then when a pitcher covers his mouth when he is talking to his catcher, baseball always talks about the opposing bench stealing signs.

 

2. same with football coaches both colleague and professional covering their mouth with their play sheet.

 

3. you are (maybe you still can) allowed to tape from your own sideline but you can't do it from the opposing teams sideline AFTER the memo went out, which was what "spy gate" was all about.

 

 

it wasn't anything to really damage the reputation of the sport (such as gambling) it is something that has gone on a long time in all sports.

 

The NFL can make its own rules and policies, but like I said you're not exactly right, they're subject to certain sanctions because of the antitrust exemptions they're given. If they do something illegal or something that threatens the integrity of the game, i.e match-fixing, rampant cheating, other things that threaten the integrity of competition, they run the risk of losing those exemptions and open themselves up to Federal Antitrust laws. The NFL teams are legalized cartels essentially so no, they're not just like a regular corporation and yes, the government can interfere in certain situations.

 

e.g.  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225539

 

Secondly, you nor I have no idea what was on those tapes so please save me the rationalization of how it wasn't actually a big deal and that it's just like baseball players stealing signs. We actually don't know what's on the tape and if it was something bad enough to have them destroy evidence almost immediately then I have to imagine it wasn't exactly harmless.

[Klecko73isGod]

The NFL can make its own rules and policies, but like I said you're not exactly right, they're subject to certain sanctions because of the antitrust exemptions they're given. If they do something illegal or something that threatens the integrity of the game, i.e match-fixing, rampant cheating, other things that threaten the integrity of competition, they run the risk of losing those exemptions and open themselves up to Federal Antitrust laws. The NFL teams are legalized cartels essentially so no, they're not just like a regular corporation and yes, the government can interfere in certain situations.

 

e.g.  http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225539

 

Secondly, you nor I have no idea what was on those tapes so please save me the rationalization of how it wasn't actually a big deal and that it's just like baseball players stealing signs. We actually don't know what's on the tape and if it was something bad enough to have them destroy evidence almost immediately then I have to imagine it wasn't exactly harmless.

 

In Pats troll-land, the destruction of the tapes is somehow proof that there was nothing damning on them.