Muhammad Wilkerson ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

Can’t please everybody.  Even harder?  To know what the Cowboys will do with the 4^th overall pick on April 28^th. After much speculation and table pounding, we’re no closer to finding out who the Cowboys likely to take now than we were when the 2015 season mercifully ended. The Cowboys have needs on the defensive side of the ball, and a solution may be staring them right in the face; trade for the Jets’ Muhammad Wilkerson.

To acquire him, the Cowboys would have to give up the number four pick in the NFL Draft; but they could get plenty back in return.

Wilkerson is a 26 year old defensive lineman who was selected out of Temple by the New York Jets in the first round of the 2011 draft. With the Jets he’s a 3-4 defensive end but in Dallas’ 40-front he’d slide inside to defensive tackle.He has 36.5 career sacks, 12 of which came during a very productive 2015 season, which was the last year of his contract. He was franchise tagged this offseason, and is currently recovering from a broken leg he suffered in Week 17.  Nonetheless, he’s been an integral part of the New York Jet’s roster, and a true force along their defensive line. As such, it’s puzzling why the Jets are shopping him.

New York did draft DE Leonard Williams 6^th overall in 2015, and already have a terrifying front seven, so perhaps they are reluctant to hand out the long-term deal that Wilkerson deserves given their more pressing needs.There’s one team with a world-class pass rusher they might not really want, and another with a dire need for a pass rush combined with a roster and appetite to win now. The “another team” holds the 4^thoverall pick in the 2016 draft, and might not know who they want to spend it on.

Why not swap 2016 1^st round picks with the Jets for Muhammad Wilkerson ?

Going from fourth overall to 20^th seems a steep drop, but makes sense for a variety of reasons. For starters, the math. It’s widely reported the Jets want a first-rounder in exchange for Wilkerson. The difference, according to the traditional value chart, between the fourth and 20th picks is 950 points, the value of the 17th pick in the draft.No player drafted 4^th overall will be able to provide the immediate impact Wilkerson would have for the Cowboys next season. Wilkerson would solve the pass rush woes, and give defensive coordinatorRod Marinelli a new toy to move around the line, making things easier for everyone else on the defense.

At 26, Wilkerson would fit right into the core of a revamped defensive line featuring younger players such as Tyrone Crawford (26), DeMarcus Lawrence (23), Cedric Thornton (27) and Randy Gregory (23).Also, 20^th overall puts the Cowboys in exactly the range of where Paxton Lynch is expected to be picked, and would also afford the Cowboys an extra year of Lynch’s rookie deal since he’d be drafted in the 1^st round.

From the Jets’ perspective, vaulting from 20^th to 4^th overall allows them to fill the gaping hole at QB on their roster with either Carson Wentz or Jarred Goff, hopefully finding their long-term answer at QB.While trades rarely occur in the NFL, there is some precedence for a trade similar to this from just a few weeks ago. On March 15^th, theNew England Patriots traded DE Chandler Jones to the Arizona Cardinals for guard Jonathan Cooper and a 2016 2^nd round pick. We can use Chandler Jones as a measuring stick for a hypothetical Wilkerson trade-both players are 26 years old, and accumulated 12.5 sacks in 2015.

Like Wilkerson, Jones is also playing out the last year of his deal. While Chandler Jones is a very good player, all he brought back was the 61^st overall pick worth 292 points, and an underperforming and oft-injured guard the Patriots coveted from the 2013 draft. I would say Wilkerson is the better player between him and Jones, and of more value to the Cowboys, but the swap of firsts for Wilkerson is more than justified based off of the trade value chart alone.However, if the thought of grabbing their highest-rated QB isn’t tempting enough for the Jets, maybe the Cowboys could also include a Day Three pick, or even to further emulate the Pats-Cardinals swap, and include a guard.

Ron Leary might be able to improve a Jets offensive line that was 26^thin the league at run blocking DVOA (alternatively, they ranked 3^rd in pass blocking DVOA, giving up only a 4.1% Adjusted Sack Rate).It’s difficult to assess Wilkerson’s value given his contract status.  Dallas would need to sign Wilkerson to a long-term extension to ensure their new prized pass rusher stays in town. What an extension would look like remains to be seen, given the monster deals signed by pass rushers this offseason like Olivier Vernon.

The Cowboys are in a position they rarely find themselves in. At the near very top of the draft, they should keep every option to possibly improve their team open. A trade down for a very good, impact pass rusher that still lets them select their possible QB of the future could be as close as they get to having it all.

>       http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2016/04/01/jets-fuel-mapping-out-a-cowboys-draft-day-trade-for-muhammad-wilkerson/

 

[Sperm Edwards]

19 minutes ago, kelly said:

it’s puzzling why the Jets are shopping him.

Whether one agrees with the idea or not, it isn't "puzzling" at all. Guy wants nearly $20M/year and the Jets already have 2 starting DEs with Wilkerson's skill set. Even if one thinks he's better or more talented, does Wilkerson+Richardson+Williams upgrade the team more than Richarson+Williams+draft pick+$17M/year to use on another great player (or 2 other really good players)?

Few teams - if any - have a pair of young DEs like Richardson and Williams as it stands, and so far zero of them have offered us what is supposedly "puzzling" for the Jets to accept if one ever makes such an offer.

In other words, if no other team in the NFL thinks he's worth a 1st rounder and $16-20M/year, why should the Jets (who already have a more than solid pair of DEs without him)? 

[kelly]

~ ~  5. Looking at Mo money : If the Jets receive a legitimate trade offer for Muhammad Wilkerson before the draft, one of the many factors they will weigh is the cost of keeping him under the franchise tag. Right now, his tag is costing $15.7 million. In 2017, it'll increase to $18.8 million, based on the 120-percent rule. From the Jets' perspective, it's a two-year, $34.5 million deal, which isn't all that crazy. The Giants will be paying Olivier Vernon a total of $41 million over the next two years, which makes Wilkerson look like a bargain.The Jets would be allowed to tag Wilkerson a third time, but the money jumps into a different stratosphere -- a minimum of $27.1 million. By rule, his 2018 salary would be 144 percent of his 2017 pay OR the franchise-tag amount for quarterbacks OR 120 percent of the average of the top five at his position ... whichever is greater.

Playing the tag game for more than one year isn't sound cap management -- it's also not a player-friendly approach -- but it's an option for the Jets.

6. Mo-nster of the Midway ?  There will be a ton of Wilkerson speculation over the next few weeks as we draw closer to the draft. One of the teams to watch is the Chicago Bears. They need a defensive lineman in their 3-4, they have $23.7 million in cap room and they own the 11th pick in the draft. I think the Jets would make the trade in a New York minute if they got the 11th pick.

rest of above article  :  

>  http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/59432/jets-ryan-fitzpatrick-standoff-could-be-reaching-crunch-time

[kelly]

Monday Morning Quarterback

On Kaepernick, Kelly and the Player Who Could Upend the NFL Draft

MON APR. 4, 2016

Ten Things I Think I Think

~ ~  6. I think if you want Muhammad Wilkerson of the Jets, you’d better offer more than a low first-round pick. This is one of the five best defensive linemen in football, by any measure. He’s 26. Other than the fluky broken leg suffered at the end of last season, his health is fine. That injury is the only argument any team could make that Wilkerson is not worth, say, picks in the first and third or fourth round.

rest of above article : 

> http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/03/colin-kaepernick-trade-broncos-49ers-titans-jalen-ramsey-nfl-draft

[SenorGato]

I feel like every team has gotten an article wondering whether they should trade for Wilkerson and "no sh*t" seems to be the consensus. 

[Joe Jets fan]

1 hour ago, SenorGato said:

I feel like every team has gotten an article wondering whether they should trade for Wilkerson and "no sh*t" seems to be the consensus. 

Then why hasn't  it happened?

[Raideraholic]

1 hour ago, SenorGato said:

I feel like every team has gotten an article wondering whether they should trade for Wilkerson and "no sh*t" seems to be the consensus. 

No denying Muhammad Wilkerson is a talented player.  There is a big difference just spending money on a player, and spending money on a player,  plus giving up draft picks also.( double whammy)  For that reason there isn't going to be a lot teams in on a Wilkerson trade.

Why when it comes to Muhammad Wilkerson , it's going to be hard for the Jets to get fair compensation back in a trade for a talented player like Wilkerson.     

These NFL writers can blow smoke all they want that the Jets should get back at least a number 1 pick, ( create unrealistic expectations for their fan base) .   Jmo If The Jets general manager able to secure a high second round pick( trading Wilkerson)  , he has done a pretty good job.

[SenorGato]

18 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Then why hasn't  it happened?

Was/Is there a deadline or something that you seem so convinced this is a thing? The Jets didn't move Revis until 4/21 in 2013, and this year the draft is on the 28th. 

[Joe Jets fan]

23 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Was/Is there a deadline or something that you seem so convinced this is a thing? The Jets didn't move Revis until 4/21 in 2013, and this year the draft is on the 28th. 

So your decision was to not answer in any way shape or form?

[Raideraholic]

27 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Was/Is there a deadline or something that you seem so convinced this is a thing? The Jets didn't move Revis until 4/21 in 2013, and this year the draft is on the 28th. 

Even you SenorGato have the admit it's a little different now than back than.   Back than you weren't so tight against the Cap.   Had your starting Qb under contract, and had money to draft.      

   Sure the Jets can cut both tackles to create cash. But that isn't a recipe for success.      There is a big difference taking an offensive tackle in the top five, and taking one with the twenty pick.    There isn't any veteran options at  offensive tackles out there anymore.

[SenorGato]

2 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

So your decision was to not answer in any way shape or form?

It's not a thing, your imaginary deadline is/was imaginary. That a trade hasn't happened doesn't mean teams aren't interested.

[SenorGato]

11 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Even you SenorGato have the admit it's a little different now than back than.   Back than you weren't so tight against the Cap.   Had your starting Qb under contract, and had money to draft.      

   Sure the Jets can cut both tackles to create cash. But that isn't a recipe for success.      There is a big difference taking an offensive tackle in the top five, and taking one with the twenty pick.    There isn't any veteran options at  offensive tackles out there anymore.

There's 3+ moves the Jets can make to create cap space without moving Wilkerson. Something with the tackles, extending Marshall, and restructuring Revis.

[kelly]

Muhammad Wilkerson is one of the best 3-4 defensive ends in the NFL; heck, if he played in a 4-3 defense, he’d probably be one of the game’s best tackles.He’s big (6-4, 315 pounds), young (26) and talented (12 sacks in 2016). He stays out of trouble off the field, and is one of the best guys in the community.

So then why the heck is he so unwanted ?

Why do guys like Olivier Vernon (Giants) and Malik Jackson (Jaguars) get massive contracts, yet Wilkerson is still floating around with few trade bidders ?

The answer’s simple : Things are complicated.

Wilkerson, as things stand right now, is under contract with the Jets entering 2016. At the deadline, the team placed the franchise tag on Wilkerson, ‘awarding’ him a one-year contract worth the top-fivehighest paid at his position. As a defensive end, that means a $15.7 million contract.The Jets, with Leonard Williams and Sheldon Richardson also under contract, have made it known they want to trade Wilkerson. With limited cap space, and holes elsewhere on the roster, New York isn’t dumb… trading the Jersey native, getting something in return, and freeing $15 million puts the franchise in a better position, than simply having Wilkerson on the roster.

Something doesn’t make sense, right? The math doesn’t add up? When you combine the fact Wilkerson is young/talented/trouble-free, with fact the Jets are better off moving him than keeping him, it should equate to a bang-bang deal, right?

The Jets should have no problem trading him… right ?

See, here’s where that’s wrong, and things get tricky.

Had Wilkerson been an unrestricted free agent and allowed to test the open waters, there’s a very real shot he’d get a deal larger than the one given to Jackson (six years, $90 million), and maybe even on par with Vernon (five years, $85 million). He’s more proven than either of those two players, just as young, and would be nearly as impactful, if not more.But see, Jackson and Vernon were free agents. Wilkerson is not. The only thing the Giants and Jaguars had to part with in order to acquire their services was money. With Wilkerson, there’s that ugly little ‘C’ word:

Compensation.

If a poll was conducted amongst the 31 other NFL teams on if they’d like to have Wilkerson on the roster, odds are, there would be resounding answer of “yes.”But, if that same poll was conducted specifying that a team would need to part with a first-round pick, a few may bow out.If a follow-up poll was conducted stating that in order to acquire Wilkerson a team would not only have to part with a first-round pick, but also $15 plus million in cap space as part of a new deal?

Well, now you see the dilemma Wilkerson is presently in.

The Jets are, according to multiple reports, seeking a first-round pick for Wilkerson’s services. What that means is that whatever team wants to acquire Wilkerson will have to part with that selection in this year’s draft, plus give Wilkerson a big contract.That’s a double whammy. A tough pill to swallow. And to this point, no team has been willing to bite down. It’s not that no one wants Wilkerson. It’s that none can afford the price to acquire him.

The $15 million in cap space ? Ok. The parting with a first-round pick ? Fine.

The two together ?

Eh, maybe not.

>     http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/04/05/why-havent-the-jets-traded-muhammad-wilkerson-yet/

 

[kelly]

Earlier in the week, MMQB's Peter King wrote that he believes any team looking to trade for New York Jets D-lineman Muhammad Wilkerson better be ready to offer more than just a first-round selection. As King sees it, Wilkerson is "one of the five best defensive linemen in football, by any measure" and worthy of netting the Jets "picks in the first and third or fourth round," in return. By this measure, Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune sees very little chance that theChicago Bears will swing a deal for Wilkerson, despite major interest from fans.While the Jets are open to trading Wilkerson, Biggs believes Bears general manager Ryan Pace places too high a premium on draft picks to make a good trade partner for New York, despite the high-profile deal he swung with the Jets last offseason. In Biggs' opinion, Chicago has a plan in place to use the next three draft classes to "lay the foundation for what they want to have." To give up the two picks King believes necessary to acquire Wilkerson would throw a wrench in the "build through the draft" strategy Biggs believes Chicago wants to follow.

By giving up a first-round pick for such a high-priced player like Wilkerson, whom Biggs expects will want a new contract in the neighborhood of Malik Jackson's recent deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Bears will be giving up on the cheap labor that comes with the first four years of a rookie contract. Biggs writes, "Let’s say, just for the sake of argument, Wilkerson could be signed to a deal averaging $16 million per season. That’s still going to be about $4 million more than the 11th pick in this draft will get over the next four seasons combined."Another suggested scenario that Biggs finds unlikely is Chicago engineering a swap of Wilkerson for wide receiver Alshon Jeffery. With Brandon Marshall andEric Decker already in the fold, WR doesn't seem to be a big enough position of need for New York to ditch a top talent like Wilkerson for. And trading Jeffery would leave too big of a void of play-makers on offense for Jay Cutler & Co.

While Bears fans might want desperately to see a star like Wilkerson don a Chicago uniform, it seems much more likely Pace will continue to build through the draft.

>      http://espn.go.com/blog/nfl/rumors/post/_/id/30029/nfl-rumor-central-bears-unlikely-to-trade-for-wilkerson

[Beerfish]

The comment about the salary is very valid, the picks, not sure about that, if Wilk was 30 years old it would be more of a factor but he's only 26 and is a proven high end player.  If Pace feels his job is super secure then he can go for the three year foundation strat but you have to hit on most of your picks, it all comes down to relatively young, 100% proven expensive talent vs cheap but totally unproven picks.

I actually think King and some others have overvalued what Mo will bring back.  (As in a 1st plus)

 

[kelly]

Do  you think the Bears will give up their first-round pick for Muhammad Wilkerson? -- @jetsfan29 

In the illustrious history of the Bears Mailbag, few topics have generated more interest than this inquiry, especially in the last week or so. Reports out of New York indicate theJets would certainly entertain trade offers for Wilkerson, who is one of the best defensive linemen in the league. New York has depth at the position with Sheldon Richardson andLeonard Williams, their first-round pick from last year, and the Jets are tight up against the salary cap with Wilkerson’s franchise tag taking up $15.7 million in space. As we know, the Bears are in need of another starting five technique end after signing Akiem Hicks in free agency. Add in the fact that Bears general manager Ryan Pace pulled off a high-profile trade last offseason with his Jets counterpart Mike Maccagnan (even if the deal didn’t net the Bears a whole lot for wide receiver Brandon Marshall) and just about everyone is playing connect-the-dots with Wilkerson and the Bears.

Wilkerson, 26, is a player in his prime and while the Jets might listen to offers for him, I can’t imagine they’re hellbent on trading him, meaning I doubt they’re going to part with him cheaply. He’s got the ability to be stout vs. the run and has 36 ½ sacks in his four-year career. He’d be a stud in any defensive front in the league and he’d certainly fit what the Bears are seeking. 

With Pace putting a huge premium in draft picks, I think chances are slim that he would consider trading away his first-round draft pick. It’s my belief the Bears are operating with the idea in mind that it will take three draft classes to really lay the foundation for what   they want to have. Yes, trading a first for Wilkerson would give them a huge piece for their defense but the 11th pick in the draft last year, Vikings cornerback Trae Waynes, received a four-year contract worth a little more than $11.5 million and the deal includes a club option for a fifth year. That’s cheap labor. Wilkerson has to be looking at the contractMalik Jackson got from the Jaguars in free agency ($85.5 million over five years with $42 million guaranteed and an annual average salary of $17.1 million) and thinking that would look pretty good. Let’s say, just for the sake of argument, Wilkerson could be signed to a deal averaging $16 million per season. That’s still going to be about $4 million more than the 11th pick in this draft will get over the next four seasons combined. The draft brings with it cheap labor and that’s why the teams that draft successfully are typically the ones that can sustain success in a league with a salary cap.

Some have suggested to me the Bears could send the 11th pick to the Jets for Wilkerson and the 20th overall pick, which is where New York is drafting. Really? Trade charts will tell you the difference between 11 and 20 is probably worth a late second-round pick. Are the Jets really going to fork over Wilkerson for value that equates to a late second-round pick? I tend to think no because the salary cap issues the Jets have can be managed. Remember, those numbers are constantly moving and space can always be created.Others have suggested the Bears could engineer a swap of Wilkerson for wide receiverAlshon Jeffery. Of course, the Jets would want to be able to sign Jeffery to a long-term deal and that doesn’t add up to me because it puts the Bears back where they were at this point a year ago – in serious need of playmakers for quarterback Jay Cutler. Wide receiver isn’t a huge need area for the Jets right now either.

Let’s consider another element here if the Bears were to find a way to trade for Wilkerson. They’d have to hammer out a long-term contract for him and as I detailed above, that’s going to cost a ton of money. Don’t worry about the cap ramifications. Again, space can always be created if a team wants to do that. But you’ve got to consider the cash budget as well. The Bears have publicly stated they hope to sign Jeffery to a long-term deal and if they accomplish that goal, it’s probably going to cost $40 million guaranteed or more. The question you have to consider is does the team have the cash in the budget to do a deal for Jeffery and Wilkerson? Now we’re talking about something north of $80 million guaranteed with plenty of that money upfront this year in terms of base salary, signing bonuses or roster bonuses etc. 

Wilkerson would look dynamite in a Bears uniform but the Jets aren’t going to part with him for nothing and Pace is looking to add more draft picks, not shed them. It’s a strong draft for defensive lineman and an ideal world the Bears can find their own Wilkerson in the draft. Could a deal go down? I wouldn’t rule anything out because Pace has proven he’s willing to be aggressive in building the roster. But he’s most interested right now in building via the draft.

>       http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/blog/ct-bears-draft-pick-muhammad-wilkerson-20160406-story.html

[Integrity28]

http://www.inquisitr.com/2973433/nfl-rumors-new-york-jets-trading-muhammad-wilkerson-to-philadelphia-eagles/

 

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NFL rumors are swirling around Muhammad Wilkerson. Though he is one of the best football players on the planet, the New York Jets are seriously considering the possibility of trading the talented defensive end. The team needs salary cap space so that they can sign starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Several teams in the National Football League have expressed interest in acquiring Wilkerson. According to ESPN, a potential landing spot for the 26-year-old is the Philadelphia Eagles.

 

Back when he was a college football star, Muhammad Wilkerson played for the Temple Owls. The team happens to play their home games at Lincoln Financial Field. That happens to be the home of the Philadelphia Eagles as well. Location might not be important to every player in the NFL, but it could make the Eagles seem more appealing of a home for Wilkerson. When players are comfortable, they might play better on the field.

 

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Fletcher Cox [Photo by Mitchell Leff/Getty Images]

Since a contract between the two sides has yet to be signed, the Philadelphia Eagles are concerned about the status of Fletcher Cox. Talks between the two sides have stalled. There are even reports surfacing that Cox could be playing for a new NFL team next season. The Eagles are open to the idea of trading away the 25-year-old Mississippi native. It might even take place as soon as the upcoming draft.

 

Like most defensive coordinators in the NFL, Jim Schwartz would love for the Philadelphia Eagles to be able to generate a pass rush without being forced to blitz. That way, he can have more players available in pass coverage. There are not a lot of players in the National Football League that can consistently get to the quarterback. Muhammad Wilkerson happens to be one of those players. Schwartz can draw up a lot of exotic pass coverage schemes with Wilkerson around.

 

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Jim Schwartz [Photo by Mitchell Leff/Getty Images]

It will be interesting to see where the Philadelphia Eagles play Muhammad Wilkerson if they do acquire him from the New York Jets. With his current team, Wilkerson plays defensive end in a 3-4 scheme. At 6’4″, 315 pounds, Muhammad had the requisite size to go up against offensive tackles. He often times would win those battles. In the 4-3 scheme, he might be required to move inside to defensive tackle. There, he would be going up against centers and guards.

 

There’s a chance that Muhammad Wilkerson might not need to change positions with the Philadelphia Eagles. Though he would be bigger than most defensive ends in a 4-3 scheme, Wilkerson has the athleticism to play the spot. He would simply need to be placed on the strong side. Usually, the weak side defensive end in a 4-3 front is quicker. They are required to run past the best left tackles in the NFL.

 

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Connor Barwin [Photo by Mitchell Leff/Getty Images]

One drawback of acquiring Muhammad Wilkerson is that he is going to be a drain on the salary cap. The New York Jets have already given him the franchise tag. That means that the Philadelphia Eagles would be required to play him $15.7 million in salary. The Philadelphia Eagles were stung in free agency last summer. They have since fixed some of that by trading away DeMarco Murray and Byron Maxwell. The team could be hesitant to tie themselves up again this season.

 

Acquiring someone like Muhammad Wilkerson can change the game. It can alter the landscape of the NFL. The Philadelphia Eagles attempted to do that last season. It didn’t work out too well. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie wants badly to win the Super Bowl. He might encourage his management team to swing for the fences again. Wilkerson is such a great player that he can be the one to make that happen.

 

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2973433/nfl-rumors-new-york-jets-trading-muhammad-wilkerson-to-philadelphia-eagles/#gLK5ElL21pDx6iCj.99

 

[Dcat]

14 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

http://www.inquisitr.com/2973433/nfl-rumors-new-york-jets-trading-muhammad-wilkerson-to-philadelphia-eagles/

 

 

LOL @ "one of the best football players on the planet".  Are all Philly newspapers like this?

[Integrity28]

8 minutes ago, Dcat said:

LOL @ "one of the best football players on the planet".  Are all Philly newspapers like this?

No idea. It was the lengthiest article I could find tying him to Philly, but I've seen a bit of buzz about it on Twatter.

I'm hoping trading him gives us a shot at making two first round picks this year, and address 2/3 of LT, OLB and QB.

[Patriot Killa]

23 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

No idea. It was the lengthiest article I could find tying him to Philly, but I've seen a bit of buzz about it on Twatter.

I'm hoping trading him gives us a shot at making two first round picks this year, and address 2/3 of LT, OLB and QB.

At this point we need someone's first and our own first. LT, QB and pass rushers are very important positions... And with our schedule this year it could get ugly if we don't atleast some what fix this.

[FidelioJet]

11 hours ago, Dcat said:

LOL @ "one of the best football players on the planet".  Are all Philly newspapers like this?

i live in they Philly area.   Their sports reporting is often worse than NY.

I doubt there's any truth to this whatsoever.

 

 

 

 

[Ex-Rex]

Lets face reality Jets fans. Mo doesn't want to be a Jet and he has proven it with his outrageous contract demands. He wants to get paid like JJ Watt and he clearly is a cut below him. The defensive line is the deepest and best position on the team and I think Mac should drop the franchise tag which makes him far more easily traded. If another team signs him for that outrageous amount so be it. Let him wreck their cap, not ours. Mo - as good as he is - can be replaced by Leonard Williams I think. Richardson has a lot of upside, but he is a loose cannon off the field so Mac will have to be very careful not to overpay him also.

[bmd71]

Just throwing this out there - 

Mo Wilk and pick #20 to Tampa Bay for pick #9, Glennon, and their third round pick.

Does anyone think that this would be a fair deal?

 

[bealeb319]

3 hours ago, bmd71 said:

Just throwing this out there - 

Mo Wilk and pick #20 to Tampa Bay for pick #9, Glennon, and their third round pick.

Does anyone think that this would be a fair deal?

 

Depends on who is still available at pick 9. If for some reason Wentz were still there why would we bother asking for Glennon. If for some reason Tunsil or Myles Jack were still there the asking price might be much higher for their pick. Crazy things can happen in the draft, last season was a great example when Williams fell to pick 6 my jaw literally dropped when the Redskins passed on him.

[Dcat]

6 hours ago, bmd71 said:

Just throwing this out there - 

Mo Wilk and pick #20 to Tampa Bay for pick #9, Glennon, and their third round pick.

Does anyone think that this would be a fair deal?

 

biased in favor of the Jets.  Tampa thinks it can get a 2nd or at least a 3rd for Glennon by himself. They could give us 9 for 20 + Mo, but that's about it.  They wouldn't be adding any other picks or Glennon.

[Savage69]

7 minutes ago, Dcat said:

biased in favor of the Jets.  Tampa thinks it can get a 2nd or at least a 3rd for Glennon by himself. They could give us 9 for 20 + Mo, but that's about it.  They wouldn't be adding any other picks or Glennon.

Yep but I doubt if they would..

[kelly]

NFL rumors are swirling around Muhammad Wilkerson. Though he is one of the best football players on the planet, the New York Jets are seriously considering the possibility of trading the talented defensive end. The team needs salary cap space so that they can sign starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Several teams in the National Football League have expressed interest in acquiring Wilkerson.According to ESPN, a potential landing spot for the 26-year-old is the Philadelphia Eagles.

 

Back when he was a college football star, Muhammad Wilkerson played for the Temple Owls. The team happens to play their home games at Lincoln Financial Field. That happens to be the home of the Philadelphia Eagles as well. Location might not be important to every player in the NFL, but it could make the Eagles seem more appealing of a home for Wilkerson. When players are comfortable, they might play better on the field. Since a contract between the two sides has yet to be signed, the Philadelphia Eagles are concerned about the status of Fletcher Cox. Talks between the two sides have stalled. There are even reports surfacing that Cox could be playing for a new NFL team next season. The Eagles are open to the idea of trading away the 25-year-old Mississippi native. It might even take place as soon as the upcoming draft.

 

Like most defensive coordinators in the NFL, Jim Schwartz would love for the Philadelphia Eagles to be able to generate a pass rush without being forced to blitz. That way, he can have more players available in pass coverage. There are not a lot of players in the National Football League that can consistently get to the quarterback. Muhammad Wilkerson happens to be one of those players. Schwartz can draw up a lot of exotic pass coverage schemes with Wilkerson around.One drawback of acquiring Muhammad Wilkerson is that he is going to be a drain on the salary cap. The New York Jets have already given him the franchise tag. That means that the Philadelphia Eagles would be required to play him $15.7 million in salary. The Philadelphia Eagles were stung in free agency last summer. They have since fixed some of that by trading away DeMarco Murray and Byron  Maxwell . The team could be hesitant to tie themselves up again this season.

 

Acquiring someone like Muhammad Wilkerson can change the game. It can alter the landscape of the NFL. The Philadelphia Eagles attempted to do that last season. It didn’t work out too well. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie wants badly to win the Super Bowl. He might encourage his management team to swing for the fences again. Wilkerson is such a great player that he can be the one to make that happen.

 

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[Ex-Rex]

As I have said repeatedly, Mo Wilkerson can be replaced with a guy already on the roster - Leonard Williams, so there is no need for the franchise tag, which basically makes him untradeable. I would and will pound the table for Mac to remove the albatross from the Jets necks which is the franchise tag on Mo. He is NOT worth QB money to any team in the NFL and that is what the Jets will have to pay him. 15.7 million is ludicrous, and unwise. Plus, if the Jets keep him they will be in the same position next year and will lose him FOR NOTHING. Take the tag off and he immediately becomes tradeable and if he leaves so be it, like I said the team has his replacement in house.

[section314]

On 3/19/2016 at 0:00 PM, Sperm Edwards said:

My thought is we'd never get close to that in return. I'm guessing (maybe optimistically) Mo's trade value is a low #1 or possibly even a higher #2 plus a 4th or lower, because of the mega contract his new team would also have to fork over. Even with that, they'd be valuing Mo over 3 other would-be starters (a high draft pick plus two other $6-10M/year starters).  I'd like for it to be more, but would be shocked if we could get a top 20 pick for him. 

So if that's even Mo's trade value, in this scenario Tampa would be seeking a Mo/Glennon player swap even-up (more or less). We'd never ALSO get their top 10 pick AND their #11 pick in round 3 (which is really like the 10th pick in round 3 because NE is docked their 1st rounder). 

If we were able to get just Tampa's (or anyone's) top 10 pick alone for Mo, that trade would have been done already. 

 

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7 minutes ago, kelly said:

NFL rumors are swirling around Muhammad Wilkerson. Though he is one of the best football players on the planet, the New York Jets are seriously considering the possibility of trading the talented defensive end. The team needs salary cap space so that they can sign starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Several teams in the National Football League have expressed interest in acquiring Wilkerson.According to ESPN, a potential landing spot for the 26-year-old is the Philadelphia Eagles.

 

Back when he was a college football star, Muhammad Wilkerson played for the Temple Owls. The team happens to play their home games at Lincoln Financial Field. That happens to be the home of the Philadelphia Eagles as well. Location might not be important to every player in the NFL, but it could make the Eagles seem more appealing of a home for Wilkerson. When players are comfortable, they might play better on the field. Since a contract between the two sides has yet to be signed, the Philadelphia Eagles are concerned about the status of Fletcher Cox. Talks between the two sides have stalled. There are even reports surfacing that Cox could be playing for a new NFL team next season. The Eagles are open to the idea of trading away the 25-year-old Mississippi native. It might even take place as soon as the upcoming draft.

 

Like most defensive coordinators in the NFL, Jim Schwartz would love for the Philadelphia Eagles to be able to generate a pass rush without being forced to blitz. That way, he can have more players available in pass coverage. There are not a lot of players in the National Football League that can consistently get to the quarterback. Muhammad Wilkerson happens to be one of those players. Schwartz can draw up a lot of exotic pass coverage schemes with Wilkerson around.One drawback of acquiring Muhammad Wilkerson is that he is going to be a drain on the salary cap. The New York Jets have already given him the franchise tag. That means that the Philadelphia Eagles would be required to play him $15.7 million in salary. The Philadelphia Eagles were stung in free agency last summer. They have since fixed some of that by trading away DeMarco Murray and Byron  Maxwell . The team could be hesitant to tie themselves up again this season.

 

Acquiring someone like Muhammad Wilkerson can change the game. It can alter the landscape of the NFL. The Philadelphia Eagles attempted to do that last season. It didn’t work out too well. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie wants badly to win the Super Bowl. He might encourage his management team to swing for the fences again. Wilkerson is such a great player that he can be the one to make that happen.

 

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Is Mo taking an off season creative writing class? This is hilarious.

[Ex-Rex]

7 minutes ago, kelly said:

NFL rumors are swirling around Muhammad Wilkerson. Though he is one of the best football players on the planet, the New York Jets are seriously considering the possibility of trading the talented defensive end. The team needs salary cap space so that they can sign starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Several teams in the National Football League have expressed interest in acquiring Wilkerson.According to ESPN, a potential landing spot for the 26-year-old is the Philadelphia Eagles.

 

Back when he was a college football star, Muhammad Wilkerson played for the Temple Owls. The team happens to play their home games at Lincoln Financial Field. That happens to be the home of the Philadelphia Eagles as well. Location might not be important to every player in the NFL, but it could make the Eagles seem more appealing of a home for Wilkerson. When players are comfortable, they might play better on the field. Since a contract between the two sides has yet to be signed, the Philadelphia Eagles are concerned about the status of Fletcher Cox. Talks between the two sides have stalled. There are even reports surfacing that Cox could be playing for a new NFL team next season. The Eagles are open to the idea of trading away the 25-year-old Mississippi native. It might even take place as soon as the upcoming draft.

 

Like most defensive coordinators in the NFL, Jim Schwartz would love for the Philadelphia Eagles to be able to generate a pass rush without being forced to blitz. That way, he can have more players available in pass coverage. There are not a lot of players in the National Football League that can consistently get to the quarterback. Muhammad Wilkerson happens to be one of those players. Schwartz can draw up a lot of exotic pass coverage schemes with Wilkerson around.One drawback of acquiring Muhammad Wilkerson is that he is going to be a drain on the salary cap. The New York Jets have already given him the franchise tag. That means that the Philadelphia Eagles would be required to play him $15.7 million in salary. The Philadelphia Eagles were stung in free agency last summer. They have since fixed some of that by trading away DeMarco Murray and Byron  Maxwell . The team could be hesitant to tie themselves up again this season.

 

Acquiring someone like Muhammad Wilkerson can change the game. It can alter the landscape of the NFL. The Philadelphia Eagles attempted to do that last season. It didn’t work out too well. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie wants badly to win the Super Bowl. He might encourage his management team to swing for the fences again. Wilkerson is such a great player that he can be the one to make that happen.

 

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What would the Eagles offer be? A first rounder? Number eight pick? Doubtful. This draft is deep in D-LINE prospects so why give a first rounder for a guy they need to pay QB money to when they can draft a similar guy and pay him a fourth of that?

[chirorob]

8 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

As I have said repeatedly, Mo Wilkerson can be replaced with a guy already on the roster - Leonard Williams, so there is no need for the franchise tag, which basically makes him untradeable. I would and will pound the table for Mac to remove the albatross from the Jets necks which is the franchise tag on Mo. He is NOT worth QB money to any team in the NFL and that is what the Jets will have to pay him. 15.7 million is ludicrous, and unwise. Plus, if the Jets keep him they will be in the same position next year and will lose him FOR NOTHING. Take the tag off and he immediately becomes tradeable and if he leaves so be it, like I said the team has his replacement in house.

If you take it off, he is a FA, and therefor can not be traded, best case you get a late 3 for him next year.

[jack48]

D line prospects, maybe one of whom will reach Mo's level in 3 or 4 years. Probably not.  I think the money kills the deal, though.  It kills deals and it kills our cap.  We have no future QB and he will have to be paid.  The future cap will not support that and a championship team.

[jamesr]

8 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

As I have said repeatedly, Mo Wilkerson can be replaced with a guy already on the roster - Leonard Williams, so there is no need for the franchise tag, which basically makes him untradeable. I would and will pound the table for Mac to remove the albatross from the Jets necks which is the franchise tag on Mo. He is NOT worth QB money to any team in the NFL and that is what the Jets will have to pay him. 15.7 million is ludicrous, and unwise. Plus, if the Jets keep him they will be in the same position next year and will lose him FOR NOTHING. Take the tag off and he immediately becomes tradeable and if he leaves so be it, like I said the team has his replacement in house.

If you take the tag off, he becomes a free agent ... so there is no trade, he just walks. So we lose him for nothing THIS YEAR.

[kelly]

The New York Jets' master plan is to build methodically through the draft, but sometimes they act like they want it all now. They're teetering between two philosophical approaches -- too good to rebuild, but not good enough to make it Super Bowl-or-bust. Basically, they're stuck between a rock and a title chase.

It's a fascinating study in roster building.

A looming decision could shed light on the organizational path, and it involves their talented, unsigned defensive end -- Muhammad Wilkerson, he of the franchise tag and the trade rumors.If the Jets trade Wilkerson for draft picks, it would show they're willing to take a step back this year to help the long-term health of the roster. If they package him to draft a quarterback, who probably wouldn't help right away, it would be a classic building-for-tomorrow move.Teams that view themselves as contenders usually don't trade valuable assets, especially if the asset is only 26 years old. The Jets' most important players -- Brandon Marshall, Darrelle Revis, David Harris, Nick Mangold, et al. -- are older and aren't interested in building for tomorrow.

Thing is, the brain trust doesn't see a roster that is only one or two players away from making a championship run; it sees a roster rapidly approaching its expiration date -- or at least that's what it wants you to believe. That's why it's intrigued by the possibility of what Wilkerson could bring in a trade.With a surplus of defensive ends, they could seek to parlay their best bargaining chip into, say, two eventual starters -- or perhaps two immediate starters. They'd also be able to shed Wilkerson's $15.7 million cap charge, creating flexibility in post-draft free agency.

But they'd also be dealing away a top-5 defensive lineman. It's a tough decision.

If they don't get a legitimate offer for Wilkerson, it's a moot point and they roll with him for at least another year, helping their chances in 2016. After leaning toward win-now for the last two months, you get the feeling they see a trade as a great equalizer, adding balance to the offseason.Coming off a 10-win, almost-playoff season, the Jets want to remain as competitive as possible -- and that should be the objective. After raising hopes in Year 1 of the Todd Bowles-Mike Maccagnan regime, it would be unacceptable to downshift into a mini-rebuilding mode, especially in a demanding market like New York.At the same time, they're trying to overhaul a roster that has become too old and too thin, the direct result of poor drafting by previous administrations. There are a number of ways to illustrate this point, but this factoid jumped out over the weekend: The New England Patriots have 38 players with a cap charge of at least $1 million, as noted by Patscap.com and ESPN Patriots reporter Mike Reiss. A quick check shows the Jets have only 27.

That is a huge difference, especially when you consider New England's 38 includes one of the greatest quarterbacks in history.The Jets began the offseason hoping to get younger and build depth, yet we've seen a few examples where the win-now urge was the overriding factor in a roster decision. Of the five starters who are gone -- Antonio Cromartie, Demario Davis, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Damon Harrison andChris Ivory -- four were replaced by players who will be at least 30 years old on opening day.

Matt Forte for Ivory. Steve McLendon for Harrison. Ryan Clady for Ferguson. Erin Henderson for Davis. They've yet to replace Cromartie, but that could be an in-house move. If the Jets had been drafting well in recent years, they'd have in-house alternatives at the other positions, too.It's hard to get younger in free agency; that's a fact of life in the NFL. You can also see the team's logic behind each of the positional swaps. In most cases, money was the driving factor. We get it. But the plain truth is, the Jets have the oldest starting lineup in the AFC East -- 11 starters in the 30-and-up category, including unsigned quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Actions speak louder than words, and the Jets are acting like a franchise that wants to make one last run before the window closes. But the offseason isn't over. The narrative will change if they move Wilkerson.

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