Bowles Not Even Considering Benching Fitz

[Ex-Rex]

33 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Repeat after me Bowles is a MORON Bowles is a MORON 

I hope Fitzpatrick costs him his first and only head coaching job in the NFL

I don't blame Fitzpatrick for Steelers loss at all. No turnovers, good completion rate, despite two clear drops by Marshall. The vaunted defense once again had mental mistakes leading to big plays. First Steelers touchdown WTF was Marcus Williams doing in man coverage against Pitts fastest WR? Or maybe he wasn't and Pryor was once again too slow and too late to help out. This falls directly on Bowles and DC Kacy Rodgers, both of whom are dumber than dirt. Also where was the pass rush? The team did better in game one and two WITHOUT Sheldon Richardson who quite frankly has sucked this year. Bowles will not get a third season and doesn't deserve to when he defends an indefensible decision to punt with just over seven minutes left. "I was hoping for a three and out" The Jets got exactly ONE of those all game long, so yeah THAT was gonna happen. Then he said he would do the same thing again. Really? Are you listening Maccagnan?

[August]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

many have speculated he's here b/c petty isn't healthy.  we should find out soon enough at this rate.

But Petty had the best performance of all the QB's in preseason. And if Geno's job was on the line then he would've been the one playing in the 4th preseason game and not Petty. They always intended to keep 4 QB's imo. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, RutgersJetFan said:

They are 1-4. The season is lost. They are out of contention. Mutiny would be fine, gets us closer to the #1 overall. None of the vets are going to be here in 2 years and neither is the coach.

it's coming.  after they lose to arizona it will only get stronger.  then we'll hear petty is practicing.  that's the key, when petty is back.  then there's a countdown to the change.

[Sperm Edwards]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

1-4 is a death sentence. The Jets have an opportunity here and like clockwork, as they always do, are blowing it. You have to play Petty and Hackenberg to see who is worth keeping around next year. There is no downside to this. You either determine you have a quarterback for the future or you wind up with a top 3 draft pick.

This is where this franchise has gone wrong for decades. Chasing mediocrity, not knowing when to throw the towel in for the greater good. Can't wait to see where 2-3 extra W's lands us. Maybe another yet another first round cornerback. Because it's not like we've drafted nothing but corners and DL for the past ten years. Yay.

Don't you realize if they turn this thing around they can finish 8-8 or even 9-7? What do you want, for them to finish 2-14 if Petty is bad? And they'll ruin Hackenberg! What kind of fan are you???

[T0mShane]

Here's the positive spin on this. It may be a bit convoluted:

 

• Maccagnan  knew the team was going to suck, the schedule was too hard, and they needed another year before competing.
• Woody Johnson and the PSL halfwits were not aware of this fact
• Bowles, also a halfwit, liked having a game manager for his offense.
• Macc signs Fitz, satiating all parties, knowing full well the team would suck anyway.
• Macc and Bowles continue to start Fitz because he's a veteran who can handle the media focusing its wrath on him even though the rest of the team is awful.
• Fitz is effectively the $12 million dollar tarp draped over the sinkhole in the lawn.

[rex-n-effect]

Nor should he. Petty is still injured and Hackenburg apparently needs a year of development before they can even think of putting him on the field. Of the two QBs on the roster remaining Fitz is far and away the better of the two. That's not singing Fitz's praises, just recognizing the low quality of our options.

[August]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

for the first time this regime isn't chasing mediocrity, they're just using fitz until the season is lost.  the one thing they can't do is not use fitz who had 31 tds last year.  they have to use him until they're out of contention.  the vets would mutiny and that would be trouble.  as it is now, the vets are screwing up enough that they can only blame themselves.

What vets? Outside of the three amigos (Decker, Mangold and Marshall) I highly doubt the vets would "mutiny" if they benched Fitzpatrick. If the other QB comes in and gets the job done then it won't matter. 

[j4jets]

33 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

What would be the point of doing it? 

This is the worst excuse posted on this board. EVER. When you have a QB thats sucking and your team is not winning, you can either continue the 'suck', or you make a switch at the QB. 

[dbatesman]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Here's the positive spin on this. It may be a bit convoluted:

 

• Maccagnan  knew the team was going to suck, the schedule was too hard, and they needed another year before competing.
• Woody Johnson and the PSL halfwits were not aware of this fact
• Bowles, also a halfwit, liked having a game manager for his offense.
• Macc signs Fitz, satiating all parties, knowing full well the team would suck anyway.
• Macc and Bowles continue to start Fitz because he's a veteran who can handle the media focusing its wrath on him even though the rest of the team is awful.
• Fitz is effectively the $12 million dollar tarp draped over the sinkhole in the lawn.

So your spin is that the guy who spent a 2nd round pick on Christian Hackenberg is some secret genius?

[Jetdawgg]

19 minutes ago, Pac said:

I understand why he had to say it to start but now it has become a joke.  You can't keep talking about best chance to win when you're getting blown out every week.  If he keeps it up he's going to get fired.  Loyalty to your vets is a good thing but he's going to lose his team, if he already hasn't, with this blind devotion to the worst QB in the league.

Even Rex changed QB's....Oy

[August]

1 minute ago, j4jets said:

This is the worst excuse posted on this board. EVER. When you have a QB thats sucking and your team is not winning, you can either continue the 'suck', or you make a switch at the QB. 

I don't like the other because he sucks so let's keep this guy in who's sucking. That's literally the logic. 

[Ex-Rex]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

They are 1-4. The season is lost. They are out of contention. Mutiny would be fine, gets us closer to the #1 overall. None of the vets are going to be here in 2 years and neither is the coach.

I think Bowles gets his pink slip at the end of this season. He is clearly not ready to be a HC and that once again falls on the Jets and their insistence on hiring coordinators to be first time HC's. Got to break that tradition because it clearly doesn't work in NY.  Fitz was NOT the problem against Pittsburgh, the defense was and Gailey's crap play calling helped big time. Forte is a good RB and he not being used because he is NOT a hammer, but a slithering RB type, so Gailey has put him on the backburner. Problem is Fitz is at his best when play action passing. The coaching from the top down is defective. Bowles, Gailey and Rodgers will all be canned by seasons end, maybe sooner.

[Tinstar]

Seriously, why should he ? The vast majority of this town wanted this boob back as the QB and got what they wanted . Now they want the HC to ease their guilt and is willing to hang him whether he does or doesn't . 

Bowles deserves what he gets, because he didn't have the sand to do what needed doing . But honestly, why should he even entertain the idea of benching Fitzpatrick . After all, he gives you folks the best chance to win .

My question is what will we win ?

[August]

5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Don't you realize if they turn this thing around they can finish 8-8 or even 9-7? What do you want, for them to finish 2-14 if Petty is bad? And they'll ruin Hackenberg! What kind of fan are you???

We go 8-8 or 9-7 and miss the playoffs then what? 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

So your spin is that the guy who spent a 2nd round pick on Christian Hackenberg is some secret genius?

I didn't say it was a good plan. 

[Ex-Rex]

5 minutes ago, August said:

What vets? Outside of the three amigos (Decker, Mangold and Marshall) I highly doubt the vets would "mutiny" if they benched Fitzpatrick. If the other QB comes in and gets the job done then it won't matter. 

Fitz won't be benched until at least the bye week, because Bowles needs to "keep up appearances" that he is doing everything he can to win games. Putting Petty in there now would be raising the white flag of surrender. Petty will get in there when the Jets are 3-7 at the bye. This was never going to be a playoff season so lets not lose our minds here. Yes Bowles is in over his head and I would fire him for sure, but I would start with "offensive guru" Gailey who has completely neglected the run game to show how brilliant he is in the passing game. Well Chan, we have seen it and a "genius" you ain't. You can shuffle pass your a$$ right out of town for all I care. Sooner the better.

[Joe W. Namath]

The problem i have is Geno should not be on this team if they never intend to use him.  Thats bad management.  

Onviously, they are just waiting till the bye and then going right to petty.  

They obviously dislike Geno and thats probably warranted.  But in that case, you cut the guy and bring in a vet like Ponder to hold the number 2 spot until petty is ready.

 

[joewilly12]

15 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

I don't blame Fitzpatrick for Steelers loss at all. No turnovers, good completion rate, despite two clear drops by Marshall. The vaunted defense once again had mental mistakes leading to big plays. First Steelers touchdown WTF was Marcus Williams doing in man coverage against Pitts fastest WR? Or maybe he wasn't and Pryor was once again too slow and too late to help out. This falls directly on Bowles and DC Kacy Rodgers, both of whom are dumber than dirt. Also where was the pass rush? The team did better in game one and two WITHOUT Sheldon Richardson who quite frankly has sucked this year. Bowles will not get a third season and doesn't deserve to when he defends an indefensible decision to punt with just over seven minutes left. "I was hoping for a three and out" The Jets got exactly ONE of those all game long, so yeah THAT was gonna happen. Then he said he would do the same thing again. Really? Are you listening Maccagnan?

Fitz's 1 and only TD pass should have been an INT if Marshall didnt wrestle the ball away from the defender. He played scared under threw a lot of balls and had no rhythm with any of the WRs. 

Bowles is in over his head and he needs to go before more damage is done to this team. 

[Ex-Rex]

2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Fitz's 1 and only TD pass should have been an INT if Marshall didnt wrestle the ball away from the defender. He played scared under threw a lot of balls and had no rhythm with any of the WRs. 

Bowles is in over his head and he needs to go before more damage is done to this team. 

But it wasn't. It still counts as a TD pass whether YOU like it or not. I am no Fitz apologist but he WILL be the Jets QB until the bye week at least. I think the problem is coaching from top to bottom and I guess you agree with me on that. So that's something.

[Mike135]

This franchise is lost and has to enter complete, total, unabashed rebuild mode immediately.

Is anyone surprised?  This is the guy who said Fitz was the starter over the summer when he wasn't even signed.  Bowles is in over his head.  Nice enough guy, but he can go now.

[The Crusher]

23 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

1-4 is a death sentence. The Jets have an opportunity here and like clockwork, as they always do, are blowing it. You have to play Petty and Hackenberg to see who is worth keeping around next year. There is no downside to this. You either determine you have a quarterback for the future or you wind up with a top 3 draft pick.

This is where this franchise has gone wrong for decades. Chasing mediocrity, not knowing when to throw the towel in for the greater good. Can't wait to see where 2-3 extra W's lands us. Maybe yet another first round cornerback. Because it's not like we've drafted nothing but corners and DL for the past ten years. Yay.

This is all that has to be said. Put the young dudes in and see if we have a QB.  If not we lose out and get a chance to take a top QB in draft.  3-4 more useless wins just prolongs this stupid cycle of participation trophy wins.   

[j4jets]

9 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Seriously, why should he ? The vast majority of this town wanted this boob back as the QB and got what they wanted . Now they want the HC to ease their guilt and is willing to hang him whether he does or doesn't . 

Bowles deserves what he gets, because he didn't have the sand to do what needed doing . But honestly, why should he even entertain the idea of benching Fitzpatrick . After all, he gives you folks the best chance to win .

My question is what will we win ?

Best chance to win 1 out of 5. If thats what they meant, then sure. Other QBs might have given us more than a win, or we go winless. No difference in 1-4 or 0-5. In fact, 0-5 may actually be better. It'll get rid of the Walking Dead zombie we call HC. 

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

This is all that has to be said. Put the young dudes in and see if we have a QB.  If not we lose out and get a chance to take a top QB in draft.  3-4 more useless wins just prolongs this stupid cycle of participation trophy wins.   

petty isn't even practicing yet.  

[joewilly12]

Then where is our 2nd round pick QB other teams re playing QB's chosen way later in the draft is this a MACC BLUNDER AS WELL. 

[Snell41]

59 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

There's no way he's being benched until at least the 7th loss.

This entire team is a mess right now...Benching the QB is unlikely to help anyway.  Once they're out of it you can go with a youth movement and let Petty/Hack play.

Benching Fitz will help beyond exponential means.  It may not translate to wins for certain, but it allows us to evaluate Petty and Hackenburg now, instead of having to go into next season with no idea.  Can you imagine we go 4-12 without having seen Hack or Petty, and DON'T draft a 1st round QB because we're counting on one of them to come through!?!?

[UnitedWhofans]

22 minutes ago, j4jets said:

This is the worst excuse posted on this board. EVER. When you have a QB thats sucking and your team is not winning, you can either continue the 'suck', or you make a switch at the QB. 

He hasn't lost trust in the locker room. To pull him without a legitimate reason (and sucking isn't because they are still behind him) would cause alienation

[Big Blocker]

9 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Fitz's 1 and only TD pass should have been an INT if Marshall didnt wrestle the ball away from the defender. He played scared under threw a lot of balls and had no rhythm with any of the WRs. 

Bowles is in over his head and he needs to go before more damage is done to this team. 

These should have been arguments are whiny and lame.  Try to grow up a bit.

[Big Blocker]

4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

petty isn't even practicing yet.  

Yep.  Jets are not making any move at Qb unless and until Petty is ready, if then.

 

[j4jets]

1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said:

He hasn't lost trust in the locker room. To pull him without a legitimate reason (and sucking isn't because they are still behind him) would cause alienation

You did not just type that. 

[joewilly12]

Just now, Big Blocker said:

These should have been arguments are whiny and lame.  Try to grow up a bit.

We are 1-4 we are playing bad football this team is in total disarray  unprepared every Sunday. Get a clue dont make your lack of of football knowledge and your love for Fitzpatrick turn this personal. 

Get a life. 

[Mike135]

Just now, j4jets said:

You did not just type that. 

Lol

[j4jets]

Just now, Mike135 said:

Lol

Its been that kind of a stretch lately.

[ChuckkieB]

If the Jets continue to lose with Fitz at the helm and Bowles refuses to bench him over the coming weeks, he will be signing his own walking papers.  Every loss will increase the public cries for a change at QB, and the fact that the team has TWO young QB's that would greatly benefit from getting legit game reps and experience makes it even more inconceivable to keep playing Fitz if the losses keep mounting.

[Sperm Edwards]

12 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

1-4 is a death sentence. The Jets have an opportunity here and like clockwork, as they always do, are blowing it. You have to play Petty and Hackenberg to see who is worth keeping around next year. There is no downside to this. You either determine you have a quarterback for the future or you wind up with a top 3 draft pick.

This is where this franchise has gone wrong for decades. Chasing mediocrity, not knowing when to throw the towel in for the greater good. Can't wait to see where 2-3 extra W's lands us. Maybe yet another first round cornerback. Because it's not like we've drafted nothing but corners and DL for the past ten years. Yay.

In all seriousness, though, this would have been a giftwrapped opportunity to give a kid a chance without cries of "Yeah but he was only playing against the other team's backups." If he doesn't want to put Geno in to even mop up that KC game or have a quick hook a week later, then how dare he lock him in as the #2 QB and put Petty in the PS4 game. 

Had they played this right, this was a dream scenario (except to those deluded enough to think we had an actual chance this year): horrible open to the season from a scheduling point of view, where right from week 1 they could have sent Fitz out to his certain, eventual doom. Then bring in Petty or a rookie after that, and he gets a good 10 starts this year without rabid fans screaming that they ruined the season on the altar of getting Petty live reps.

Cutting their own balls off, Bowles sends Petty out there in the last preseason game (as though he never heard of the Ryan-Idzik-Sanchez-Geno thingy from 2013), and he gets badly injured. Worse still, he did so knowing or thinking the rookie is 100% unusable himself this year even for mop-up snaps (a crime in itself). 

What a cluster**** of boob-itis we have for a team brain trust.

[August]

21 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

Fitz won't be benched until at least the bye week, because Bowles needs to "keep up appearances" that he is doing everything he can to win games. Putting Petty in there now would be raising the white flag of surrender. Petty will get in there when the Jets are 3-7 at the bye. This was never going to be a playoff season so lets not lose our minds here. Yes Bowles is in over his head and I would fire him for sure, but I would start with "offensive guru" Gailey who has completely neglected the run game to show how brilliant he is in the passing game. Well Chan, we have seen it and a "genius" you ain't. You can shuffle pass your a$$ right out of town for all I care. Sooner the better.

If a change happened now most people would understand.