Geno TORE ACL

[johnnyjet]

This all but guarantees Geno will win a Super Bowl within 3 years with the Cleveland Browns.  FML! 

 

Hope he has a speedy recovery.  I was never a fan but hate to see anyone get injured.  

[joewilly12]

8 minutes ago, Powpow said:

You would sell them.

Doubt it. Do you ever post anything football related? 

[JetPotato]

2 hours ago, Flushing Roots said:

Not a Geno fan but damn, I feel bad for him.  Dealt a bad hand on this one.

It was his knee.

[Freemanm]

That sucks. Only the Jets. Get ready fo 2-14 with Fitz back as the starter

 

[Maxman]

Tough break for Geno, really tough break.

Probably in the Jets best interest long term. Move on from Geno, move on from Fitz. Going to make a contract somewhere else for Geno tough next year.

[Mecca]

I was one of the few Geno Smith fans on this board and am still absolutely crushed by the news. I really believe he had one of the most unluckiest careers in the NFL.

This was his last chance and I honestly believed he was going to seize the opportunity. Soft part of schedule, weapons at WR, and at least a mediocre OC that will let him play with training wheels off. It's sad to say we'll never get to see his potential. 

Even worse, I'm forced to watch Fitzpatrick put us back on a treadmill Sunday. This organization is cursed man.

Geno had tools. I don't care what any naysayer says. He wasn't supposed to be thrown in immediately and was in an awful situation in 2014. 

[AZJets fan]

11 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

That's who Geno is. Just like we know who Fitz is, that is who Geno is. Great arm, athletic ......zero field awareness. Next man up....

Pretty much sums it up. Was hoping Geno gained some awareness but after the first sack...it was just a matter of time before he got hurt. Didn't expect that so soon.  Looked like he had some promise.  Gotta learn how to throw the ball away, and duck those punches from team mates!

[Gas2No99]

1 hour ago, Mecca said:

I was one of the few Geno Smith fans on this board and am still absolutely crushed by the news. I really believe he had one of the most unluckiest careers in the NFL.

This was his last chance and I honestly believed he was going to seize the opportunity. Soft part of schedule, weapons at WR, and at least a mediocre OC that will let him play with training wheels off. It's sad to say we'll never get to see his potential. 

Even worse, I'm forced to watch Fitzpatrick put us back on a treadmill Sunday. This organization is cursed man.

Geno had tools. I don't care what any naysayer says. He wasn't supposed to be thrown in immediately and was in an awful situation in 2014. 

 

Geno Smith's NFL career marked by drama, disappointment

 

• ESPN.com

 

Geno Smith has faced adversity from the moment he was drafted by the New York Jets in 2013 -- on and off the field. Aside from 36 interceptions in 33 games, he has made headlines with his behavior and two major injuries. We look back at some of those moments, with a little help from ESPN's Stats & Information group.

In addition to throwing 36 interceptions in 33 games and suffering two major injuries, Geno Smith also has made headlines with his off-field behavior. Michael Reaves/Getty Images

2013

• April 25: Geno Smith repeatedly was shown on camera while sitting in the green room as he slid down the board during the first round of the NFL draft.

• April 26: He initially said he was going to leave the draft after not being taken in the first round but stayed around and was in New York when the Jets drafted him in the second round.

• Aug. 24: Mark Sanchez suffers a shoulder injury in the fourth quarter of the Jets' third preseason game in 2013, giving Smith the starting job. The Jets go 8-8 during Smith's rookie year.

2014

• Jan. 18: Smith is escorted off a plane at Los Angeles International Airport after reportedly getting into a dispute with a flight attendant when he refused to remove his headphones.

• Oct. 3: Smith is fined $12,000 for cursing at a fan after the Jets lost to the Lions the previous week.

• Oct. 4: Smith and some teammates reportedly missed a team meeting because they were at a movie in San Diego and messed up the time zone difference.

• Oct. 5: Smith is benched in a 31-0 loss to the Chargers, but he starts the following week.

• Oct. 26: Smith throws three interceptions with just two completions before being benched again in a loss to the Bills. Michael Vick starts the next two games.

2015

• Aug. 11: Smith suffers a broken jaw when he is punched by linebacker IK Enemkpali (IN-em-PALL-ee). Smith reportedly owed Enemkpali $600 for an unused plane ticket. This paves the way for Ryan Fitzpatrick to become the starter for the entire season.

2016

• April 30: The Jets draft QB Christian Hackenberg in the second round of the NFL draft.

• July 27: The Jets re-sign Fitzpatrick shortly before the start of training camp.

• Oct. 17: Smith relieves Fitzpatrick in a loss to the Cardinals. Before the game, Smith tells ESPN’s Lisa Salters that he’s “antsy” to play. Frustrated by sitting on the bench, he throws his baseball cap and a cup of ice when Fitzpatrick throws an interception.

• Oct. 23: In his first start since Dec. 28, 2014, Smith injures his knee against the Ravens.

• Oct. 24: Smith is diagnosed as having suffered a torn ACL against Baltimore.

Smith can become an unrestricted free agent after this season.

 

 

 

[Powpow]

3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Doubt it. Do you ever post anything football related? 

 

[Schoolboy]

14 hours ago, SR24 said:

Very sad way to end his career as a Jet. Hopefully Petty gets the nod next week. Send Mo,Fitz and a 2nd rounder to the Cowboys for Romo give these young guys a real qb to learn from.

This is the worst possible idea ever. 

[SR24]

5 hours ago, Schoolboy said:

This is the worst possible idea ever. 

How? Dallas has a real good shot at the playoffs they can't bench dak if they keep winning. Adding a veteran star defensive lineman while also getting a pick for a qb who's basically lost his job doesn't sound to bad. Mac needs to do something quick offensive guys like Forte,Marshall, Decker, Mangold aren't getting any younger our offense won't have this many weapons for a long time we need to get a real qb under center and win one while these guys are still effective

[Snell41]

How? Dallas has a real good shot at the playoffs they can't bench dak if they keep winning. Adding a veteran star defensive lineman while also getting a pick for a qb who's basically lost his job doesn't sound to bad. Mac needs to do something quick offensive guys like Forte,Marshall, Decker, Mangold aren't getting any younger our offense won't have this many weapons for a long time we need to get a real qb under center and win one while these guys are still effective

Dude 3 out ofTony Romo's last 4 NFL snaps resulted in serious injury. The guy is done. Way done. We don't need retreads from other teams. We have been recycling the same nonsense for decades. Every resource needs to be spent on drafting a franchise QB. Period. Wtf are you gonna trade for Romo for? So you can watch him break a hip up close and personal? Come one man.

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[joewilly12]

Just now, Snell41 said:

Dude 3 out ofTony Romo's last 4 NFL snaps resulted in serious injury. The guy is done. Way done. We don't need retreads from other teams. We have been recycling the same nonsense for decades. Every resource needs to be spent on drafting a franchise QB. Period. Wtf are you gonna trade for Romo for? So you can watch him break a hip up close and personal? Come one man.

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Just say no to Tony Romo acquiring him would send this organization further backwards. 

[Awesumtenor]

12 hours ago, Mecca said:

I was one of the few Geno Smith fans on this board and am still absolutely crushed by the news. I really believe he had one of the most unluckiest careers in the NFL.

This was his last chance and I honestly believed he was going to seize the opportunity. Soft part of schedule, weapons at WR, and at least a mediocre OC that will let him play with training wheels off. It's sad to say we'll never get to see his potential. 

Even worse, I'm forced to watch Fitzpatrick put us back on a treadmill Sunday. This organization is cursed man.

Geno had tools. I don't care what any naysayer says. He wasn't supposed to be thrown in immediately and was in an awful situation in 2014. 

It wasn't luck. Idzik thought if he could force Rex to play the rookie, the team would lose and he would have a justification to fire Rex. He was not close to ready to be a starter in the NFL and they threw him to the wolves. Petty, who played in a similar offense at Baylor that Geno played in at WVU, is presumed to be not ready and is not faulted for not being ready... and that is after he has had time to develop into a NFL QB that Geno was never given. Geno was horrible his rookie year but his TD-INT went from 12:21 in year 1 to 13:13 in year 2 and yet people insist he made no progress whatsoever from when he entered the league and hold up Carson Wentz and Marcus Mariota and Brock Osweiler as evidence of his lack of progress...even though once enough film was available of those QBs their reputations as spread offense bred NFL QB savants has dissipated with quickness; there is talk of  benching Mariota in TEN and the Carson Wentz of the second quarter of the season is not finding nearly the success we was getting through the first 4 games and HOU is having some serious Buyer's Remorse with Osweiler. None of those are looking very different from our QBs.

He was picked to be thrown to the wolves, was thrown to the wolves and then criticized because the wolves got the better of him. I hope he gets a fairer shake wherever he ends up next.

[batman10023]

4 hours ago, SR24 said:

How? Dallas has a real good shot at the playoffs they can't bench dak if they keep winning. Adding a veteran star defensive lineman while also getting a pick for a qb who's basically lost his job doesn't sound to bad. Mac needs to do something quick offensive guys like Forte,Marshall, Decker, Mangold aren't getting any younger our offense won't have this many weapons for a long time we need to get a real qb under center and win one while these guys are still effective

are you a cowboys fan?

you going to give up Mo and a 2nd round pick for a qb rental that can't make it a whole season?

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, Awesumtenor said:

 

He was picked to be thrown to the wolves, was thrown to the wolves and then criticized because the wolves got the better of him. I hope he gets a fairer shake wherever he ends up next.

Define fair shake. You guys describe playing NFL QB as if its a space shuttle launch. There isnt going to be a perfect situation.

[Awesumtenor]

10 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Define fair shake. You guys describe playing NFL QB as if its a space shuttle launch. There isnt going to be a perfect situation.

Treating Geno the way they are treating Petty, recognizing that the spread offense he ran in college did not give him the skill set to be ready to start and be successful in the NFL as a rookie, would have been a fair shake.

Giving him time to learn the offense, learn to study film, adapt to the speed of the game, etc. before having to start would have been a fair shake.

Not putting him in a position where his developing bad habits in making bad reads and taking unnecessary sacks and then slamming him for having those bad habits would have been a fair shake.

[Jet9]

1 hour ago, Awesumtenor said:

Treating Geno the way they are treating Petty, recognizing that the spread offense he ran in college did not give him the skill set to be ready to start and be successful in the NFL as a rookie, would have been a fair shake.

Giving him time to learn the offense, learn to study film, adapt to the speed of the game, etc. before having to start would have been a fair shake.

Not putting him in a position where his developing bad habits in making bad reads and taking unnecessary sacks and then slamming him for having those bad habits would have been a fair shake.

He can't read coverages. He'll run out of bounds for a net loss instead of tossing it away. He has 36 ints and 17 fumbles in 33 games. He slipped out of the first round for a few reasons. He's just not a good NFL quarterback. I can't understand why people keep defending him the way they do. Everyone is fine saying guys like Ducasse and Dwayne Robertson were blown picks and sh*tty players, because it's true. However, for some reason it's like pulling teeth to get some to admit the same about Geno. 

[win4ever]

Just finished the film review, I felt like Geno did a better job than Fitz in the game for sure.  He got hurt by a couple of drops, so it's kind of sad to see the team downgrade.   

[rammagen]

6 hours ago, Jet9 said:

He can't read coverages. He'll run out of bounds for a net loss instead of tossing it away. He has 36 ints and 17 fumbles in 33 games. He slipped out of the first round for a few reasons. He's just not a good NFL quarterback. I can't understand why people keep defending him the way they do. Everyone is fine saying guys like Ducasse and Dwayne Robertson were blown picks and sh*tty players, because it's true. However, for some reason it's like pulling teeth to get some to admit the same about Geno. 

this is so true. He has not learned to read a defense in four yrs and holds on to the ball too long and makes bad choices with the ball. Million dollar arm and athletic ability but just does not have the qb IQ to play the position.

You can't complain about not having a fair shot because he would still be playing if he got rid of the ball quicker. Also that is not this regimes fault he was thrown to the wolves and didd not learn how to play qb in 4 yrs in the nfl. At least they are grooming qbs the correct way now. Now if it pays off that remains to be seen

[Matt39]

7 hours ago, Awesumtenor said:

Treating Geno the way they are treating Petty, recognizing that the spread offense he ran in college did not give him the skill set to be ready to start and be successful in the NFL as a rookie, would have been a fair shake.

Giving him time to learn the offense, learn to study film, adapt to the speed of the game, etc. before having to start would have been a fair shake.

Not putting him in a position where his developing bad habits in making bad reads and taking unnecessary sacks and then slamming him for having those bad habits would have been a fair shake.

This isnt how it works. You can either play or you cant. Petty isnt playing because he isnt good. He's not being "groomed"

[Jet Nut]

19 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Define fair shake. You guys describe playing NFL QB as if its a space shuttle launch. There isnt going to be a perfect situation.

A situation where someone has the ability to grow?   Seems clear for a rookie QB.  As opposed to a situation where no one could play well.  No matter who the QB theynwerent doing anything with that supporting caste.

 

[Powpow]

7 hours ago, Jet9 said:

He can't read coverages. He'll run out of bounds for a net loss instead of tossing it away. He has 36 ints and 17 fumbles in 33 games. He slipped out of the first round for a few reasons. He's just not a good NFL quarterback. I can't understand why people keep defending him the way they do. Everyone is fine saying guys like Ducasse and Dwayne Robertson were blown picks and sh*tty players, because it's true. However, for some reason it's like pulling teeth to get some to admit the same about Geno. 

I could see if this bum was likeable. He's not. I could see if he has accomplished anything significant.  2 years as worst QB rating in NFL. I could see if he was well respected in the community and in college. He was thrown under the bus by his coaches and players in college and here as well. I could see if he demonstrated some class and was showing some progress. No class whatsoever and lost his job to a back QB.  He had 2 FULL years to SHOW something. All he showed was how immature, arrogant, selfish and stupid he was and continues to be.  On top of that he hasn't progressed on the playing field much either.  He played one quarter this year and people everywhere were screaming how he's progressed. One quarter. Yet the very same habits he displayed in his first year, ingrained in his style of play, come back to bite him in the ass.  Holding on to the ball too long, not throwing the ball away, not checking off, it's a recipe for disaster. After 3 full years you'd think he'd learn to do things differently.  People argue he wasn't brought along slowly. Nonsense.  Playing gives you experience and opportunity. No one was expecting him to produce mind altering results right away. Instead he continued to regress in all aspects of his life and the game.  Finally, he gets yet ANOTHER chance to revive his career.  Result: torn ACL ending his infamous career as the Jets QB savior. And finally, it's the last we will need to see of Geno Smith in a Jets uniform.  

[August]

But yet you make excuses for a guy in year 12 that has been making the same mistakes for 12 years. 

[Beerfish]

Geno Smith had a full year as a starter.

He had a second full year as a starter.

He came into a game in Oakland a year ago.

He started this past game.

He has had 4 training camps and 4 ex seasons and 4 off seasons.

He looked the same this year as he did in all other years, no improvement on the field or off the field maturity wise.

He has a nice arm, decent athletic ability, has stretches in each game he plays where he looks good.

He is not good leadership material, he makes bad decisions and is careless with the ball, he has no pocket awareness.

The New York Jets owe him nothing at all, zero, zilch, nada.  He had more opportunities than most QB's in this league and he simply never progressed.

The Jets did the right thing in drafting him where and when they did he simply is not good enough in all important Qb phases.

It's pretty well 100% for sure he is gone, on to the next QB prospect.

 

[August]

If you thought he looked the same as he did in '13 and '14 albeit a small sample size, then there was nothing positive Geno could ever do to convince you otherwise. His pre snap reads improved, he went through progressions and made quick accurate throws. 

 

 

[rammagen]

2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

This isnt how it works. You can either play or you cant. Petty isnt playing because he isnt good. He's not being "groomed"

Sorry I have to disagree because you can not deny that Petty has improved from year one to year tow in the preseason when we saw him play. SO there is something to be said for letting a player learn the position if he when coming for college at the qb position. Now for Geno he had 4 yrs and never grew as a player I was happy after yr one here was promise after yr two he never grew.

For other position in football I would agree with you Qb would be the main exception where time helps the player learn as there is so many things they have to learn.

[Matt39]

Just now, rammagen said:

Sorry I have to disagree because you can not deny that Petty has improved from year one to year tow in the preseason when we saw him play. SO there is something to be said for letting a player learn the position if he when coming for college at the qb position. Now for Geno he had 4 yrs and never grew as a player I was happy after yr one here was promise after yr two he never grew.

For other position in football I would agree with you Qb would be the main exception where time helps the player learn as there is so many things they have to learn.

I have zero idea on what Petty is or if he's improved- he's never played. Going into the season he was still considered the 3rd best QB on a roster that doesnt have a QB.

[rammagen]

26 minutes ago, August said:

If you thought he looked the same as he did in '13 and '14 albeit a small sample size, then there was nothing positive Geno could ever do to convince you otherwise. His pre snap reads improved, he went through progressions and made quick accurate throws. 

 

he held onto the ball to long when he got hurt so he did not make those quick quick throws. He did the week before as well. geno did not grow he may have improved presnap but still has issues reading the defense and making good decisions with the ball

[rammagen]

Just now, Matt39 said:

I have zero idea on what Petty is or if he's improved- he's never played. Going into the season he was still considered the 3rd best QB on a roster that doesnt have a QB.

based on last preseason to this preseason you can argue he had the best numbers  this yr. Where as Geno had the worst numbers I am not saying Petty will be great just that we have seen growth when given the chance to play. He may well be the 3rd best qb on the roster but I would hedge to 2nd best qb before Geno hurt himself based on what we have seen.

2015 preseason stats

Passing Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD% INT INT% Long Sck Sack/Lost Rating Ryan Fitzpatrick 36 24 261 66.7 7.3 2 5.6 0 -- 30 1 9 106.4 Bryce Petty 45 27 260 60 5.8 1 2.2 0 -- 46 4 26 83.6 Matt Flynn 14 10 136 71.4 9.7 2 14.3 1 7.1 28 1 8 111.9 Josh Johnson 12 7 82 58.3 6.8 0 -- 0 -- 18 0 0 79.2 Jake Heaps 1 0 0 -- -- 0 -- 0 -- -- 0 0 39.6

 

2016 preseason stats

Player	Att	Comp	Yds	Comp %	Yds/Att	TD	TD%	INT	INT%	Long	Sck	Sack/Lost	Rating
Bryce Petty	56	32	481	57.1	8.6	3	5.4	1	1.8	50	6	24	95.9
Ryan Fitzpatrick	29	16	183	55.2	6.3	1	3.4	0	--	43	2	22	85.8
Christian Hackenberg	47	17	159	36.2	3.4	1	2.1	2	4.3	27	1	6	35.7
Geno Smith	32	17	140	53.1	4.4	1	3.1	1	3.1	18	0	0	62

[varjet]

In the NFL, you play the cards you are dealt.

Geno could have been developed better.  He could have had better coaching in his first 2 years.  He coudl have had a real chance with the Jets offense last year.

But unless he miraculously and fully recovers and is willing to be a back up next year for $1mm, the Jets should have no interest in him anymore (even they they may not).

But understanding that Petty is more likeable and mature, and may have as good or better atheletic skills as Geno, bringing along more slowly is absolutely the right thing to do, and if he is healthy and prepared, it would be great to get him in a game before the end of the year.  He needs to do whatever he need to fully prepare for next year.  He should be competing for a starting job next year.  If he is not qualified to even be a number 2, the Jets should consider moving on.

The Jets should consider drafting someone low or a UDFA that they can develop on the practice squad so that we are not keeping 4 QBs.

I am not opposed to Fitz coming back next year either, as a back up.  Cheap.

[Beerfish]

26 minutes ago, August said:

If you thought he looked the same as he did in '13 and '14 albeit a small sample size, then there was nothing positive Geno could ever do to convince you otherwise. His pre snap reads improved, he went through progressions and made quick accurate throws. 

 

 

He looked the exact same.   If by throwing to his 1st read you mean quick decisive throws then you are right.  Last game, the very play that resulted in his injury was a microcosm of his career.  First read not there, flushed out, either quickly run and get out of bounds or throw the ball away.  Instead he gets caught, (no situational awareness) and gets hurt as a result.

Exact same player, excellent in about 1/3 of the things you need to be a Qb in this league, average in about 1/3 and dreadful with no improvement in the last 3rd.

[peebag]

Geno is gone.  Gone baby gone.

[August]

17 minutes ago, rammagen said:

he held onto the ball to long when he got hurt so he did not make those quick quick throws. He did the week before as well. geno did not grow he may have improved presnap but still has issues reading the defense and making good decisions with the ball

He held the ball long on two plays that he should've just gotten rid of it. But he also got the ball out quickly on other plays as well. He read the defense fine on Sunday by the way. 

[August]

10 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He looked the exact same.   If by throwing to his 1st read you mean quick decisive throws then you are right.  Last game, the very play that resulted in his injury was a microcosm of his career.  First read not there, flushed out, either quickly run and get out of bounds or throw the ball away.  Instead he gets caught, (no situational awareness) and gets hurt as a result.

Exact same player, excellent in about 1/3 of the things you need to be a Qb in this league, average in about 1/3 and dreadful with no improvement in the last 3rd.

So he wasn't going through progressions at all? Stepping up in the pocket, etc? He held the ball on two plays. You had your mind made up and you're just nitpicking now.