maury77 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Beasley is listed as an OLB (not a DE) in a 4-3. http://www.nfl.com/player/vicbeasley/2552301/profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: You are a seer. One with the Universe. It just isn't even fair trying to compete with Hess' foresight. Picture in your mind friend... Garoppolo throwing to Keenan Allen, Brandin Cooks and Tyler Eifert with DeCastro and Warmack on both sides of Mangold. Although without the Sheldon pick I'd have taken Williams over Beasley and Mo Snacks and Williams would be front 3. Westoff would be HC and Chris Peterson from Boise State would be OC. god I'm good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 8 hours ago, detectivekimble said: Nah, he's not explosive enough. If he turns into a Kris Jenkins type player, then it was a good pick. If he turns into a Wilkerson type player, then it wasn't such a good pick. Beasley already looks great. Not only does he get sacks, but he causes turnovers, which is huge. Like Reggie White was not explosive enough. There is more than one way to get to the QB. Bowels needs to give up on this experiment of his and play a true 4-3. That would make the line look better, and make the Lee pick look much better as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Mac did not want to blow his first first round pick. Leo was the obvious safe choice and likely his highest rated player on the board. Done. Beasley did have some red flags. Last year everyone was ecstatic that Mac took Leo and not Beasley. But, if Beasley turns out to be a game changing pass rusher, and Leo is not the 2nd Richard Seymour, those doubters have a good point. But the ultimate offense here for Woody, Mac and Bowles (yes, they all were involved) was not picking Leo over Beasley. It was in not moving SR or Mo after picking Williams, not finding an edge rusher otherwise (although they are trying) and not designing an appropriate defensive scheme to get to the QB with the players they have. The Leo pick is the least of this team's problems. I anxiously await news of who the new defensive coordinator is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 The entire board was creaming their shorts when Williams fell to the Jets and rightfully so. This kid is a stud, but some Jets fans are still not happy. Unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Williams waS the right choice as best player there-the guy has been one of the few good things we have done- lots of bad things to mention instead of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 13 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: You guys arent getting it. It was a layup pick. Williams or Beasley. Well, we have 2 young promising dlineman but we need and outside speed rusher. We will pass on williams and take beasley here. Mac has made mistakes in his 1st 2 years. This is his biggest by far. A collosal miss. You sound crazy. L Williams was a solid pick and is a great player. He was available and we took him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Yeah and if we picked Dante Fowler or Gregory over Leonard Williams we'd be ripping Mac apart for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Vic is having a very good year. I wasnt high on him and he's definitely proving that wrong. That said, it's easy to get sacks when you have an offense that scores a lot and you only have 1 job. Williams is the cornerstone of this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 If we draft a terror pass rusher in this up coming draft we better pray as a fan base that our D coordinator and head coach wake the fug up and put in a system where players can make plays in positions they are best suited. If not expect Myles Garrett or whoever your fav pass rusher is to be an edge setter or playing only on certain downs or being shifted inside or god knows what else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 10 hours ago, detectivekimble said: Nah, he's not explosive enough. If he turns into a Kris Jenkins type player, then it was a good pick. If he turns into a Wilkerson type player, then it wasn't such a good pick. Beasley already looks great. Not only does he get sacks, but he causes turnovers, which is huge. Sorry, sacks don't impress me that way. He's got a handful fewer sacks and isn't sent to get to the QB. You don't have to be explosive to get sacks, you can get them through a combination of quickness and strength. Westhoff talks about it every week. If you lined him up as a DE and gave him sack responsibilities he would have a lot more. To say he needs to become a Jenkins type player is crazy, he's already a really good player, he's our best defensive player, he should be a pro bowl player this year. It already is a good pick. It is the usual Jets fan view of the world. We get the player viewed as the best player, either side of the ball, in he draft and one year later some want to call it a bad pick. While a guy who never should have been drafted over Williams for any reason other than you would take a lesser talent putting need ahead of talent, who had a half assed first season and is still a player I wouldn't take over Williams is called great while our player is still an undetermined product. Either a Mo (who few here have a clue about his talent) or Jenkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 He is of course forgetting that Williams has 7 sacks this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 10 hours ago, detectivekimble said: Jenkins was an absolute game wrecker. He couldn't be blocked by one guy. Sometimes Leonard looks like Kris out there. He disappears for long stretches, though. You obviously don't watch the games if you think Williams disappears for long stretches. And are alone in your evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 15 hours ago, Larz said: If we picked beasley he would either be in jail, on IR or playing TE Or backing up Calvin Pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 30 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Or backing up Calvin Pace. Carlos Hyde would not have gotten 200 yards if they did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Because beasly ended up having a good season doesn't mean williams is not good. Williams has looked great with a defense around him that doesn't look good. Beasly has had a good season with a decent defense around him at least.Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 This is silly. L.Williams is a stud. Him and Wilk will be the cornerstone of this D-lines for years. Vic Beasley is having a fantastic year. Good for him. I'm guessing coaching had a lot to with it lest we forget he had 4 sacks last year and people were ready to call him a bust. I mean, seriously, the knee jerk reactions by some fans are hilarious. Bad rookie season- you are a bust. Great sophomore campaign, you are a HOFer. L.Williams is a versatile D-lineman. He can rush the passer from the interior and he can stuff the run. He is a rare talent. Beasley is a pass rush specialist. He still needs to get better at setting the edge- a major weakness of his. If he continues getting sacks and bringing pressure on the QB he will make a major impact defensively. If he slows down or gets shut down by a premier OT, he becomes a liability. L.Williams makes an impact without getting sacks or even tackles for a loss. He is a beast inside and is an impact player just by lining up. Macc taking L.Williams over Beasley was NOT a mistake. It was the right thing to do at the time and it looks like it was still the right move. But kudos to Beasley he obviously worked hard on his game in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 13 hours ago, Be_a_Jet said: What a knee jerk thread. Fxd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 2 hours ago, drdetroit said: Yeah and if we picked Dante Fowler or Gregory over Leonard Williams we'd be ripping Mac apart for that To be fair, Fowler went ahead of Williams and the Jets WOULD have picked him if he was there and he MAY still turn out to be one of the best Pass Rushers EVER. His injury really set him back, missing all of last year. And R.Gregory fell to the second round b/c he had red flags and was considered raw. So yes, anybody who would have picked Gregory over L.Williams would be fired immediately. LOL. Macc DID pas on Marcus Peters and T.Gurley. But again, both players are great (Gurley is having an off year running behind a bad oline), and I STILL have no issue with the Jets taking Williams over the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Leonard Williams was a very good pick. He's a top lineman in the league and was considered by many to be arguably the best player in that draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, PepPep said: To be fair, Fowler went ahead of Williams and the Jets WOULD have picked him if he was there and he MAY still turn out to be one of the best Pass Rushers EVER. no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, dbatesman said: no yes. I win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 14 hours ago, Mogglez said: He has 7 sacks already, blows up plays behind the line after being double teamed, and has consistently graded out as an incredible interior pass rusher/DE/and DT. In his second year. He was compared to Reggie White by pro scouts and already looks the part. What the f*ck are some of you rambling on about??? What the **** are you talking about? He's not an explosive player. He's a power player. He was compared to Kevin Williams coming out. Reggie White my ass. He's not even close to the athlete that JJ Watt is. And "incredible" is a stretch. His grade puts him 10th amongst 3-4 ends this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: no To be fair, 2.5 sacks, he is well on his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 4 hours ago, Jet Nut said: You obviously don't watch the games if you think Williams disappears for long stretches. And are alone in your evaluation. To be fair, I never see Williams when the Jets have the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 2 hours ago, PepPep said: To be fair, Fowler went ahead of Williams and the Jets WOULD have picked him if he was there and he MAY still turn out to be one of the best Pass Rushers EVER. His injury really set him back, missing all of last year. And R.Gregory fell to the second round b/c he had red flags and was considered raw. So yes, anybody who would have picked Gregory over L.Williams would be fired immediately. LOL. Macc DID pas on Marcus Peters and T.Gurley. But again, both players are great (Gurley is having an off year running behind a bad oline), and I STILL have no issue with the Jets taking Williams over the other two. Fowler would have been Gholston 2.0 and the local media would have destroyed him. Ditto for Gregory There is a good pass rush prospect OLB we can draft this year Tim Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: To be fair, 2.5 sacks, he is well on his way. EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 4 hours ago, detectivekimble said: What the **** are you talking about? He's not an explosive player. He's a power player. He was compared to Kevin Williams coming out. Reggie White my ass. He's not even close to the athlete that JJ Watt is. And "incredible" is a stretch. His grade puts him 10th amongst 3-4 ends this season. Oh wow. Look at that. You're wrong! 2015 NFL Draft: USC defensive lineman Leonard Williams is the draft's 'can't-miss' prospect USC's Leonard Williams is the best among a good group of defensive li that what they used to do with Reggie?'' Some have compared him to the great Reggie White, others think he's more like one of White's former teammates, Jerome Brown. Whatever Southern Cal's Leonard Williams turns into at the next level, he's the closest thing to a can't miss in this draft. "If he misses, I missed,'' said an AFC scout about Williams. "I think he's the best player in the draft. If we were picking (No. 1) he would be our guy. I understand the quarterbacks might go first, but this guy is fool-proof.'' Williams can line up anywhere on a defensive line for either a 4-3 defensive team, or a 3-4 scheme. "You can put him inside, outside, wherever you want to place him,'' a NFC scout said. "You could create mismatches with him, isn't that what they used to do with Reggie? During his peak with the Eagles, White was primarily a left end in Buddy Ryan's 46 defense, but at times moved inside or to the right end if there was a match-up the coaches liked. Williams might be that kind of player. "All I know,'' the AFC scout said, "is he's the best I've seen (on the defensive line) in a long, long time.'' Here's an alphabetical look at the top defensive linemen in the draft. To see how they rank and where they may go in the draft scroll through the slideshow at the bottom. Scout: Williams similar to White Published: Apr 23, 2015 at 11:12 am Updated: Apr 23, 2015 at 11:33 am Chase Goodbread College Football 24/7 writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 3 hours ago, detectivekimble said: What the **** are you talking about? He's not an explosive player. He's a power player. He was compared to Kevin Williams coming out. Reggie White my ass. He's not even close to the athlete that JJ Watt is. And "incredible" is a stretch. His grade puts him 10th amongst 3-4 ends this season. Wow! Look! More wrong! SELECTED BY: Jets ROUND: 1 PICK (OVERALL): 6 (6) PICK ANALYSIS: "Williams was the best player in the draft regardless of position. If you're the Jets, you had to take him. The sky's the limit with this kid. He's stout against the run and athletic as can be." -- Mike Mayock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 18 hours ago, detectivekimble said: Jenkins was an absolute game wrecker. He couldn't be blocked by one guy. Sometimes Leonard looks like Kris out there. He disappears for long stretches, though. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfine Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Wow by the comments of this thread some of you think Leo is the next Dewayne Robertson. Jet fans are pretty pathetic. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfine Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 If you ask me this thread is a "colossal miss" and the OP needs to be fired.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 3 hours ago, tfine said: Wow by the comments of this thread some of you think Leo is the next Dewayne Robertson. Jet fans are pretty pathetic. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 5 hours ago, Mogglez said: Wow! Look! More wrong! SELECTED BY: Jets ROUND: 1 PICK (OVERALL): 6 (6) PICK ANALYSIS: "Williams was the best player in the draft regardless of position. If you're the Jets, you had to take him. The sky's the limit with this kid. He's stout against the run and athletic as can be." -- Mike Mayock I don't know about the best player in the draft, but he was certainly the safest pick in the top 10 outside of maybe cooper. also considering williams is still just a baby, he turned 22 in june, he's got plenty of room to improve and should have a nice long career in green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OH THE PAIN Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 On 12/12/2016 at 7:19 PM, HighPitch said: Hindsight is 2020 Lw is a very good young player. No team would have passed on him at 6. If you already have two good defensive lineman , why not fill another need ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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