Integrity28 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Quote Speaking Monday, Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said there will be no "mandate" for the team's new coach to stick with Blake Bortles at quarterback, but that he "still (believes) in Blake." The reality is, Caldwell couldn't really say anything different, and that Bortles will almost certainly be under center at the start of next season. (He's starting the final two games this season.) Caldwell's comments do indicate that Bortles is losing the benefit of the doubt, and that 2017 will be a make-or-break year. Bortles' game has become an absolute mess, with his mechanics needing to be reworked from the ground up. Those kind of reclamation projects are rarely successful. It's amazing to me, sometimes, how easy it is to lose sight of the fine line between being a productive player and a washout. As the Jets try to develop a QB amongst the two they've rostered the past 2 years, the Jaguars took one at the top of the draft and steadily damaged him over time... rather than building on where he was entering the league. I guess, if Hack ends up not working out, at least he only comes at the cost of a 2nd rounder... could you imagine investing several years into Bortles and then seeing this... ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: It's amazing to me, sometimes, how easy it is to lose sight of the fine line between being a productive player and a washout. As the Jets try to develop a QB amongst the two they've rostered the past 2 years, the Jaguars took one at the top of the draft and steadily damaged him over time... rather than building on where he was entering the league. I guess, if Hack ends up not working out, at least he only comes at the cost of a 2nd rounder... could you imagine investing several years into Bortles and then seeing this... ??? More or less the story with Sanchez. We invested the time but not much in the way of other resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Draft picks are a crap shoot. You never know if they will make it in the NFL. Can't imagine the Jets going for another QB in 17 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 8 minutes ago, MaxAF said: Draft picks are a crap shoot. You never know if they will make it in the NFL. Can't imagine the Jets going for another QB in 17 draft. And this has been a worry of some of us. Most of us agree that at the every top of the draft the Qb class is not there but there is a pretty good chance one of these guys may fall to round two. I'd much rather have a shot of one of the Qb's names being kicked around in round two this year than Hackenburg. Remember the Raiders got Carr in early round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I said from the night of the draft that drafting Bortles at 3 was a huge mistake. He's a rich man's Jake Locker. Should have been taken in the 2nd, not Top 5. But I guess that's the benefits you're afforded when you "look the part" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Integrity28 said: It's amazing to me, sometimes, how easy it is to lose sight of the fine line between being a productive player and a washout. As the Jets try to develop a QB amongst the two they've rostered the past 2 years, the Jaguars took one at the top of the draft and steadily damaged him over time... rather than building on where he was entering the league. I guess, if Hack ends up not working out, at least he only comes at the cost of a 2nd rounder... could you imagine investing several years into Bortles and then seeing this... ??? Mmmm the sound of good logic and rational thinking is refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Isn't Dave Caldwell one of the "saviors" that spurned the Jets? Just asking....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, section314 said: Isn't Dave Caldwell one of the "saviors" that spurned the Jets? Just asking....... Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jett Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I was very invested in the jaguars last season (fantasy football is great for many reasons, one of them is paying attention to teams that you normally wouldn't care about, I had Allen robinson) and I watched a lot of their games. If you looked at his stats last year you would have thought that he was well on his way to being a stud. But boy Oh boy this one of those cases where stats are misleading. This guy looked pedestrian for 3 quarters a lot of the time and then just put up garbage time stats in the 4th playing from behind and throwing it a lot. I mean, I don't remember the numbers but I would go ahead and put money on it that he probably finished top 5 in attempts just because they were always playing from behind. Not too mention I remember a ton of tds thrown in the 4th quarter with most of them that didn't matter. He just looked like to me a Qb that looked the part and can throw through a brick wall but no finesse. Albeit I have no jags on my Fantasy team this year so I have no input on what he has done this year. Looks like nothing good. Edit: also forgot to add, this guy has serious weapons to. It's not a lack weapons, I mean maybe the oline could use some help, but this guy has weapons for days. No excuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 We have a younger version of Bortles in Hack. No reason to add another guy that needs his mechanics fixed. I believe Bortles is under contract so its a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 hours ago, Integrity28 said: It's amazing to me, sometimes, how easy it is to lose sight of the fine line between being a productive player and a washout. As the Jets try to develop a QB amongst the two they've rostered the past 2 years, the Jaguars took one at the top of the draft and steadily damaged him over time... rather than building on where he was entering the league. I guess, if Hack ends up not working out, at least he only comes at the cost of a 2nd rounder... could you imagine investing several years into Bortles and then seeing this... ??? Not to beat a dead horse, but doesn't that sound a lot like what will happen is Bowles comes back next year and fails out like this year? Cripples a franchise for years thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 hours ago, Integrity28 said: It's amazing to me, sometimes, how easy it is to lose sight of the fine line between being a productive player and a washout. As the Jets try to develop a QB amongst the two they've rostered the past 2 years, the Jaguars took one at the top of the draft and steadily damaged him over time... rather than building on where he was entering the league. I guess, if Hack ends up not working out, at least he only comes at the cost of a 2nd rounder... could you imagine investing several years into Bortles and then seeing this... ??? Jets fans have no legs to stand on. Did you forget Sanchez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 1 hour ago, jett said: I was very invested in the jaguars last season (fantasy football is great for many reasons, one of them is paying attention to teams that you normally wouldn't care about, I had Allen robinson) and I watched a lot of their games. If you looked at his stats last year you would have thought that he was well on his way to being a stud. But boy Oh boy this one of those cases where stats are misleading. This guy looked pedestrian for 3 quarters a lot of the time and then just put up garbage time stats in the 4th playing from behind and throwing it a lot. I mean, I don't remember the numbers but I would go ahead and put money on it that he probably finished top 5 in attempts just because they were always playing from behind. Not too mention I remember a ton of tds thrown in the 4th quarter with most of them that didn't matter. He just looked like to me a Qb that looked the part and can throw through a brick wall but no finesse. Albeit I have no jags on my Fantasy team this year so I have no input on what he has done this year. Looks like nothing good. Edit: also forgot to add, this guy has serious weapons to. It's not a lack weapons, I mean maybe the oline could use some help, but this guy has weapons for days. No excuses Why isn't he leading the league in catches, yards and TDs this year then? Its not like they've been competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: And this has been a worry of some of us. Most of us agree that at the every top of the draft the Qb class is not there but there is a pretty good chance one of these guys may fall to round two. I'd much rather have a shot of one of the Qb's names being kicked around in round two this year than Hackenburg. Remember the Raiders got Carr in early round 2. I guess if next year becomes a total rebuild then the Jets could go out and get another drafted QB. But I don't know if the Jets have the ability to develop a QB without a vet to groom them. They haven't been able to for many years under many different coaching staffs. Maybe they need to hire Payton as the QB coach or OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 21 minutes ago, ASH1962 said: Not to beat a dead horse, but doesn't that sound a lot like what will happen is Bowles comes back next year and fails out like this year? Cripples a franchise for years thereafter. If either QB suddenly becomes a beast, then Bowles is most likely going to look like a good coach. It takes a truly horrible coach to out-suck the veil of protection they get from a legit QB. It happens. Either way, I wasn't really discussing HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 18 minutes ago, j4jets said: Jets fans have no legs to stand on. Did you forget Sanchez? Sanchez has nothing to do with my post. I was comparing the cost of Hack versus Bortles. If you'd like to make the discussion pedantic and trite, then I supposed we could open it up to being about who ruined their top 5 QB pick in the more ruin-ey way. Bortles was a top pick and has several years invested in him, and he's basically being talked about the same way as Hack. Rebuild mechanics from ground up. The comparison is isolated to the two of them, because of the similar need to "fix" them, but the distinct investment difference between them. Sanchez is old news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Bortles is a very good QB on a sh!t team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Sanchez has nothing to do with my post. I was comparing the cost of Hack versus Bortles. If you'd like to make the discussion pedantic and trite, then I supposed we could open it up to being about who ruined their top 5 QB pick in the more ruin-ey way. Bortles was a top pick and has several years invested in him, and he's basically being talked about the same way as Hack. Rebuild mechanics from ground up. The comparison is isolated to the two of them, because of the similar need to "fix" them, but the distinct investment difference between them. Sanchez is old news. Bortles was also on the heels of the Gabbert debacle - another top 10 pick. Everyone is always clamoring for the franchise QB but you can't arbitrarily pick QB's in the top 10 just because. Passing on Carr and maybe Garrapolo are going to be the ones that got away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 15 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: Bortles is a very good QB on a sh!t team. I think its closer to the jags are a very team with a sh!t qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 If the jets draft a qb this year in 1st round I'm on the fire Mac bandwagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 5 hours ago, Integrity28 said: It's amazing to me, sometimes, how easy it is to lose sight of the fine line between being a productive player and a washout. As the Jets try to develop a QB amongst the two they've rostered the past 2 years, the Jaguars took one at the top of the draft and steadily damaged him over time... rather than building on where he was entering the league. I guess, if Hack ends up not working out, at least he only comes at the cost of a 2nd rounder... could you imagine investing several years into Bortles and then seeing this... ??? ? Hello! Mark ******* Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Guys not wanting to draft a 1st round QB bc a. Petty b. Hackenberg need their head examined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 5 hours ago, rex-n-effect said: More or less the story with Sanchez. We invested the time but not much in the way of other resources. When you don't have an organization that doesn't know what it is doing you end up doing stupid things like what the Jets did. Think Dak has the finest OL in the game coupled with one of the best running games in the league, Jets don't do stuff like that By year three Sanchez had Hunter and guys who couldn't be on a good CFL team to throw to. People think Romo and now Dak are flukes, no they are not. It's the difference between a good organization and a poor one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 51 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: Bortles is a very good QB on a sh!t team. Actually, he's a shltty QB on any team you put him on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 4 hours ago, MaxAF said: Draft picks are a crap shoot. You never know if they will make it in the NFL. Can't imagine the Jets going for another QB in 17 draft. Coaches are a crapshoot. Lots and lots of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Kleckineau said: Bortles is a very good QB on a sh!t team. Nah, Bortles is trash. Don't be fooled by his gaudy fantasy football stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 11 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: I think its closer to the jags are a very team with a sh!t qb. A very team....makes sense. 10 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Actually, he's a shltty QB on any team you put him on So its Bortles fault the Jags defense is close to last every season. He had a breakout year last year only his second in the league. The Jets have nothing resembling him on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 17 hours ago, Integrity28 said: It's amazing to me, sometimes, how easy it is to lose sight of the fine line between being a productive player and a washout. As the Jets try to develop a QB amongst the two they've rostered the past 2 years, the Jaguars took one at the top of the draft and steadily damaged him over time... rather than building on where he was entering the league. I guess, if Hack ends up not working out, at least he only comes at the cost of a 2nd rounder... could you imagine investing several years into Bortles and then seeing this... ??? You don't want Bortles. Not only are his mechanics messed up he can't read defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 12 minutes ago, Kleckineau said: A very team....makes sense. So its Bortles fault the Jags defense is close to last every season. He had a breakout year last year only his second in the league. The Jets have nothing resembling him on the roster. Resembling what? Fitz also had a statistically good year last season facing an easy schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 15 hours ago, MaxAF said: Draft picks are a crap shoot. You never know if they will make it in the NFL. Can't imagine the Jets going for another QB in 17 draft. that is why we have to draft a QB, never know how a 4th or 6th rounder will turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 11 hours ago, kevinc855 said: If the jets draft a qb this year in 1st round I'm on the fire Mac bandwagon How? Petty is not the answer and probably neither is Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 18 minutes ago, drdetroit said: You don't want Bortles. Not only are his mechanics messed up he can't read defenses. Where in my post am I suggesting that I want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I have no problem bringing him in to compete for a job, but I am not pulling a Brock Osweiller and giving him a boat load of money on the hopes it works out. There rarely works. If a team gives up on a QB, that should tell you a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 A team like the Jets without a QB should be interested in any young QB like Bortles as a reclamation project. No reason not to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 14 hours ago, jett said: I was very invested in the jaguars last season (fantasy football is great for many reasons, one of them is paying attention to teams that you normally wouldn't care about, I had Allen robinson) and I watched a lot of their games. If you looked at his stats last year you would have thought that he was well on his way to being a stud. But boy Oh boy this one of those cases where stats are misleading. This guy looked pedestrian for 3 quarters a lot of the time and then just put up garbage time stats in the 4th playing from behind and throwing it a lot. I mean, I don't remember the numbers but I would go ahead and put money on it that he probably finished top 5 in attempts just because they were always playing from behind. Not too mention I remember a ton of tds thrown in the 4th quarter with most of them that didn't matter. He just looked like to me a Qb that looked the part and can throw through a brick wall but no finesse. Albeit I have no jags on my Fantasy team this year so I have no input on what he has done this year. Looks like nothing good. Edit: also forgot to add, this guy has serious weapons to. It's not a lack weapons, I mean maybe the oline could use some help, but this guy has weapons for days. No excuses That's for sure. Bortles is a classic 'garbage time' QB. SUcks for three quarters then 'rallies' his team when down by 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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