Sanchez?

[Mogglez]

3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Plus the $5M charged to our cap this year Ryan Fitzpatrick the gift that keeps on taking. 

That $5M charge is huge reason why it's utterly stupid to compare the two contracts to one another.  There will be no future charge for McCown if we cut him loose after this year.

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

That $5M charge is huge reason why it's utterly stupid to compare the two contracts to one another.  There will be no future charge for McCown if we cut him loose after this year.

The Jets pulled another desperation move with the QB situation this is all on Macc first it was Fitzpatrick now its McCown I have zero confidence in this man building a winning program here when he makes moves like this. 

I will support Josh McCown if he is the starter but this accomplishes nothing for the rookie QB's. 

[Mogglez]

27 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

The Jets pulled another desperation move with the QB situation this is all on Macc first it was Fitzpatrick now its McCown I have zero confidence in this man building a winning program here when he makes moves like this. 

I will support Josh McCown if he is the starter but this accomplishes nothing for the rookie QB's. 

This isn't a desperation move.  They just paid the guy a little extra money to get a veteran mind in the QB room to help mentor the young QBs.  Fitzpatrick was given a decently hefty contract to be the unquestioned starter.  They aren't the same type of contracts.  No veteran was coming here for 2 million dollars when they know they can beat out what we already have because of their experience.

It sucks to deal with as fans, but this is what happens when you start a full blown rebuild.  Barring a miracle, we aren't going to be competitive this year.  We are going to lose a ton of games.  We are going to make decisions that will lose us games to make ensure that we have a better long term vision of the talent on our team.  We're done half-assing it.  Our goal is to play young guys and win no more than 3 games.  It is what it is.  If you are expecting wins this year to judge the FO/Team, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.  Love Maccagnan or hate him, he wouldn't be doing things the way he's doing them without a green light from the owner.  He's probably going to be here, at bare minimum, 2 more years.  Bowles?  Not sure but if he shows growth as a coach he could be back too.

[joewilly12]

22 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

This isn't a desperation move.  They just paid the guy a little extra money to get a veteran mind in the QB room to help mentor the young QBs.  Fitzpatrick was given a decently hefty contract to be the unquestioned starter.  They aren't the same type of contracts.  No veteran was coming here for 2 million dollars when they know they can beat out what we already have because of their experience.

It sucks to deal with as fans, but this is what happens when you start a full blown rebuild.  Barring a miracle, we aren't going to be competitive this year.  We are going to lose a ton of games.  We are going to make decisions that will lose us games to make ensure that we have a better long term vision of the talent on our team.  We're done half-assing it.  Our goal is to play young guys and win no more than 3 games.  It is what it is.  If you are expecting wins this year to judge the FO/Team, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.  Love Maccagnan or hate him, he wouldn't be doing things the way he's doing them without a green light from the owner.  He's probably going to be here, at bare minimum, 2 more years.  Bowles?  Not sure but if he shows growth as a coach he could be back too.

Josh McCown has worse career statistics and  has been with more teams than Fitzpatrick what mentoring can this guy possibly do that is going to be positive in the grooming of any QB he has won nothing in the NFL. 

 

[August]

1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

Josh McCown has worse career statistics and  has been with more teams than Fitzpatrick what mentoring can this guy possibly do that is going to be positive in the grooming of any QB he has won nothing in the NFL. 

 

I'd feel better about this signing if I felt Petty or Hackenberg could beat out McCown. But look around the league most teams with young quarterbacks have veteran backups. Nothing wrong with that. 

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, August said:

I'd feel better about this signing if I felt Petty or Hackenberg could beat out McCown. But look around the league most teams with young quarterbacks have veteran backups. Nothing wrong with that. 

August we signed the Cleveland Browns QB they were worse than the Jets last season COME ON MAN 

 

[Charlie Brown]

3 hours ago, MaxAF said:

Sanchez sucks, McCown is worse. This team continues to rummage through the QB dumpster and the fan base is left with well.....Garbage. Until the Jets spend some serious green for a franchise QB they will continue cease to be a SB contender. The team has many holes and needs help in many areas but it's rare that a team makes it to the Superbowl without top QB. Yeah I'm waiting for the day the Jets make it to the SB. So we wait and see if these young QB's amount to anything and maybe go with another drafted QB and have another 4 QB's on the team this year. Still can't get over the McCown deal. 

Good Grief

I couldn't have said it better..

Good Grief is right!!!

The reason why there is a foolish discussion at all cocnerning QBs is because we are debating Sanchez vs McCown!!!!  

If the Jets took a chance on moving up the QB ladder instead of moving down from Fitz, we wouldn't be having this thread!!!

[Mogglez]

15 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Josh McCown has worse career statistics and  has been with more teams than Fitzpatrick what mentoring can this GUY possibly do that is going to positive in the grooming of any QB he has won nothing in the NFL. 

 

He's also cheaper than Fitzf*ckface.

Bruce Arians and Jim Harbaugh are some of the best known QB gurus in the league and they never accomplished ANYTHING as players.  Sometimes the old saying "those who can't do, teach" really holds weight.  I don't love McCown the player, but many of his teammates love that guy and have described him as a smart QB who is an excellent teacher and teammate that might end up as a coach after he's retired.  When looking for a veteran mind who can pass on some wisdom, he fit the bill perfectly.  If that means we had to give him 6 million dollars for one season that is basically a throwaway year to look at young guys, then I'm ok with it.  Your heart is in the right place, I get it.  We all want the Jets to find their guy and become a dynasty.  Just try and look beyond the overreactions of others and look at the bigger picture.

[Freemanm]

8 hours ago, varjet said:

OK.  Butt Fumble.  He has been here.

But veteran backup for $2mm?  Jets paid $6mm?  I think you can argue that Sanchez is even better than McCown.

Maybe McCown received a "tank" premium?

Ha ha ha ha ha. Thanks for the good laugh. I needed that during an otherwise dull Friday night.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, Mogglez said:

He's also cheaper than Fitzf*ckface.

Bruce Arians and Jim Harbaugh are some of the best known QB gurus in the league and they never accomplished ANYTHING as players.  Sometimes the old saying "those who can't do, teach", really holds weight.  I don't love McCown the player, but many of his teammates love that guy and have described him as a smart QB who is an excellent teacher and teammate that might end up as a coach after he's retired.  When looking for a veteran mind who can pass on some wisdom, he fit the bill perfectly.  If that means we had to give him 6 million dollars for one season that is basically a throwaway year to look at young guys, then I'm ok with it.  Your heart is in the right place, I get it.  We all want the Jets to find their guy and become a dynasty.  Just try and look beyond the overreactions of others and look at the bigger picture.

Great post. I fully understand what you are saying and agree for the most part. 

[Dcat]

25 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

He's also cheaper than Fitzf*ckface.

Bruce Arians and Jim Harbaugh are some of the best known QB gurus in the league and they never accomplished ANYTHING as players.  Sometimes the old saying "those who can't do, teach" really holds weight.  I don't love McCown the player, but many of his teammates love that guy and have described him as a smart QB who is an excellent teacher and teammate that might end up as a coach after he's retired.  When looking for a veteran mind who can pass on some wisdom, he fit the bill perfectly.  If that means we had to give him 6 million dollars for one season that is basically a throwaway year to look at young guys, then I'm ok with it.  Your heart is in the right place, I get it.  We all want the Jets to find their guy and become a dynasty.  Just try and look beyond the overreactions of others and look at the bigger picture.

That is well stated and hopefully it's consonant with Mac's intentions in signing him.  My concern is that once the Jets are 0-3, 1-5, or even 2- 8 that Bowles panic takes over and in goes McCown and the Jets end up winning 4 or 5 games and getting the 6th pick in the draft or worse.

[HighPitch]

8 hours ago, SAR I said:

Why?

He's only the best quarterback we've had since Joe Namath.  Could have had him for $2M instead of paying an outrageous $6M for McCown.

SAR I

Yea u homers can spin it any way you like but mccown for 6m is outrageous

[JetsFanatic]

8 hours ago, varjet said:

OK.  Butt Fumble.  He has been here.

But veteran backup for $2mm?  Jets paid $6mm?  I think you can argue that Sanchez is even better than McCown.

Maybe McCown received a "tank" premium?

McCown may start Sanchez won't.

[varjet]

3 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

Yea u homers can spin it any way you like but mccown for 6m is outrageous

That is my point.  

If the Jets do not sign him for 6, who does and for how much?

[Mogglez]

6 minutes ago, Dcat said:

That is well stated and hopefully it's consonant with Mac's intentions in signing him.  My concern is that once the Jets are 0-3, 1-5, or even 2- 8 that Bowles panic takes over and in goes McCown and the Jets end up winning 4 or 5 games and getting the 6th pick in the draft or worse.

This is the only reason I don't think Bowles is in as much trouble as we think.  There's no shot they would put him in a situation like that knowing what their plans are.  In fact, if Bowles himself knows everything that's going on, I think a panic move like that would show us that he hasn't learned and would do more damage than anything else.  

[joewilly12]

8 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

This is the only reason I don't think Bowles is in as much trouble as we think.  There's no shot they would put him in a situation like that knowing what their plans are.  In fact, if Bowles himself knows everything that's going on, I think a panic move like that would show us that he hasn't learned and would do more damage than anything else.  

Bowles is in more trouble than you think he is.  We held onto Kacy Rodgers for some unknown reason even after the defensive collapse in 2016 something tells me if we falter and look bad doing so Bowles wont last the season. 

[afjetsfan]

Man, I totally agree that Sanchez is better than McCown.  Frustrating we didn't bring him back.  He's learned so much over the years.  I think he actually could be a decent QB if given a chance.  No doubt he's better than when he went to the AFC Championships 2 years in a row.

[Larz]

Even sanchez hates this idea

[August]

2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

August we signed the Cleveland Browns QB they were worse than the Jets last season COME ON MAN 

 

I'm not thrilled about McCown but I understand why they did it. In a year like this it's now or never in terms of seeing what we have in Petty and Hackenberg, we just needed a veteran quarterback on the roster for insurance. 

[Smashmouth]

7 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Josh McCown has worse career statistics and  has been with more teams than Fitzpatrick what mentoring can this guy possibly do that is going to be positive in the grooming of any QB he has won nothing in the NFL. 

 

Once you get winning out of your head and understand this is a rebuild you might begin to understand what's actually going on here. McCown in here for a year 2 at most . The jets are either going to draft a QB in the upcoming draft or let Petty and Hack battle it out in preseason. If they both sh*t the bed McCown is damage control and nothing more. If you think McCown is here to be the QB to lead us to win your just not paying attention to what's going on .

[pointman]

14 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

Why not get Jamarcus Russell too. If you collect 5 terrible QBs, they can form Voltron.

Incredible post, sir. 

[jetsfansince7]

Sanchez could not have been brought back for obvious reasons, but seeing all these backups sign for 2 mill, or less angers me after we gave McCown 6 mill (all will be forgiven thou as long as he continues the trend of playing for the team who gets the #1 overall pick in the following years draft, BUT I'd be so ******* ecstatic if Hack, or Petty started, and proved to be the future, and then wouldn't care how much we paid McCown, but if McCown wins 2 extra games that the kids wouldn't have to go 4-12, and get the 4th overall pick I'm gonna lose it).

McCown is a better quarterback. Take a look at the film from the last Browns game. They were playing us very competitively before he got hurt.


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[joewilly12]

8 hours ago, August said:

I'm not thrilled about McCown but I understand why they did it. In a year like this it's now or never in terms of seeing what we have in Petty and Hackenberg, we just needed a veteran quarterback on the roster for insurance. 

Please tell me what other teams out of the 32 experiment with the QB position, head coach and GM and don't prepare for the season by signing and drafting the BPA available to build a winning team. 

This trial and error system isn't working here haven't they realized this after all these years. 

[rangerous]

18 hours ago, SAR I said:

Exactly right.  Let's show the man some respect as well.  Not only has Sanchez been a consummate professional as a backup quarterback, but he was the best quarterback we've seen since Joe Namath.

In fact, if someone told us that Christian Hackenberg was about to go on a 25-12 run in a 37 game stretch and win 4 playoff games in his first 3 seasons we'd be doing cartwheels and that's exactly what Mark did.

SAR I

if money were the only consideration then sanchez had to have been considered.  as far as field performance goes, both mccown and sanchez are pretty close.  mccown's would have been much better than his 2-22 late record if he played on better teams.  both of these guys need a good supporting team to be successful.  maybe there's some good will to be had by bringing sanchez back.  honestly i didn't consider him, mainly for the buttfumble and other things but i guess had he been signed i would've easily gone along.  you have to wonder what goes on with these cast off qb's.  and i'm sure the same thing was thought about vinny when he was picked up in 98.  that worked out pretty well.

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
2009	23	NYJ	QB	6	15	15	8-7-0	196	364	53.8	2444	12	3.3	20	5.5	65	6.7	4.9	12.5	162.9	63.0	36.6	26	195	5.77	4.07	6.7	1	1	6
2010	24	NYJ	QB	6	16	16	11-5-0	278	507	54.8	3291	17	3.4	13	2.6	74	6.5	6.0	11.8	205.7	75.3	54.2	27	171	5.84	5.38	5.1	4	6	9
2011	25	NYJ	QB	6	16	16	8-8-0	308	543	56.7	3474	26	4.8	18	3.3	74	6.4	5.9	11.3	217.1	78.2	45.6	39	243	5.55	5.05	6.7	4	4	9
2012	26	NYJ	QB	6	15	15	6-9-0	246	453	54.3	2883	13	2.9	18	4.0	66	6.4	5.2	11.7	192.2	66.9	30.2	34	209	5.49	4.36	7.0	1	1	5
2014	28	PHI	QB	3	9	8	4-4-0	198	309	64.1	2418	14	4.5	11	3.6	72	7.8	7.1	12.2	268.7	88.4	58	23	151	6.83	6.18	6.9			7
2015	29	PHI	qb	3	4	2	0-2-0	59	91	64.8	616	4	4.4	4	4.4	43	6.8	5.7	10.4	154.0	80.7	30.6	9	54	5.62	4.62	9.0			2
2016	30	DAL		3	2	0		10	18	55.6	93	0	0.0	2	11.1	33	5.2	0.2	9.3	46.5	30.3	5.3	3	25	3.24	-1.05	14.3			0
Career					77	72	37-35-0	1295	2285	56.7	15219	86	3.8	86	3.8	74	6.7	5.7	11.8	197.6	73.9		161	1048	5.79	4.91	6.6	10	12	38
4 yrs		NYJ			62	62	33-29-0	1028	1867	55.1	12092	68	3.6	69	3.7	74	6.5	5.5	11.8	195.0	71.7		126	818	5.66	4.78	6.3	10	12	29
2 yrs		PHI			13	10	4-6-0	257	400	64.3	3034	18	4.5	15	3.8	72	7.6	6.8	11.8	233.4	86.6		32	205	6.55	5.82	7.4			9
1 yr		DAL			2	0		10	18	55.6	93	0	0.0	2	11.1	33	5.2	0.2	9.3	46.5	30.3		3	25	3.24	-1.05	14.3			0

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

if money were the only consideration then sanchez had to have been considered.  as far as field performance goes, both mccown and sanchez are pretty close.  mccown's would have been much better than his 2-22 late record if he played on better teams.  both of these guys need a good supporting team to be successful.  maybe there's some good will to be had by bringing sanchez back.  honestly i didn't consider him, mainly for the buttfumble and other things but i guess had he been signed i would've easily gone along.  you have to wonder what goes on with these cast off qb's.  and i'm sure the same thing was thought about vinny when he was picked up in 98.  that worked out pretty well.

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
2009	23	NYJ	QB	6	15	15	8-7-0	196	364	53.8	2444	12	3.3	20	5.5	65	6.7	4.9	12.5	162.9	63.0	36.6	26	195	5.77	4.07	6.7	1	1	6
2010	24	NYJ	QB	6	16	16	11-5-0	278	507	54.8	3291	17	3.4	13	2.6	74	6.5	6.0	11.8	205.7	75.3	54.2	27	171	5.84	5.38	5.1	4	6	9
2011	25	NYJ	QB	6	16	16	8-8-0	308	543	56.7	3474	26	4.8	18	3.3	74	6.4	5.9	11.3	217.1	78.2	45.6	39	243	5.55	5.05	6.7	4	4	9
2012	26	NYJ	QB	6	15	15	6-9-0	246	453	54.3	2883	13	2.9	18	4.0	66	6.4	5.2	11.7	192.2	66.9	30.2	34	209	5.49	4.36	7.0	1	1	5
2014	28	PHI	QB	3	9	8	4-4-0	198	309	64.1	2418	14	4.5	11	3.6	72	7.8	7.1	12.2	268.7	88.4	58	23	151	6.83	6.18	6.9			7
2015	29	PHI	qb	3	4	2	0-2-0	59	91	64.8	616	4	4.4	4	4.4	43	6.8	5.7	10.4	154.0	80.7	30.6	9	54	5.62	4.62	9.0			2
2016	30	DAL		3	2	0		10	18	55.6	93	0	0.0	2	11.1	33	5.2	0.2	9.3	46.5	30.3	5.3	3	25	3.24	-1.05	14.3			0
Career					77	72	37-35-0	1295	2285	56.7	15219	86	3.8	86	3.8	74	6.7	5.7	11.8	197.6	73.9		161	1048	5.79	4.91	6.6	10	12	38
4 yrs		NYJ			62	62	33-29-0	1028	1867	55.1	12092	68	3.6	69	3.7	74	6.5	5.5	11.8	195.0	71.7		126	818	5.66	4.78	6.3	10	12	29
2 yrs		PHI			13	10	4-6-0	257	400	64.3	3034	18	4.5	15	3.8	72	7.6	6.8	11.8	233.4	86.6		32	205	6.55	5.82	7.4			9
1 yr		DAL			2	0		10	18	55.6	93	0	0.0	2	11.1	33	5.2	0.2	9.3	46.5	30.3		3	25	3.24	-1.05	14.3			0

Those numbers are impressive.

SAR I

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, jetsfansince7 said:

McCown is a better quarterback. Take a look at the film from the last Browns game. They were playing us very competitively before he got hurt.
 

McCown is 2-22 in his last 2 seasons in Cleveland and the narrative is "he's a competitive guy".

Sanchez went 14-18 in his last 2 seasons in New York and the narrative was "Tebow, Geno anything is better than this guy".

I just love Jets fans.

SAR I

[joewilly12]

27 minutes ago, SAR I said:

McCown is 2-22 in his last 2 seasons in Cleveland and the narrative is "he's a competitive guy".

Sanchez went 14-18 in his last 2 seasons in New York and the narrative was "Tebow, Geno anything is better than this guy".

I just love Jets fans.

SAR I

Dont you just love the delusional Jets fans SAR I, we can sign Ryan Leaf and fans would be supporting the decision certain fans seem to like bum QB's and losing i guess. 

 

[August]

2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Please tell me what other teams out of the 32 experiment with the QB position, head coach and GM and don't prepare for the season by signing and drafting the BPA available to build a winning team. 

This trial and error system isn't working here haven't they realized this after all these years. 

We don't have a quarterback right now. We are entering into a rebuilding year, Petty and Hackenberg will get a chance to show something, I'd rather see what we have this year so we know what we have at the position. But it would've been irresponsible for the Jets to not at least bring in a quarterback that has started some games, that's where McCown fits in. This is the second time in 4 years that the Jets are rebuilding hopefully they stick with it. 

[joewilly12]

14 minutes ago, August said:

We don't have a quarterback right now. We are entering into a rebuilding year, Petty and Hackenberg will get a chance to show something, I'd rather see what we have this year so we know what we have at the position. But it would've been irresponsible for the Jets to not at least bring in a quarterback that has started some games, that's where McCown fits in. This is the second time in 4 years that the Jets are rebuilding hopefully they stick with it. 

The Jets have been rebuilding since 1968. A proper rebuild doesn't involve players named Fitzpatrick or McCown................spare me please. 

[slats]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

Dont you just love the delusional Jets fans SAR I, we can sign Ryan Leaf and fans would be supporting the decision certain fans seem to like bum QB's and losing i guess. 

 

If the Jets signed Ryan Leaf no one would be more excited than you, because it would be a name that you recognized. 

[joewilly12]

Just now, slats said:

If the Jets signed Ryan Leaf no one would be more excited than you, because it would be a name that you recognized. 

No thanks not interested in bum QB's in case you didn't notice. 

[Lupz27]

4 hours ago, jetsfansince7 said:

McCown is a better quarterback. Take a look at the film from the last Browns game. They were playing us very competitively before he got hurt.


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2-22 last 24 starts is all I have to look at.

[Jet Nut]

20 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

No thanks not interested in bum QB's in case you didn't notice. 

Says the guy who wants to sign Manziel

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, SAR I said:

McCown is 2-22 in his last 2 seasons in Cleveland and the narrative is "he's a competitive guy".

Sanchez went 14-18 in his last 2 seasons in New York and the narrative was "Tebow, Geno anything is better than this guy".

I just love Jets fans.

SAR I

Because only an assclown or a troll would even think of making the case that any of the Sanchez teams were as bad as the Browns. 

You don't seem to understand what you're watching

[joewilly12]

39 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Says the guy who wants to sign Manziel

Johny Manziel has more upside than Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty he was a far superior college QB than both of them.wouldnt you agree.