UnitedWhofans Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I think we need to set the standards to each that they get canned. The interesting thing is that record probably won't have a lot to do with it. Macc would probably be if he completely bombs this draft (which I don't think he will) Bowles would probably get fired if he loses control of the locker room again, there is no positive player development, or there is the same lack of effort as last year. If they go 4-12 but they show positive development and effort, then he will, and probably should stay. Well, what about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Agree with both. Macc is more subjective and something we won't see the whole picture on. For Bowles it seems more simple, and it will probably be obvious by the time December rolls around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Just now, isired said: Agree with both. Macc is more subjective and something we won't see the whole picture on. For Bowles it seems more simple, and it will probably be obvious by the time December rolls around. I agree, and I think it's more likely Bowles gets canned than Macc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I think we will likely see both, and Hackenberg, in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 zeroSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Well, I for one found this topic provocative and interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Look, if we have another season like last year at the least Bowles is gone. Possibly Mac, too. You'd then really have to look at the organization and ask: do we have a good infrastructure. And has he added good personnel. Has he drafted well etc. 3 years is at least somewhat fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: I think we need to set the standards to each that they get canned. The interesting thing is that record probably won't have a lot to do with it. Macc would probably be if he completely bombs this draft (which I don't think he will) Bowles would probably get fired if he loses control of the locker room again, there is no positive player development, or there is the same lack of effort as last year. If they go 4-12 but they show positive development and effort, then he will, and probably should stay. Well, what about it? Good to see someone who has a proper perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 For Bowles to get fired it won't be about the record unless it's 0-16. It will be about his handling of the team, his ability to oversee player development, game management, player management, locker room management. If all that is sound his record won't be critical as it's a team which much isn't expected of at this stage. If the above however is poor, player culture is poor, bad locker room etc then he will go. For Mac, IMHO, nothing gets him fired at this stage. He's a young GM and a flat liner type who's player picks are still developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 They will both be here. If Macc misconfigured the roster again though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 38 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Well, I for one found this topic provocative and interesting. I think he's trolling himself. Bound to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 All of the most probable ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Bowles getting fired and Maccagnan staying is the dumbest possible outcome, so regardless of how many games we win this year, I'm quite certain that's exactly what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 seems legit, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: I think we need to set the standards to each that they get canned. The interesting thing is that record probably won't have a lot to do with it. Macc would probably be if he completely bombs this draft (which I don't think he will) Bowles would probably get fired if he loses control of the locker room again, there is no positive player development, or there is the same lack of effort as last year. If they go 4-12 but they show positive development and effort, then he will, and probably should stay. Well, what about it? How many of these same threads do we need? Probably doesnt make a difference what standards fans come up with. Now thats insightful Heres a clue most missed a year ago. When Woody said there were no performance demands, that the team was making lots of changes. No one is getting fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 If the defense is completely clueless and/or the game management is atrocious, Bowles could be deemed a coaching candidate that needs to go back to assisting for awhile. There are some scenarios where Macc could mismanage the roster/draft, like for example drafting Allen and not moving 2 other DEs. He should get more rope if he can draft players that look good-decent. If he clearly bombs to the extent obvious to Woody, that could be perilous. If Devin Smith and/or Hack show a year with promise, that would help him alot and lead to less scrutiny of his 2017 draft picks. It would be safer for him to try and trade down and find talent than whiff on a QB at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Bowles and McCagnan will be here a long time. Woody is committed.......to losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 As ever, Bowles and Maccagnan will be fired whenever The Fans decide it should be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 10 hours ago, dbatesman said: Bowles getting fired and Maccagnan staying is the dumbest possible outcome, so regardless of how many games we win this year, I'm quite certain that's exactly what will happen. Why is this the dumbest possible outcome - Mac didnt even hire Bowles, like a normal GM should be allowed to do. Personally if we come away with some quality players in this draft, but the record doesnt show it and we are in line to draft a top QB, then I think the smart move is to fire bowles, keep Mac and shop a young roster with the ability to draft a top QB and cap space to new head coaches. Yes all the doomsday jet fans will whine that Darnold doesnt want to play here, etc but the truth is the Pats were a joke until they got Brady/Belichik, the saints were a laughing stock until they got Brees/Payton, etc. If we have young pieces on defense, and are really only missing a QB yet have one available in the draft (meaning we pick in the top 6 and there are 3 QBs from the group of Darnold, Rosen, Josh Allen and Jake Browning) then this job, with the cap space we will have, will be attractive to a young HC who is smart enough to realize that pairing himself with a good young QB greatly increases his chance of winning/success. Plus, having good HCs interested in the job, also lowers the chance that a guy like Darnold stays in school to avoid the Jets (which is nonsense in my opinion anyway.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: As ever, Bowles and Maccagnan will be fired whenever The Fans decide it should be so. Especially if aeroplanes and banners are involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 10 hours ago, dbatesman said: Bowles getting fired and Maccagnan staying is the dumbest possible outcome, so regardless of how many games we win this year, I'm quite certain that's exactly what will happen. On the other hand ... right now you can argue "it's the players" or "it's the coaching". You only have a sample of one on both sides. Change one variable - the coach being the easiest - and depending on how the players perform, you have a clearer answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sciond Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I think if the teams is not disciplined on and off the field and we draft poorly. However I think we need 3 years to evaluate a draft. So I think Mac is safe no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Bowles will get fired for not being animated enough on the sideline. Mac will be fired for being too Maccy. Both will be fired because Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetophile Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Mac' N' Cheese, it's always been in the cards. You can do tarot with a regular deck. Past, Present, Future, I always get the death card reversed. CHANGE. Which in the end, means fukk me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 19 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: I think we need to set the standards to each that they get canned. The interesting thing is that record probably won't have a lot to do with it. Macc would probably be if he completely bombs this draft (which I don't think he will) Bowles would probably get fired if he loses control of the locker room again, there is no positive player development, or there is the same lack of effort as last year. If they go 4-12 but they show positive development and effort, then he will, and probably should stay. Well, what about it? Dont know what to think about Macc. Hard to grade a guy who was not allowed to pick his coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 I'll be dancing a jig next January when both these retards are finally fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I'll be dancing a jig next January when both these retards are finally fired .... care to put your money where your mouth is ? cause they ain't getting fired this year when we tank . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dunnie said: .... care to put your money where your mouth is ? cause they ain't getting fired this year when we tank . You seriously think both Mac and Bowles are surviving next year? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 You seriously think both Mac and Bowles are surviving next year? Lol yup. bookmark this post.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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