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2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Maybe I'm being naive here but I think I disagree with your point.  I could see either or both coming back depending on the situation.  But I strongly do think Hack is coming back for year 3.  I think Macc sees something in him but knows he was a "broken" QB by the end at Penn State.  As for Petty, I think he's gone but it's conceivable he'll be a backup here.  Backups can be expensive (e.g. Chase Daniel) and Macc might not want to spend money on a high priced backup.

well yea, Hack will likely be back for next TC (tho past that, i wouldn't hold my breath)... the broader point was, MGMT has decided its' not happening for those two. They'll never intentionally start a game.

Josh will finish out barring an injury and we're moving on to DRAFT/FA... 

 

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8 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Completely agree.  For all of the claims of a refusal to start young players, there are never any examples given of instances where younger players of superior, or even comparable, talent have been held behind veterans.  The only real instance I could see of that for this team might be Forte, but Powell is far from a young player himself, and has unfortunately shown in recent years that he is not built to take the beating of a full-time back, and they're still playing all 3 guys.

Meanwhile, on the other hand you have moves such as Kerley's signing and playing time, that was often previously used as another example of this supposed trend, and yet in his absence, Stewart and Hansen combined have not been able to match his contributions.  I have no problem excusing that for a couple of mid-round rookies, but it also supports the decisions made.

Perhaps they acquired Kerley (and Kearse) in the first place because the younger receivers weren’t cutting it. 

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4 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Fair point.  But what happens if Macc brings back either or both of Hack and Petty.  Does that affect how you judge this decision?

Not really. If the same trio is brought back again by the GM, the level of increased displeasure would be insignificant as to which one of the 3 dead ends we drive down. 

You can’t have a GM bring in a player and then be surprised a HC in job preservation mode is playing him after it’s shown he’s clearly the better QB. 

When a HC has a few more guaranteed seasons left he can afford to be riskier with the starting QB. When he’s entering (or in) his lame duck season? Not so much.

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9 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Perhaps they acquired Kerley (and Kearse) in the first place because the younger receivers weren’t cutting it. 

Are you saying Ardarious Stewart and Devin Smith aren’t a young Wes Walker and Randy Moss?

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20 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Since when are Josh McCown’s interests more important than the team’s? 

Never, I said he has earned the right, "deserves got nothing to do with it"...

I can dislike the decision to sign him, start him over the rookies and leave him starting after the Miami loss, Atlanta loss, and after the break, I despise $125k per start but I can't dislike the person, by all accounts, he is a good teammate, working hard for our team - not his fault he was put in this position - looking to stay positive :)

Sucks for the team/fans that we do not get to see if the drafted QB's can develop but maybe the harsh reality is that Petty had his chance and Hack should not have been drafted, ever 

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18 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Completely agree.  For all of the claims of a refusal to start young players, there are never any examples given of instances where younger players of superior, or even comparable, talent have been held behind veterans.  The only real instance I could see of that for this team might be Forte, but Powell is far from a young player himself, and has unfortunately shown in recent years that he is not built to take the beating of a full-time back, and they're still playing all 3 guys.

Meanwhile, on the other hand you have moves such as Kerley's signing and playing time, that was often previously used as another example of this supposed trend, and yet in his absence, Stewart and Hansen combined have not been able to match his contributions.  I have no problem excusing that for a couple of mid-round rookies, but it also supports the decisions made.

I make this argument about the QBs all the time.  When have we ever started a veteran QB over a young player who's given any indication he can play in this league?

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42 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I make this argument about the QBs all the time.  When have we ever started a veteran QB over a young player who's given any indication he can play in this league?

Everyone knows Ratliff and Simms were destined for greatness.

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14 hours ago, Paradis said:

I think everyone needs to accept that we're moving on from Petty and Hack. You're never going to see them start a game. They're sh*t.

Angry about that? Talk to Macc 

As I've said before, I have no issue with this at all, unless either one of them shows up at camp next year.  If both are cut before camp next year I'll gladly accept the fact that they evaluated them and they were so terrible they could not get even a snap in reg season once we are out of the playoffs.

If, as I suspect will happen that both or one of them is in camp next year then I have a major issue with it.

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13 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

As I've said before, I have no issue with this at all, unless either one of them shows up at camp next year.  If both are cut before camp next year I'll gladly accept the fact that they evaluated them and they were so terrible they could not get even a snap in reg season once we are out of the playoffs.

If, as I suspect will happen that both or one of them is in camp next year then I have a major issue with it.

It's all but guaranteed one of them will be the #3 QB, and both will likely be fighting it out for that job in camp next year.  There's even an outside chance both could stick if they sign Cousins.  However, you're probably taking a bit too much from that if you think it means any more than Macc not wanting to admit failure on both players until he absolutely has to, and that with their countless needs, the Jets are not going to waste their time signing / drafting 3 players at the position.

The team, including Macc, has regularly referred to Petty as a backup QB over the years.  Regardless of some fans' displeasure or disagreement with that, it's been a pretty consistent position they've always held for 3 years now.  On the other hand, they desperately tried to give Hack every opportunity to take the job in the preseason, and he failed as horribly as possible.  There's plenty of reason to be unhappy with these outcomes, but none of them suggest the Jets have any desperate need to start these guys.

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There is absolutely no reason to keep guys around that are so bad they cannot even be considered to play at all in a lost season behind a 38 year old journeyman once the season is over.

You do not draft players to be 3rd stringers so if a guy is of 3d string quality then you dump him and bring in someone else to look at.

Keep your vet if you are stuck on that then draft two QBs or draft one and sign one udfa.

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Offensive coordinator John Morton made his feelings clear. He'd love another opportunity to coach Josh McCown, who will be a free agent.

"Sure, why wouldn't I? Look at the stats," Morton said Thursday.

Yes, look at the stats.

Based on passer rating, McCown is having the third-best quarterback season in Jets history. His is 96.7, which trails only Chad Pennington (104.2 in 2002) and Vinny Testaverde (101.6 in 1998).

"He's playing at a high level," Morton said. "I don't care what his age is."

McCown is 38, which means there's risk involved in re-signing him. From all indications, he wants to play another year. That he's playing the best ball of his life at this age shows his commitment to improvement and longevity.

"He's perfect for this system," Morton said.

But, as Morton noted, the quarterback decision isn't his call. The powers that be will formulate a plan, if they haven't already, addressing short- and long-term needs. Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg are under contract next season, although neither is considered the future starter. It would be a surprise if both return.

 

I'd say it's pretty obvious McCown will be back next year in some capacity. 

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6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

There is absolutely no reason to keep guys around that are so bad they cannot even be considered to play at all in a lost season behind a 38 year old journeyman once the season is over.

You do not draft players to be 3rd stringers so if a guy is of 3d string quality then you dump him and bring in someone else to look at.

Keep your vet if you are stuck on that then draft two QBs or draft one and sign one udfa.

But season isn't over. Thus no reason to even consider it. Playoffs are mathematically still alive, only 4 games left, theres just no reason to even consider making a switch. It's a pretty obvious move for the HC. 

You draft a QB, keep McCown and let Petty and Hack battle it for the 3rd spot. 

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28 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

I'd say it's pretty obvious McCown will be back next year in some capacity. 

I think the only exception would be if they went for a starting QB in free agency (i.e., Cousins), in which case he'd likely head elsewhere.  Otherwise, if they plan on addressing QB in the draft, I agree McCown is a pretty good money bet to return.

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28 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

But season isn't over. Thus no reason to even consider it. Playoffs are mathematically still alive, only 4 games left, theres just no reason to even consider making a switch. It's a pretty obvious move for the HC. 

You draft a QB, keep McCown and let Petty and Hack battle it for the 3rd spot. 

Exactly. The Giants wont even give Davis Webb a start, yet he is still on their roster. 

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16 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Exactly. The Giants wont even give Davis Webb a start, yet he is still on their roster. 

Well I mean, Giants are different right now. They're just trying to do anything to save face right now and not lose their fans. So it's Eli all the way. 

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Just now, MDL_JET said:

Well I mean, Giants are different right now. They're just trying to do anything to save face right now and not lose their fans. So it's Eli all the way. 

Yes because they mishandled the original changeover so badly.

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1 hour ago, MDL_JET said:

But season isn't over. Thus no reason to even consider it. Playoffs are mathematically still alive, only 4 games left, theres just no reason to even consider making a switch. It's a pretty obvious move for the HC. 

You draft a QB, keep McCown and let Petty and Hack battle it for the 3rd spot. 

The season will be over in a few more games and he will still not play them.

I'll repeat ZERO reason o keep either one them around if they are battling for #3, ZERO.  You are wasting time and resources on players who have no future at all.

We should have kept shaq Evans around so he could battle with the lower end receivers I suppose.

If these QBs are just this sh*tty then should not set foot in florham park next year.

 

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Just now, Beerfish said:

The season will be over in a few more games and he will still not play them.

I'll repeat ZERO reason o keep either one them around if they are battling for #3, ZERO.  You are wasting time and resources on players who have no future at all.

We should have kept shaq Evans around so he could battle with the lower end receivers I suppose.

If these QBs are just this sh*tty then should not set foot in florham park next year.

 

So why do the Giants still have Davis Webb on their roster?

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16 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

So why do the Giants still have Davis Webb on their roster?

He has been there one year only and like here he should be playing.  If their coach comes out and says that eli is the starter no matter what then yes he should be punted next year as well.

In any case Davis Webb is therir version of Hack, he is awful

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You know if Maccagnan hadnt boned the drafts this Mccown thing may have actually worked.

Deion Jones made more plays in one game last night than Lee has made in 2 years for example.

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

The season will be over in a few more games and he will still not play them.

I'll repeat ZERO reason o keep either one them around if they are battling for #3, ZERO.  You are wasting time and resources on players who have no future at all.

We should have kept shaq Evans around so he could battle with the lower end receivers I suppose.

If these QBs are just this sh*tty then should not set foot in florham park next year.

 

There's only 4 left...Make it sound like we have 8 games to go or something. 

And why is there zero reason to keep around if they're battling for the 3rd spot? I mean, Hack I understand. I fully expect Petty to win that competition if it happened. Petty is perfectly fine to keep around as a cheap back up QB. In 2 years he'd be the #2 when McCown is out. 

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10 hours ago, Matt39 said:

You know if Maccagnan hadnt boned the drafts this Mccown thing may have actually worked.

Deion Jones made more plays in one game last night than Lee has made in 2 years for example.

All of his drafts have been garbage including this year

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