Sam Darnold is growing up in front of our eyes.

[Zerovoltz]

On 10/14/2018 at 3:44 PM, Ghost420 said:

Saquon is a monster. 

Barry Sanders was a monster.  He played in an era where the QB didn't matter as much as now.  The Lions never won JACK SQUAT with him because they never had a QB.  ......Saquon Barkley is a fun novelty item who is fun to watch...and he won't be more than that without a QB.

[BurnleyJet]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

Barry Sanders was a monster.  He played in an era where the QB didn't matter as much as now.  The Lions never won JACK SQUAT with him because they never had a QB.  ......Saquon Barkley is a fun novelty item who is fun to watch...and he won't be more than that without a QB.

The Giants draft top 3 again, and next season they draft a QB. Eli is done! 

[Lith]

Leaders among rookie QBs:

Completion Percentage: Darnold 59.8

TDs Thrown: Darnold 9 (All others combined, 8)

TD Percentage: Darnold 5%

Lowest % of Sacks: Darnold 7.3%

1st Down %: Darnold, 34.1

QB Rating: Darnold 83.7

QB Wins: Darnold, 3

Interceptions, Darnold 7 (Can’t have everything)

[greenwichjetfan]

23 minutes ago, Lith said:

Leaders among rookie QBs:

Completion Percentage: Darnold 59.8

TDs Thrown: Darnold 9 (All others combined, ?

TD Percentage: Darnold 5%

Lowest % of Sacks: Darnold 7.3%

1st Down %: Darnold, 34.1

QB Rating: Darnold 83.7

QB Wins: Darnold, 3

Interceptions, Darnold 7 (Can’t have everything)

This is fantastic.

Also, although ints are never a good thing, the prevention of them is overblown.

I’d rather have a guy go 3 td 1 int over 2 td 0 int every single game.

[nyjunc]

12 hours ago, Bruce Harper said:

Respectfully, the Sanchez analogy doesn’t fit because he never even made it to a SB, let alone won two.


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His defense and STs didn't play like Eli's.  In 2 title games Mark led his Os to 17 pts each time, in 2 title games Eli led his Os to 17 & 20 pts in regulation yet Eli won both and Mark lost both.  If Mark had NYG D/STs he makes and has a chance to win 2 SBs

[slats]

55 minutes ago, Lith said:

Leaders among rookie QBs:

Completion Percentage: Darnold 59.8

TDs Thrown: Darnold 9 (All others combined, ?

TD Percentage: Darnold 5%

Lowest % of Sacks: Darnold 7.3%

1st Down %: Darnold, 34.1

QB Rating: Darnold 83.7

QB Wins: Darnold, 3

Interceptions, Darnold 7 (Can’t have everything)

He's the only one who started opening day, so I'd expect him to have the cumulative numbers, so it's the percentages that impress me the most. The one you missed is #1 in yards per attempt: 7.5. And while he has the most interceptions, he's the only rookie who's thrown more TDs than ints so far. 

[Bruce Harper]

55 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

His defense and STs didn't play like Eli's.  In 2 title games Mark led his Os to 17 pts each time, in 2 title games Eli led his Os to 17 & 20 pts in regulation yet Eli won both and Mark lost both.  If Mark had NYG D/STs he makes and has a chance to win 2 SBs

And if my mother had wheels she'd be a car.  But I get your point.  It is not a bad one.

[redlichtie]

13 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said:

Hope your not being facetious.  Regardless I'm liking Darnold, win, or lose.  I think we have a good one.

No I wasn’t and agreed, I wasn’t a Darnold fan coming out but he’s been hugely impressive in everything he’s done since he walked in the building....good times

[Bruce Harper]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

Leaders among rookie QBs:

Completion Percentage: Darnold 59.8

TDs Thrown: Darnold 9 (All others combined, ?

TD Percentage: Darnold 5%

Lowest % of Sacks: Darnold 7.3%

1st Down %: Darnold, 34.1

QB Rating: Darnold 83.7

QB Wins: Darnold, 3

Interceptions, Darnold 7 (Can’t have everything)

He may have the most INTs but that is just a function of playing the most and I would bet that he has the best TD to INT ratio of all the rooks.  (I haven't checked.)

I would be shocked if the rating and completion percentage don't go up substantially over time as he gets more comfortable.  His place as the leading rookie QB would be even more apparent if he hadn't had a relatively weak game against Cleveland.

[Bowles Movement]

On 10/15/2018 at 11:50 AM, Bruce Harper said:

Not bad for a rookie.

Having Eli leading the pack makes this stat dubious

[nico002]

Let’s put some context on the picks

- week 1... first throw of career on a bizarre designed play... 

- week 2... Pryor gives up on route 

- week 3.... second pick was a desperation Hail Mary 

- week 5... batted ball 

- week 6... arm was hit 

so far I pin two picks on bad decisions/throws by Sam. The first pick vs dolphins and the first pick vs browns. In fairness he’s had 2-3 bad throws that could have been picked but were not. Same can be applied to all QBs as well...

also mayfield has 7 turnovers in fewer games. And should of had 2 turnovers bs the Jets (fumble and dropped end zone int)

for additional context... Brady has 6 picks and at least 1 fumble lost 

[sec101row23]

Interesting that 3 of the 6 opponents the Jets have faced are in the top 5 of the league in pass defense.  Sam’s done well all things considered.  

[Jet Nut]

22 hours ago, nyjunc said:

By the way, in 12 postseason games Eli has led his offense to 18.4 PPG in regulation.

In 6 postseason games Mark led his Os to 20 PPG.

The lowest amount of points Mark led his Os to in postseason was 17, Eli led his offense to ZERO, 9 and 13 in 3 of his playoff games

Which means what?  You found a pointless stat that means absolutely nothing?  Eli has two SB rings, no matter how many different ways you try to find to diminish the accomplishment.  Something Sanchez couldn't do and will never do.  

 

[Bruce Harper]

1 hour ago, Bowles Movement said:

Having Eli leading the pack makes this stat dubious

Apparently old stats.  Eli is not there anymore.  

[thshadow]

22 hours ago, BroadwayRay said:

I thought his QBR for the Colts game was 113.9. I'm guessing that would still be the highest rating ever for a 21-year-old QB.

It looks like his > 115 rating was in his very 1st game:

2018 REGULAR SEASON GAME LOG			PASSING										RUSHING
DATE	OPP	RESULT	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	LNG	TD	INT	QBR	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
Sun 10/14	vs   IND	W 42-34	24	30	280	80.0	9.33	32	2	1	90.5	113.9	6	8	1.3	6	0
Sun 10/7	vs   DEN	W 34-16	10	22	198	45.5	9.00	76	3	1	58.0	98.1	3	5	1.7	3	0
Sun 9/30	@   JAX	L 12-31	17	34	167	50.0	4.91	42	1	0	15.6	74.0	2	8	4.0	5	0
Thu 9/20	@   CLE	L 17-21	15	31	169	48.4	5.45	25	0	2	30.9	38.2	0	0	0.0	0	0
Sun 9/16	vs   MIA	L 12-20	25	41	334	61.0	8.15	44	1	2	13.8	74.6	2	1	0.5	1	0
Mon 9/10	@   DET	W 48-17	16	21	198	76.2	9.43	41	2	1	82.9	116.8	6	-1	-0.2	6	0
REGULAR SEASON STATS			107	179	1,346	59.8	7.52	76	9	7	45.4	83.7	19	21	1.1	6	0

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nyjunc]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Which means what?  You found a pointless stat that means absolutely nothing?  Eli has two SB rings, no matter how many different ways you try to find to diminish the accomplishment.  Something Sanchez couldn't do and will never do.  

 

He has 2 SB rings because his D/STs played incredible football.  If Eli was the main guy that don't get close to a SB.  

[jetstream23]

On 10/15/2018 at 12:51 PM, thshadow said:

This chart is showing: when a QB passes on 3rd down, what percent of the time do they get a first down.

 

%First Downs, Pass on 3rd Down

Rank	Name	Team	Stats
1	M. Ryan	Atl	51.7 ( 30/58 )
2	P. Mahomes	KC	48.9 ( 23/47 )
3	A. Luck	Ind	48.7 ( 37/76 )
4	C. Beathard	SF	47.6 ( 10/21 )
5	K. Cousins	Min	46.3 ( 31/67 )
6	A. Dalton	Cin	46.0 ( 23/50 )
7	M. Stafford	Det	45.8 ( 22/48 )
8	M. Trubisky	Chi	45.7 ( 16/35 )
9	C. Wentz	Phi	43.9 ( 18/41 )
10	D. Carr	Oak	43.8 ( 21/48 )
11	S. Darnold	NYJ	43.4 ( 23/53 )
12	J. Goff	LAR	43.2 ( 19/44 )
13	J. Flacco	Bal	42.4 ( 28/66 )
14	B. Bortles	Jax	42.2 ( 27/64 )
15	R. Fitzpatrick	TB	41.9 ( 13/31 )
16	E. Manning	NYG	40.7 ( 24/59 )
17	B. Mayfield	Cle	40.4 ( 19/47 )
18t	T. Brady	NE	39.6 ( 19/48 )
18t	A. Rodgers	GB	39.6 ( 19/48 )
20	D. Brees	NO	39.4 ( 13/33 )

 

 

Eli is no longer at the top of the pack.  Darnold is 11th in the NFL, and 5th in the AFC.

 

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=098&type=Passing&year=

 

BOOM!

#CompletionsThatActuallyMatter

 

 

[greenwichjetfan]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

BOOM!

#CompletionsThatActuallyMatter

 

 

Sam is special. There’s no other way around it. He has more attempts than #s 18, 19, 20; and those guys haven’t even gone up against the caliber pass defenses (according to rankings) that Sam’s faced so far!

Also interesting that Brees has only attempted 33 third down passes when the rest of the guys on there that have played every game are closer to around 50. 

Lastly, even at 76 attempts, Luck is 3rd in first down conversions. It’s a shame that guy has no help....he’s too good for that organization. Needs to follow Elway and Peyton and go win in Denver.

[Jet Nut]

5 hours ago, nyjunc said:

He has 2 SB rings because his D/STs played incredible football.  If Eli was the main guy that don't get close to a SB.  

He has two SB rings because he was the winning QB of two SB winning teams.  I know it kills you and you'll look for some nonsensical stat that has you convinced it didn't actually happen but it did.  Along with his MVP trophies. 

It's simple.  Give up already.

[Jet Nut]

...

[Skeptable]

10 hours ago, thshadow said:

It looks like his > 115 rating was in his very 1st game:

2018 REGULAR SEASON GAME LOG			PASSING										RUSHING
DATE	OPP	RESULT	CMP	ATT	YDS	CMP%	AVG	LNG	TD	INT	QBR	RAT	ATT	YDS	AVG	LNG	TD
Sun 10/14	vs   IND	W 42-34	24	30	280	80.0	9.33	32	2	1	90.5	113.9	6	8	1.3	6	0
Sun 10/7	vs   DEN	W 34-16	10	22	198	45.5	9.00	76	3	1	58.0	98.1	3	5	1.7	3	0
Sun 9/30	@   JAX	L 12-31	17	34	167	50.0	4.91	42	1	0	15.6	74.0	2	8	4.0	5	0
Thu 9/20	@   CLE	L 17-21	15	31	169	48.4	5.45	25	0	2	30.9	38.2	0	0	0.0	0	0
Sun 9/16	vs   MIA	L 12-20	25	41	334	61.0	8.15	44	1	2	13.8	74.6	2	1	0.5	1	0
Mon 9/10	@   DET	W 48-17	16	21	198	76.2	9.43	41	2	1	82.9	116.8	6	-1	-0.2	6	0
REGULAR SEASON STATS			107	179	1,346	59.8	7.52	76	9	7	45.4	83.7	19	21	1.1	6	0

 

 

 

 

 

 

@BroadwayRay ummm that's passer rating.... not QBR

[jetgreen13]

On 10/14/2018 at 5:08 PM, fusionCA said:

the Center Long is not good at all , he is an upgrade over last year but thats an upgrade from dog sh*t to cat poop

so many low and high snaps in all games, penalties and he just taking points from the offense and putting Darnold in a bad position many times .

OK, that made me laugh out loud in real time, for a while..

[thshadow]

13 hours ago, Skeptable said:

@BroadwayRay ummm that's passer rating.... not QBR

Well I'm pretty sure he hasn't had a QBR > 115, which is the tweet I was responding to... 

[Skeptable]

7 minutes ago, thshadow said:

Well I'm pretty sure he hasn't had a QBR > 115, which is the tweet I was responding to... 

QBR only goes to 100... So no QB will ever have a QBR over 115

[thshadow]

9 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

QBR only goes to 100... So no QB will ever have a QBR over 115

Exactly. 

In this post there was a tweet that said 

Quote

Sam Darnold now also the youngest player in NFL history to have a passer rating of over 115 on 30+ attempts.

I was saying that happened in the Detroit game, not against Indy.  Obviously he wasn't talking about QBR.

 

[Untouchable]

15 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

QBR only goes to 100... So no QB will ever have a QBR over 115

It’s passer rating, not QBR.

A perfect passer rating is 158.3

QBR is some sh*t that ESPN came up with a few years ago.

[Lupz27]

16 minutes ago, thshadow said:

Exactly. 

In this post there was a tweet that said 

I was saying that happened in the Detroit game, not against Indy.  Obviously he wasn't talking about QBR.

 

I don’t think he attempted 30 passes in the Detroit game without looking at the box score.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, thshadow said:

Well I'm pretty sure he hasn't had a QBR > 115, which is the tweet I was responding to... 

You're right, not QBR but he had a QB rating of 116.8 in the Detroit game.  

[Skeptable]

5 hours ago, Untouchable said:

It’s passer rating, not QBR.

A perfect passer rating is 158.3

QBR is some sh*t that ESPN came up with a few years ago.

I know that's what I said!

[Skeptable]

5 hours ago, thshadow said:

Exactly. 

In this post there was a tweet that said 

I was saying that happened in the Detroit game, not against Indy.  Obviously he wasn't talking about QBR.

 

But you keep calling it QBR..... QBR does not equal Passer Rating... 

[thshadow]

42 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

But you keep calling it QBR..... QBR does not equal Passer Rating... 

Not sure when I did that, but I think we're in violent agreement....

[nyjunc]

On 10/16/2018 at 10:19 PM, Jet Nut said:

He has two SB rings because he was the winning QB of two SB winning teams.  I know it kills you and you'll look for some nonsensical stat that has you convinced it didn't actually happen but it did.  Along with his MVP trophies. 

It's simple.  Give up already.

He's the only two time SB winning QB to never lead his O to at least 20 pts.  He's never won a playoff game when his D allowed more than 20.  He helped them win, he made some plays but if the D doesn't play out of their mind he wouldn't have a single SB app.

[Jet Nut]

10 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

He's the only two time SB winning QB to never lead his O to at least 20 pts.  He's never won a playoff game when his D allowed more than 20.  He helped them win, he made some plays but if the D doesn't play out of their mind he wouldn't have a single SB app.

What are you trying to sell, that because the Giants D played well, Eli didnt?  When he outplayed Favre and won 37-20.  Because the D didnt give up more than 20 it doesnt count or he didnt play well?  What?

Who gives a damn what youre trying to sell?  He has two SB rings, two SB MVPs and yet you're still trying to come up reasons why those things meaning nothing.  

 

 

[nyjunc]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

What are you trying to sell, that because the Giants D played well, Eli didnt?  When he outplayed Favre and won 37-20.  Because the D didnt give up more than 20 it doesnt count or he didnt play well?  What?

Who gives a damn what youre trying to sell?  He has two SB rings, two SB MVPs and yet you're still trying to come up reasons why those things meaning nothing.  

 

 

He beat favre in OT 23-20 after D picked favre off and set him up in FG range to win game in OT.

The 37-20 game(which included a hail Mary and NYG WRs taking short passes turning them into long TDs) the D dominated aaron Rodgers.  They held Rodgers and GB O to 13 pts in competitive portion of the game, that added a garbage time TD.

 

He didn't deserve either SB MVP. He has been a mostly average QB the majority of his career and in recent years been a bad QB.

[Jet Nut]

3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

He beat favre in OT 23-20 after D picked favre off and set him up in FG range to win game in OT.

The 37-20 game(which included a hail Mary and NYG WRs taking short passes turning them into long TDs) the D dominated aaron Rodgers.  They held Rodgers and GB O to 13 pts in competitive portion of the game, that added a garbage time TD.

 

He didn't deserve either SB MVP. He has been a mostly average QB the majority of his career and in recent years been a bad QB.

You just don't stop.  He has two rings.  Go argue somewhere else.  WTF is the matter with you