CIMINI : HOW ADAM GASE WENT FROM ANNOYING LACKEY TO NFL HEAD COACH

[jetstream23]

Looks like Cimini has the top story on the NFL section of ESPN.com....

[RoadFan]

Rich Cimini is a very, very good writer.

This piece and the one about Gastineau's battle with cancer make that abundantly clear.

[Hackenberg - Banned]

47 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Other than Bowles & Rex, Herm... 

 

Rex got alot of hype actually. 

[Embrace the Suck]

2 hours ago, Hackenberg said:

said about just about every coach ever

No, not so. Many are former players or sons of, such as at least our last two.

[Larz]

Shame for cimini that he’s still an annoying lackey 

[RoadFan]

14 minutes ago, Larz said:

Shame for cimini that he’s still an annoying lackey 

People trash him because of his snarky schtick.

Frankly, if any of us were around the Jets as much as he is... we probably would carry a similar attitude.  We certainly trash them enough around here.

Cimini is one of the best sportswriters in the country when he puts something together above the usual day to day stuff, IMO.

[Lupz27]

3 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Totally wrong.  Ross is a checkbook, nothing more.  Tanny was gases puppet.

Wrong 

[FidelioJet]

19 hours ago, Jetstream said:

This is the quote that most need to hear...feel like all the detractors say this...

"Everybody says, 'Oh, Peyton Manning, anybody can coach him,'" former Denver coach John Fox said. "Not really true. All quarterbacks want answers, and Adam did a fantastic job of giving him answers."

It's a nice quote and all but Peyton manning had many OC's and continually performed at an exceptionally high level.   Like Gase or not but he should NOT be ANY credit of Mannings success - which was late in his career.  It's not like he taught the guy.

[jack48]

19 hours ago, JiF said:

Meh, unless you're a former player or daddy's little boy, all these dudes start out the same way.  Impressive that Gase was able to make it to the top of the mountain but discouraging how ugly the fall was once he got there.  I hope it's different his second time around.  

he said that he had a troublesome owner and that he should hve done better. We know iami is one by an a$$hole.  Miami does not concern me.  He has good support here.  Most coach hires are a crapshoot

[flgreen]

20 hours ago, JiF said:

Meh, unless you're a former player or daddy's little boy, all these dudes start out the same way.  Impressive that Gase was able to make it to the top of the mountain but discouraging how ugly the fall was once he got there.  I hope it's different his second time around.  

LOL

C'mon JiF, that's a bit dramatic no?  Guy was 23-25, not 9-23.  His starting QB missed 25 games.  Was replaced by Cutler (off the couch, lol) Osweiler, Matt Moore, and David Fales, all played games.

Last year Had 13 players end the season on IR, and was still in the playoff hunt until week 16.  In games decided by 8 points or less the Fish were 20-6.  (Not sure what that means, but it's a hell of an interesting stat LOL)

To say he failed is fair.  23-25 is in fact a losing record.  But "how ugly the fall was once he got there" is a bit silly. 

[jetswin]

Great read, I'm really looking forward to this season an optimism not seen since Rex left

[rangerous]

On 7/19/2019 at 10:49 AM, SAR I said:

It is happening.

SAR I

it sure seems like it.  the jets have made some nice moves player wise and in the front office.  of course the downside is all the players so far can be attributed to mac.  blind squirrel finding a nut?

[Apache 51]

2 minutes ago, rangerous said:

it sure seems like it.  the jets have made some nice moves player wise and in the front office.  of course the downside is all the players so far can be attributed to mac.  blind squirrel finding a nut?

or building a nut house?

[rangerous]

On 7/19/2019 at 1:17 PM, Warfish said:

That sounds great.

I guess what I keep wondering is how much actual "coaching" DID Payton Manning require in his 16th and 17th years as a starting NFL QB, one well known for calling his own plays and doing his own thing.

If Peyton says alot, and he DOES admittedly give alot of happy talk when it comes to Gase, ok, that says something.  

Gase's career to-date is almost entirely working with long-established-as-starters, veteran QB's. 

Manning (in his 16th and 17th year) in 2013 and 2014.  He was a HOF'er when Gase got him, but did have his best production year with him.

Cutler (in his 10th year)) in 2015.  He had a long resume of similar-level success before Gase got him.

And Tannehill (in his 5th, 6th and 7th years) in 2016-2018.  His best years were all before Gase arrived, production wise at least.  He did win more with Gase than before, to be noted.

So the real question is how will Gase do with a non-veteran, extremely young QB with no real success yet in the league.  A QB to mold for himself?

It will be exciting to see, no matter how much you do or don't "have faith" in Gase himself.  Sam as a materially better potential talent than Tannehill or Cutler, although comparing his potential to manning is (IMO) a step too far, certainly at this point.

Interesting times ahead! 

brady doesn't play as well without little joshy and he's been in the same system for nearly a generation.  i am not worried about what gase did or didn't do in miami.  by all account they are tanking that team and tannehill was never the solution at qb.

[pdxgreen]

Damn.  That was a much better article than I expected.  I just had to get past the few times in the article where they mentioned Don James and I wanted to throw up.

[SAR I]

51 minutes ago, rangerous said:

it sure seems like it.  the jets have made some nice moves player wise and in the front office.  of course the downside is all the players so far can be attributed to mac.  blind squirrel finding a nut?

The players can be attributed to Christopher Johnson. 

We have continuity and proven leadership.

SAR I

[freestater]

5 hours ago, jetswin said:

Great read, I'm really looking forward to this season an optimism not seen since Rex left

Nice to "see" ya, JayDub

[DetroitRed]

 

[pdxgreen]

9 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

 

Damn.  The bit about the first read... now that impresses me!

[Warfish]

3 hours ago, rangerous said:

brady doesn't play as well without little joshy and he's been in the same system for nearly a generation.

What are you basing that claim on exactly?

Might want to relook at the numbers....

In any event, are you saying that Darnold is equal to Brady, making such a 1:1 comparison carry some value? 

If not, why compare Darnold to the GOAT QB in NFL history? 

[joewilly]

On ‎7‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 1:41 PM, JiF said:

Fox alluded to it being "answers", hard to dissect specifically but if I had to guess?; he's probably referring to accountability for players being where they needed to be, down and distance tendencies of the D they were facing and maybe the off chance he had a presnap read wrong or went the wrong place with the ball and Gase was able to call it out on Ipad on the sidelines or in the meeting room.  Essentially, providing more of the situational awareness stuff that might not be as easy to keep track of while you're in the moment or having the balls to challenge one of the greatest of all time.  None of which actually made Peyton a better QB, per say, but more so putting the unit in position to succeed, which helped him have his best statistical season. 

Totally spitballing here...because I'm with you, it's hard for me to credit Gase for that job when Peyton was already Peyton.  

great post as I think you're spot on here.