Barry McCockinner Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 This Pats defense has been historically good for the first third of the season. 8 PPG Against (2000 Ravens allowed 11.5 for the season as a point of reference) Only 1 passing TD allowed 25 sacks 14 INTs 5 defensive TD's, 2 Special Teams TD's (punt block ->6) < 14% 3rd down conversion The opponents (ranked by offensive YPG): Steelers (29th) (with Roethlisberger) - 3 points allowed Dolphins (31st) - 0 points allowed Jets (32nd) - 14 points allowed (no offensive points for Jets) Bills (10th) - 10 points allowed Redskins (28th) - 7 points allowed Giants (24th) - 14 points allowed The opponents have been weak, but they can only play who is put in front of them and so far they have absolutely smothered the competition. It's going to be tough sledding no matter how you slice it here. If we have a lot of offensive success against this team the sky is the limit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UntouchableCrew Posted October 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2019 Ben Roethlisberger, Josh Rosen, Luke Falk, Josh Allen, Colt McCoy, Daniel Jones. Other than a washed Big Ben who looks like his career might be over they've played nobody, backups, journeymen, and rookies. They're obviously awesome, but let's see what we can do. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, UntouchableCrew said: Ben Roethlisberger, Josh Rosen, Luke Falk, Josh Allen, Colt McCoy, Daniel Jones. Other than a washed Big Ben who looks like his career might be over they've played nobody, backups, journeymen, and rookies. They're obviously awesome, but let's see what we can do. I was surprised to see the Bills had the 10th ranked offense. I don't think too highly of Allen but that unit is moving the ball well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: This Pats defense has been historically good for the first third of the season. 8 PPG Against (2000 Ravens allowed 11.5 for the season) Only 1 passing TD allowed 25 sacks 14 INTs 5 defensive TD's, 2 Special Teams TD's (punt block ->6) < 14% 3rd down conversion The opponents (ranked by offensive YPG): Steelers (29th) (with Roethlisberger) - 3 points allowed Dolphins (31st) - 0 points allowed Jets (32nd) - 14 points allowed Bills (10th) - 10 points allowed Redskins (28th) - 7 points allowed Giants (24th) - 14 points allowed The opponents have been weak, but they can only play who is put in front of them and so far they have absolutely smothered the competition. It's going to be tough sledding no matter how you slice it here. Interestingly, we tied with the Giants for most points scored against them so far and that was with Falk at the helm. If we have a lot of offensive success against this team the sky is the limit. FYI, 7 of the Jets points weren't scored against their defense. I think if Gase calls for a plan with a 65:35 pass ratio and Sam can take that step we're all hoping he takes, we'll win this game. Trying to establish/relying on Leveon will be a recipe for disaster. Belichick will put all his marbles on stopping Lev and disguising coverages for Sam, but don't think he'll blitz him too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZachEY Posted October 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2019 We are winning this game. Then, you will see @SAR I's design. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 They look awesome, but it is still early in the season and their opponents have been awful. You can't take anything away from them, because they have done everything that is expected of them and then some, but I want to wait until they have played some better offenses before comparing them to teams like the 2000 Ravens. Also, they seem to have benefited from an unusual number of pick 6s (two against the dolphins alone), fumble returns, and blocked punts. Those plays are somewhat random and skew statistics in small sample sizes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, greenwichjetfan said: FYI, 7 of the Jets points weren't scored against their defense. I think if Gase calls for a plan with a 65:35 pass ratio and Sam can take that step we're all hoping he takes, we'll win this game. right - I forgot about the pick 6 in garbage time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, slimjasi said: They look awesome, but it is still early in the season and their opponents have been awful. You can't take anything away from them, because they have done everything that is expected of them and then some, but I want to wait until they have played some better offenses before comparing them to teams like the 2000 Ravens. Also, they seem to have benefited from an unusual number of pick 6s (two against the dolphins alone), fumble returns, and blocked punts. Those plays are somewhat random and skew statistics in small sample sizes. I use the 2000 Ravens more as a point of reference than a comparison. FWIW - the 00 Ravens had given up about 11 PPG at this point but that included 3 shutouts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: I use the 2000 Ravens more as a point of reference than a comparison. FWIW - the 00 Ravens had given up about 11 PPG at this point but that included 3 shutouts. Right. And, to me, what made that Ravens defense truly special is what they did in the playoffs. They gave up one offensive touchdown in 4 playoff games, including humiliating one of the best offenses in the league in the AFC Championship game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I use the 2000 Ravens more as a point of reference than a comparison. FWIW - the 00 Ravens had given up about 11 PPG at this point but that included 3 shutouts. The 2000 Ravens played a really weak schedule too. And that was a weird year for the NFL. Like there was a shortage of offensive talent across a bunch of teams. When you look at the numbers, the 2000 Titans wasn't that far behind the Ravens in a lot of categories. Still an historically great D, but definitely a tier below the '85 Bears. Then again, pretty much all defenses all-time were a tier below the '85 Bears... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Only one way out...turnovers and..................touchdowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted October 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2019 stephon gilmore is legit AF the mccourty's are smart but they are not the 85 bears 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: This Pats defense has been historically good for the first third of the season. 8 PPG Against (2000 Ravens allowed 11.5 for the season as a point of reference) Only 1 passing TD allowed 25 sacks 14 INTs 5 defensive TD's, 2 Special Teams TD's (punt block ->6) < 14% 3rd down conversion The opponents (ranked by offensive YPG): Steelers (29th) (with Roethlisberger) - 3 points allowed Dolphins (31st) - 0 points allowed Jets (32nd) - 14 points allowed Bills (10th) - 10 points allowed Redskins (28th) - 7 points allowed Giants (24th) - 14 points allowed The opponents have been weak, but they can only play who is put in front of them and so far they have absolutely smothered the competition. It's going to be tough sledding no matter how you slice it here. Interestingly, we tied with the Giants for most points scored against them so far and that was with Falk at the helm. If we have a lot of offensive success against this team the sky is the limit. And given its over a short period of time, against some lame offenses, like ours with Falk comparing them to the 2000 Ravens is just about useless. 5 of the 6 games are pretty bad offenses. Yeah, you can only play who's in front of you but you also dont try to compare them to one of the best Ds of all time and the numbers they put together over 16 games Did we go through this already? I feel like deja vu, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: stephon gilmore is legit AF the mccourty's are smart but they are not the 85 bears The 85 bears wouldn't be the 85 bears in today's NFL - it was mostly before the WCO took over the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: The 85 bears wouldn't be the 85 bears in today's NFL - it was mostly before the WCO took over the league. this is true about the 46 defense but Gold Jacket types such as Hampton Dent Singletary would be accepted by any NFL team 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 It's the same group that held the rams to only 3 points in the SB..just they now have more depth at corner and LB No trey flowers as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, ghost_in_pads02 said: It's the same group that held the rams to only 3 points in the SB..just they now have more depth at corner and LB No trey flowers as well. That have certainly looked good. Monday is going to tell us quite a bit about both teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I think Pats are going to live off their defense, because their offense hasn't been all that great this year. I think Brady's finally starting to show his age. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 hold, hold, grab, hold, grapple, hold, hold, interfere, grapple, hold, grab, hold Their secondary holds more than their oline and that is saying soemthing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I thought they looked awesome until I saw who they beat— a bunch of scrub teams. They somehow always luck out with easy schedules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I expect it to be a real tough competitive game. I think monday night everyone gets to see who the jets were supposed to be before all the injuries... Brady and that offense gets tested and I won't be surprised they do get roughed up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I posted this on another thread - From what tape I've seen of Brady this year, I think he's on that Payton Manning-esque path of decline. On his deep throws, I saw him really need to step into them to get anything on them. As others have mentioned, taking Edelman out of the game is a big piece of an upset, because those may be the only type of throws he can still reliably serve up. Couple this with an inside rush to force Brady to move and throw without his feet set under him might reveal his declining skills and pocket quickness. On offense, we just need to execute better - run and pass. A better running attack also keeps Giselle off the field. That said, those god*amn refs better not baby his a$$, and actually call holding on his OL, and not throw flags for pansy roughing calls on the Jets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Pfft... get back to me when they gots the best safety tandem in the game. Go ahead ask their mascot, he knows. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, ghost_in_pads02 said: I expect it to be a real tough competitive game. I think monday night everyone gets to see who the jets were supposed to be before all the injuries... Brady and that offense gets tested and I won't be surprised if they don't get roughed up a bit. Technically mono isn’t an injury. More of a lifestyle plague. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 My big worry about this Monday is that our WRs won't be able to consistently beat man coverage. I think our best chance to win is an ugly, relatively low scoring game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, bitonti said: stephon gilmore is legit AF the mccourty's are smart but they are not the 85 bears Lion, Tigers, or Bears. 8 point average, oh my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: The opponents have been weak, but they can only play who is put in front of them and so far they have absolutely smothered the competition. It's going to be tough sledding no matter how you slice it here. Interestingly, we tied with the Giants for most points scored against them so far and that was with Falk at the helm. If we have a lot of offensive success against this team the sky is the limit. IT's a good defense but the offenses they've faced have been terrible. They have played the 3 worst and 6 of the worst 9. They havent played a single offense which could even call average. I suspect they will come down a lot in the rankings by year end By DVOA Steelers - 24 Phins - 32 Jets - 31 Bills - 26 Redskins - 30 GIants 25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Technically mono isn’t an injury. More of a lifestyle plague. Well you guys were missing Mosley and wasnt Crowder out for a few. He seems to be Darnold's favorite reciever.. And there's Herndon I hear alot about (I dont think u guys got him back yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Pfft... get back to me when they gots the best safety tandem in the game. Go ahead ask their mascot, he knows. I was reading on the chiefs message board that if the jets were to put anybody on the trading block that Adams Robby Anderson And Leonard Williams Were on their wish list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Crusher Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, ghost_in_pads02 said: I was reading on the chiefs message board that if the jets were to put anybody on the trading block that Adams Robby Anderson And Leonard Williams Were on their wish list. Robby is not going anywhere. More likely than not either is Adams. Has Willians left yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 27 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Technically mono isn’t an injury. More of a lifestyle plague. One that @Jetsfan80 has successfully avoided his entire life. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said: That would look good with a pair of boner pants. @JiF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Technically mono isn’t an injury. More of a lifestyle plague. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Robby is not going anywhere. More likely than not either is Adams. Has Willians left yet? Think the better question is....has he ever been here? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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