Bell refusing to take another HGH test

[Warfish]

Some people really should familiarize themselves with the idea of collective bargaining and unions.

And by some people, I mean Bell.

Enjoy your suspension, I guess?

A solid understanding of what random means might help some folks too.....

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Gonna miss that 3.0 ypc moving forward. Perhaps we can just Velcro the football to the corpse of Red Grange and pay it $15 million dollars per

Lev Bell....ANOTHER “Maccagnan”...checkmark, bahahahaha.

[CanadienJetsFan]

Why go public with this? Does he actually expect sympathy from us? 
Take it up with your players union.

 

[Larz]

Push comes to shove if he’s going to lose money over this he’ll do it 

they get a lot of benefits from the cba, They also agree to follow certain rules 

My understanding is that once you test positive the NFL can test you whenever they want to 

 

[Larz]

Oh man he’s getting roasted on Instagram lol

[Fantasy Island]

Just curious, has Tom Brady ever been tested for HGH?

[The Crusher]

3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

As a fan I can understand this position. However, this is business for the player. That's just the reality. Fans can talk about how they feel, but they cant deny it. Im not saying you dont have a point, but it's business and sometimes as a player you have to draw a line in the sand. Let them know what you're willing to accept and not accept. 

What about as an employee? 

[Warfish]

3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

As a fan I can understand this position. However, this is business for the player. That's just the reality. Fans can talk about how they feel, but they cant deny it. Im not saying you dont have a point, but it's business and sometimes as a player you have to draw a line in the sand. Let them know what you're willing to accept and not accept. 

Here is what he will accept:  Anything the CBA allows or mandates.

Here is what he will not accept:  Anything the CBA does not allow or mandate.

Welcome to collective bargaining and Union membership.  

Bell gets zero say, there are no individuals in collective bargaining, hence the "collective" part. 

Or he can refuse, and pay the price of that refusal till he stops refusing.

Pretty simple, really.  

[Villain The Foe]

5 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

What about as an employee? 

The employee has a gripe regarding these random tests that seem more constant than random. If the rest of the players in the league with no history of performance enhancement drugs are going through something similar, then he cant say that he's somehow being singled out. However, if this is something that is unusual and it's just him or maybe him and a few others, the man has a right to speak up for himself and take action if need be. 

It's business. 

The league will be fine. I seen guys like Megatron and Luck actually walk away from their contracts and the game entirely. 

[Jetster]

Has anyone from the league watched a Jet game this year? The burst Bell has shown you'd think he was getting a Sausage Pizza pumped directly into his veins. Meanwhile up in New England the little mighty might, Edelman gets quicker every year, his veins popping in every close up & their QB that's been playing for 20 years looks like he just turned 25 but what do we know? 

[NYJ1]

I don't blame him for not wanting to take another drug test. It must've felt like harassment on the NFL long before now if he's been treated 5 times in 10 weeks? That's only logical. In regards to his performance, Bell has been a great teammate. He's giving it his all, but the Jets f*cked him by not putting a capable OL in front of him. If you can't block, the results are not going to look as good. That's a fact. I hope Bell stocks around and doesn't get traded. He will be as big or bigger as a weapon if Jets management ever gets off their fat a$$es and puts a competent OL in front of him.

[Villain The Foe]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Here is what he will accept:  Anything the CBA allows or mandates.

Here is what he will not accept:  Anything the CBA does not allow or mandate.

Welcome to collective bargaining and Union membership.  

Bell gets zero say, there are no individuals in collective bargaining, hence the "collective" part. 

Or he can refuse, and pay the price of that refusal till he stops refusing.

Pretty simple, really.  

So he has more than zero to say if he really feels like it. 

 

But overall, you're correct. This is the business aspect, and if he's willing to pay the price for refusing to do something he doesnt see as purposeful then he has the right to refuse and pay the piper. 

Megatron left for health reasons and Detroit forced him to payback a portion of his salary. Some teams are like that. Other teams arent. Luck left the game and the Colts allowed him to keep the 32 million they paid him upfront. 

This is a situation lesser than those, and he's in a space where he can pay for refusal. 

[The Crusher]

7 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

The employee has a gripe regarding these random tests that seem more constant than random. If the rest of the players in the league with no history of performance enhancement drugs are going through something similar, then he cant say that he's somehow being singled out. However, if this is something that is unusual and it's just him or maybe him and a few others, the man has a right to speak up for himself and take action if need be. 

It's business. 

The league will be fine. I seen guys like Megatron and Luck actually walk away from their contracts and the game entirely. 

I think everyone think they are being singled out when it happens to them. Pretty sure it’s why there are support groups. 

[greenwichjetfan]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

A solid understanding of what random means might help some folks too.....

Agreed. Does anyone have the stats on frequency of testing? So far as we know, Bell has been tested 5 times in 10 weeks. This will make 6 in 17.

[Villain The Foe]

11 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

I think everyone think they are being singled out when it happens to them. Pretty sure it’s why there are support groups. 

Do you think that most of the league has taken 5 test over the past 10 weeks? 

Im not saying that this isnt possible, however, if this is something that is the norm, then why would Bell be pissy about something that's been the norm? He's been in the league for years. 

[The Crusher]

6 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Do you think that most of the league has taken 5 test over the past 10 weeks? 

Im not saying that this isnt possible, however, if this is something that is the norm, then why would Bell be pissy about something that's been the norm? He's been in the league for years. 

The league is a gigantic corrupt poorly run cabal. So anything is possible. 

[Jetster]

It's probably the 1st year he's NOT using HGH, and it's pissing him off that the league can't tell. Something tells me these guys know the guys using & those not. Guys just stay quiet about it. 

[Villain The Foe]

3 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

The league is a gigantic corrupt poorly run cabal. So anything is possible. 

You may be on to something. The Patriots are still out here taping opponent sidelines and giving the same excuses they had back in 2015. 😂

You know things are being ran poorly when cheaters are so comfortable in their deceit to not even try and cheat differently. 

 

[The Crusher]

1 minute ago, Villain The Foe said:

You may be on to something. The Patriots are still out here taping opponent sidelines and giving the same excuses they had back in 2015. 😂

You know things are being ran poorly when cheaters are so comfortable in their deceit to not even try and cheat differently. 

 

Yeah and Julian Edelman gets a four game suspension for peds and then wins the Super Bowl MVP juiced out of his mind. LOL

[CSNY]

The real issue I believe is that when you decide to take a job any job ( for example any law enforcement /  nursing or any of the hundreds of jobs that require testing ) that requires you to be tested for drugs you know that is part of the requirement to keep said job then you must abide by those rules that have been negotiated and agreed upon by Players Union and Management under the CBA. If you choose not to agree to the terms you may need to find a different profession. Now by the same token if Bell can prove that he is being unfairly singled out by having to submit to the maximum amount of tests then he may have a case. 

[New York Mick]

If he’s using HGH they should arrested his supplier for selling defective products. 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

So he has more than zero to say if he really feels like it. 

Absolutely!  Like anyone, he can break contracts.

He'd just have to accept the consequences if he does so.  

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

But overall, you're correct. This is the business aspect, and if he's willing to pay the price for refusing to do something he doesn't see as purposeful then he has the right to refuse and pay the piper.

Pay the piper here likely means "never play again in the NFL".  The league will never tolerate players refusing random drug testing, and despite all the tin foil hats amongst fans, that is all this is.  Bad luck on random rolls of the dice.

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

Megatron left for health reasons and Detroit forced him to payback a portion of his salary. Some teams are like that.

As they should be.  It's a Business.

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

Other teams arent. Luck left the game and the Colts allowed him to keep the 32 million they paid him upfront.

Helps them in Luck ever comes back, they still own him.  Also, PR, I suppose. 

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

This is a situation lesser than those, and he's in a space where he can pay for refusal. 

Again, refusal here is likely a permanent ban from the league till he takes the test.

Unless you think the league will bend and basically allow players to judge opt out of drugs tests going forward.....

[FidelioJet]

If he’s being targeted it would be quite strange as he has shown massive regression.  Anyone thinking he’s even remotely on PED’s would be crazy.

 

[Jetster]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Absolutely!  Like anyone, he can break contracts.

He'd just have to accept the consequences if he does so.  

Pay the piper here likely means "never play again in the NFL".  The league will never tolerate players refusing random drug testing, and despite all the tin foil hats amongst fans, that is all this is.  Bad luck on random rolls of the dice.

As they should be.  It's a Business.

Helps them in Luck ever comes back, they still own him.  Also, PR, I suppose. 

Again, refusal here is likely a permanent ban from the league till he takes the test.

Unless you think the league will bend and basically allow players to judge opt out of drugs tests going forward.....

Might be the best thing for the Jets. If he's suspended for going against the CBA than how can the Jets not be in the right for not paying him & having that salary exempted from the Salary cap. 

What would you want, a 2nd or 3rd round stud RB with fresh legs who can actually get around the edge + Scherff/Thuney or Le'veon, I'm looking for a crease Bell? 

[flgreen]

5 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

And he's willing to give up a portion of that money and take a suspension .

Folks with that kind of money can afford to say no when things go too far. 

and when he comes back from that suspension, he'll either take the test, or get suspended again.  If he doesn'y give them the blood, he doesn't get any more money

[flgreen]

2 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

Just curious, has Tom Brady ever been tested for HGH?

Once a year on an announced date in TC.  just like every other player in the league.

If you fail one they can test you 6 times during the year according to the CBA.  He either gives them the blood, or he retires

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Absolutely!  Like anyone, he can break contracts.

If a contract says for example: "You must do this and if you do you'll pay 5 grand". If he pays the 5 grand then did he break the contract? 

No, he didnt. He simply accepted the penalty that the contract states.

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He'd just have to accept the consequences if he does so.  

Which is based on his contract. 

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Pay the piper here likely means "never play again in the NFL".  The league will never tolerate players refusing random drug testing, and despite all the tin foil hats amongst fans, that is all this is.  Bad luck on random rolls of the dice.

This is highly speculative at best, as Bell isnt refusing random drug tests, he's refusing a drug test every other week with no real justification for such testing. 

 

Instead of commenting on everything  you said, the bottomline is that he's not breaking a contract if he's willing to deal with the penalties issued in the contract. If those penalties must be paid from funds already paid to him, and he refuses, then THAT would be breaking a contract. However, if he's simply forfeiting future monies that the NFL will garnish to pay for these penalties, then that's contractually accurate. 

 

 

[Villain The Foe]

1 hour ago, flgreen said:

and when he comes back from that suspension, he'll either take the test, or get suspended again.  If he doesn'y give them the blood, he doesn't get any more money

Then he'll take the test when he gets back. And if he decides that he's not giving any blood, then he'll save his body the future injury and retire with a few million. 

It's business. He made a decision and the NFL stopped paying and moved on. 

[mrcoops]

Just a thought: if he gets suspended for refusing a test, isn't there a strong chance that this would forfeit any remaining guarantees?

[Villain The Foe]

6 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

Just a thought: if he gets suspended for refusing a test, isn't there a strong chance that this would forfeit any remaining guarantees?

If that's part of the contract. 

[flgreen]

7 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Then he'll take the test when he gets back. And if he decides that he's not giving any blood, then he'll save his body the future injury and retire with a few million. 

It's business. He made a decision and the NFL stopped paying and moved on. 

Your right about one thing, It's business.  This guy ain't leaving $20M on the table.  It's business.

If he blows them off, and takes the test when he returns from his min., probably more, 4 game suspension, he'll be throwing 4 game checks away.

That wouldn't business, that would be VERY STUPID.

[flgreen]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

If that's part of the contract. 

A guy with two prior drug suspensions?  I would think it would be very stupid to not include that in the contract...........................................Never mind. 

[mrcoops]

2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

If that's part of the contract. 

Given his suspension history, the Jets should have insisted on such a clause. If they are smart, that is.

[Villain The Foe]

1 minute ago, flgreen said:

Your right about one thing, It's business.  This guy ain't leaving $20M on the table.  It's business.

If he blows them off, and takes the test when he returns from his min., probably more, 4 game suspension, he'll be throwing 4 game checks away.

That wouldn't business, that would be VERY STUPID.

That's only stupid to folks who arent in his shoes, have his current bank account and arent in any of these contractual agreements. 

If he decided to walk away today he's walking away with a minimum of 10 million dollars. 

 

I think if he walked away and saved his body from the brutality, and have 10+ million in the bank then he's not in a bad situation at all. 

 

[Villain The Foe]

3 minutes ago, flgreen said:

A guy with two prior drug suspensions?  I would think it would be very stupid to not include that in the contract...........................................Never mind. 

I dont understand this, but you know...it doesnt really matter. It's business. That's what it is.