Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, Wonderboy said: Last I heard Evans is a really good WR. And now Robbie will be signing with Bucs. No brainer. He’s from Florida and gets his dream come true. Yes. He's a really good WR who requires a QB who can throw 10+ yards past the LOS. Evans requires that too. Brady physically cannot do that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, King P said: This is all wrong. Their defense was ranked 15th overall, and that's only because they were #1 against defending the run. They were ranked 30th in against the pass, and 29th in ppg allowed. FAR from excellent no matter how you slice it. Very good running game? Seriously? Except for the last game of the season, Ronald Jones was horrible. And Peyton Barber was even worse. And their O-Line was terrible. They were ranked 22nd overall. They also allowed 106 QB hits (4th most in the league) and 47 sacks (5th most in the league). The fact that you're putting all of that on Winston shows how misinformed you are, and I highly doubt you've watched many TB games I live in AZ and had 6 live feeds of the Bucs this year. I wouldn't characterize your opinion as misinformed. It has no basis in anything tangibly related to reality. https://primetimesportstalk.com/2019/12/31/tampa-bay-buccaneers-finish-with-top-5-defense/ Quote One thing that was visibly consistent throughout the year though was the team’s stellar run defense. It was obvious from the start with stingy performances against the likes of Christian McCaffery, Saquon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, and Todd Gurley. The Buccaneers finished the year as the top-rated run defense both by standard counting stats (73.8 rushing yards per game allowed) and analytics (-30.6% defense-adjusted value over average, or DVOA). DVOA measures a unit or player’s performance on a play-by-play basis and judges them against league averages. So, on a down-by-down basis, Tampa Bay was 30.6 percent better than the league average. The numbers, analytics, and eye test all matched. However, passing defense and overall defense are where the raw numbers, analytics, and eye tests start to diverge. While Tampa Bay was 15th (343.9) in total yards per game allowed and 29th (28.1) points allowed, they came in at a whopping fifth in total defensive DVOA. Even crazier? When adjusted for the strength of the opponent, they move up to third. How can this be? How can one unit be both top five in DVOA but bottom five in points allowed? The answer, as many have likely already guessed, was turnovers. The Buccaneers’ offense committed a league-leading 41 turnovers in 2019, averaging a staggering 2.6 giveaways per game. On the season, the Buccaneers were tied for seventh in both yards per play allowed (5.1) and sacks (47) and came in fifth in takeaways (28). They were also 11th in Football Outsiders‘ Defensive Drive Success Rate (dDSR) at 69.1 percent. In other words, Tampa Bay’s defense forced teams off of the field without a first down or touchdown in 30.9 percent of all down series. The problem was that they were simply on the field too much. They finished the season with 1,079 plays from scrimmage, good for fourth-most in the NFL. This is despite also being top five in third-down conversion rate allowed (34 percent, fifth overall) and eighth in yards allowed per drive (29.90). It wasn’t that they couldn’t get off of the field, but it was how often they were constantly dragged back onto it. The improvements engineered by defensive coordinator Todd Bowles and his staff were actually quite significant once you look deeper into the numbers. In 2018, the Buccaneers were 31st (6.1) in yards per play allowed, 19th in sacks (38), and 22nd in takeaways (17). They finished dead last in defensive DVOA both in 2018 and 2017 including 31st and 30th finishes in pass defense and 19th and 31st against the run. This season? They were 12th against the pass and first against the run by a wide margin. The fact that this was done largely with rookies (Sean Murphy-Bunting, Jamel Dean, and Mike Edwards) and players that played under the previous regime (Jordan Whitehead, Carlton Davis, and Andrew Adams) patrolling the secondary makes it even more remarkable. It’s no wonder Todd Bowles has been mentioned as a hot candidate for head coaching vacancies this offseason. A team looking for an experienced candidate and a quick turnaround on defense will likely have him on their radar and for good reason. As for the defensive personnel, the team is poised to return several starters including key components Vita Vea and Devin White, along with five of the seven defensive backs that led the team in snaps played in 2019. The losses include Vernon Hargreaves III and, potentially, Andrew Adams. The team also intends to extend Lavonte David, who recently was elected to the NFL All-Decade team. They reportedly consider him to be a critical element of the team’s current and future success. It’s a fair bet most of the key players from this year’s defense will return in 2020. The question will be if they get an offense that can stop shooting itself in the foot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes. He's a really good WR who requires a QB who can throw 10+ yards past the LOS. Evans requires that too. Brady physically cannot do that. Cmon man really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Wonderboy said: Cmon man really Yes, really. Have you watched him play lately? His 43-year old arm is weaker than Pennington's. His deep throws look like wounded ducks. You cmon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Cmon man really 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, really. Have you watched him play lately? His 43-year old arm is weaker than Pennington's. His deep throws look like wounded ducks. You cmon. Quote 7.6 yards Brady's average attempt travels 7.6 yards downfield, which ranks 24th in the NFL. His average completion travels just 5.6 yards, which ranks 23rd. And its only going to get worse next year, when he's another year older. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 7.6 yards Brady's average attempt travels 7.6 yards downfield, which ranks 24th in the NFL. His average completion travels just 5.6 yards, which ranks 23rd. Juxtapose that with Jameis Winston, whose average pass went 10.5 yards (# 2 in the league) and his average completed air yards was 8.2 (also # 2 in the league). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, really. Have you watched him play lately? His 43-year old arm is weaker than Pennington's. His deep throws look like wounded ducks. You cmon. I know you hate the guy but cmon lol ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Wonderboy said: I know you hate the guy but cmon lol ? OK now you're just being obtuse. The numbers back me up dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Doesn’t Arians like to chuck the ball around and throw downfield? TB seems like a bad fit for that at this point of his career. Brady isn’t better than a post 2013 Carson Palmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 30 INTs tends to force you to defense some short fields. They never gave up more than 40, which they did twice. A win against the Rams and an OT loss to the Seahawks. They scored more than they gave up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, #27TheDominator said: 30 INTs tends to force you to defense some short fields That and Todd Bowles totally sucks or so I heard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, TeddEY said: They need to bring those back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: This is from the 2018 season, not 2019. It got even worse in 2019: 7.6 yards Brady's average attempt travels 7.6 yards downfield, which ranks 24th in the NFL. His average completion travels just 5.6 yards, which ranks 23rd. 2019 was even worse. In fairness to Brady when Josh Gordon was in the lineup he averaged about what he has in his career at 16.6. 14.4 last year. The Pats have really done a crappy job of putting good WR talent around him the last 2 years. I love Harry's potential but he wasn't healthy and he really never got it going last year. He's arm looks okay to me. He did seem at times like an old boxer who just couldn't pull the trigger as fast as he did in the past. When you age your response time drops. It's very small but at the NFL level very small is the difference between King Kong and Zippy the Chimp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, Beerfish said: lol Bellichik was happy to see a shot Qb leave. Brady pretending he has power. Let's face it, Belichick wanted to keep Garapolo and trade Brady 2 years ago. He wants to show he can win without Brady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I'm almost disappointed he went to Tampa. Would've been more interesting to see him go to Tennessee. The Bucs don't play the Pats next year, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, sec101row23 said: Doesn’t Arians like to chuck the ball around and throw downfield? TB seems like a bad fit for that at this point of his career. Ariens likes to do what his players are good at. He is an excellent coach. If Brady signs there, Ariens will design the offense for what Brady does best. Lots of precision timing routs and not much outside the numbers or past 40 yards. There is no jamming a square peg in a round hole down in Tampa. No Adam Gase down there... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 33 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: OK now you're just being obtuse. The numbers back me up dude. Obtuse? Don’t get all prickly with me. What’s that mean anyways ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, THE BARON said: Ariens likes to do what his players are good at. He is an excellent coach. If Brady signs there, Ariens will design the offense for what Brady does best. Lots of precision timing routs and not much outside the numbers or past 40 yards. There is no jamming a square peg in a round hole down in Tampa. No Adam Gase down there... Please send this post to Jetsfan80. He’s being obtuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Wonderboy said: TB will sign with Bucs per close source. Brady was apparently disgusted that Hopkins and Diggs were traded to other teams and Pats have not addressed the WR position thus far so he’s outta here. Wow if true. Colin Cowherd: "I was told 35 minutes ago that Tom Brady signs tomorrow with Tampa Bay. He had made a decision and talked to Tampa Bay yesterday. He was willing to re-sign with New England but he watched Stefon Diggs and DeAndre Hopkins go to other franchises and then called Robert Kraft an hour and a half later and says ‘I’M OUT’… I am told Tampa is the choice and he will sign tomorrow... This is not a 'football source', it is a ‘Icon source', and somebody in Tom’s stratosphere that knows Tom, and who is a famous person. He says Tampa." How to become irrelevant in the NFL by: T.Brady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Obtuse? Don’t get all prickly with me. What’s that mean anyways ? Deliberately and stubbornly denying something that is patently true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Deliberately and stubbornly denying something that is patently true. Yea I’m obtusing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said: How does 25 less picks factor into that? Let me put it another way. The Bucs won't be any better with Brady than they were with Winston. In fact, they may be worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 This is a horrible fit. Brady is not an Arians kind of QB anymore. Arians likes to throw a lot and Brady's arm is shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 For years we got cool, near pathological Tom Brady whose obsession with winning turned him into a human Dasani water bottle. Now Brady's going to try to put on some flips flops and wear some jorts in the sun... but all the water has been bought up during a crisis. Checkmate Tom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Yea I’m obtusing It's fun, isn't it? Just ignoring data because math is gay? Lot's of people here do that and it seems like they're having fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: It's fun, isn't it? Just ignoring data because math is gay? Lot's of people here do that and it seems like they're having fun. Hey I got a B+ in calculus ....so there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Just now, Wonderboy said: Hey I got a B+ in calculus ....so there Your math teachers are so disappointed you aren't translating that into real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Your math teachers are so disappointed you aren't translating that into real life. 80 squared luv ya dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Could you imagine if Tom Brady's last ever game in the NFL is in one of those creamsicle jerseys?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Biggs said: Nope other way around. Winston was horrendous. Brady will have a blast. The Bucs had WR wide open on almost every play. Chris Goodwin is and Evans are both beasts. yeah, just anyone can throw to those WRs. Open all day long. 5K, 30 tds were easy. Brady might get 6K and 50 tds Im not seeing that good D either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, King P said: Not a good sign for the Chargers if Tampa Bay offers a better chance to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, johnnysd said: Let's face it, Belichick wanted to keep Garapolo and trade Brady 2 years ago. He wants to show he can win without Brady He can’t unless Trevor Lawrence falls in his lap in ‘21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Juxtapose that with Jameis Winston, whose average pass went 10.5 yards (# 2 in the league) and his average completed air yards was 8.2 (also # 2 in the league). please dont compare the 2 of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 For all the people who think Brady is done wait til he throws to Mike Evans, Godwin and OJ Howard next year with Arians playcalling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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