T0mShane Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Matt Miller article citing a few personnel guys talking about the 2018 draft, wherein those nameless personnel guys say that “of course we knew Darnold and Baker would suck.” Nonetheless, guess who Chris Johnson preferred? https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2909216-nfl-insiders-on-baker-mayfield-sam-darnolds-struggles-as-seats-get-hotter.amp.html “The Jets, fearing the Browns would select their top-ranked quarterback, had focused on UCLA's Rosen in the lead-up to the draft. But one former member of the front office said the organization was split at the time. "Darnold was our guy," he said, "but there were a lot of people in the building who liked Baker because of his leadership skills and athleticism. And of course the owner wanted Rosen, so we were really divided, but it came down to what the GM and head coach wanted, and that would have been Darnold, then Rosen." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TMAC Posted September 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2020 This does not surprise me at all. When Woody left to work his magic in the United Kingdom, I was hopeful. Once again reminded that things can always get worse. As long as the Johnsons own this franchise, this organization will stink. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 To be fair to CJ all three don’t look good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lupz27 Posted September 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2020 Joe Douglas needs to be put in charge here. No more HC reports to Owner, **** that make his ass report to Joe D. I think we all have been waiting for that next Parcells guy to come in here wipe all the stank away, and shut the negative noise up. I think Joe D can be that guy IF he is the boss from his position down, none of this HC GM finger pointing dance to undermine Joe. Stop being clowns pick a leader of your franchise, and allow him to do just that. 8 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Joe Douglas needs to be put in charge here. No more HC reports to Owner, **** that make his ass report to Joe D. I think we all have been waiting for that next Parcells guy to come in here wipe all the stank away, and shut the negative noise up. I think Joe D can be that guy IF he is the boss from his position down, none of this HC GM finger pointing dance to undermine Joe. Stop being clowns pick a leader of your franchise, and allow him to do just that. Good luck. Woody has been de facto GM for the past 10 years. That’s why we traded for his hero Tim Tebow, passed on Wilson, and didn’t sign a CB in 2014 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted September 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2020 This is like those articles saying Maccagnan never seriously considered taking a QB in the 2017 draft, with the exception of...Trubisky. Even the alternate-universe Jets are a sh*tshow. 3 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I too wanted Rosen and I was completely against drafting Josh Allen. However I wanted Deshaun Watson and was extremely upset when Mac passed on him. We probably would have ruined him anyways and he'd be on the Geno Smith career trajectory. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted September 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2020 Just once I'd like to hear something smart from the owners like they wanted Lamar Jackson or whatever Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app 2 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Personally, I wanted Darnold or Mayfield, and was worried that we might get neither. Wasn't a fan of Rosen at all, and was scared to death of Josh Allen though intrigued by his incredible arm and mobility. I didn't see us as the right team to develop him. I was also very intrigued by Lamar Jackson, but I knew we were never going to pick a "running" QB with our top pick. So my preference was always Darnold, but I thought Mayfield was the more realistic pick as I assumed Sam would be gone. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I dont believe for a second any behind the scenes nameless personnel people thought Sam Darnold would "suck". He was the consensus number 1 across the entire spectrum of NFL analysts and coaches. These are purely people in scouting departments trying to distance themselves from their own bad analysis, so they can justify getting more jobs when they inevitably get fired. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I thought we were getting Mayfield with that pick, and I definitely wanted him over Allen. Oh well, looks like that whole draft class isn't going to produce a star other than LJ who snuck in at the end of the first round. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, bitonti said: Just once I'd like to hear something smart from the owners like they wanted Lamar Jackson or whatever Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Llamar jackson would have been the biggest bust here ever. No way would we have hired anyone to craft that offense around him. Todd bowles and jeremy bates would have had him dropping back like 30 times a game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 No Pac-12 QB's ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, JTJet said: I dont believe for a second any behind the scenes nameless personnel people thought Sam Darnold would "suck". He was the consensus number 1 across the entire spectrum of NFL analysts and coaches. These are purely people in scouting departments trying to distance themselves from their own bad analysis, so they can justify getting more jobs when they inevitably get fired. I mean... It's not crazy: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/qbase-2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, bitonti said: Just once I'd like to hear something smart from the owners like they wanted Lamar Jackson or whatever Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app I’d like to never hear from the owners again 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, TeddEY said: I mean... It's not crazy: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/qbase-2018 This is where QBase had Mayfield ranked compared to star QBs lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Consensus number ones actually go number oneSam was number one like a year before he was eligible by the time he was drafted he was nitpicked to 3 overall.The reasons why Sam fell from 1 to 3 are the same reasons why he sux today. The jets didn't ruin this player. He was always overrated I dont believe for a second any behind the scenes nameless personnel people thought Sam Darnold would "suck". He was the consensus number 1 across the entire spectrum of NFL analysts and coaches. These are purely people in scouting departments trying to distance themselves from their own bad analysis, so they can justify getting more jobs when they inevitably get fired. Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: I too wanted Rosen and I was completely against drafting Josh Allen. However I wanted Deshaun Watson and was extremely upset when Mac passed on him. We probably would have ruined him anyways and he'd be on the Geno Smith career trajectory. I was split on Darnold and Rosen, I leaned Rosen because I liked his technique better. I was totally fine with us selecting Darnold watching the draft However, I wanted Mahomes at 6... i also would have taken Watson had Mahomes been drafted ahead of us. and yes I agree we wouldn't have done either of them any favors as we are proving with Sam. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Consensus number ones actually go number one Sam was number one like a year before he was eligible by the time he was drafted he was nitpicked to 3 overall. The reasons why Sam fell from 1 to 3 are the same reasons why he sux today. The jets didn't ruin this player. He was always overrated Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app If Darnold doesnt play on New Years Day with everyone in the northeast watching no one would have considered him a top 5 pick. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, TMAC said: This does not surprise me at all. When Woody left to work his magic in the United Kingdom, I was hopeful. Once again reminded that things can always get worse. As long as the Johnsons own this franchise, this organization will stink. Come on. There were a lot of people here who wanted Rosen leading up to the draft. The guy almost nobody wanted was Jackson. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Matt Miller article citing a few personnel guys talking about the 2018 draft, wherein those nameless personnel guys say that “of course we knew Darnold and Baker would suck.” Nonetheless, guess who Chris Johnson preferred? https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2909216-nfl-insiders-on-baker-mayfield-sam-darnolds-struggles-as-seats-get-hotter.amp.html “The Jets, fearing the Browns would select their top-ranked quarterback, had focused on UCLA's Rosen in the lead-up to the draft. But one former member of the front office said the organization was split at the time. "Darnold was our guy," he said, "but there were a lot of people in the building who liked Baker because of his leadership skills and athleticism. And of course the owner wanted Rosen, so we were really divided, but it came down to what the GM and head coach wanted, and that would have been Darnold, then Rosen." CJ is such an alpha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, JTJet said: This is where QBase had Mayfield ranked compared to star QBs lol The fact that it is imperfect does not eliminate or even reduce it's utility. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Matt39 said: If Darnold doesnt play on New Years Day with everyone in the northeast watching no one would have considered him a top 5 pick. I think this is very true. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, TeddEY said: I mean... It's not crazy: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/qbase-2018 every single person who lives said sam was #1..... jesus , take yoiur meds. 51.9% BUST 4% elite oopah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, bitonti said: Consensus number ones actually go number one Sam was number one like a year before he was eligible by the time he was drafted he was nitpicked to 3 overall. The reasons why Sam fell from 1 to 3 are the same reasons why he sux today. The jets didn't ruin this player. He was always overrated Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app It was also because Dorsey and Gettleman are old and insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said: Llamar jackson would have been the biggest bust here ever. No way would we have hired anyone to craft that offense around him. Todd bowles and jeremy bates would have had him dropping back like 30 times a game. chicken or egg? they didnt pick him cos they didnt see "it" you dont see "it" you dont know how to play him... its a mobius loop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, TeddEY said: The fact that it is imperfect does not eliminate or even reduce it's utility. Imperfect is a vast understatement when it ranks Mayfield above any of those guys... even Byron Leftwich lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Everyone knew the Macc would take Rosen over Josh Allen. Josh Allen on paper seemed way to similar to Hack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, JTJet said: Imperfect is a vast understatement when it ranks Mayfield above any of those guys... even Byron Leftwich lol. It's not really meant to be a ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Matt39 said: If Darnold doesnt play on New Years Day with everyone in the northeast watching no one would have considered him a top 5 pick. This is the exact argument I had during that process regarding wait for 18 vs. taking the 17 QB's. Everyone fell in love with Darnold and I legit remember saying, "this is all way too eerily familiar to another USC QB who was drafted because of his Rose Bowl performance". Oh well, this franchise is a sh*t show from top to bottom. We're all just suckers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, JiF said: This is the exact argument I had during that process regarding wait for 18 vs. taking the 17 QB's. Everyone fell in love with Darnold and I legit remember saying, "this is all way too eerily familiar to another USC QB who was drafted because of his Rose Bowl performance". Oh well, this franchise is a sh*t show from top to bottom. We're all just suckers. Kinda funny that Barkley went to the Giants too. Both kind of were overrated after that game. Great game, just never trust the northeast pro fans when evaluating talent in the Rose Bowl lol. Francesa was especially the worst after that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I find the whole draft class interesting. Darnold may have been the consensus #1, but it was far from unanimous. It is obvious that McCloughan had Mayfield higher, and a bunch of other guys did too. There was a bunch of chatter about his arm at one of the QB camps before his final year. I can't remember names, but they were guys we have heard of and they were saying he should be ahead of Allen, Darnold and Rosen before his Heisman year. There was the Shronka, former NFL scout at ourlads, that correctly stated that Darnold's footwork as a mess and described him as a "cow on ice." Everybody didn't love Darnold. Everybody sh*ts on Allen, but IMO he was the guy that people expected to go #1 overall. He was consistently compared to Wentz and had the same coaches who said he was better. The issue was his accuracy did not take the expected leap so people were wildly split on him. The Bills obviously loved him, though they were rumored to like Barkley even better. Allen was going to have a pretty wide split of guys that loved him and guys that were afraid to go near him. Boom/bust. Rosen seemed to be the most pro ready. A top guy for a long time, but he had a rough year and the more you looked, the less you liked. Seemed douche-y and entitled and I don't think anybody liked him. His game wasn't good enough to deal with all that. Had some arm injuries IIRC and not a cannon that puts guys like Stafford at #1. Jackson was a guy that everybody was interested in, but nobody wanted to pick him that high because you had to tailor so much to him. I find it interesting that a solid team with a decent QB rolled the dice on him and were willing to change things up. Meanwhile, teams that were going 3-13, 5-11 or 0-16, were going to stay away because they were afraid Jackson wouldn't fit their "system." Those systems worked so great, eh? Hue Jackson was supposed to be this QB whisperer that was going to develop Mayfield. Did he even last half the season? The two running QBs that were supposed to be coach killers are the only two that are still where they were drafted with the same coaching staff. Did anybody see that coming? 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Just once I'd like to hear something smart from the owners like they wanted Lamar Jackson or whatever Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app We had a trade up in place to land Favre. I was banging the table for Russell Wilson. That made you feel better? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMAC Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I agree that Rosen seemed to be a desirable pick and I might have taken him over Josh Allen but not Darnold or Mayfield. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Just once I'd like to hear something smart from the owners like they wanted Lamar Jackson or whatever Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Terry Bradway banged the table for Russel Wilson Edit: Dom beat me to it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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