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Matt Miller article citing a few personnel guys talking about the 2018 draft, wherein those nameless personnel guys say that “of course we knew Darnold and Baker would suck.” Nonetheless, guess who Chris Johnson preferred?


https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2909216-nfl-insiders-on-baker-mayfield-sam-darnolds-struggles-as-seats-get-hotter.amp.html

 

“The Jets, fearing the Browns would select their top-ranked quarterback, had focused on UCLA's Rosen in the lead-up to the draft. But one former member of the front office said the organization was split at the time.

"Darnold was our guy," he said, "but there were a lot of people in the building who liked Baker because of his leadership skills and athleticism. And of course the owner wanted Rosen, so we were really divided, but it came down to what the GM and head coach wanted, and that would have been Darnold, then Rosen."

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2 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Joe Douglas needs to be put in charge here.  No more HC reports to Owner, **** that make his ass report to Joe D.

I think we all have been waiting for that next Parcells guy to come in here wipe all the stank away, and shut the negative noise up.

I think Joe D can be that guy IF he is the boss from his position down, none of this HC GM finger pointing dance to undermine Joe.

Stop being clowns pick a leader of your franchise, and allow him to do just that.

Good luck.  Woody has been de facto GM for the past 10 years.  That’s why we traded for his hero Tim Tebow, passed on Wilson, and didn’t sign a CB in 2014

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I too wanted Rosen and I was completely against drafting Josh Allen.

However

I wanted Deshaun Watson and was extremely upset when Mac passed on him. We probably would have ruined him anyways and he'd be on the Geno Smith career trajectory.

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Personally, I wanted Darnold or Mayfield, and was worried that we might get neither.

Wasn't a fan of Rosen at all, and was scared to death of Josh Allen though intrigued by his incredible arm and mobility. I didn't see us as the right team to develop him.

I was also very intrigued by Lamar Jackson, but I knew we were never going to pick a "running" QB with our top pick.

So my preference was always Darnold, but I thought Mayfield was the more realistic pick as I assumed Sam would be gone.

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I thought we were getting Mayfield with that pick, and I definitely wanted him over Allen. Oh well, looks like that whole draft class isn't going to produce a star other than LJ who snuck in at the end of the first round.

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14 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Just once I'd like to hear something smart from the owners like they wanted Lamar Jackson or whatever

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Llamar jackson would have been the biggest bust here ever.  No way would we have hired anyone to craft that offense around him.  Todd bowles and jeremy bates would have had him dropping back like 30 times a game. 

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4 minutes ago, JTJet said:

I dont believe for a second any behind the scenes nameless personnel people thought Sam Darnold would "suck". 

He was the consensus number 1 across the entire spectrum of NFL analysts and coaches. 

These are purely people in scouting departments trying to distance themselves from their own bad analysis, so they can justify getting more jobs when they inevitably get fired. 

I mean... It's not crazy:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/qbase-2018

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Consensus number ones actually go number one

Sam was number one like a year before he was eligible by the time he was drafted he was nitpicked to 3 overall.

The reasons why Sam fell from 1 to 3 are the same reasons why he sux today. The jets didn't ruin this player. He was always overrated

I dont believe for a second any behind the scenes nameless personnel people thought Sam Darnold would "suck". 
He was the consensus number 1 across the entire spectrum of NFL analysts and coaches. 
These are purely people in scouting departments trying to distance themselves from their own bad analysis, so they can justify getting more jobs when they inevitably get fired. 


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29 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I too wanted Rosen and I was completely against drafting Josh Allen.

However

I wanted Deshaun Watson and was extremely upset when Mac passed on him. We probably would have ruined him anyways and he'd be on the Geno Smith career trajectory.

I was split on Darnold and Rosen, I leaned Rosen because I liked his technique better. I was totally fine with us selecting Darnold watching the draft

However, 

I wanted Mahomes at 6... i also would have taken Watson had Mahomes been drafted ahead of us. and yes I agree we wouldn't have done either of them any favors as we are proving with Sam.

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2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Consensus number ones actually go number one

Sam was number one like a year before he was eligible by the time he was drafted he was nitpicked to 3 overall.

The reasons why Sam fell from 1 to 3 are the same reasons why he sux today. The jets didn't ruin this player. He was always overrated

 


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If Darnold doesnt play on New Years Day with everyone in the northeast watching no one would have considered him a top 5 pick.

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49 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Matt Miller article citing a few personnel guys talking about the 2018 draft, wherein those nameless personnel guys say that “of course we knew Darnold and Baker would suck.” Nonetheless, guess who Chris Johnson preferred?


https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2909216-nfl-insiders-on-baker-mayfield-sam-darnolds-struggles-as-seats-get-hotter.amp.html

 

“The Jets, fearing the Browns would select their top-ranked quarterback, had focused on UCLA's Rosen in the lead-up to the draft. But one former member of the front office said the organization was split at the time.

"Darnold was our guy," he said, "but there were a lot of people in the building who liked Baker because of his leadership skills and athleticism. And of course the owner wanted Rosen, so we were really divided, but it came down to what the GM and head coach wanted, and that would have been Darnold, then Rosen."

CJ is such an alpha!

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13 minutes ago, JTJet said:

This is where QBase had Mayfield ranked compared to star QBs lol1403305510_Screenshot_20200918-093630_SamsungInternet.thumb.jpg.361ae71d8f68de8b11a65d0a91e13e37.jpg

The fact that it is imperfect does not eliminate or even reduce it's utility.

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8 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

If Darnold doesnt play on New Years Day with everyone in the northeast watching no one would have considered him a top 5 pick.

I think this is very true.

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19 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Consensus number ones actually go number one

Sam was number one like a year before he was eligible by the time he was drafted he was nitpicked to 3 overall.

The reasons why Sam fell from 1 to 3 are the same reasons why he sux today. The jets didn't ruin this player. He was always overrated

 


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It was also because Dorsey and Gettleman are old and insane.

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30 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

Llamar jackson would have been the biggest bust here ever.  No way would we have hired anyone to craft that offense around him.  Todd bowles and jeremy bates would have had him dropping back like 30 times a game. 

chicken or egg? they didnt pick him cos they didnt see "it"                  you dont see "it" you dont know how to play him...

its a mobius loop

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8 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

The fact that it is imperfect does not eliminate or even reduce it's utility.

Imperfect is a vast understatement when it ranks Mayfield above any of those guys... even Byron Leftwich lol. 

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Everyone knew the Macc would take Rosen over Josh Allen. Josh Allen on paper seemed way to similar to Hack.

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4 minutes ago, JTJet said:

Imperfect is a vast understatement when it ranks Mayfield above any of those guys... even Byron Leftwich lol. 

It's not really meant to be a ranking.

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21 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

If Darnold doesnt play on New Years Day with everyone in the northeast watching no one would have considered him a top 5 pick.

This is the exact argument I had during that process regarding wait for 18 vs. taking the 17 QB's.  Everyone fell in love with Darnold and I legit remember saying, "this is all way too eerily familiar to another USC QB who was drafted because of his Rose Bowl performance". 

Oh well, this franchise is a sh*t show from top to bottom.  We're all just suckers. 

 

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9 minutes ago, JiF said:

This is the exact argument I had during that process regarding wait for 18 vs. taking the 17 QB's.  Everyone fell in love with Darnold and I legit remember saying, "this is all way too eerily familiar to another USC QB who was drafted because of his Rose Bowl performance". 

Oh well, this franchise is a sh*t show from top to bottom.  We're all just suckers. 

 

Kinda funny that Barkley went to the Giants too. Both kind of were overrated after that game. Great game, just never trust the northeast pro fans when evaluating talent in the Rose Bowl lol. Francesa was especially the worst after that game.

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1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Just once I'd like to hear something smart from the owners like they wanted Lamar Jackson or whatever

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We had a trade up in place to land Favre.

I was banging the table for Russell Wilson.

That made you feel better?

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I agree that Rosen seemed to be a desirable pick and I might have taken him over Josh Allen but not Darnold or Mayfield.

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1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Just once I'd like to hear something smart from the owners like they wanted Lamar Jackson or whatever

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Terry Bradway banged the table for Russel Wilson

Edit: Dom beat me to it

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