Jim Harbaugh possibly interested in Jets?

[Defense Wins Championships]

2 hours ago, JTJet said:

Harbaugh is "just" a familiar name? This comment shows you know absolutely nothing about what he has done. Way to go, you singled out a bad winning percentage at just one of his coaching stops, and a selective winning percentage at that, while ignoring all the factors you know fully well exist in the college ranks in regards to recruiting, competition, and school location. 

The guy has had two losing seasons in his entire coaching career. One of them a shortened Covid season that the Big10 botched, the other his first year at Stanford taking over a sh*t team. 

The 49ers teams he coached became elite because HE turned a bust QB and crappy Kaepernick into respectable QBs that elevated those Niner teams. 

He is directly credited with developing Smith, Kaep, Luck at Stanford. And credited with turning SF elite. Not surprisingly after he left SF, that "stacked" team immediately dissapeared. 

2007 5-11 (Nolan)

2008 7-9 (Nolan)

2009 8-8 (Singletary

2010 6-10 (Singletary) 

2011 13-3 (Harbaugh)

2012 11-4-1 (Harbaugh)

2013 12-4 (Harbaugh)

2014 8-8  (Harbaugh)

2015 5-11 (Tomsula) 

2016 2-14 (Kelly)

2017 6-10 (Shanahan) 

2018 4-12 (Shanahan)

Sooo let's see, the 4 years before AND after he was there between 4 different coaches, SF never had a winning season. The 4 years he WAS there, all they did was win. Guess that's just a bit of a coincidence. 

Yup. And you forgot to include all the All Pro and Pro Bowl players who performed A+ under him @ San Francisco. He was sending literally 7-9 players to the pro bowl each and every season. 

And why? Because his players play hard for him. 

[56mehl56]

2 hours ago, jetblue95 said:

 

stacked 49ers team?

the niners record in the years before harbaugh took over:

6-10, 8-8, 7-9, 5-11, 7-9, 4-12, 2-14, 7-9

you have to go back 8 years to mariucci's last season to find a winning record and playoff appearance.

harbaugh shows up and they go 13-3, 11-4-1, 12-4, making 3 straight nfl title games.

if you want to criticize his lack of success against o$u and other ranked teams at michigan, it's a fair criticism.  but let's not diminish how successful he was as an nfl head coach.  

Yes and what happens when teams are consistently bad and stock up draft picks , Do you remember Parcells with the Jets , same type of scenario, same type of burn the bridges arrogance. 

[Sonny Werblin]

4 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

The point is he and his staff control 100% who they select for their QB's from among the 50 states and beyond. If he was such a proficient QB developer , why hasn't Michigan had a great QB during his tenure. Its not like he's HC at Albany St, its Michigan , Sorry hard pass .

They did not have 100% control. They are not even in the same league of competing for recruits with teams like Alabama, Clemson, LSU and Ohio State. Even with Jim Harbaugh they are currently a less sexy destination for a high school kid than Notre Dame and Penn State, and if the kid is from the South, Michigan has a tough time competing with all of the major Texas Programs, Oklahoma, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, Auburn and now even North Carolina.

Perhaps Michigan is a great recruiting tool if the kid is from Michigan, or has family ties to the school, but it is no great advantage over other top schools. Especially when recruiting QBs.  Just look who they've had at QB with Harbaugh: Joe Milton, Cade McNamara, Shea Patterson, John O'Korn,, Brandon Peters,  Wilton Speight, and Jake Rudock. Which one had the tools to mold into a great QB? Only now with 5 star recruit JJ McCarthy committing to  Michigan would Harbaugh have the kind of talent needed to develop a QB. And as far as Michigan being a "recruiting" tool the fact that Ryan Mallet was the last 5 star QB to commit to Michigan speaks volumes as to top QBs desires to become Wolverines.

 

[56mehl56]

Just now, Sonny Werblin said:

They did not have 100% control. They are not even in the same league of competing for recruits with teams like Alabama, Clemson, LSU and Ohio State. Even with Jim Harbaugh they are currently a less sexy destination for a high school kid than Notre Dame and Penn State, and if the kid is from the South, Michigan has a tough time competing with all of the major Texas Programs, Oklahoma, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, Auburn and now even North Carolina.

Perhaps Michigan is a great recruiting tool if the kid is from Michigan, or has family ties to the school, but it is no great advantage over other top schools. Especially when recruiting QBs.  Just look who they've had at QB with Harbaugh: Joe Milton, Cade McNamara, Shea Patterson, John O'Korn,, Brandon Peters,  Wilton Speight, and Jake Rudock. Which one had the tools to mold into a great QB? Only now with 5 star recruit JJ McCarthy committing to  Michigan would Harbaugh have the kind of talent needed to develop a QB. And as far as Michigan being a "recruiting" tool the fact that Ryan Mallet was the last 5 star QB to commit to Michigan speaks volumes as to top QBs desires to become Wolverines.

 

And that's exactly my point if he was such a great QB whisperer why can't he convince top notch kids to play for him or why can't he elevate their play like Alex Smith and Kap , could it be a major factor is Greg Roman who's not there at Mich. Just like Wentz regressed in Philly when Reich took the Indy job, even though Pederson is the one hailed for his success.

[JTJet]

8 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

The 49ers parlayed years of losing to stock  up and build a stacked roster. Harbaugh was a benefactor of those bad seasons just like Parcells was the benefactor of the Jets poor seasons . And I'll ask the question again who was responsible for the QB turnaround , was it Harbaugh or was it Greg Roman , who is doing similar things with Lamar Jackson in Baltimore. 

Roman wouldnt exist if not for Harbaugh. 

No, Harbaugh wasnt a "benefactor" of a stacked roster, he was the reason they played well. 

The 2010 SF team had 2 Pro Bowlers (Willis, Smith) and went 6-10

Then Harbaugh joined the team. 

The 2011 SF team had 9 Pro Bowlers (Gore, Staley, Smith, Willis, Rodgers, Goldson, Lee, Akers, Jennings) and went 13-3 

All 9 of those players except Akers, were on the team before Harbaugh and NOT consistently Pro Bowl level, Harbaugh coached them and they magically started to win and receive all the accolade, and put them in positions to raise their games, which they weren't doing before he got there. 

This isnt rocket science.

(Also, by your reasoning Adam Gase should still be our coach because he clearly had the worst roster in the sport and thus he was the benefactor of their poor play) 

[JTJet]

26 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Yup. And you forgot to include all the All Pro and Pro Bowl players who performed A+ under him @ San Francisco. He was sending literally 7-9 players to the pro bowl each and every season. 

And why? Because his players play hard for him. 

Exactly this. 

[slimjasi]

17 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

They did not have 100% control. They are not even in the same league of competing for recruits with teams like Alabama, Clemson, LSU and Ohio State. Even with Jim Harbaugh they are currently a less sexy destination for a high school kid than Notre Dame and Penn State, and if the kid is from the South, Michigan has a tough time competing with all of the major Texas Programs, Oklahoma, Florida, FSU, Miami, Georgia, Auburn and now even North Carolina.

Perhaps Michigan is a great recruiting tool if the kid is from Michigan, or has family ties to the school, but it is no great advantage over other top schools. Especially when recruiting QBs.  Just look who they've had at QB with Harbaugh: Joe Milton, Cade McNamara, Shea Patterson, John O'Korn,, Brandon Peters,  Wilton Speight, and Jake Rudock. Which one had the tools to mold into a great QB? Only now with 5 star recruit JJ McCarthy committing to  Michigan would Harbaugh have the kind of talent needed to develop a QB. And as far as Michigan being a "recruiting" tool the fact that Ryan Mallet was the last 5 star QB to commit to Michigan speaks volumes as to top QBs desires to become Wolverines.

 

Yea, it seems like Michigan has taken a major backseat to the bigger programs since the 90s. 

[Sonny Werblin]

6 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

And that's exactly my point if he was such a great QB whisperer why can't he convince top notch kids to play for him or why can't he elevate their play like Alex Smith and Kap , could it be a major factor is Greg Roman who's not there at Mich. Just like Wentz regressed in Philly when Reich took the Indy job, even though Pederson is the one hailed for his success.

Convincing kids to play for you i.e. "Recruiting" has zero to do with developing QBs and/or coaching. Look at James Franklin. He is a top notch recruiter, but not much of a coach.

Smith and Kap despite shortcomings in comparison to top NFL QBs were talented enough to be NFL QBs which is a very high bar. Greg Roman was nowhere near the QB at Stanford where he coached TEs and OTs. Holding Roman to your Harbaugh standard, why didn't he develop Tyrod Taylor while OC in Buffalo for two seasons?

[jetblue95]

37 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Yes and what happens when teams are consistently bad and stock up draft picks , Do you remember Parcells with the Jets , same type of scenario, same type of burn the bridges arrogance. 

 

many bad teams remain bad.  see the jags, lions, browns (finally made the playoffs this year), and yes, the jets of late.  

so no, you cant just say he benefitted from prior draft picks.  look at the niners draft history in the few years before harbaugh joined.  not exactly a lot of home run picks

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/draft.htm

if you don't want harbaugh for the jets, that's fine.  but it is silly to play down the tremendous success he had as a head coach in the nfl.    .690 winning percentage for a franchise that hadn't made the playoffs or had a winning record in 8 years.  3 conference title games.  1 super bowl appearance.

heck, the jets have stunk for years and have loaded up with high draft picks.  i don't know about you, but i would sign up for making the afc title game in each of the next 3 years and 1 trip to the super bowl before harbaugh "burns his bridge"

[jetblue95]

47 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Yes and what happens when teams are consistently bad and stock up draft picks , Do you remember Parcells with the Jets , same type of scenario, same type of burn the bridges arrogance. 

 

so you don't want another parcells and don't want harbaugh.

who exactly do you want?

[56mehl56]

4 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

so you don't want another parcells and don't want harbaugh.

who exactly do you want?

My preference is Joe Brady paired with a proven former HC like a Spags/Lewis/Leslie Frazier/Lovie Smith. I doubt the Jets will be that progressive so I expect a Roman  Martindale kind of candidate who has ties to JD. 

[doitny]

if hes smart he doesnt come here.

he could take us to 2 AFCCC in 2 years and still get no love.

no wonder why we cant attract good coaches. why we only get first time HCs . 

the fans, media. we are too tough on coaches who even have success.

why come here and take that sh*t when he can go somewhere else that will treat him better.

[choon328]

1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said:

The point is he and his staff control 100% who they select for their QB's from among the 50 states and beyond. If he was such a proficient QB developer , why hasn't Michigan had a great QB during his tenure. Its not like he's HC at Albany St, its Michigan , Sorry hard pass .

They don't control anything. Those highly sought after QBs are going to better schools. Michigan is NOT a premier school for QBs and it never has been. The highest two QB recruits they've had since 2000 were Chad Henne and Ryan Mallet. The 3rd is someone Harbaugh recruited that graduates high school in June. This is not a QB factory and it never has been.  Also, when was the last "great" Michigan QB to enter the draft??? In fact, the last Michigan QB to get drafted in the 1st round was Jim Harbaugh in 1987. Michigan hasn't had a great QB in 33 years. 

When he did have a top QB in Andrew Luck at Stanford he went 12-1 and finished ranked 4th in the Country. 

The College game Is ALL about recruiting. 

[jetblue95]

21 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

My preference is Joe Brady paired with a proven former HC like a Spags/Lewis/Leslie Frazier/Lovie Smith. I doubt the Jets will be that progressive so I expect a Roman  Martindale kind of candidate who has ties to JD. 

so instead of wanting a proven successful nfl head coach, you'd rather a guy with 1 year's coaching experience in the nfl, 3 years total coordinator experience and pair him with an unsuccessful former head coach as a coordinator?

[jetblue95]

5 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Michigan hasn't had a great QB in 33 years. 

 

tom brady begs to differ

[static14]

I wonder the actual number of coaches over the years that have used The Jets to get more money out of another team. 

[choon328]

1 minute ago, jetblue95 said:

 

tom brady begs to differ

Tom Brady was not highly thought of going into the draft, thus his 6th round selection. He also was not a great QB at Michigan. That's what we're talking about. 

[Ken Schroy]

On 1/4/2021 at 11:50 AM, DonCorleone said:

Updated 6:58 AM; Today 6:50 AM

Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh may have his eyes on replacing Adam Gase on the New York Jets.AP

By Mike Rosenstein | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

Here we go again.
 

Michigan head coach Jim Harbaugh might be ready to take a ride on the NFL head coaching carousel following the New York Jets’ decision Sunday to fire Adam Gase. Or Harbaugh might just use the Jets’ opening as leverage for a contract extension with the Wolverines. Per The Athletic:
 

There is optimism inside Michigan football that a new deal with coach Jim Harbaugh will get wrapped up soon and the contract would be an extension through the 2026 season, a person with knowledge of the matter told The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman. … Harbaugh and Michigan brass are looking forward to his staying on leading the program. Harbaugh and the Wolverines have come through with a strong recruiting class this cycle (ranked No. 14 by 247Sports) in spite of all of the rumors swirling about his future there.

In addition, the Detroit Free Press reports “that decision could come as soon as Monday or be stretched out, but the university expects a decision this week. A multi-year contract extension has been offered to Harbaugh, but as of Saturday evening, no extension has been signed, sources close to the situation told the Free Press. The deal, which was initially offered as a three-year extension, would kick in on Jan. 11. That’s the day each year of Harbaugh’s contract has started since he was hired in 2014. … Harbaugh hasn’t signed it yet because he’s waiting to see if any NFL teams have interest in him as a head coach. … Harbaugh is said to have interest in the New York Jets. ... Harbaugh is also said to be interested in the Los Angeles Chargers job, should it come open.”

However NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero report Harbaugh is one of several college coaches who will be considered by the Jets.

Among the candidates who are slated to be considered are Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy, Colts defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, Ravens defensive coordinator Don “Wink” Martindale, Titans offensive coordinator Arthur Smith and Rams defensive coordinator Brandon Staley to college coaches such as Iowa State’s Matt Campbell, Michigan’s Jim Harbaugh and Florida’s Dan Mullen to everyone in between.

Before returning to his alma mater as Michigan head coach, Harbaugh was with the San Francisco 49ers for four seasons, going 44-19 and leading them to Super Bowl XLVII, which he lost to his brother, Baltimore Ravens head coach John Harbaugh.
 

Jim Harbaugh also played 14 years in the NFL from 1987 to 2000. The quarterback had stints with the Chicago Bears, Indianapolis Colts, Ravens and San Diego Chargers.

Let him stay there or go to LA.

[56mehl56]

8 minutes ago, choon328 said:

They don't control anything. Those highly sought after QBs are going to better schools. Michigan is NOT a premier school for QBs and it never has been. The highest two QB recruits they've had since 2000 were Chad Henne and Ryan Mallet. The 3rd is someone Harbaugh recruited that graduates high school in June. This is not a QB factory and it never has been.  Also, when was the last "great" Michigan QB to enter the draft??? In fact, the last Michigan QB to get drafted in the 1st round was Jim Harbaugh in 1987. Michigan hasn't had a great QB in 33 years. 

When he did have a top QB in Andrew Luck at Stanford he went 12-1 and finished ranked 4th in the Country. 

The College game Is ALL about recruiting. 

C'mon Todd Bowles could have gone 12-1 with Andrew Luck playing against PAC 1o defenses. 

[chirorob]

1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said:

And that's exactly my point if he was such a great QB whisperer why can't he convince top notch kids to play for him or why can't he elevate their play like Alex Smith and Kap , could it be a major factor is Greg Roman who's not there at Mich. Just like Wentz regressed in Philly when Reich took the Indy job, even though Pederson is the one hailed for his success.

He can be a good coach and a bad recruiter.

 

[choon328]

Just now, 56mehl56 said:

C'mon Todd Bowles could have gone 12-1 with Andrew Luck playing against PAC 1o defenses. 

That's all you got? Waste of my time

[choon328]

Just now, chirorob said:

He can be a good coach and a bad recruiter.

 

******* bingo

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, 56mehl56 said:

C'mon Todd Bowles could have gone 12-1 with Andrew Luck playing against PAC 1o defenses. 

Holy cow I didn’t know Bowles taught a 18 year old Luck how to play QB

[Philc1]

3 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Tom Brady was not highly thought of going into the draft, thus his 6th round selection. He also was not a great QB at Michigan. That's what we're talking about. 

Brady was very good at Michigan.  Lloyd Carr recruited too many QBs and decided to play the higher touted guys like Brian Griese until it was obvious Brady was better

[slimjasi]

Just now, Philc1 said:

Brady was very good at Michigan.  Lloyd Carr recruited too many QBs and decided to play the higher touted guys like Brian Griese until it was obvious Brady was better

Brady was one of my favorite college QBs during that era. 

He was very good

[jetblue95]

6 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Tom Brady was not highly thought of going into the draft, thus his 6th round selection. He also was not a great QB at Michigan. That's what we're talking about. 

 

i understand.  but where one is drafted does not equate to being a great QB

[choon328]

3 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Brady was very good at Michigan.  Lloyd Carr recruited too many QBs and decided to play the higher touted guys like Brian Griese until it was obvious Brady was better

Ok, he wasn't great though. 

[choon328]

Just now, jetblue95 said:

 

i understand.  but where one is drafted does not equate to being a great QB

Lol.  That wasn't the point of what I said. The conversation i was having with someone else was about great college QBs that Michigan has had. Not QBs who played great in the nfl. It was strictly about college. 

[Philc1]

1 minute ago, choon328 said:

Ok, he wasn't great though. 

I’m just hoping Woody grew a brain and these rumors of Harbaugh aren’t just him trying to maintain leverage

[choon328]

Just now, Philc1 said:

I’m just hoping Woody grew a brain and these rumors of Harbaugh aren’t just him trying to maintain leverage

Who the heck knows at this point. I can see Harbaugh being fed up with the politics of Michigan. A lot of big boosters hate him bc he hasn't beaten Ohio state. Plus he has to do all of that recruiting. I could see him looking to get back in and there were reports a couple of months ago that the Jets were contacting an agent for a big time college coach to gauge interest. I can't remember who said it though. 

[jetblue95]

7 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Brady was very good at Michigan.  Lloyd Carr recruited too many QBs and decided to play the higher touted guys like Brian Griese until it was obvious Brady was better

 

well they did win a national title with griese in 97 when brady was a sophomore.  griese moved to the pros and then super prospect drew henson came on campus and starting getting some reps.  brady was the clear starter in 98 & 99 but henson did get some work in.  brady had a very fine college career but didn't put up wow stats and i'm guessing didn't ace the physical stuff at the combine

[munchmemory]

No like.

[56mehl56]

6 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

so instead of wanting a proven successful nfl head coach, you'd rather a guy with 1 year's coaching experience in the nfl, 3 years total coordinator experience and pair him with an unsuccessful former head coach as a coordinator?

Yes and the reason why is ego. I'm afraid if Harbaugh comes here and with all the cap space we have , it will be an all out spending frenzy to make Harbaugh look good. This will put us right back into that cycle of overpaying for aging vets and back in and win now mode. I want the team to build a sustainable winning culture , I believe JD has laid the foundation and bringing in Harbaugh or a Cowher like HC  IMO derails that process. I don't want discord or a power struggle between the GM and HC . If we were going the proven NFL HC route I'd almost rather see JD fired and let them run the whole thing like a Belicheck in NE. 

Bringing in a younger coordinator type allows Douglas to be the man running the show. If he gets the right guy, this can be solid marriage for the next 10 years,  I don't want the shotgun wedding .  

[56mehl56]

16 minutes ago, chirorob said:

He can be a good coach and a bad recruiter.

 

If he was a good coach then why doesn't he beat OSU and why hasn't he developed a QB. You guys make it sound like he's trying to recruit guys to Kent St . Its Michigan a BIG 10 storied program. 

[jetblue95]

7 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Lol.  That wasn't the point of what I said. The conversation i was having with someone else was about great college QBs that Michigan has had. Not QBs who played great in the nfl. It was strictly about college. 

 

it's fair to say michigan hasn't had recent highly drafted QBs.  although every QB who started for michigan during the mueller-carr era did play in the nfl (grbac, todd collins, griese, brady, henson, navarre, and henne, plus ryan mallet who transferred out).  once rich rod came in he switched scheme and recruiting took a looooong time to recover.

it's fair to criticize harbaugh for not recruiting/developing nfl caliber QBs at michigan (ruddock and patterson were both transfers into the program and the "best" nfl prospects he's developed at michigan).  jj mccarthy is now coming in, but obviously he's 3-4 years before we can see if/where he gets drafted.