Popular Post Paradis Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 I was much more on the fence than some of you about pulling the plug on Darnold, for reasons we've discussed 10 to the 100th power times here.... I was more - At least give it a year under Rob, trade back, grab Pitts etc etc stock the cupboards blah blah.. But reading more and more of this has helped put Sam and the whole thing firmly in the rear view mirror -- Quote Rhule seems done with the idea of a Sam Darnold-centric offense following a horrific three-week stretch in which Darnold has thrown four touchdowns and six interceptions. He completed a disastrous 41.7 percent of his attempts in Carolina's Week 6 loss to the Vikings, averaging a miserable five yards per attempt. The desire to establish the run is usually easier than the execution, as many teams are rarely in position to bleed the clock with a three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offensive approach. 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Same but the real question for us now is, do we feel better about Zach Wilson’s abilities to fully justify the end results of this decision, whatever that may be? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rangerous Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Same but the real question for us now is, do we feel better about Zach Wilson’s abilities to fully justify the end results of this decision, whatever that may be? yes, still, because we can't go back to the past and change the future. the jets has to pick a qb and unless one of the other guys that were picked is measurably better `then wilson was the right choice. as for darnold, the jets would probably be 0-5 right now without much prospect going forward had he been retained. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slimjasi Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Same but the real question for us now is, do we feel better about Zach Wilson’s abilities to fully justify the end results of this decision, whatever that may be? Moving on from Sam was the correct decision regardless of what Zach becomes. Perhaps we should have picked a different QB at #2 or even brought in a veteran stopgap, but Sam was not the long term answer here. He has talent but is just flawed. 33 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Perhaps we should have picked a different QB at #2 or even brought in a veteran stopgap Yes sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nycdan Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 It's almost as if having CMC in there made Sam look good. 2 3 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, rangerous said: for darnold, the jets would probably be 0-5 right now actually with Darnold they prob beat NE and Atlanta..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyLV Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Same but the real question for us now is, do we feel better about Zach Wilson’s abilities to fully justify the end results of this decision, whatever that may be? I am. I think Zachs composure, approach and drive to succeed far exceed Sam's and Zach is also better in almost every way as a thrower than Sam. Actually watching Geno last night if he had half a brain he could have been elite. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: actually with Darnold they prob beat NE and Atlanta..... Because Sam was always so good against BB.... 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Wilson threw 4 INTS in that game.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sperm Edwards Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, FidelioJet said: Because Sam was always so good against BB.... 2 1 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sperm Edwards Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, kevinc855 said: Wilson threw 4 INTS in that game.... Darnold's never thrown 4 INTs in a game. Also never happened against NE with a QB rating of 3.6 a season after he got his rookie lumps in. Never happened. Never. 3 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Wilson threw 4 INTS in that game.... Sam Darnold has never beaten the Pats. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Sam Darnold has never beaten the Pats. Let's not reality get in the way of a useful trolling narrative 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: actually with Darnold they prob beat NE and Atlanta..... 25 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Because Sam was always so good against BB.... 17 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Darnold's never thrown 4 INTs in a game. Also never happened against NE with a QB rating of 3.6 a season after he got his rookie lumps in. Never happened. Never. 16 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Sam Darnold has never beaten the Pats. 22 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Wilson threw 4 INTS in that game.... Dude, this is just plain lazy trolling. If your this bad after the bye week what the hell you gonna be like after Zach tosses 5 picks this Sunday? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kevinc855 Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Dude, this is just plain lazy trolling. If your this bad after the bye week what the hell you gonna be like after Zach tosses 5 picks this Sunday? please dont say that....i cant do a 5 pick game 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: please dont say that....i cant do a 5 pick game I will pm you the Dr Crushlove hotline # at game time. Here for you homey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 If we beat the patriots we should declare a Zach Wilson holiday. It’s been that long. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: Moving on from Sam was the correct decision regardless of what Zach becomes. Perhaps we should have picked a different QB at #2 or even brought in a veteran stopgap, but Sam was not the long term answer here. He has talent but is just flawed. This. Darnold was clearly not the answer. I'm worried Wilson is a bust, but sticking with Sam never made any sense. Media would have killed JD but trading back and trading Sam (with a veteran stopgap) would have made a lot of sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, The Crusher said: I will pm you the Dr Crushlove hotline # at game time. Here for you homey! you prob ban me before the post came pc is over 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 19 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: you prob ban me before the post came pc is over Yeah, trying to avoid that. I don’t like banning real fans, even if they are sucking hard on the teat of negativity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thshadow Posted October 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2021 Drafting Zach was 100% the right thing to do. It's not that *he's* 100% likely to work out. But it's the kind of risk that you just have to take. 8 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Same but the real question for us now is, do we feel better about Zach Wilson’s abilities to fully justify the end results of this decision, whatever that may be? it is has been 5 games and I already feel better about Zachs abilities. Give him a better OL, some more playmakers (in other words, switch places with Darnold), a CS with a clue, and we would see those abilities showcased and there would not be a question about this. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 58 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: This. Darnold was clearly not the answer. I'm worried Wilson is a bust, but sticking with Sam never made any sense. Media would have killed JD but trading back and trading Sam (with a veteran stopgap) would have made a lot of sense. Dude it has been 5 games....FIVE. Good lord can you give the kid a chance? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, kevinc855 said: actually with Darnold they prob beat NE and Atlanta..... Can’t prove this either way. If Darnold is the QB the patriots attack is a different way then they did with Wilson as qb. The one thing that is true is Sam is not beating them on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Paradis said: I was much more on the fence than some of you about pulling the plug on Darnold, for reasons we've discussed 10 to the 100th power times here.... I was more - At least give it a year under Rob, trade back, grab Pitts etc etc stock the cupboards blah blah.. But reading more and more of this has helped put Sam and the whole thing firmly in the rear view mirror -- So you won't listen to me and @Jetsfan80 but you will listen to Matt Rhule. I see how it is. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, JetBlue said: Dude it has been 5 games....FIVE. Good lord can you give the kid a chance? I'm just being honest. 1) I don't like what I see. Kid has serious flaws. 2) How many QBs really struggle out the gate and end up being great these days? Josh Allen is really the only guy. Most of these kids (Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Murray, Herbert, Burrow) can play immediately and the ones that can't (Trubisky, Darnold, Rosen, Jones, Haskins, Tua) usually don't get there. Baker looked good early but isn't looking like the guy. I'm not giving up on him at all. I hope he works out and I think we're locked into him for three full seasons. I just don't get a good feeling about him based on these first few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I'm just being honest. 1) I don't like what I see. Kid has serious flaws. 2) How many QBs really struggle out the gate and end up being great these days? Josh Allen is really the only guy. Most of these kids (Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Murray, Herbert, Burrow) can play immediately and the ones that can't (Trubisky, Darnold, Rosen, Jones, Haskins, Tua) usually don't get there. Baker looked good early but isn't looking like the guy. I'm not giving up on him at all. I hope he works out and I think we're locked into him for three full seasons. I just don't get a good feeling about him based on these first few games. This is a scary but kinda true anylisis… Cmon Zach be the real deal…pleaseeee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Paradis said: I was much more on the fence than some of you about pulling the plug on Darnold, for reasons we've discussed 10 to the 100th power times here.... I was more - At least give it a year under Rob, trade back, grab Pitts etc etc stock the cupboards blah blah.. But reading more and more of this has helped put Sam and the whole thing firmly in the rear view mirror -- 19 minutes ago, jgb said: So you won't listen to me and @Jetsfan80 but you will listen to Matt Rhule. I see how it is. Hey, better late than never to come to the right side. I was getting worried about Paradis there for a second. He seemed firmly in the "Darnold isn't that bad" crew. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Same but the real question for us now is, do we feel better about Zach Wilson’s abilities to fully justify the end results of this decision, whatever that may be? Zach Wilson is a separate item. Moving on from Darnold would have been the right move regardless of which QB we went with next. In hindsight, I'm definitely a "we should have drafted Pitts and brought in Trubisky/Minshew/Tyrod" guy at the moment. Hopefully Wilson proves me wrong. But any end result where we kept Darnold and sacrificed the draft capital we got back for him would have been the wrong move. Those picks from Carolina are looking awfully good now that Carolina is 3-3 and a virtual lock for a sub-.500 finish. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSJF Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I'm just being honest. 1) I don't like what I see. Kid has serious flaws. 2) How many QBs really struggle out the gate and end up being great these days? Josh Allen is really the only guy. Most of these kids (Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Murray, Herbert, Burrow) can play immediately and the ones that can't (Trubisky, Darnold, Rosen, Jones, Haskins, Tua) usually don't get there. Baker looked good early but isn't looking like the guy. I'm not giving up on him at all. I hope he works out and I think we're locked into him for three full seasons. I just don't get a good feeling about him based on these first few games. *Mahomes sat out his first year... Zach could've watched and learned for like 5 games like Eli did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Zach Wilson is a separate item. Moving on from Darnold would have been the right move regardless of which QB we went with next. In hindsight, I'm definitely a "we should have drafted Pitts and brought in Trubisky/Minshew/Tyrod" guy at the moment. Hopefully Wilson proves me wrong. But any end result where we kept Darnold and sacrificed the draft capital we got back for him would have been the wrong move. Actual tears of joy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, LSJF said: *Mahomes sat out his first year... Zach could've watched and learned for like 5 games like Eli did... Rich Gannon wasn't a FQB until year 13. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I'm just being honest. 1) I don't like what I see. Kid has serious flaws. 2) How many QBs really struggle out the gate and end up being great these days? Josh Allen is really the only guy. Most of these kids (Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Murray, Herbert, Burrow) can play immediately and the ones that can't (Trubisky, Darnold, Rosen, Jones, Haskins, Tua) usually don't get there. Baker looked good early but isn't looking like the guy. I'm not giving up on him at all. I hope he works out and I think we're locked into him for three full seasons. I just don't get a good feeling about him based on these first few games. Like I said in the other thread, it's too early to make predictions but the thing about the Josh Allen example that I feel like people are missing out on here, is that Josh Allen wasnt the worst QB in the NFL his rookie season. He was bad and didnt look to have next level passing abilities but he wasnt just the flat out worst QB in the NFL. Zach is the worst QB in the NFL. And that's scary. How often does you see the worst QB in the NFL suddenly figure it out? Not saying it cant happen but it never has before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 hours ago, nycdan said: It's almost as if having CMC in there made Sam look good. Suddenly without CMC, the entire team looks terrible. The receivers can't catch a lick, the OL doesn't look great, and even the defense looks gasses out there. Wonder why?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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