JustInFudge Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, GangGreened said: ESPN's Jamison Hensley and Jeremy Fowler report "all of" Lamar Jackson's counteroffers to the Ravens in contract talks "were for fully guaranteed contracts that exceeded" what Deshaun Watson got. In other words, more than $230 million guaranteed. The quote making the rounds from this story is a Ravens source saying that "it feels like anything is possible." The real question that comes out of this report is probably: Will any team be willing to guarantee Lamar Jackson's next contract in full? "Multiple rival team officials reached by ESPN said the thought of relinquishing at least two first-round picks -- the baseline asking price, based on the non-exclusive tag -- for the right to pay Jackson between $230 million and $250 million in guaranteed money could give teams pause," the story notes. It's Jackson's right to push this as far as he can, and nobody could blame the team signing him to that deal based on his leverage in this, but it's possible that the contract ask will make it hard for a team to give up the capital to trade for him. If there’s one team dumb enough, it’d be the Jets Do the years on the deal not matter here? He's 26, if that's spread out over 6 years, is that not a good deal? Serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Put LJ on the Jets and this may be one of the most dangerous teams in the league. Lamar Jackson, Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, and a top 5 defense? Come on. Absolute no brainer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, JiF4Lamar said: Wow, that glorified RB threw for 3 TD's vs. the Jets defense. Did any other QB do that? Problem with LJ is that he's ended the last two season injured. You simply can't look past that fact. If injuries weren't a thought he'd already have his extension with the guaranteed money he's looking for. Is it possible he never gets injured again (season ending)? Sure. Is it probable that he hasn't suffered his last season ending injury. Yup. Having said that, if they trade for him I'll root like hell for him. The league should implement a cap rule that if a guy gets injured for the season he doesn't count against the cap. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: Problem with LJ is that he's ended the last two season injured. You simply can't look past that fact. . There are problems with any vet we bring in. Rodgers is an old lunatic. Carr isn't good enough. Jimmy G can't stay healthy. Ryan Tannehill is old and sucks. Jackson checks the most boxes you can get out of a veteran option. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Baltimore press isn't all in on LJ ... Quoting inconsistent passing performance. I think he is a superstar athlete... I just think his window won't be as long as a pure pocket passer ... And think his passing isn't all that.No denying his playmaking ability .. I think it comes down to ... Do you like running QBs?And .. do you mind LJ taking ops away from other playmakers on the offense because he believes in his running abilities.Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Dunnie said: No denying his playmaking ability .. I think it comes down to ... Do you like running QBs? I like to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Put LJ on the Jets and this may be one of the most dangerous teams in the league. Lamar Jackson, Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, and a top 5 defense? Come on. Absolute no brainer yeah when hes on the field. he missed the last 4 games last year and cost them the playoffs and this year missed the last 5 plus there one playoff game. he is breaking down. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post football guy Posted February 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2023 If Lamar is so hellbent on being paid a fully guaranteed contract that eclipses Deshaun’s 5-year, $230 million deal, I really wonder if he’ll even play next year. There was only one team ludicrous enough to give that contract out and I feel like it’s unlikely we see that happen again anytime soon. I guess a team might consider a fully guaranteed deal for like 3-years, $150 million similar to how Rodgers’ deal is structured, but even then I find it hard to believe that a team will be willing to do that considering Lamar’s playing style and recent injury history. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, JiF4Lamar said: Do the years on the deal not matter here? He's 26, if that's spread out over 6 years, is that not a good deal? Serious question. Feels like this ends up with the Ravens tricking Lamar into taking the deal they offered, but ponying up ~$200 mil in guarantees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Ryan Tannehill is old and sucks. He doesn't suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ron Rico said: He doesn't suck. Who cares. Quibble over that with someone else. This is a pass/fail situation and Tannehill would be in the "fail" group along with the likes of Derek Carr, Jacoby Brissett and Baker Mayfield. The only "pass" QB's would be Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers. That's it, end of list. Fail to get one of those 2 and might as well roll with a cheap option like Gardner Minshew and use the cap space to load up at the other spots on the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Who cares. Quibble over that with someone else. This is a pass/fail situation and Tannehill would be in the "fail" group along with Derek Carr, Jacoby Brissett and Baker Mayfield. Duly noted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: Problem with LJ is that he's ended the last two season injured. You simply can't look past that fact. If injuries weren't a thought he'd already have his extension with the guaranteed money he's looking for. Is it possible he never gets injured again (season ending)? Sure. Is it probable that he hasn't suffered his last season ending injury. Yup. Having said that, if they trade for him I'll root like hell for him. The league should implement a cap rule that if a guy gets injured for the season he doesn't count against the cap. True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Oh, let me put the word trenchant here so when i look for this thread next season, I just have to search trenchant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Lamar is right, all it takes is one cooky owner to make it happen. These guys cant help themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time suffering Jets f Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Put LJ on the Jets and this may be one of the most dangerous teams in the league. Lamar Jackson, Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, and a top 5 defense? Come on. Absolute no brainer I’m with you getting LJ even with that obscene asking price. Problem is I can see this being a long drawn out process before it gets resolved. So unless the Jets lose out on all their QB options, I don’t see them being a realistic landing place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Who cares. Quibble over that with someone else. This is a pass/fail situation and Tannehill would be in the "fail" group along with the likes of Derek Carr, Jacoby Brissett and Baker Mayfield. The only "pass" QB's would be Lamar Jackson and Aaron Rodgers. That's it, end of list. Fail to get one of those 2 and might as well roll with a cheap option like Gardner Minshew and use the cap space to load up at the other spots on the field. Slight disagree: the Jets are already in a fail state because they shot their shot with Zach Wilson. This is about mitigating a full-on institutional meltdown. IMO, Tannehill can hold the fort as well as Carr, and for significantly cheaper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Slight disagree: the Jets are already in a fail state because they shot their shot with Zach Wilson. This is about mitigating a full-on institutional meltdown. IMO, Tannehill can hold the fort as well as Carr, and for significantly cheaper. Fair. If we're gonna go for the cheap option though I'd rather go with Minshew. But Tannehill would, to me, at least be a superior option to Carr, Mayfield or Brissett. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Let's all go on record: Carr, Rodgers and Lamar will not be the starting QB for a superbowl team next year. Trenchant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashlite80 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Pay a QB $50MM per and surrender your next 4 drafts. That will cause you to loose Sauce, G Wilson, Vera Tucker and Breece in 4 years to salary sap hell. Great plan. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, Flashlite80 said: Pay a QB $50MM per and surrender your next 4 drafts. That will cause you to loose Sauce, G Wilson, Vera Tucker and Breece in 4 years to salary sap hell. Great plan. Don't you want to win?! Gosh, whats wrong with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 How about fields and the number one overall pick to Baltimore for Lamar Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said: Pay a QB $50MM per and surrender your next 4 drafts. That will cause you to loose Sauce, G Wilson, Vera Tucker and Breece in 4 years to salary sap hell. Great plan. Not quite true... but carry on. Hyperboles baby, hyperboles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said: Pay a QB $50MM per and surrender your next 4 drafts. That will cause you to loose Sauce, G Wilson, Vera Tucker and Breece in 4 years to salary sap hell. Great plan. Pretty Much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, LockeJET said: How about fields and the number one overall pick to Baltimore for Lamar Jackson. I wonder how Bears fans would like that? Don't know Bears' fiscal situation, but I can sure see Ravens doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Dcat said: I wonder how Bears fans would like that? Don't know Bears' fiscal situation, but I can sure see Ravens doing this. Lots of talk of the Bears trading fields, and then taking Bryce Young. You make this type of trade and you’re getting a young quarterback who’s already won an MVP. Baltimore reset their QB clock and then gets number one overall. Baltimore could then trade back and get a boatload of pics to build around Fields. Seems like a good trade for both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Flashlite80 said: Pay a QB $50MM per and surrender your next 4 drafts. That will cause you to loose Sauce, G Wilson, Vera Tucker and Breece in 4 years to salary sap hell. Great plan. The salary cap is going to shoot up by a projected $25 mil next year. Anyone who signs their QB this offseason is going to look like a genius. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 so nobody here is worried that one of the best run franchises for the last 2 decades are getting rid of a superstar QB? did the Ravens all of a sudden get stupid? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, doitny said: so nobody here is worried that one of the best run franchises for the last 2 decades are getting rid of a superstar QB? did the Ravens all of a sudden get stupid? Yes! Deshaun Watson got paid! Lamar should get paid, too! And the Jets should be the ones to pay him! IT'S OUR ONLY CHANCE TO GO TO THE SUPER BOWL CAN'T YOU SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, doitny said: so nobody here is worried that one of the best run franchises for the last 2 decades are getting rid of a superstar QB? did the Ravens all of a sudden get stupid? You're asking this question even though the # 1 target of many here, Derek Carr, was outright cut by his team? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Dunnie said: No denying his playmaking ability .. I think it comes down to ... Do you like running QBs? Love 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Tannenhill will be the starting QB on a playoff team in 2023. Carr won't. Jackson won't. Rogers might. Go ahead, make a prediction. Trenchant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 This season we just saw Jalen Hurts dominate the NFC and account for 4 TDs in the SB and yet there are seriously Jets fans out there who have no interest whatsoever in a running QB. Baffling stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, Ron Rico said: Tannenhill will be the starting QB on a playoff team in 2023. Carr won't. Jackson won't. Rogers might. Go ahead, make a prediction. Trenchant You've made the same post like 12x in the last 5 minutes. Take your Lithium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: This season we just saw Jalen Hurts dominate the NFC 1. He looked like absolute sh*t in the SB 2. the NFC. All of the kickass QB's are in the AFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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