Zach…….

[Flea Flicking Frank]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

fair enough Steve Kiem you're referring to? the GM

Steve Wilks the HC took the fall for Rosen pick only lasted one year 

unless they start winning and fast someone has to take the blame 

the Zach pick was so bad the Sauce pick and Garrett Wilson OROY/DROY don't really make up for it 

The person most responsible for picking Zach Wilson is gone already, you should be happy about that. I would be happier if the people who brought him in were gone as well, but no such luck of yet

[bitonti]

13 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Rogers is a selfish prick. No reason or historical evidence to suggest that he would be helpful to a youngster

This fact is overlooked alot

Aaron Rodgers the football player discussion aside, Aaron Rodgers the teammate/mentor has always been a terrible role for him.

13 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Three years from now Zach will be on a reality TV show where formerly famous people compete to bang the most leathery-skinned cougars in a mansion that is normally used to shoot porn movies.  Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

preach it - this post is hot fire from start to finish

there's this list of Q scores for sports stars - i think it's yougov and it goes out to 1000 - all sports not just NFL and all time, not just current or only alive people. They survey the public for how recognizable is this person's name basically.

MJ, Ali, Tiger Woods, Shaq, Serena these are the top names.

Joe Willy Namath is like 32nd all time. 

Zach Wilson is not in the top 1000. He's this big deal on NYJ and BYU sites but no one cares about Zach Wilson. He's a C-list milf hunter, future insta gram influencer.  

 

[dcJet]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Doesn't suggest that even a little bit. 

I can't even believe you're being serious when you were calling him to be benched about 30 months ago.  They stuck with him as long as they could until the toxic fan base forced Saleh's hand.

The fact that he hasn't been traded and is actually looking like #2 on the depth chart - really says how highly they think of him.

For the record: I would still be surprised if he's not traded or #3 but that's not the case right now.

 

This is just wrong.  

We fans are toxic, but Zach got benched because of his toxic teammates.  They made the faces, threw up their arms, bitched in the locker room, requested trades, complained on twitter and wore MFW tee shirts.  

Weak-ass Saleh lost control of the locker room over Zach, and he capitulated to try to get it back

[Dunnie]

37 minutes ago, dcJet said:

This is just wrong.  

We fans are toxic, but Zach got benched because of his toxic teammates.  They made the faces, threw up their arms, bitched in the locker room, requested trades, complained on twitter and wore MFW tee shirts.  

Weak-ass Saleh lost control of the locker room over Zach, and he capitulated to try to get it back

This is fabricated... . He made a terrible mistake with the 'no' comment .. paid the price and from all reports .. the locker room was fine after that. The bigger problems came from practices seemingly being unfocused on the part of MLF.

I didn't agree with bringing Zach back the way Saleh did after White went down ..but whatever.

Zach still may have a future here if he turns things around ..but he may not want to be here based on the way the situation was handled... but i think he is probably more mature than that.  Well see.

[EM31]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Other than he took calls from Zach during the season to help him out and apparently likes him

Completely delusional.

Rogers is famous (or should that be infamous) for being a crappy team mate.  Self-centered to a fault,, not wanting to attend off season practices when chemistry was needed with his new young receivers.  Or maybe putting his team through his drama-queen  will I retire? Wont I retire? offseason nonsense on a regular basis.

Specifically on the development of young QBs he famously declared that developing Jordon Love was "not his job" so I stick to my original point.  Maybe he was texting Zach because he wanted to nail Zach's mom because you know she is a receiver who likes to work on new routes into the end zone.  That is far more plausible then your explanation.

[Greensleeves]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Remember when people were big mad at the suggestion that Zach Wilson was a bad pick. 

I can see Zach being either a bust or an elite QB down the road. He either gets it or he doesn't. He won't be an in between guy IMO.

[65 Toss Power Trap]

4 hours ago, SoJetsy said:

Can you think of another QB who was drafted and became not even an after thought so soon. Can Rogers help this kid be the heir apparent in two years?

Quite a few. 

[FidelioJet]

2 hours ago, dcJet said:

This is just wrong.  

We fans are toxic, but Zach got benched because of his toxic teammates.  They made the faces, threw up their arms, bitched in the locker room, requested trades, complained on twitter and wore MFW tee shirts.  

Weak-ass Saleh lost control of the locker room over Zach, and he capitulated to try to get it back

Yes, I agree with all of this. 100%

 

[Jet Nut]

9 minutes ago, EM31 said:

Completely delusional.

Rogers is famous (or should that be infamous) for being a crappy team mate.  Self-centered to a fault,, not wanting to attend off season practices when chemistry was needed with his new young receivers.  Or maybe putting his team through his drama-queen  will I retire? Wont I retire? offseason nonsense on a regular basis.

Specifically on the development of young QBs he famously declared that developing Jordon Love was "not his job" so I stick to my original point.  Maybe he was texting Zach because he wanted to nail Zach's mom because you know she is a receiver who likes to work on new routes into the end zone.  That is far more plausible then your explanation.

It would be delusional if Rodgers didn’t bring up that they talk, Zack calls him for advice.  The explanation is from his mouth.  More relevant than whatever Rodgers said 3 years ago about his replacement when he clearly wasn’t retiring. 

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-north/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-makes-his-opinion-on-mentoring-extremely-clear

[UntouchableCrew]

15 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

I can see Zach being either a bust or an elite QB down the road. He either gets it or he doesn't. He won't be an in between guy IMO.

I think we know which one at this point, lol.

[Jets723]

4 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

Yep, I can definitely see Zach improving while watching for a couple of years. He has all the tools, just needs to learn from coaches that know how to develop a QB. Confidence can pivot very quickly in sports with good preparation and good coaching. The better he learns the plays and the less he is thinking out there the better he will get. I wouldn't be shocked to see him plugged in at QB in a couple of years after playing well in fill in duty the next two years.

Yeah the mistake they made was throwing him out there immediately.  I felt he was too raw and needed at least a year or two. Not sure if he is salvageable at this point but the best case scenario is that we get a veteran like Rodgers and He can watch and learn and figure it out.  Not sure if they will happen but that would be great 

[David Harris]

Paxton Lynch

[Flea Flicking Frank]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

This fact is overlooked alot

Aaron Rodgers the football player discussion aside, Aaron Rodgers the teammate/mentor has always been a terrible role for him.

preach it - this post is hot fire from start to finish

there's this list of Q scores for sports stars - i think it's yougov and it goes out to 1000 - all sports not just NFL and all time, not just current or only alive people. They survey the public for how recognizable is this person's name basically.

MJ, Ali, Tiger Woods, Shaq, Serena these are the top names.

Joe Willy Namath is like 32nd all time. 

Zach Wilson is not in the top 1000. He's this big deal on NYJ and BYU sites but no one cares about Zach Wilson. He's a C-list milf hunter, future insta gram influencer.  

 

You are the strangest person on this site, congrats. Bizzaro world reading your sh*t

[FactsOnly]

Clueless fanbase

josh Rosen was traded after year 1

Zach Wilson is the future of this franchise at Quarterback

[Jet Nut]

4 hours ago, bitonti said:

the real story is the people who picked Rosen got fired and KK moved on to Murray 

I can't think of a story where the people who picked the bust get to make further decisions 

hey that's me 

 This is wrong.  Actually the HC lost his job but probably because he sucked.  But the GM, the one responsible for drafting Rosen didn’t.  Steve Keim was GM through this past season and just replaced.

It’s just you.  QBs bust.  Doesn’t make someone a bad GM.  It’s not just bad GMs who pick QB who don’t work out. 

[ultraJETfan]

19 minutes ago, Jets723 said:

Yeah the mistake they made was throwing him out there immediately.  I felt he was too raw and needed at least a year or two. Not sure if he is salvageable at this point but the best case scenario is that we get a veteran like Rodgers and He can watch and learn and figure it out.  Not sure if they will happen but that would be great 

I would've said unsalvageable if MLF and staff remained but with a new staff and AR as a mentor I think it's possible he can be salvageable enough to be given one more shot provided he shows improvement and earns it. 

I think it's highly likely MLF neutered him as a player and he lost his balls and his confidence and any sense of intuition he had. If he has any sort of grit and mental resilience he might be able to overcome this setback. If not he is doomed.

[bitonti]

35 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

 QBs bust.  Doesn’t make someone a bad GM.  It’s not just bad GMs who pick QB who don’t work out. 

let's be real selling the farm for Aaron Rodgers less than 3 years after drafting the so called franchise at 2 is a Benny Hill theme song circus way to manage the QB position 

James Morgan, Joe Flacco, these are Joe Douglas's other attempts. He traded for Joe Flacco

it's one thing to miss on a pick it's another thing to mismanage the position for years, and build the worst QB room in the league

and side note the offensive line sucks too.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

let's be real selling the farm for Aaron Rodgers less than 3 years after drafting the so called franchise at 2 is a Benny Hill theme song circus way to manage the QB position 

James Morgan, Joe Flacco, these are Joe Douglas's other attempts. He traded for Joe Flacco

it's one thing to miss on a pick it's another thing to mismanage the position for years, and build the worst QB room in the league

and side note the offensive line sucks too.

It’s circus music maybe for you.  I’ll say it again, out of the 4 QBs taken in the first round, only Lawrence looks to be off and running.  The other three GMs aren’t getting fired because their QBs may miss.  

And if his 2022 draft wasn’t legendary along with his FA signings he wouldn’t be “selling the farm” for a Rodgers.  Flacco was nothing wrong with bringing in a Flacco.  James Morgan was an attempt to find a backup QB, not a,FQB, get real.   
Funny was finding White a black mark

The OL two years ago was middle of the pack.  Last year they were decimated by injuries.  They don’t suck like you’re selling.  
 

Back to the original point, which you neatly ignored.  The person responsible for picking Josh Allen wasn’t fired.  Kills the point that you tried to make and have repeatedly made of firing a GM because his 1st round QB pick hasn’t developed as of today. 

[bitonti]

11 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

It’s circus music maybe for you.  I’ll say it again, out of the 4 QBs taken in the first round, only Lawrence looks to be off and running.  The other three GMs aren’t getting fired because their QBs may miss.  

And if his 2022 draft wasn’t legendary along with his FA signings he wouldn’t be “selling the farm” for a Rodgers.  Flacco was nothing wrong with bringing in a Flacco.  James Morgan was an attempt to find a backup QB, not a,FQB, get real.   
Funny was finding White a black mark

The OL two years ago was middle of the pack.  Last year they were decimated by injuries.  They don’t suck like you’re selling.  
 

Back to the original point, which you neatly ignored.  The person responsible for picking Josh Allen wasn’t fired.  Kills the point that you tried to make and have repeatedly made of firing a GM because his 1st round QB pick hasn’t developed as of today. 

James Morgan in rd 4 was an attempt to find a backup but the Niners in round 7 find Brock Purdy. These picks are not throw away attempts. 

Joe Flacco no one in NFL history gave a sh*t less than 2022 Joe Flacco. Cmon dude that guy literally didn't want to play. 

end of the day JD getting fired won't be judged by long semantic arguments about how picking QBs are hard and relying on 37 year old left tackles

he will live and die on his win loss record and right now he's 20-45. With no playoff appearances

JD leads the league in Jets fans that think he's awesome but mathematically they are the same 7 win last place in the division team they were in year one of JD with Gase that they are in year four with Saleh 

he needs to make the playoffs, and fast, or all the excuses in the world wont save his job 

and Woody would be right to do it 

[Jet Nut]

22 minutes ago, bitonti said:

James Morgan in rd 4 was an attempt to find a backup but the Niners in round 7 find Brock Purdy. These picks are not throw away attempts. 

Joe Flacco no one in NFL history gave a sh*t less than 2022 Joe Flacco. Cmon dude that guy literally didn't want to play. 

end of the day JD getting fired won't be judged by long semantic arguments about how picking QBs are hard and relying on 37 year old left tackles

he will live and die on his win loss record and right now he's 20-45. With no playoff appearances

JD leads the league in Jets fans that think he's awesome but mathematically they are the same 7 win last place in the division team they were in year one of JD with Gase that they are in year four with Saleh 

he needs to make the playoffs, and fast, or all the excuses in the world wont save his job 

and Woody would be right to do it 

Brock Purdy doesn’t have a throwing arm at this point.  Let’s wait before talking him up.  
All of this nonsense is just moving the GPS to make your case that JD sucks.  And I don’t agree, he’s not getting fired.  You’re clowning it up again

[bitonti]

3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

  And I don’t agree, he’s not getting fired.  You’re clowning it up again

If he does not get fired he gets an extension 

Does jd really deserve a raise for 5 wins per year? 

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

If he does not get fired he gets an extension 

Does jd really deserve a raise for 5 wins per year? 

Yes, how many times can I say it.  He’s completely redone the roster.  Everyone knows when you’re tearing it down it’s going to be bad before it gets good.  Others who are fixated on career numbers don’t get it

[Jetsplayer21]

8 hours ago, ultraJETfan said:

I would've said unsalvageable if MLF and staff remained but with a new staff and AR as a mentor I think it's possible he can be salvageable enough to be given one more shot provided he shows improvement and earns it. 

I think it's highly likely MLF neutered him as a player and he lost his balls and his confidence and any sense of intuition he had. If he has any sort of grit and mental resilience he might be able to overcome this setback. If not he is doomed.

Good points. I worry it is the lack of mental resilience, grit, balls he lacks. He has all the tools, arm, athleticism. I don’t recall him having a bad accuracy issue in college. It’s definitely mental with him. And it’s progressed. He was rushed when he clearly wasn’t ready. He should have been pulled in the first pats game when he was having a meltdown that cost us game. If he can come back to earth, realize he is not as good as everyone has been telling him, and in NFL you have to really work hard and put your big boy pants on. I hope the jets let him take this yr as a breather as the number 3 and work on all his issues and not get distracted. He can show a lot of improvement in preseason, practice. 

[bitonti]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Yes, how many times can I say it.  He’s completely redone the roster.  Everyone knows when you’re tearing it down it’s going to be bad before it gets good.  Others who are fixated on career numbers don’t get it

They started out a 7 win team they are a 7 win team now, how are they good? Or any better than they were under gase and Mac? 

There's no such thing as rebuilding when the average player lasts 3 years or less. 

All that build it the right way stuff goes out the window when it's Aaron Rodgers. It's like jd has one set of rules for when he needs a new contract and another set of rules for the rest of the time 

 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, bitonti said:

They started out a 7 win team they are a 7 win team now, how are they good?

Because they found a way to win 7 games with Zach Wilson under center for the majority of them.  A minor miracle in itself.  

[bitonti]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Because they found a way to win 7 games with Zach Wilson under center for the majority of them.  A minor miracle in itself.  

They faced 3rd stringers like Skylar Thompson and has beens like Aaron Rodgers 

It's not rocket science. Jd is the guy who drafted Zach. He's overcome his own stupidity. But not really cause it's still a losing team 

The call is coming from inside the house 

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

They started out a 7 win team they are a 7 win team now, how are they good? Or any better than they were under gase and Mac? 

There's no such thing as rebuilding when the average player lasts 3 years or less. 

All that build it the right way stuff goes out the window when it's Aaron Rodgers. It's like jd has one set of rules for when he needs a new contract and another set of rules for the rest of the time 

 

Are they better than the team he took over from Macc?  Absolutely they are.  Don’t even go there

There’s no such thing as rebuilding?  LOL

Because the average player player lasts 3 years.  You’re serious with this?  Start by getting players better than 3 year average career types.  And have a roaster loaded with young 2 and 3 year vets with another great draft class.  

[bitonti]

16 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Are they better than the team he took over from Macc?  Absolutely they are.  Don’t even go there

And have a roaster loaded with young 2 and 3 year vets with another great draft class.  

There's no numbers that back up the first statement and there's not going to be a draft class when jd ships all the picks to Green Bay 

[Smashmouth]

14 hours ago, Bronx said:

Zach "The Rough Rider" Wilson

 

 

Is this Zach auditioning for his new job ? Looks a little shaky behind the wheel

[rldev]

9 hours ago, bitonti said:

let's be real selling the farm for Aaron Rodgers less than 3 years after drafting the so called franchise at 2 is a Benny Hill theme song circus way to manage the QB position 

James Morgan, Joe Flacco, these are Joe Douglas's other attempts. He traded for Joe Flacco

it's one thing to miss on a pick it's another thing to mismanage the position for years, and build the worst QB room in the league

and side note the offensive line sucks too.

You're schtick is old. Bring your misery somewhere else.

 

[Biggs]

16 hours ago, bitonti said:

the real story is the people who picked Rosen got fired and KK moved on to Murray 

I can't think of a story where the people who picked the bust get to make further decisions 

hey that's me 

Steve Keim was not fired.  He drafted both Rosen and Murray.  He was fired after this offseason. 

[Dunnie]

Can you think of another QB who was drafted and became not even an after thought so soon. Can Rogers help this kid be the heir apparent in two years?

Yes

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[Jet Nut]

7 hours ago, bitonti said:

There's no numbers that back up the first statement and there's not going to be a draft class when jd ships all the picks to Green Bay 

All his picks are going to GB?

OK, LOL

[Jet Nut]

4 hours ago, Biggs said:

Steve Keim was not fired.  He drafted both Rosen and Murray.  He was fired after this offseason. 

He was the Cards GM in 2022.  Slightly different picture

[Smashmouth]

9 hours ago, bitonti said:

There's no numbers that back up the first statement and there's not going to be a draft class when jd ships all the picks to Green Bay 

Ships all the picks to Green Bay ? What exactly does that mean ? 

at the very most GB will be getting a 4th this year with probably a thrid next year with the chance of the becoming a 2nd or a first based on playoff/SB