Jets Defense has 8 FIRST ROUND Picks - 6 on Defensive Line

[Jdeet]

Although Haason Reddick's official position is OLB, he is a down lineman on most of his snaps. This gives the Jets 6 FIRST ROUND picks on the defensive line:

Haason Reddick,

Jermaine Johnson,

Quinnen Williams,

Soloman Thomas,

Javon Kinlaw,

Will McDonald

Add CJ Mosely and Sauce Gardner, that's 8 FIRST ROUND picks on this defense. 

 

In contrast, the Jets have 6 FIRST ROUND picks on offense including:

Aaron Rodgers,

Garrett Wilson,

Mike Williams,

Tyron Smith,

AVT,

and of course Zach Wilson

 

Assuming the Jets pick WR/TE/OL in the 1st round this season, and Zach Wilson is gone, that will be a total of 14 FIRST ROUND picks on the roster, most in the NFL.

[sciond]

Is there a point?

[Jdeet]

3 minutes ago, sciond said:

Is there a point?

The team is talented? Having 6 1st round defensive lineman has to be some kind of record. That just seems crazy.

[slimjasi]

Edit:

try to keep most of them healthy 

[Bronx]

3 hours ago, sciond said:

Is there a point?

Yes!  Zach Wilson is the best 3rd stringer QB ever drafted in the "Top 5".  

[The Crusher]

28 minutes ago, Bronx said:

Yes!  Zach Wilson is the best 3rd stringer QB ever drafted in the "Top 5".  

Debatable 

[doitny]

waiting for someone to spin this into being a bad thing.

 

[The Crusher]

6 minutes ago, doitny said:

waiting for someone to spin this into being a bad thing.

 

Bryce Huff

[Larz]

[Larz]

7 minutes ago, doitny said:

waiting for someone to spin this into being a bad thing.

 

It’s too much defense! Defense doesn’t matter! What about the offense?

😂

[rangerous]

10 hours ago, Jdeet said:

The team is talented? Having 6 1st round defensive lineman has to be some kind of record. That just seems crazy.

There’s a reason why some players are first rounders.  It means they were talented more than the other players coming out during their draft year.  It doesn’t always translate into nfl performance.  Of that list it’s pretty obvious Zach, Solomon Thomas and kinlaw have underperformed.  Macdonald still needs to show something.  So that means only four of the fourteen have missed their draft positions.  That’s about a thirty percent miss rate.

[Warfish]

5 hours ago, doitny said:

waiting for someone to spin this into being a bad thing.

On it's face it's neither a bad nor a god thing. 

Draft slot only matters on draft day and on paydays.

How they play on the field, and if they can manage to stay on the field, is what matters.

[Jdeet]

23 hours ago, Warfish said:

On it's face it's neither a bad nor a god thing. 

Draft slot only matters on draft day and on paydays.

How they play on the field, and if they can manage to stay on the field, is what matters.

Getting 14 1st rounders under the cap, especially when 9-10 of them are elite players, is something you have to give credit to JD. This offseason, acquiring Smith, Williams,  Reddick, and Kinlaw, all 1st round picks, with the limited resources we had, is credit to the Jets and the players who made it happen, like CJ restructure, and Smith/Williams signing incentive laden contracts.

Gotta love the naysayers, who, on one hand, kill the Jets for selling out for 2024 success, but, at the same time, would kill the Jets if they didn’t sign players at positions we needed. Risk does cost money and sometimes doesn’t work out. It also allows you to field a highly talented roster. 

I refuse to blame JD. He hasn’t fielded a winning team yet, but the talent he has assembled is pretty impressive, compared to what he had, when he took over, and if 2024 is the same old story, it’s not for a lack of effort on his part, to try and put a winning team on the field.

Saleh and the offensive staff, on the other hand, has been a miserable failure, with his complete lack of comprehension of what offense is. 

Hopefully things change in 2024. 

[Jetsfan80]

On 3/30/2024 at 12:43 PM, Warfish said:

On it's face it's neither a bad nor a god thing. 

Draft slot only matters on draft day and on paydays.

How they play on the field, and if they can manage to stay on the field, is what matters.

Ideally you’re right.  But we know substandard players get shots around the league all the time on the back of their original draft slot.  

[Dcat]

nvm

[BP]

I don’t think I’ve EVER been so excited before

[Dcat]

1st rounders in and of itself do not forecast success. Look how many 1st rd defensive players the Jets took with Rex actually ever since Sanchez thru Mac , Idzik. 🤢We had a whole bunch of 1st rd picks that did not lead us to the promised land.

roll call:
Mark Sanchez, Kyle Wilson, Muhammad Wilkerson, Quinton Coples, Dee Milner, Sheldon Richardson, Calvin Pryor, Leo Williams, Darron Lee, Jamal Adams, Sam Darnold.

How about those 9 defensive 1st round picks in a row?  And that beautiful pair of bookends on both sides?    Now we have a zillion 1st rounders?    yaay.  Now win.

[Warfish]

6 hours ago, Jdeet said:

Getting 14 1st rounders under the cap, especially when 9-10 of them are elite players, is something you have to give credit to JD.

You think we have 9-10 elite 1st round players?  

6 hours ago, Jdeet said:

This offseason, acquiring Smith, Williams,  Reddick, and Kinlaw, all 1st round picks, with the limited resources we had, is credit to the Jets and the players who made it happen, like CJ restructure, and Smith/Williams signing incentive laden contracts.

Old Injury risk, another injury risk, solid guy it seems (replacing a #1 pick we already had), and a mostly bust.

6 hours ago, Jdeet said:

Gotta love the naysayers, who, on one hand, kill the Jets for selling out for 2024 success, but, at the same time, would kill the Jets if they didn’t sign players at positions we needed.

Not me.  I'm neutral this offseason, the writing was on the wall that we were selling out for this one-year-shot with Rodgers (again) once JD and Saleh weren't rightfully fired at the end of 2023.  No point bashing one's head against the wall.  This team is extremely short-term built, and will pay that price eventually.

6 hours ago, Jdeet said:

Risk does cost money and sometimes doesn’t work out. It also allows you to field a highly talented roster. 

I think Jets Fans think this roster is more talented than it is, we're already seeing posts about "most talented in the NFL", such hyperbole is so lol tbqh.

6 hours ago, Jdeet said:

I refuse to blame JD. He hasn’t fielded a winning team yet, but the talent he has assembled is pretty impressive, compared to what he had, when he took over, and if 2024 is the same old story, it’s not for a lack of effort on his part, to try and put a winning team on the field.

Talent on paper that doesn't win is just hot air and rationalization.

6 hours ago, Jdeet said:

Saleh and the offensive staff, on the other hand, has been a miserable failure, with his complete lack of comprehension of what offense is.

You know the GM is responsible for that too, right?  He hires, he fires.

6 hours ago, Jdeet said:

Hopefully things change in 2024. 

It's a nice thought, we'll see around week 5 or 6 when we see what our IR list looks like...

[Barton]

Defense wins championships.

Except it doesnt.

Need more offense. 

[Bobby816]

3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Ideally you’re right.  But we know substandard players get shots around the league all the time on the back of their original draft slot.  

You. Opportunity is often given based on draft spot.

 

For example a 1st round rookie OT is likely given a backup role over Warren. When the haven’t earned it. It’s just that he was drafted higher 

[JohnnyLV]

3 hours ago, BP said:

I don’t think I’ve EVER been so excited before

I have never been as disinterested

[Jdeet]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

You think we have 9-10 elite 1st round players?  

Old Injury risk, another injury risk, solid guy it seems (replacing a #1 pick we already had), and a mostly bust.

Not me.  I'm neutral this offseason, the writing was on the wall that we were selling out for this one-year-shot with Rodgers (again) once JD and Saleh weren't rightfully fired at the end of 2023.  No point bashing one's head against the wall.  This team is extremely short-term built, and will pay that price eventually.

I think Jets Fans think this roster is more talented than it is, we're already seeing posts about "most talented in the NFL", such hyperbole is so lol tbqh.

Talent on paper that doesn't win is just hot air and rationalization.

You know the GM is responsible for that too, right?  He hires, he fires.

It's a nice thought, we'll see around week 5 or 6 when we see what our IR list looks like...

Wow. Found the most miserable **** of all. Not worth my time to respond. Retire to Florida. It’s time. 

[Warfish]

49 minutes ago, Jdeet said:

Wow. Found the most miserable **** of all. Not worth my time to respond. Retire to Florida. It’s time. 

 

 

[dbatesman]

This happened like three different times between the (latter) Tannenbaum, Idzik, and Maccagnan eras. Those teams all sucked out loud just like this one probably will

[Beerfish]

On 3/30/2024 at 5:03 AM, doitny said:

waiting for someone to spin this into being a bad thing.

 

I'll gladly do it.

Spend more resources than any other position group to obtain.

Play them all 25-30% of the Defensive snaps.

Scratch your head and wonder why you are bottom 3 in offense year after year after year.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

9 1st Rounders when we bring back #33

[varjet]

• As a general matter 1st round means strong athletic traits.  That is what Saleh wants for this defense.   The Jets defense works, but you wonder how much credit to give him if they need such good athletes to run the scheme.
• Any NFL team a mix of players with different athletic traits, but make up for athletic deficiencies with skills and effort.  JD has to do better at finding players lower in the draft who are initiallly cheaper, and more plentiful, who can play football.  
• The Jets have hired defensive HCs who could not even run a good defense.  Saleh with Ulbrich runs a good defense.   I do not entirely get how we opted out of keeping Huff so we could potentially spend more and a draft pick for Reddick.   At this point, this team would be 10x better off if they were able to get Broderick Jones, break him in last year and have an LT this year.  10x.  We did not need McD, but we do now.  We would even be better off with Addison, JSN or even Anton Harrison.  

[jamesr]

On 4/1/2024 at 12:11 AM, Barton said:

Defense wins championships.

Except it doesnt.

Need more offense. 

The full quote is "Offense wins games, defense wins championships". We don't win games because of our offense. We win (off-season) championships aplenty though!  

[Dcat]

On 3/31/2024 at 9:01 PM, Jdeet said:

Wow. Found the most miserable **** of all. Not worth my time to respond. Retire to Florida. It’s time. 

Do you realize that you insult everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with you? I mean there's a small chance that you actually lack the self-awareness to even know this.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

We have bad coaching, so this doesn’t matter.