JOJOTOWNSELL Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 He is JFM 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 He is pathetically slow off the ball and has no pass rushing moves. He works hard and does have the intimidation factor but should be easily replaced. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 10 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I think we all know it by now but nobody has ever had the guts to actually say it. Clemons is nothing but rotational depth at DE and he should be behind McDonald on the depth chart, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 5 hours ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said: He is JFM 2.0 That's being somewhat generous imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradSmith16fan Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Little better than average 4th round pick. Solid. Not starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 He sux at rushing the passer but is an ok run stuffer. According to my You Tube guy, BJF, he only had 8 pressures last years as compared to JFM who had something like 240. The coaches seem to like him but my guy says he is or should be on the 53 bubble. Ah for the good old days when we were rostering JMF and Huff. Go Jets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 9 hours ago, Bronx said: Maybe because McDonald is a bust. His failure to put on weight in the off-season is concerning. Until he can adequately play the run he's just a situational pass rusher. Obviously that's not why you take a guy in the first. Too early to call him a bust though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrcoops Posted August 19 Popular Post Share Posted August 19 6 hours ago, JOJOTOWNSELL said: He is JFM 2.0 51 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said: That's being somewhat generous imo. More like JFM 0.2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 He sucks but he's a rotational piece, no biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sperm Edwards Posted August 19 Popular Post Share Posted August 19 11 hours ago, Jethead said: Parcels did that with Sean Ellis. Big mistake. Maybe true here as well. No, that was Herm. Had the bright idea that if Ellis put on weight & moved inside between the guard & tackle he could be Warren Sapp. In anticipation of that being the plan, this pressured Bradway to draft Bryan Thomas over Ed Reed so Thomas could line up wide after moving Ellis in. Ellis was unsuited for the 3T role, Thomas had 3 sacks in his first 3 seasons, Jets started Sam Garnes opposite Herm's guy Damien Robinson, and Ed Reed became the best safety on earth for a decade and deservedly went to the HOF. My namesake earned his green dunce cap. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 15 minutes ago, JiFtheOracle said: He sucks but he's a rotational piece, no biggie. The problem is that, right now, he's the starter at end opposite JJ. Neither Clemons nor McDonald is up to starting at that spot - the Jets really need to get Reddick into camp and onto the field. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotter Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 stupid personal fouls have to stop. Penalties are one thing and sometimes subjective. Losing your cool and doing stupid things costing 15 yards or more will cost them a game down the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 You're right. It was Herm. Point remains the same however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 minute ago, Jethead said: You're right. It was Herm. Point remains the same however. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Michael Clemons is like finding out the boogey man isn’t real. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 The Jets would be better off replacing him with one of the rookie UDFAs that show upside, but they won’t. He is a draft pick and veteran for a team looking to avoid rookie mistakes. He will not get a second contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 14 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Michael Clemons is like finding out the boogey man isn’t real. Spoilers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 11 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: JFM is a much better player though. Clemons is a solid depth piece but to rely on him a a starter is not ideal. He'll be the weak link and targeted if he's starting for us. This. Clemons isn't bad, he's just a solid backup. Which is a fine outcome for a 4th round pick 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 8 minutes ago, varjet said: The Jets would be better off replacing him with one of the rookie UDFAs that show upside, but they won’t. He is a draft pick and veteran for a team looking to avoid rookie mistakes. He will not get a second contract. I believe Clemons is on the bubble. A few years ago, he would have made the team no issues. But this is one of the best units in the NFL, and the key is depth. The Jets can afford to keep one of the UDFA, Takk or Holmes that shows more potential than a lumbering pass rusher. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, mrcoops said: The problem is that, right now, he's the starter at end opposite JJ. Neither Clemons nor McDonald is up to starting at that spot - the Jets really need to get Reddick into camp and onto the field. He's not a starter. If he was, he wouldnt have played in the preseason as much as he has, it seems to me the coaching staff is making him earn his downs and figure out if he can play end at the level they want. My assumption is he'll get a few looks at DE but mostly play inside and I'd be surprised if he sees more than 40% of the snaps on the season. My guess, first down of the season vs. the 49ers the DL will be JJ, Q.Will, Kinlaw, Thomas w/ Willy McD coming in on passing downs. The one thing I trust this coaching staff w/ is the DL, they know Clemons sucks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 10 hours ago, Ghost420 said: He started all 17 games last yr First play of the game. It happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 So this is the new tippmanns snap catastrophe have fun ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 He is playing par for his draft position. Rotational player in a group that rotates more than most. Not ideal, but OK. Seems like the team has brought in a number of options on the DL, maybe they recognize a place to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 13 hours ago, Bronx said: @Barry McCockinner He overruns the QB a lot but he is a good run edge defender... He needs help on the pass rusher side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted August 19 Popular Post Share Posted August 19 9 minutes ago, Larz said: So this is the new tippmanns snap catastrophe have fun ! Not really. Tippman thing was a short term issue that will likely rear its ugly head here and there but likely not effect his overall contribution as a center. Clemons is fine for what he is but he needs to mature a bit and learn to not cost he team with penalties because he’s likely not good enough to make up for them. His tough guy act and the crap that go’s with it needs a littie more production to justify it. As of right now he’s in the Jag category and needs to be more of an asset than a liability because it’s a very close margin for him. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 9 hours ago, Warfish said: Have you ever said those words about a Jets player while they're still on the Jets? Yes But other than a GWilson or Sauce type I don’t talk about how great they are. Why do you care? I don’t go over the top either way on players while you do your usual well see discussing players. BTW, last time I checked, Clemons is still on the Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 32 minutes ago, JiFtheOracle said: He's not a starter. If he was, he wouldnt have played in the preseason as much as he has, it seems to the coaching staff is making him earn his downs and figure out if he can play end at the level they want. My assumption is he'll get a few looks at DE but mostly play inside and I'd be surprised if he sees more than 40% of the snaps on the season. My guess, first down of the season vs. the 49ers the DL will be JJ, Q.Will, Kinlaw, Thomas w/ Willy McD coming in on passing downs. The one thing I trust this coaching staff w/ is the DL, they know Clemons sucks. I hadn't considered Solly Thomas as a potential starter at end. The Jets clearly do like him and value him, but they've tended to use him as a rotational piece inside rather than on the edge. Interesting thought. He's definitely a better player than Clemons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: His failure to put on weight in the off-season is concerning. Until he can adequately play the run he's just a situational pass rusher. Obviously that's not why you take a guy in the first. Too early to call him a bust though Of course, having AR on year one and not focusing on the offense with that pick was a crime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 28 minutes ago, Larz said: So this is the new tippmanns snap catastrophe have fun ! There is a big difference, Tippman was always going to make the team. It's the "Henny Pennys" of the Jets fandom that cried "He is no good!" Clemons was on the bubble from the start of training camp. This is a deep unit, and people can make the argument the best in the league. So in other words he is expendible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darnold's Forehead Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 This fan base needs to stop being so naively positive about everything related to this team. Wait until you are actually shown something on game day. It becomes the same thing with every player. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said: This fan base needs to stop being so naively positive about everything related to this team. Wait until you are actually shown something on game day. It becomes the same thing with every player. lol, of course you are correct, game performance will validate opinions, but for now we can only speculate, estimate and project, IMO better than threads on Stop Using Lube. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Michael Clemons is fine. You dont have superstars at every position. That position can easily be locked down w/ Clemons playing on the early downs and willie mac playing on the passing downs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 49 minutes ago, Larz said: So this is the new tippmanns snap catastrophe have fun ! Hahahahahaahaha. Embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 17 minutes ago, mrcoops said: I hadn't considered Solly Thomas as a potential starter at end. The Jets clearly do like him and value him, but they've tended to use him as a rotational piece inside rather than on the edge. Interesting thought. He's definitely a better player than Clemons. Thomas moves around but he’s actually listed right now as a DE. McKinley could be another option who is better than Clemons. He’s listed as an OLB, so will definitely see some DE too and I think they can movie Fotu around as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 3 hours ago, ARodJetsFan said: That's being somewhat generous imo. I sorta view the trade of jfm as a vote of confidence for Clemons by management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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