Cimini Article: Behind the scenes of Saleh firing

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, Frankie Green said:

Not only that, but it seemed being a loser, soft team was perfectly acceptable under Saleh. Zero urgency at all. Woody is a fool but Im not gonna pretend Saleh didnt have to go if we didn't want to waste the last 2 years entirely. He had to go. Both things true 

Nothing part of football 

[Frankie Green]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Nothing part of football 

I obviously missed whatever it was he said that. Guessing from one of the post loss pressers... but yeah... practically asking to be fired. This whole thing from Saleh down got WAY too comfortable. These boys needed a wake up call. Hope we see much more intensity! 

[doitny]

17 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The highest paid player on the defense has been phoning it in all year and is likely out of shape.

The Jets have also not been very good against the run and soft at the point of attack. Saleh was likely a major part of the issue here. The touchdown the Broncos scored was a major breakdown similar to the Lions game in 2022. Too much of that
 

 

so Saleh was a major part of the defensive issuse? what about Ulrich? 

the Broncos scored 10 points. how much better do you want the defense. the offense cost us that game. same with the Vikings. they made Sam Darnold look like he was with the Jets.

we are tied for 3rd in Points against and 2nd in yards against. how much better do you want them to be? 

 

[NYs Stepchild]

14 minutes ago, Frankie Green said:

This is the most disturbing part to me. Who TF IS THIS GUY and why is he making any football decisions?! Some corporate, bottom line, slimeball who has no business being involved in anything to do with sports operations. Ugh... what a bunch of BS. The only hope here is that Woody and this Hymen guy accidentally backed into a real HC material in Ulbrich, and JD remains on as GM... because a whole lot of ppl seem to have forgotten how TERRIBLE the roster was for years upon years before he got in here and tore it down. We actually have talented players now at least. Some ppl have very short memory 

So you're very disturbed that this slimeball has a say in personnel, but you like the GM, the coaches, and the players. 

Do you not think he's had a say in all of those people, all along? 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

1 hour ago, DJF71 said:

Players were tired of eagle and crow quotes. Needed a new voice. 

The Quincy postgame comments may have been the proverbial last straw, in this case the one that broke the bald man’s back.

[TBJ]

Players wanted a cheerleader with hair and a vagina.

[BP]

23 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

What a waste of 3 minutes reading that tripe of an article. Cimini never fails to deliver click-bait garbage. Nothing new was reported other than “Johnson, 77, can be demanding, looking for instant results”lol!

I guess 13 years without even sniffing the playoffs isn’t instant enough.

Under woodys leadership with that huge gorgeous Beautiful stadium, not one home playoff game in over 20 years. And that was parcells (the hated terrible coach) residue.

 

you know what I think, Mr. Canadian jets fan? Let’s be super positive and raise ticket prices again. It’s only fair for the fans to have the privilege to see this team woody hymie have built.

Let’s be positive: maybe in another 20 years the Jets may have a home playoff game. But woody will be 97 by then.

[OilfieldJet]

3 hours ago, Theodore said:

 

The players think Woody is a clown

Woody is a clown, worst owner in sports.

[Jetluv58]

I’ve seen this with a couple of teams in my life. Hugh Culverhouse and the Bucs come to mind. They went nowhere with him at the helm. Malcolm Glaser took over and soon they were in the Super Bowl. As long as Woody’s the owner, the Jets are probably going nowhere. Hope I am wrong. 

[slimjasi]

15 minutes ago, doitny said:

so Saleh was a major part of the defensive issuse? what about Ulrich? 

the Broncos scored 10 points. how much better do you want the defense. the offense cost us that game. same with the Vikings. they made Sam Darnold look like he was with the Jets.

we are tied for 3rd in Points against and 2nd in yards against. how much better do you want them to be? 

 

I think you’re missing the point - the head coach is responsible for everything. he gets credit for the things they do well and blame for the things they do poorly. Talking about the defense being good doesn’t change that. 

Saleh’s Jets were consistently defined by slow starts, dumb penalties, generally terrible play on offense, and yes, generally excellent play on defense. That is his legacy.  

[Prodigal Syndicate]

)Woody is a clueless moron.

2)Makes sense Aaron would like Saleh. Saleh probably left the offense almost completely alone and gave Aaron carte blanche to do whatever and he helped put out a great defense 

3) What if quincys comments and the talk of accountability was just shots at the offense, how bad its been and that Aaron is treated like a god internally. The 1 time Saleh spoke up was about the cadence and Aaron basically told Saleh nah that's not it publicly.

[Matt39]

27 minutes ago, doitny said:

so Saleh was a major part of the defensive issuse? what about Ulrich? 

the Broncos scored 10 points. how much better do you want the defense. the offense cost us that game. same with the Vikings. they made Sam Darnold look like he was with the Jets.

we are tied for 3rd in Points against and 2nd in yards against. how much better do you want them to be? 

 

I don’t really care about how good the defense was (and it was just fine) when the coach was lazy and not doing anything about it.

[Matt39]

Just now, Prodigal Syndicate said:

)Woody is a clueless moron.

2)Makes sense Aaron would like Saleh. Saleh probably left the offense almost completely alone and gave Aaron carte blanche to do whatever and he helped put out a great defense 

3) What if quincys comments and the talk of accountability was just shots at the offense, how bad its been and that Aaron is treated like a god internally. The 1 time Saleh spoke up was about the cadence and Aaron basically told Saleh nah that's not it publicly.

If the coach is telling pro football players they need to dial down saying hut hut then there’s a bigger problem. Quincy can start with his brother for accountability. 

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

• I think Cimini is a real reporter who is not going to make stuff up.  But he is a typical Jet reporter, in that he delivers news with a negative/cynical bias.  Other teams' reporters are homer fans.  
• Like the rest of us I struggle with what is the right answer here.  I would have thought that somehow JD and even the Johnsons could have worked with Saleh to fix the problems rather than leaving them one coach down.   We will see if Golf Course Bobby really was that fundamentally flawed.  The lack of prep, accounting and discipline were clear, but it is sad that firing Saleh was the only way they were going to fix it.  
• But I don't think this adventure shows that the Johnsons got it figured out and now know how to run a team.   I think this is confirmation that the Woody's style of management is going to alienate anybody decent from replacing Saleh/JD.  It is possible that JD and Saleh were sold by Christopher and they did not appreciate what the world of Woody would be.
• But to sum it up, people here disagree, but I think recently Woody was behind the trade for Darnold, drafting ZW and dumping Darnold, not replacing Greg Knapp, drafting Sauce, firing MLF, firing Rex Hogan from Utah who pushed for ZW, signing Hackett and getting Rodgers, and now firing Saleh.   
• Time will tell, but I don't know what kind of quality people this organization will be able to attract.   The GM is not a real GM, and the HC reports to the impulsive owner.   Basically you get people wanting to cash out. 

Chris did all those things you blamed Woody for... 

[Prodigal Syndicate]

5 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

If the coach is telling pro football players they need to dial down saying hut hut then there’s a bigger problem. Quincy can start with his brother for accountability. 

I think Id start with the one of the worst offenses in the league over one of the best defenses in the league.

[jetstream23]

3 hours ago, Theodore said:

4) Woody felt boxed in by Rodgers as the sole reason he kept Saleh. He wanted to keep Aaron happy. 
 

Couple of things  of note

#4 is a huge indictment on Woody. How can an owner allow a player to have that much control? Especially a player who has done nothing for the franchise and will only be here a year or two. 

100%

A guy like Mahomes perhaps gets that kind of power.  A guy who will be there for 5+ more years and who you just paid $200M+

But Rodgers should not have any power over things that affect the coaching staff, salary cap, etc. over the longer term.  If he wants a certain second tier WR or TE for one-year at $10M?  Have at it.  But nothing that could hamstring the team in the longer term.

[The Voice of Reason]

59 minutes ago, Frankie Green said:

This is the most disturbing part to me. Who TF IS THIS GUY and why is he making any football decisions?! Some corporate, bottom line, slimeball who has no business being involved in anything to do with sports operations. Ugh... what a bunch of BS. The only hope here is that Woody and this Hymen guy accidentally backed into a real HC material in Ulbrich, and JD remains on as GM... because a whole lot of ppl seem to have forgotten how TERRIBLE the roster was for years upon years before he got in here and tore it down. We actually have talented players now at least. Some ppl have very short memory 

He is woodys money guy for jets

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said:

I think Id start with the one of the worst offenses in the league over one of the best defenses in the league.

Right, but one is his younger brother who’s been horrible and the highest paid player. Easy place to start. 

[Frankie Green]

9 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

He is woodys money guy for jets

EXACTLY 

[Matt39]

11 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

He is woodys money guy for jets

Among many 

[bicketybam]

56 minutes ago, OilfieldJet said:

Woody is a clown, worst owner in sports.

The guy is Carolina is far worse. Not even close.

[PS17]

2 hours ago, varjet said:

• I think Cimini is a real reporter who is not going to make stuff up.  But he is a typical Jet reporter, in that he delivers news with a negative/cynical bias.  Other teams' reporters are homer fans.  
• Like the rest of us I struggle with what is the right answer here.  I would have thought that somehow JD and even the Johnsons could have worked with Saleh to fix the problems rather than leaving them one coach down.   We will see if Golf Course Bobby really was that fundamentally flawed.  The lack of prep, accounting and discipline were clear, but it is sad that firing Saleh was the only way they were going to fix it.  
• But I don't think this adventure shows that the Johnsons got it figured out and now know how to run a team.   I think this is confirmation that the Woody's style of management is going to alienate anybody decent from replacing Saleh/JD.  It is possible that JD and Saleh were sold by Christopher and they did not appreciate what the world of Woody would be.
• But to sum it up, people here disagree, but I think recently Woody was behind the trade for Darnold, drafting ZW and dumping Darnold, not replacing Greg Knapp, drafting Sauce, firing MLF, firing Rex Hogan from Utah who pushed for ZW, signing Hackett and getting Rodgers, and now firing Saleh.   
• Time will tell, but I don't know what kind of quality people this organization will be able to attract.   The GM is not a real GM, and the HC reports to the impulsive owner.   Basically you get people wanting to cash out. 

Deputy likes dots 

[PS17]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Knowing Woody’s history, he checked the finances with Hymie Elhai, saw an opportunity to minimize his losses, and then told Douglas what he was gonna do. The worst case scenario for Woody is that Saleh eked out nine/ten wins and a playoff spot with Rodgers, which results in a second contract for both Saleh and Douglas. He thinks he can get the same result out of Ulbrich, at which point he could turn around and give Ulbrich pennies on the dollar to stay on in the offseason.

I’ve never understood owners being cheap when it comes to coaches. You own the biggest cash cow - an NFL franchise - that money can buy. You bid £2 billion for Chelsea FC in 2022. But a couple million here and there for a coach is where you get frugal? Such a savvy businessman Robert Wood is. 

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

The Quincy postgame comments may have been the proverbial last straw, in this case the one that broke the bald man’s back.

The two questions that have to be answered in any autopsy of The Saleh Era is 1. Did he want Zach? And 2. Did he hire Hackett? Saleh was insufficient in a lot of areas, but ultimately his Jets tombstone will read that he never found a QB. In Woody’s pea-brained little mind, he finds it irreconcilable that he’s paying Aaron Rodgers $35 mil and they’re fielding the 25th ranked scoring offense in football. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, PS17 said:

I’ve never understood owners being cheap when it comes to coaches. You own the biggest cash cow - an NFL franchise - that money can buy. You bid £2 billion for Chelsea FC in 2022. But a couple million here and there for a coach is where you get frugal? Such a savvy businessman Robert Wood is. 

If he paid for a big coach, he’d have to cede power to that coach. Woody doesn’t have a job. He has few hobbies. The Jets are the vehicle he uses to stay connected and stay famous. 

[Aussie Jet]

17 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

The guy is Carolina is far worse. Not even close.

John Fisher trumps the lot of them. Hate that guy.

[sciond]

4 hours ago, Theodore said:

 

The players think Woody is a clown

 

 

Doesn't everybody?

[AZSOJ]

1 hour ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

The Quincy postgame comments may have been the proverbial last straw, in this case the one that broke the bald man’s back.

he was losing the team, if he didn't already at that point.  He was Peter's principal incarnate

 

[sciond]

20 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

The guy is Carolina is far worse. Not even close.

Actually Tepper is a douchebag

Woody is just a clown

[Bobby816]

[OilfieldJet]

28 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

The guy is Carolina is far worse. Not even close.

Don’t agree, Tepper is a successful businessman, he can, and will, learn. Woody can’t.

[PS17]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If he paid for a big coach, he’d have to cede power to that coach. Woody doesn’t have a job. He has few hobbies. The Jets are the vehicle he uses to stay connected and stay famous. 

A non-bird brain would realize how inept the team has been since he’s had control, and would seemingly want to cede power to a professional football guy - at the very least to not be laughed at as the worst owner in sports. But that’s not Woody, who lacks any semblance of shame. 

[Charlie Brown]

4 hours ago, Theodore said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41774809/new-york-jets-look-coach-robert-saleh-split-woody-johnson

Pretty boring article unlike the stuff the athletic comes up with. 
 

Couple of things I did not know 

1) Saleh’s representative said they don’t feel conversations between Rodgers and Woody led to his firing. Confirmed what Rodgers said on McAfee. 
 

2) Saleh did ask to address the team one more time and Woody nixed it. 
 

3) It seems like the players generally liked Saleh (especially the defense). 
 

4) Woody felt boxed in by Rodgers as the sole reason he kept Saleh. He wanted to keep Aaron happy. 

5) Woody wanted Saleh to fire Ulbrich after the 2021 season. 
 

Couple of things  of note

#4 is a huge indictment on Woody. How can an owner allow a player to have that much control? Especially a player who has done nothing for the franchise and will only be here a year or two. 
 

I actually believe that Woody didn’t tell Rodgers he was firing Saleh when they spoke on Monday. Based on this article he really does come across as a huge coward that didn’t want to confront anyone in the organization. 
 

The players think Woody is a clown

 

 

Look Woody is a problematic Owner at best, to say the least!

I mean come on...

Why not let Saleh Address the team?  Saleh was loyal to Woody and Co. for 4 years and you have him escorted out of the building like he sexually molested someone?  That is a Clown move!

I mean you can want to break up with your girlfriend, but you don't throw her down a flight of steps to do it!

How you do things matter... They do!

Think of what Sauce Gardner said!

Gardner, who said, "I'm going to be completely honest. With what we've been saying [as a team], we're doing it for him still."

A Clown show...

[Grandy]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

A thing Cimini has said on his pod a few times that I found interesting is that Woody forcing Rex Hogan out over money hasn’t sat well with people in the building. Said he was a respected, popular guy. Woody has literally never done anything right, so him deciding to fire anyone by himself is probably a bad move. 

Thank goodness Baseball exists.