JonEJet Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 And admit you're WRONG Seems as if Mr Clemens doesn't have the "it" factor If you need a definition of "it" ask BP. He knows what "it" is now Guys that have "it" normally do not get demoted to #3 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....html#?eref=T1 Dr. Z>INSIDE THE NFL Postcard from camp: Jets SI.com has dispatched 10 writers to report on the 32 NFL training camps across the country. For the complete schedule of postcards, click here. Setting the Scene And what a scene it was Saturday, when Brett Favre came down from his mountaintop and anointed the Jets and their fans. First the numbers. Announced fan attendance to see No.4's debut was 10,500. Normal figure is 2,500. Announced number of media credentials issued, 100, up from the normal 25-30. I beg to take issue with the first figure. The bleachers are long and low-slung, with only about 10 rows. I did a quick calculation, tallying fans per small section and then multiplying by how many sections in the bleachers. I got 3,000 fans. I was told that others were milling around outside, which was probably true because you could here the moos and oinks. Anyway -- 10,500? Naah. They're pumping the numbers for publicity or some unknown motive. But those people were loud, and good natured (wait until the Favre Jets lose a few). As far as media credentials, which means us dudes...could be. The little press room in the training complex was swollen to bursting. People who have a short history with this franchise were overcome by the Saturday turnout. The few old timers present who go back to the Namath era were mildly interested but not overwhelmed, because the old Joe Willie circuses could match any that have taken place since. First a bit of history. When your faithful narrator became the NY Post's beat man on the Jets, in 1966, the training camp was a hellhole in Peekskill, NY. Players filed regular protests about the food. The dinnertime staples were rock-hard hamburgers, nicknamed "sinkers," and mysterious hotdogs, and you don't want to know what they were called. Players' dorms were not air conditioned. The screens had holes. Once I saw a group of flies trying to drag a rookie cornerback out of his room. One of them said, "Better hide him before the big ones get here." Mosquitos were so big they could stand flat-footed and mate with turkeys. And then in 1968, the Super Bowl year, nirvana! The club moved to its present summer location, Hofstra University in Hempstead, LI. Real dorms, co-ed in that first year, oboy! Namath was always finding reasons not to be in camp. The Bachelors III flap in '69, various retirements and absences and unretirements in the years following. And then, kaboom, he'd show up at camp, like a flash, and the fans and the media became a great swelling ocean. And not the kind of media we saw last Saturday. We're talking about the mod, the hip, emissaries of the Age of Aquarius. Many more women than there are nowadays, accredited magazine writers from Penthouse and Playboy, rock magazines, Rolling Stone and rolling stoned. A great, throbbing, thumping happening out there in the Hempstead toolies. Sorry, Brett, but your debut was well attended and fairly noisy, but nothing like the old days. Three Observations Favre was unremarkable as far as his accuracy or lack of same in his first workout with the team. He completed his share of shorties, hit an occasional bomb, which drew enthusiastic cheers from the fans. Rusty? Perhaps, but I don't really know becsuse I never saw him in camp during his Packer days. Upgraded enthusiasm by his teammates, during the drills, because of the presence of a surefire Hall of Famer? I don't think the drills were any crisper than the ones Chad Pennington ran. Many of the fans seemed almost mesmerized, starstruck actually, and these are some of the league's tougher ones. "Oh my God, I've always been a Brett Favre fan," said Kelly Schoenenberger, a 25-year old realtor who drove all the way from Montville, NJ, to attend practice, "and can you believe that in another month he's going to be out in our neighborhood in Florham Park?" September is when the Hofstra operation closes down and the Jets establish permanent residence in Jersey. Still waiting for a catchy name for the club's parade of mercenaries led by Favre, big name players, most of whose careers have already crested. DT Kris Jenkins, G Alan Faneca, T Damien Woody TE Bubba Franks, plus Calvin Pace, a LB with real upside potential. I can't think of anything original. Suggestions would be welcome. New Face, New Place No, I'm not going to keep flogging the Favre trade and the parade of stars. This is something to file away for future reference. In a very quiet footnote to the Favre debut, Brett Ratliff, the third QB, was moved up to No.2. He's a big (6-4, 235) strong guy with a rocket arm. Last year he came as a free agent and taxied. Almost cut two times. The coaching staff basically is keeping quiet about this guy, but they have real hopes for him, once the Favre madness has played itself out in a year or two. Almost lost between the arrival of Favre and the bursts of lightning in Cleveland Thursday night was the pair of TD bombs (70 and 71 yards) Ratliff unloaded to David Clowney in the 24-20 win. Looking at the Schedule It's a steal. It would be hard to finish up worse than 10-6, even with Chad Pennington still running the offense. The toughest part comes in the beginning -- Dolphins, Patriots, Chargers, which could start the Jets at 1-2. And while the fans are drafting their nasty letters, the team plays six straight against clubs with non-winning records last year. Time for sober reflection with Tennessee and New England next up, but the schedule eases again with a final quintet featuring four softies (Bills, Broncos and Dolphins at home, 49ers on the road) plus a tough roadie in Seattle. Memorable Image from Camp The good old Hempstead Turnpike on the way home, after a frantic six hours on the superstar circuit. Parting Shots Randy Lange, editor and chief of the Jets' website, NYJets.com, told me half his letters, following the Favre trade, came from Wisconsin. Bitter? Angry? Warlike? I wanted to know. "No," he said. "Sad, and they were like Stepford fans ... almost all of them said the same thing. 'Take care of him.'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Wow, didn't see that he was demoted. Kellen really looks like a bust in the making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 WE all hope he pans out...but progress is starting to worrry all of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 This is one Clemens supporter who will admit I was totally wrong about this guy. Thank GOD Favre fell into our laps and Ratliff may turn out good. I am usually pretty good at calling mid round gems early (Coles, McKenzie, Cotchery, Rhodes), but I completely blew it on KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 If Ratliff pans out, and Clemens busts, have to consider that a wash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Chad would was beating him out. that's scary. I hope Clemens comes around and pans out, I would hate to have waisted that pick on a backup or worse. If that does happen Raty needs to really continue to blossom for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I was a Clemens fan because Pennington was so awful. but I'll admit it, Clemens surely has sucked so far in TC. I still wouldn't give up on him though. Are you happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 I was a Clemens fan because Pennington was so awful. but I'll admit it, Clemens surely has sucked so far in TC. I still wouldn't give up on him though. Are you happy now? No, not really Because I wanted him to work out too Lets hope for Ratty....because Favre is 1 and done my man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Still not ready to give up on the guy....hope he gets it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETROCK Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Who knows, by next year the 3 QBs may be Favre, Ratliff & Ainge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 Who knows, by next year the 3 QBs may be QB XXXX, Ratliff & Ainge. Fixed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 No, not really Because I wanted him to work out too Lets hope for Ratty....because Favre is 1 and done my man I think Favre's future depends on how this year ends. if he sucks and the Jets suck, he retires. if he's successful and likes playing here, he plays another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I think Favre's future depends on how this year ends. if he sucks and the Jets suck, he retires. if he's successful and likes playing here, he plays another year. This is one of the reasons why I was so against the trade. He better not do to us what he did to GB, he completely ****ed around with that teams QB sitaution and stability. That was with a very talented team that he loved playing for for 16 years, I don't see what would stop him ****ing us over too at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 This is one of the reasons why I was so against the trade. He better not do to us what he did to GB, he completely ****ed around with that teams QB sitaution and stability. That was with a very talented team that he loved playing for for 16 years, I don't see what would stop him ****ing us over too at the end of the season. If you're prepared for it, it's not screwing you over. The problem was GB was not prepared. Send a trainer down to Mississippi and let him work out. If he chooses to retire anyway, well you lost the salary/expenses of the trainer. If not, he's ready to go. Sure, they had to decide on another QB without knowing for 100% certain if Favre was playing, that's true, but anyone can do this to you at any time. He didn't screw anyone over. He decided to retire and then he changed his mind. The way GB handled it was the poor part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 If you're prepared for it, it's not screwing you over. The problem was GB was not prepared. Send a trainer down to Mississippi and let him work out. If he chooses to retire anyway, well you lost the salary/expenses of the trainer. If not, he's ready to go. Sure, they had to decide on another QB without knowing for 100% certain if Favre was playing, that's true, but anyone can do this to you at any time. He didn't screw anyone over. He decided to retire and then he changed his mind. The way GB handled it was the poor part. No, they gave him two chances to change his mind and he could not commit to it. When he finally did come back they had already commited themselves to moving forward with Aaron Rodgers, I don't know how Favre could possibly think he was going to waltz back in and just get his job handed to him after turning it down twice, and after Green Bay commiting to Rodgers. Green Bay were right to do what they did IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Clemens was a great pick in hindsight: if he was only slightly better, we wouldn't have Favre today. I can rationalize anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I still think Clemens has potential. He is gettng shafted with his situation though. His only play last year was completely overshadowed by the horrible oline play. He was supposed to breakout this year but of course that aint gonna happen with Farve here and after Ratliffs performance on Thurs didnt help. Hes gotta shine from here on out to make up lost ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.S. Dylan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Yeah i wanted kellen, oh well. We have favre now and i couldn't be happier. Not really sure I see the point of this thread though, I thought we were done debating qb's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KudosForND Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I was a Clemens fan because Pennington was so awful. but I'll admit it, Clemens surely has sucked so far in TC. I still wouldn't give up on him though. Are you happy now? can't say it better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Brett Ratliff, the third QB, was moved up to No.2. He's a big (6-4, 235) strong guy with a rocket arm. Last year he came as a free agent and taxied. Almost cut two times. The coaching staff basically is keeping quiet about this guy, but they have real hopes for him, once the Favre madness has played itself out in a year or two. IF this is true then you can say "bye-bye" to Erik Ainge unless he's cut, clears waivers and resigned to the Practice Squad. Bye bye Noodle Arm Jr!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 IF this is true then you can say "bye-bye" to Erik Ainge unless he's cut, clears waivers and resigned to the Practice Squad. Bye bye Noodle Arm Jr!!! Frankly, I would not be surprised if Clemens is the one that is cut. Ainge might go on IR though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Overreact much, JonE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 IF this is true then you can say "bye-bye" to Erik Ainge unless he's cut, clears waivers and resigned to the Practice Squad. Bye bye Noodle Arm Jr!!! ainge had pinky surgery this summer, i could see him going to IR and then competing during OTA's and mini-camp once favre re-retires for a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I was never wrong in supporting Clemens, he was and still is the better option to Chad Pennington. But, that is like saying the **** I took today is better than the **** I took yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 When KC was the ONLY viable way out of Chadiocrity - I was pulling for him like crazy. He's shown he has the arm to make all the throws necessary to be a good NFL QB and has logged some good minutes in regular season games. Whether he makes it or not is anybodys guess. I think that spread back O he played in college might have masked some real weakness's he has. I wish him the best and I'll continue to pull for him, but with Ratliff looking serviceable, the Jets and my selfish personal need for him to succeed was cut by 99% the second they started passing out kleenex at the hotel in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 Overreact much, JonE? This coming from the leader of the Kellen and his Clemonettes fan club?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I was a Clemens fan because Pennington was so awful. but I'll admit it, Clemens surely has sucked so far in TC. I still wouldn't give up on him though. Are you happy now? +1 Well said, BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 All the power to Ratliff. Gotta like how he's looked so far this year and if he's the man for #2, then too f-ing bad for KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Kellen >> Chad .....I still feel the same way about this, Your Boy Chad got released But I will admit that I didn't see Ratliff breaking out and Bumping Kellen to the 3rd Qb on the depth Chart Just because he threw two Bomb's in a preseason Game.I still have faith In "The Kid". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Clemens has to start to show some progress or we will have to admit our mistake with him as a 2nd round choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Of Bavaria Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Joey Harrington > Kellen Clemens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 KC fans getting off the Bus Is that you Dooshey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Kellen Clemens sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyJET2280 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I hope this is not like last season where Kellan supporters wanted him to be starter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 When KC was the ONLY viable way out of Chadiocrity - I was pulling for him like crazy. He's shown he has the arm to make all the throws necessary to be a good NFL QB and has logged some good minutes in regular season games. Whether he makes it or not is anybodys guess. I think that spread back O he played in college might have masked some real weakness's he has. I wish him the best and I'll continue to pull for him, but with Ratliff looking serviceable, the Jets and my selfish personal need for him to succeed was cut by 99% the second they started passing out kleenex at the hotel in Cleveland. now theres a great post that captures my sentiments. I was basically a blind clemens hopeful. I've seen what chad offers. I was pulling for clemens since without being at camp, felt there was at least an upside to what he could do. & ya know what? there is still an upside i'm sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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