Chan Gailey to be OC (per SNY) (MERGED)

[jetsrebirth]

Even just bring bad at the right time is luck. Indy being the greatest example.

I think finding gems in the 2nd and 3rd round is a scouting skill for sure but still a bit of luck involved with drafting them. Broadway having a hard on for Wilson or Wolf when he was a jet having a hard on for Farve... two times our scouting was spot on but we were unable to land the player

 

How many of the top QB's today are in place because the team sucked at the right time?

 

Only one I can think of is the Colts and Luck.

 

Not necessarily in order:

 

Pack/Rodgers went second half of the first round

Pats/Brady 6th round

Colts/Luck sucked at the right time

Denver/Manning FA signing

Saints/Brees FA signing

Seahawks/Wilson 3rd round draft pick

Steelers/Rapist Middle of first round

Ravens/Flacco Trade to middle of first round

Giants/Eli Manning trade

Cowboys/Romo undrafted FA

 

 

This is arguably the top 10 QB's, basically one of them was due to sucking at the right time.

 

Its not only about finding gems in the 2nd and 3rd round, its being able to know that you cannot build your team around certain players. The Jets traded up to a high slot to draft Sanchez, who was not worthy, and they did a piss poor job of developing on top of that.

 

Sitting around waiting to get lucky with a QB is akin to trying to get rich by winning the lottery. It could happen, but its a dumb strategy.

[jack48]

rookie head coach, bring in a seasoned guy to run his o and give him some bench coach advice.. this looks like a very solid hire to me...

 

if he runs the spread, we might actually get something out of geno if we have to stick with him.. and/or maybe MM slips or we move up and he fits right into this systems concepts..

 

good start by bowles

and it might be a case of grooming a younger guy to take over for Gailey in a year or two

[SouthernJet]

sorry if already posted, ,what to expect from Gailey,,appears we need WRs with YAC ability,,re sign Harvin a MUST

 

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2012/6/21/3105714/buffalo-bills-offense-chan-gailey-spread

 

A Discussion Of Chan Gailey's Buffalo Bills Offense

By Brian Galliford  @BrianGalliford on Jun 21 2012, 12:15p 104 

May 11, 2012; Orchard Park, NY, USA; Buffalo Bills head coach Chan Gailey watches players during rookie mini camp at Ralph Wilson Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Timothy T. Ludwig-US PRESSWIRE

 

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In the latest of a series of posts in which I address questions submitted by readers, a young man named Ben asked the following question (or, more accurately, simply made an observation) earlier this week: "Mr. G, I think a post describing the offense that Chan Gailey runs would be very interesting."

I would tend to agree, of course; hence this post. But describing any NFL offense is not a particularly easy feat, let alone the Buffalo Bills offense that Gailey has installed over the last two-plus years. But hey, it's June, and we're positively made of time right now. It can't hurt to try to cram the essence of an entire pro football offense into one blog post, right?

After the jump, I've tried to break down my observations and opinions of Gailey's offense into three main components: space, disguise and niches. (Warning: this is a very long post, and the prototype for why things like Instapaper exist.)

SPACE

Whenever Gailey's offense is discussed in more general terms, the word "spread" is often referenced. Yes, Gailey's passing offense uses a lot of spread concepts with multiple receivers, but that's only part of the bigger truth: his entire offense begins with the need for space.

Gailey himself has mentioned that the design of his offense is meant to stretch the field horizontally, i.e. from sideline to sideline. The team also made an effort to improve their personnel to help them stretch the field vertically, as well, in the form of speedy wide receivers T.J. Graham and David Clowney.

This concept is not remotely unique to Gailey, because, well, any football player in any offense at any level is going to need space to operate. The more space, the better - and Gailey's offense, along with many other much higher-octane offenses in the NFL and in college, utilize spread concepts to maximize the amount of space that skill players have to operate in.

The base theory of Gailey's Bills offense is simple: get players into space, get them the ball, and let them do what they do best. As such, his running offense is zone-based and prominently features shotgun formations, traps and weak-side runs, while his passing offense is highly reliant on shorter throws, screen passes, and the ability for receivers to pick up yardage after the catch. Power runs? Play-action? Seven-step drops, deep throws and brute physicality? You're far less likely to find them here than in more traditional offensive systems.

DISGUISE

The word is a bit of a misnomer, but only because it applies to a specific portion of Gailey's offense - everything that happens in the minute or so between snaps.

It's helped me tremendously to think of Gailey's offense as a sort of inverted pyramid, which journalism students use to prioritize the importance of facts in writing a news story (in a nutshell: important facts first, filler later). The concept is applicable to anything, really; in this case, I think of the top level (the level with the most breadth) as personnel packages, the middle level as formations and motions, and the bottom level (the "smallest" group, for lack of a better term) as actual play calls.

Maybe this will be simpler for some: Gailey's offense is complex only in the sense that it uses a variety of different personnel groupings, formations and motions to execute the same play calls. Without having direct access to the playbook, I'm willing to bet that more so than any other playbook you're likely to find, there's a higher ratio of "how many different ways can we run this one play" than in other systems. In short: lots of formations and motions, lots of personnel groupings, not as many actual plays.

It all starts with personnel groupings, and it's there where the most demanding aspect of Gailey's offense lies: players need to know the responsibilities of multiple roles on a given play call, and be able to execute those assignments on game day. That's especially true at receiver, where - as an example - the rookie Graham is currently learning four different positions.

The versatility borne of this demand of Gailey's allows the team flexibility in running several different formations with the same personnel group. This helps them better disguise their intentions, as Gailey's offense is largely a "bread and butter" offense - they run what they're good at, try a few new things once in a while, and eliminate what they're not good at. His offense is simple in its execution, but is also constantly evolving.

NICHES

As a quick aside before we get into the third category: this is a good spot to talk about the offensive line, as well. Their role in the passing offense is fairly straight-forward (don't let Ryan Fitzpatrick get sacked), so we'll ignore that; in the run game, you'll often see guards and centers pulling - along with trapping tight ends and receivers - to generate creases in the running game. It's a zone-blocking scheme, and the Bills feature two running backs that are either not very big (C.J. Spiller), or are able to "get skinny" in the hole (Fred Jackson). The sheer size of the line - especially the tackles - helps disguise some play execution, to an extent, in the running game. (As an example: if Spiller is running to the right, sometimes it's just flat-out difficult for defenders to see him until he's run by Erik Pears.)

This may explain the team's preference for mass rather than athleticism in the players it's acquired. For the record, however, three of the Bills' projected starting linemen (Cordy Glenn, Andy Levitre and Eric Wood) are all very mobile players, and Gailey has taken good advantage of said mobility with Levitre and Wood in the run game.

We'll get into why I believe Gailey's offense has evolved to the point where niches are crucial in a bit. For now, the bigger point is this: in terms of personnel, Gailey is highly reliant on niches, which can be broken down into roles first and specialists second.

When Buffalo's offense has been at its best under Gailey, it's been operating out of a three-receiver, one-tight end and one-back set. This coming season, that five-man personnel package could feature, for example: Stevie Johnson, Donald Jones, David Nelson, Scott Chandler and Fred Jackson.

Gailey has leaned heavily on two types of receiving roles: "outside" guys (i.e. split ends and flankers) and "inside" guys (i.e. slot receivers and tight ends). This personnel grouping has worked out well largely because the two "inside" guys - Nelson and Chandler - are highly interchangeable, and thus help disguise some play calls. (They're also decent blockers, which helps Gailey design blocking schemes to aid the line.) The team appears to be heading toward a similar situation with outside receivers, where Johnson, Jones and Derek Hagan can all be moved around (i.e. play both outside, but also sneak inside on occasion). Assuming that Jones and Hagan can contribute consistently, this will allow the team to put Johnson in more positions to make plays out of the slot, where he is explosive.

Roles leave cracks, however, and Gailey fills them in with specialists. On occasion, the team will need a blocking specialist, so he'll call on either fullback Corey McIntyre or tight end Lee Smith. The team signed free agent Brad Smith with the idea of building an entirely new Wildcat package around him - and when they were actually able to use it in 2011, it provided a useful additional wrinkle to the offense. As we speak, the team is trying out street free agent Dorin Dickerson in an H-Back role that the team has apparently been looking to experiment with.

A big question mark that I've harped on all off-season can be applied to "roles," as well: so far, we haven't seen a Gailey offense that features two prominent running back roles. Will he be able to mold two roles to accommodate two starting-level backs in Jackson or Spiller, or will the two backs have to, essentially, split one role?

The idea of niches would seem to contradict the idea of disguise: if a player is asked to know multiple roles in the playbook, how can a player like Nelson, for example, be shoe-horned into one specific role? The answer is fairly simple: as much as he can, Gailey gets the ball to his skill players in positions where he knows they'll excel. Everything else is window dressing, disguised to increase the efficiency of the offense by a) having everyone on the same page, and disguising intent.

Why has Gailey's offense evolved with such a high reliance on niches? I believe it comes down to the organization's philosophy that a competitive offense can be fielded without sacrificing large resources (whereas, on defense, they clearly believe that to keep up with the modern offense, you need to spend high-quality resources on exceptional athletes). Take a look at the skill players that are expected to be prominently featured this year, and how they were acquired:

 

• QB Ryan Fitzpatrick: inherited from previous regime (former Round 7 pick)
• RB Fred Jackson: inherited (former undrafted free agent)
• RB C.J. Spiller: Round 1 pick
• WR Stevie Johnson: inherited (former Round 7 pick)
• WR David Nelson: undrafted free agent
• WR Donald Jones: undrafted free agent
• WR Derek Hagan: street free agent
• TE Scott Chandler: street free agent

That's not to say that the Bills are averse to putting resources into the offense, of course. Fitzpatrick, Johnson and Jackson have all gotten lucrative contract extensions from the team, and Spiller was a Top 10 pick. Right now, however, the team's top-level personnel dictates that Gailey work his offense in this fashion. If he were still fortunate enough to coach Calvin Johnson - a guy that can't be stopped no matter how ill-disguised a play is - I'm certain the offense would look different.

Whew. If you made it down here, you're a trooper. While I go contemplate my future with carpal tunnel, leave your comments below, and I'll return at some point to answer anyone's questions. One last reminder: keep in mind that this is just my interpretation of Gailey's offense. I'd be interested in hearing anyone else's, as well!

 

[JetsFanatic]

I think it's important to have a guy like Gailey when you have an inexperienced HC. He is a veteran who will help Bowles steer through all the issues a new HC must face.  I think over time Gailey may be replaced, but initially I think it's a good hire.  Boomer said as much on his radio show this morning.

[derp]

Well. Spiller is a talented runner-- but he gets hurt a lot.  Obviously we will rid ourselves of CJ00K..... if fact , most of Idzik picks will be discarded..... except for Ivory and Sheldon.

 

 I hope we have a great draft for once... QB, CB, OT, FS......... yipes, we need almost everything.!

 

ILB, OLB, RB, G, WR...it's quite a list. Pretty much everything but C and DL, and even that assumes Snacks is brought back.

[KRL]

Another article about Gailey's offense and it's concepts.  It does sound similar to Chip

Kelly's in PHI:

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/32126/inside-the-buffalo-bills-offense

 

 

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- The NFL's highest-scoring offense might be found in Buffalo, but it was hatched in Pittsburgh.

In the mid-1990s, Buffalo Bills head coach Chan Gailey was a wide receivers coach for the Steelers. Gailey realized he had a deep and talented group, and convinced Pittsburgh -- primarily a running team -- to use more four-receiver sets.

"We kind of evolved to it, to be honest with you," Gailey said. "Ron Erhardt was the offensive coordinator, and we had four really good players. We had Ernie Mills, Andre Hastings, and Charles Johnson and Yancey Thigpen. So we said, 'How can we get them on the field at the same time?'"

The concept helped lead the Steelers to the Super Bowl after the 1995 season. Sixteen years later, Gailey's spread offense is tearing up the NFL once again. The Bills lead the league in scoring with 113 points in three games. Buffalo (3-0) averages 37.7 points per game, is third in total offense and is the only undefeated team in the AFC.

Now, instead of Neil O'Donnell, the Bills have fast-rising quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Thigpen's role as the No. 1 receiver in Gailey's offense is filled by Buffalo's Steve Johnson. Charles Johnson and Hastings are replaced by Donald Jones and David Nelson. Receiver Naaman Roosevelt, tight end Scott Chandler and tailback C.J. Spiller share time as Buffalo's fourth receiver.

Even Kordell "Slash" Stewart, who was used on trick plays by Gailey and Pittsburgh's staff, is comparable to Bills receiver/quarterback/returner Brad Smith. But so far, Buffalo hasn't used many trick plays.

Gailey's system thrives on several core principles. First, by lining up with four receivers, Buffalo is able to "expand the defense." Buffalo's alignment forces defenses to spread out. It creates bigger seams, and makes it easier for the quarterback to read defenses and recognize blitzes.

Fitzpatrick, a Harvard graduate, is one of the smartest quarterbacks in the league. He’s done a great job of reading defenses pre-snap, and changing routes and protection. It's led to Fitzpatrick’s fast start and his earning AFC player of the month honors. He's thrown for 871 yards and nine touchdowns in three games.

"When he's confident, on top of his game and hot, he's really hard to deal with," Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. said of Fitzpatrick. "I don't know if that's going to keep up for 16 games. But he's on fire right now. He's at the pinnacle of his game."

Buffalo's spread also takes defenses out of their comfort zones. Every base defense in the NFL has three or four linebackers. The Bills, with three and four receivers, create tough choices. If opponents stay in their base defense, they have to cover wide receivers with linebackers. If opponents go away from their base defense, some of the better, front-seven players are taken off the field. That makes it easier to run the football. Bills tailback Fred Jackson is fourth in the NFL in rushing yards (303).

It's a catch-22 opponents have yet to figure out.

"Oakland stayed in a lot of base, and we exploited that," Jones said. "David in the middle, if they're going to keep a linebacker on him, that's a mismatch all day. Kansas City did the same thing.

"That's why we do it: to see what the defense is going to do. Are they going to bring in extra corners, or are they going to stay base? We're going to exploit it, whatever it is."

Buffalo's offense works because it defies stereotypes. With spreads, typically you think of big plays in the passing game but also a lot of sacks and struggles running the ball. Fitzpatrick has been sacked just once this season, and Buffalo is fourth in the league in rushing. The Bills average 5.6 yards per carry.

One of the secrets of Buffalo's success has been its receivers' blocking downfield. Buffalo is second in the NFL with six runs of 20 yards or more.

"This is what we tell our receivers: 'Do you want the running back to block the protection when you're running a route so you can catch a pass?'" Gailey said. "If you do, then when he's running the ball, you block for him because we're in this thing together."

Gailey's selfless team concept is working for the Bills. Buffalo usually sends four receivers out on passing plays, and it's Jackson's responsibility to block the extra rusher.

"I don't know if there's a better pass-protecting back in the league with what he does," Fitzpatrick said. "The fans and everybody watching the game, they see his runs, they see what he does after the catch, but that’s the thing that nobody really talks about and that’s what makes him one of the most complete backs in the game.

"He's taken on defensive linemen, he's taken on defensive ends and he's storming linebackers. Whatever it is, he's the best I've played with in terms of picking up blitzes. There are no stats for that."

The success of Buffalo’s offense has permeated the entire team.

Veteran Bills kicker Rian Lindell has seen a lot of bad offenses in his eight seasons in Buffalo. He provided some insight into how this year's offense has changed things.

"I have a kicking shoe that's tighter, so I don't wear it all game," Lindell said. "It used to be, I would wait until we get to midfield or in field goal range until I put it on. Now, if we get the ball on our own 20, 25 or 30, I say, 'I better put the shoe on. It might be a couple plays, and I have to get warmed up.'"

These Bills believe they can score with anyone. They proved it in a 34-31 shootout victory against New England. The Bills fell behind 21-0 in the first half and became the first NFL team to overcome deficits of 18 or more points in back-to-back weeks. Buffalo trailed by 21-3 at halftime of a 38-35 victory over Oakland in Week 2.

The offense is clicking because players better understand the system, Gailey said. In 2010, Gailey's first year in Buffalo, the Bills were ranked No. 25 offensively. They got off to a horrendous 0-8 start but finished the second half of the season 4-4. The Bills are 7-4 in their past 11 games.

Surprisingly, Buffalo's offensive playbook is not huge, players say. Gailey puts an emphasis on keeping things manageable. He believes that if everyone knows exactly what he's doing, the plays will work and it's easier to hold players accountable.

Many question whether the Bills, a four-win team in 2010, have the staying power to remain in contention. Much of it rests on this offense's ability to perform at a high level over 16 games.

Through three weeks, Buffalo is on pace to score 602 points this season. That would break the NFL record set by the Patriots (589) in 2007.

"I don't know if we'll set records this year," Gailey said. "But it'd be nice if we did."

[CTM]

How many of the top QB's today are in place because the team sucked at the right time?

 

Only one I can think of is the Colts and Luck.

 

Not necessarily in order:

 

Pack/Rodgers went second half of the first round

Pats/Brady 6th round

Colts/Luck sucked at the right time

Denver/Manning FA signing

Saints/Brees FA signing

Seahawks/Wilson 3rd round draft pick

Steelers/Rapist Middle of first round

Ravens/Flacco Trade to middle of first round

Giants/Eli Manning trade

Cowboys/Romo undrafted FA

 

 

This is arguably the top 10 QB's, basically one of them was due to sucking at the right time.

 

Its not only about finding gems in the 2nd and 3rd round, its being able to know that you cannot build your team around certain players. The Jets traded up to a high slot to draft Sanchez, who was not worthy, and they did a piss poor job of developing on top of that.

 

Sitting around waiting to get lucky with a QB is akin to trying to get rich by winning the lottery. It could happen, but its a dumb strategy.

 

Eli was when the Giants had the 4th pick = luck, Big Rape.. Steelers had a need and a higher draft pick during the best QB draft since 83, timing = luck

 

FA signings Brees and Manning = both came after their former teams were sh*tty and drafted a good QB at #1, luck that they were even available.

 

Brady 6th Round , Romo undrafted = luck.. Nobody on either staff thought they were going to be who they were the day they acquired them.

 

Basically all of it is an element of luck, yes of course there is skill involved, for instance,  knowing to keep a guy on the roster like Parcells did with Romo (although I'd argue it becomes a near no brainer AFTER you acquire them and watch them practice). On the flip side, the Jets are stupid for trading up for Sanchez who profiled as Akili Smith in the pros.. 

[slats]

I think this is the best option to get the offense going on the right path. Seems like an overall competent, focused coach who is going to bring a professional approach into the lockerroom. I doubt he's the long term solution though, I could be wrong but I'm thinking both sides know this may be a couple years gig most for Gailey.

  

He's never been a coordinator for more than two years in his career, so if he takes the job, it's unlikely that he'd get to a third year coming out of retirement at 63.

Looking at his record, he's never had a dominant offense as a coordinator. In his defense, however, he's never really had great talent to work with, either. He's been associated with some good teams with his middle of the pack offenses, so maybe he knows how to field an offense to compliment a strong defense. Limit the turnovers, and maximize the points vs. yards.

And don't get the lust for Spiller. He's been a bust. I'd sign him for bust money, but I wouldn't guarantee him anything (money or playing time). Also wouldn't let his signing stop me from drafting a RB.

Tyler Thigpen for crying out loud!

On a 2-14 Herm Edwards team, lol. Really, not something that screams out at you on a resumé.

[Integrity28]

May have already been posted, but I like the Rotoworld write-up on this:

 

Chan Gailey - C - Jets

Jets hired Chan Gailey as offensive coordinator.

Gailey, 63, has been out of the league since being fired as the Bills' head coach following the 2012 season, but he was Bowles' top choice to run the offense. Gailey went 16-32 across three seasons in Buffalo, but was able to make Ryan Fitzpatrick a serviceable starting quarterback and squeezed 1,703 total yards and eight touchdowns on 250 touches out of C.J. Spiller in an electrifying 2012 campaign. If the Jets choose to keep Percy Harvin at his $10.5 million salary, it could mean big things for him. Gailey likes to spread his offense out and run fast. He was Chip Kelly before Chip Kelly was a thing. We like the hire for the Jets.

 

 

Todd Bowles - DT - Jets

Jets hired Todd Bowles as head coach.

Bowles, 51, is coming home, as he's from Elizabeth, New Jersey and played his college ball at Temple. Bowles has been the Cardinals' defensive coordinator the past two seasons after holding the same title in Philadelphia and Miami prior to his gig in Arizona. The Cardinals fielded the league's No. 6 total defense in 2013 before injuries and suspensions ripped up the 2014 club. Bowles is still a maximizer of talent and puts his players in the best position to succeed. His top task is hiring a bright offensive mind to right the Jets' offense.

[Integrity28]

  

He's never been a coordinator for more than two years in his career, so if he takes the job, it's unlikely that he'd get to a third year coming out of retirement at 63.

Looking at his record, he's never had a dominant offense as a coordinator. In his defense, however, he's never really had great talent to work with, either. He's been associated with some good teams with his middle of the pack offenses, so maybe he knows how to field an offense to compliment a strong defense. Limit the turnovers, and maximize the points vs. yards.

And don't get the lust for Spiller. He's been a bust. I'd sign him for bust money, but I wouldn't guarantee him anything (money or playing time). Also wouldn't let his signing stop me from drafting a RB.

On a 2-14 Herm Edwards team, lol. Really, not something that screams out at you on a resumé.

 

I think the point on Gailey is he can make lemonade.

[68JET11]

Baylor’s offense stretches the field vertically, but what makes the Bears especially tough to defend is the fact that coach Art Briles stretches the field horizontally more than anyone else in the country. Baylor can throw to speedy receivers on the outside, or, with the middle of the field open because the defense is spread so thin, slam an opponent with a physical line

 

Wish list:

 

CJ Spiller

Amari Cooper

Bryce Petty

Mike Iupati

 

I just got a thrill up my leg.

 

 

Initially I didn't like the Gailey hiring because I remember him from his HC days in BUF.  But

after reading the breakdown article earlier in the thread (great find) I can see why Bowles

hired him.  It shows Bowles has studied our personnel and has a vision for our offense.

Gailey's system sounds like what Smith is used to at W. Va and I definitely think we'll

be looking at Bryce Petty in the draft

Gotta completely agree that Bryce Petty should be looked at. He might not be as fast running as Mariota, but he's got a better arm IMO... If we have the opportunity take Cooper, if not try and trade back with Eagles so he can have Mariota, get extra picks... We need good OL, and I could see getting Petty in like the 2nd, or hopefully the 3rd round.

[jetsrebirth]

Eli was when the Giants had the 4th pick = luck, Big Rape.. Steelers had a need and a higher draft pick during the best QB draft since 83, timing = luck

 

FA signings Brees and Manning = both came after their former teams were sh*tty and drafted a good QB at #1, luck that they were even available.

 

Brady 6th Round , Romo undrafted = luck.. Nobody on either staff thought they were going to be who they were the day they acquired them.

 

Basically all of it is an element of luck, yes of course there is skill involved, for instance,  knowing to keep a guy on the roster like Parcells did with Romo (although I'd argue it becomes a near no brainer AFTER you acquire them and watch them practice). On the flip side, the Jets are stupid for trading up for Sanchez who profiled as Akili Smith in the pros.. 

 

OK, so its more like the quick pick on the pick 6 lottery, got it. Got any good numbers for tonight's lotto?

[jetrider]

cannot have all newbies.  the guy has been to conference championships, no?

 

That AFCCG was with the Kordell Stewart Steelers in '97. Lost 24-21. 

 

They lost the previous year in Divisional round 3-28 against the Pats.

 

He's been around, that's for sure:

 

Was Elway's OC when Denver was blown out 55-10 by SF in '89 SB.

 

Gailey had other big stage whiffs with Dallas and Miami: 

 

Dallas (HC): '98 WC loss 7-20; '99 WC loss 10-27

 

Miami (OC): '00 DIV loss 0-27; '01 WC loss 3-20 

 

Maybe he's a choker but he brings a veteran presence to the CS.

[Beerfish]

This is the one hire I'm not fussy at all about.  In any case Galley is instantly the least popular person in the org.  This fan base turns on ocs so fast it is hilarious.

 

I always marveled at the OC's constantly being throw under the bus by the fans and yet Rex being given excuses for lack of talent.  Rex does without top notch CB's for a year?  The ocs have had to put up with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith for years.

 

Good luck Chan you are going to need it.  I see him lasting about 6 games before the fans start blaming him for everything under the sun.

[68JET11]

If Gailey brings the knowledge of his offense, and Bowles and Gailey hire good offensive assistants that learn the system then maybe the Gailey hire isn't such a bad thing and actually can turn out to be a good hire. Plus is any of those assistants are the agreesive type like Bowles we can always promote from within once they think the system is in place and Gailey wants to re-retire. Plus that gives him (Bowles) a few years experience as a head coach.

[nj meadowlands]

Ivory / Spiller backfield anyone?

[jetsrebirth]

This is the one hire I'm not fussy at all about.  In any case Galley is instantly the least popular person in the org.  This fan base turns on ocs so fast it is hilarious.

 

I always marveled at the OC's constantly being throw under the bus by the fans and yet Rex being given excuses for lack of talent.  Rex does without top notch CB's for a year?  The ocs have had to put up with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith for years.

 

Good luck Chan you are going to need it.  I see him lasting about 6 games before the fans start blaming him for everything under the sun.

 

While this is prolly true, none of these unpopular OC's have really done anything anywhere else, where the fans look like they were wrong.

[Beerfish]

While this is prolly true, none of these unpopular OC's have really done anything anywhere else, where the fans look like they were wrong.

Oh I'm not saying I was a big fan of Shotty or anything but he was as responsible as much as Rex Ryan for two afc title games.  My beef is the total inequity that the OC's are looked at as opposed to the hc, or dc etc.  OC is a lightning rod for us as fans and the oc is usually to blame even if they have almost no talent to deal with.

[CTM]

OK, so its more like the quick pick on the pick 6 lottery, got it. Got any good numbers for tonight's lotto?

 

Yes that is what I said.

 

There isn't a coach alive who has been able to "coach up" or find top Qb's everywhere he went. There is a litany of hot shot OC's who went on to fail elsewhere without the guy who made them under center, but this doesn't mean there is no element of luck involved.. These guys just completely forget sometimes how to coach, develop and select QB's, like Mornhinweg, who was pro drafting Geno and his only coach. 

[FidelioJet]

IMHO - The Gaily hire is a great move. 

 

He's a veteran OC that has shown the ability to win with less

With a new, defensive minded HC, having an OC that's been a HC will be helpful

His offense is a spread passing attack (if there's a chance to get something out of Geno it's a good system)

He's probably a short term OC (and knows it) that will hopefully be willing to groom a replacement.

 

Additionally, seeing Bowles make this hire, to me, shows that he has confidence in himself and is willing to bring in an OC that has more HC experience and he's not intimidated by that.  A less confident person would bring in the QB coach of the moment...This says something about Bowles to me.

 

Not sure why there's so much concern about this hire.  I actually love it.

[afosomf]

Harvin is overrated/overpaid garbage, there is a reason he is being passed around league like a 2bit hooker.

 

Spiller is way better option if available

[FidelioJet]

Harvin is overrated/overpaid garbage, there is a reason he is being passed around league like a 2bit hooker.

 

Spiller is way better option if available

 

Garbage is probably an over-statement - but he's certainly not worth $10mm and won't get that from anyone.  I would offer him $5mm guaranteed or let him go.  Let someone else over pay him.

[JiFtheOracle]

I think it's important to have a guy like Gailey when you have an inexperienced HC. He is a veteran who will help Bowles steer through all the issues a new HC must face.  I think over time Gailey may be replaced, but initially I think it's a good hire.  Boomer said as much on his radio show this morning.

 

I used to think that getting OC's with HC'ing experience is a huge bonus, especially for coaches who know nothing about offense...but then we saw how that worked out with Sparano and Marty.

 

The bottom line is the QB position but Gailey does nothing for me...but whatever. Hopefully I'm wrong and he can turn this offense around because I dont expect Bowles too. 

[peebag]

Jake Locker FA......

 

Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State

Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.

Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

Projected Round (2015): 2-4.

 

#4 Sean Mannion

Position: Quarterback Height: 6'5" Weight: 227 Year: Senior Hometown: Pleasanton, Calif. High School: Foothill HS Experience: 3 Letters

[slats]

If Gailey brings the knowledge of his offense, and Bowles and Gailey hire good offensive assistants that learn the system then maybe the Gailey hire isn't such a bad thing and actually can turn out to be a good hire. Plus is any of those assistants are the agreesive type like Bowles we can always promote from within once they think the system is in place and Gailey wants to re-retire. Plus that gives him (Bowles) a few years experience as a head coach.

  

The fact that Gailey is almost certainly an instant short-timer is part of the problem I have with the hire. The Jets need stability on that side of the ball. They need to build something. The parts they have are disjointed. I'd prefer a longer term vision over there to a quick fix.

Your theory here holding true would be a best case scenario. Guess we'll have to see how Gailey fills out his staff to get a better idea.

Oh I'm not saying I was a big fan of Shotty or anything but he was as responsible as much as Rex Ryan for two afc title games.  My beef is the total inequity that the OC's are looked at as opposed to the hc, or dc etc.  OC is a lightning rod for us as fans and the oc is usually to blame even if they have almost no talent to deal with.

Hating OCs around here has been a steady and well-founded tradition. Herm sucked, but that doesn't mean that Hackett or Heimerdinger weren't as bad or worse. Mangini is a psychopath, but that doesn't make Schottenheimer any good. Sparano will never be an offensive coordinator again, and never should've been.

Dan Henning was the last best OC we've had on the Jets, and before him it was Joe Walton. That's the history. Hating the OC the moment he's hired is pragmatic.

[faba]

Tell me who the QB coach is going to be- that is the real problem

[Powpow]

Well. Spiller is a talented runner-- but he gets hurt a lot.  Obviously we will rid ourselves of CJ00K..... if fact , most of Idzik picks will be discarded..... except for Ivory and Sheldon.

 

 I hope we have a great draft for once... QB, CB, OT, FS......... yipes, we need almost everything.!

Please add the following to the get rid of list or trade for reasons such as overpriced, old or just plain sucks......Wilson, Pace, Harris, DBrick, Colon, Geno Smith 

[jack48]

That AFCCG was with the Kordell Stewart Steelers in '97. Lost 24-21. 

 

They lost the previous year in Divisional round 3-28 against the Pats.

 

He's been around, that's for sure:

 

Was Elway's OC when Denver was blown out 55-10 by SF in '89 SB.

 

Gailey had other big stage whiffs with Dallas and Miami: 

 

Dallas (HC): '98 WC loss 7-20; '99 WC loss 10-27

 

Miami (OC): '00 DIV loss 0-27; '01 WC loss 3-20 

 

Maybe he's a choker but he brings a veteran presence to the CS.

I think Elway was probably the only decent QB he had, and that team was compl;eye;y overmatched.

[Klecko73isGod]

Where is the media getting this Chan Gailey stuff from? Based on their resumes Bowles and Gailey have never crossed paths. 

[jetrider]

Oh I'm not saying I was a big fan of Shotty or anything but he was as responsible as much as Rex Ryan for two afc title games.  My beef is the total inequity that the OC's are looked at as opposed to the hc, or dc etc.  OC is a lightning rod for us as fans and the oc is usually to blame even if they have almost no talent to deal with.

 

And I'm so sick of the "no talent to deal with" mantra.

 

Coaches are there to teach and develop skills and to ultimately find success using the talent they have, not the talent they don't have. 

 

In Week 16, Jets had 1st & 10 from the NE 15, the NE 11, the NE 12, and settled for three FGs. And not just that one game, it's been an ongoing routine with Mornhinweg.

 

With the game on the line, 3rd & 4 at the NE 24, Marty called a play that he designed with the key pass block assignment given to 5'-10" Bilal Powell. 

 

Of course the protection failed, Geno got sacked for -10 yards, and Folk's 52-yard potential game winner was blocked. 

 

Everyone blamed Geno. But here we had a 20-year coach with not one functioning cell in his brain running the offense.

[Beerfish]

And I'm so sick of the "no talent to deal with" mantra.

 

Coaches are there to teach and develop skills and to ultimately find success using the talent they have, not the talent they don't have. 

 

In Week 16, Jets had 1st & 10 from the NE 15, the NE 11, the NE 12, and settled for three FGs. And not just that one game, it's been an ongoing routine with Mornhinweg.

 

With the game on the line, 3rd & 4 at the NE 24, Marty called a play that he designed with the key pass block assignment given to 5'-10" Bilal Powell. 

 

Of course the protection failed, Geno got sacked for -10 yards, and Folk's 52-yard potential game winner was blocked. 

 

Everyone blamed Geno. But here we had a 20-year coach with not one functioning cell in his brain running the offense.

Oh so am I fed up with the no talent aspect.  However it is never applied when it should be around here.  It is constantly applied to rex when his D is littered with 1st rounders but is almost never brought up in regards to the offense.  And Geno shouldn't have taken a 10 yard sack.  A non brain dead Qb gets rid of the ball or makes a quick read.  We miss a block, the QB fails to react, the kicker misses the kick and it is all the OC's fault...

[Savage69]

  

The fact that Gailey is almost certainly an instant short-timer is part of the problem I have with the hire. The Jets need stability on that side of the ball. They need to build something. The parts they have are disjointed. I'd prefer a longer term vision over there to a quick fix.

Your theory here holding true would be a best case scenario. Guess we'll have to see how Gailey fills out his staff to get a better idea.

Hating OCs around here has been a steady and well-founded tradition. Herm sucked, but that doesn't mean that Hackett or Heimerdinger weren't as bad or worse. Mangini is a psychopath, but that doesn't make Schottenheimer any good. Sparano will never be an offensive coordinator again, and never should've been.

Dan Henning was the last best OC we've had on the Jets, and before him it was Joe Walton. That's the history. Hating the OC the moment he's hired is pragmatic.

Kotite wasn't bad in 1985-86..LOL

[Warfish]

 

 

#4 Sean Mannion

Position: Quarterback Height: 6'5" Weight: 227 Year: Senior Hometown: Pleasanton, Calif. High School: Foothill HS Experience: 3 Letters

 

 

Despite disdain over this guy, he's my choice of QB for the 2015 Draft.

 

Personally, I think we're too low to get either the Duck or the Rapist, Mannion can be (likely) had in the mid-4th/5th area (i.e. cheap investment), and is a standard pocket passer with size, arm strength, and classic skills (that need some development, so no rush to play him too soon).

 

FA Veteran Journeyman QB #1

Geno Smith #2

Sean Mannion #3

 

In a year, Smith is dumped, Mannion moves to #2 AND/OR we draft another QB.

 

Year #3 Mannion is the #1 OR we play 2014 Drafted QB OR we Draft a QB High in 2016.

 

We should never have a Simms on the roster, a guy with no upside or potential (as seen by the HEad Coach and GM).  

 

Our #3 should ALWAYS be seen as our potential #1 in a year/two.  Otherwise, draft a QB who can be seen that way.

[jetrider]

Oh so am I fed up with the no talent aspect.  However it is never applied when it should be around here.  It is constantly applied to rex when his D is littered with 1st rounders but is almost never brought up in regards to the offense.  And Geno shouldn't have taken a 10 yard sack.  A non brain dead Qb gets rid of the ball or makes a quick read.  We miss a block, the QB fails to react, the kicker misses the kick and it is all the OC's fault...

 

MM designed a play that didn't have a chance. You missed the point.  It was designed to fail (and the worst time to call it).

[Jetlife33]

Ivory / Spiller backfield anyone?

Yes yes yes