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No one knows specifically what the Deflategate punishment will be for Tom Brady, but within Gillette Stadium they are bracing for the worst.

Sources with the Patriots I have spoken with tell me they are fearful of a lengthy suspension, perhaps in the six- to eight-game range, for Brady in the aftermath of the Wells Report.

RELATED: Tom E. Curran: I have a hard time saying the report is a 'knockout'

Of course any suspension can be appealed and the sentence reduced, but certainly losing Tom Brady for even three or four games would be a tremendous blow for the Patriots next season.

The investigation led by Ted Wells into underinflated footballs in the AFC Championship Game concluded "it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware" of inappropriate activities involving the release of air from Patriots game balls." The report exonerated owner Robert Kraft and coach Bill Belichick from any culpability in the incident.

 

 
 
 
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is Teddy Bruschi still on the Patriots payrole?

it seems strange that on ESPN right now see him speak exactly what Belichick stated months ago in the first press conference months ago.

isn`t he supposed to be unbiased?

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is Teddy Bruschi still on the Patriots payrole?

it seems strange that on ESPN right now see him speak exactly what Belichick stated months ago in the first press conference months ago.

isn`t he supposed to be unbiased?

 

Bruschi is an idiot. 

 

He's exactly the type of unqualified goof Howard Cosell used to bitch about. 

 

If Tedi Bruschi hadn't played in the NFL he'd be a parking lot attendant. 

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How do you know? How did he get them? 

 

I assume that investigators with enough money can get pretty much any information of this type if they are prepared to be unscrupulous enough

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I hope you are not suggesting that they decided to try this out for the first time in the AFC championship game.  This is when they finally got caught.  It is much more reasonable to assume that they have been doing it for years.  Certainly it isn't any kind of moral compass that would be stopping them.  So they won the game in a rout during the 2nd half you say?  OK so what about the week before in as squeaker against the Ravens?

 

The numbers in the analysis I saw were that the Patriots rate of fumbling jumped "off the charts" exactl;y at the time of the rules changes and that in terms of just the raw numbers.  When you add in the fact that dome teams are expected to fumble less then that means that the Patriots rates of fumbling are even more outside of the norm. 

 

Did we really need to see the needle sliding into Barry Bonds' ass in order to determine that he was juicing during that time or did 73 home runs tell us all that we really needed to know?  I think we both know the answers to those questions.  The rate of fumbling simply changed too much.  It is about as legitimate as a .450 batting average.

 

The problem for Pats fans in this narrative is that the size of the competitive advantage is huge if you accept the relationship between low ball pressure and low rates of fumbling. This is the big story here.  Not what kind of balls that Brady prefers.  If you accept that such a relationship exists or even that one might exist then the notion that the most brilliant tactical football mind of his generation is unaware of it simply does not pass the smell test. 

 

Unfortunately, the improvement in fumble rates also coincides with the acquisition of Randy Moss, et al and the de-emphasis of the Patriots' running game.  Also the Colts and Patriots are atop the league in non-dome fumble rates post-rule change and their QB's during the relevant periods happen to be routinely atop the league in quickest to release the ball.  And it's not like the team fumbles a lot on ST returns either.  Brandon Tate, for example, fumbled the ball once as a returner with the Patriots, but turned into a turnover machine (11 fumbles) as a returner with the Bengals.  Are the Patriots deflating kicking balls as well?  Multiple correlations do not establish causation. 

 

Brady clearly prefers his footballs at 12.5 psi or less.  But while he may have tried every single game to get them there, he didn't always succeed.  Certainly he didn't succeed in the Jets game and got stuck using over-inflated balls.  I think he was largely at the mercy of the refs' attentiveness.  If the refs over-inflated the balls and were led by someone like Walt Anderson who apparently kept a close eye on the balls, then Brady was out of luck (if Anderson is to be believed).  So the correlation between the rule change and deflation of the balls is even weaker if there were a number of games like the (zero fumble) Jets game where the Pats had to use balls that were inflated within the rules or even over-inflated beyond the level specified by the rules.   

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Unfortunately, the improvement in fumble rates also coincides with the acquisition of Randy Moss, et al and the de-emphasis of the Patriots' running game.  Also the Colts and Patriots are atop the league in non-dome fumble rates post-rule change and their QB's during the relevant periods happen to be routinely atop the league in quickest to release the ball.  And it's not like the team fumbles a lot on ST returns either.  Brandon Tate, for example, fumbled the ball once as a returner with the Patriots, but turned into a turnover machine (11 fumbles) as a returner with the Bengals.  Are the Patriots deflating kicking balls as well?  Multiple correlations do not establish causation. 

 

Brady clearly prefers his footballs at 12.5 psi or less.  But while he may have tried every single game to get them there, he didn't always succeed.  Certainly he didn't succeed in the Jets game and got stuck using over-inflated balls.  I think he was largely at the mercy of the refs' attentiveness.  If the refs over-inflated the balls and were led by someone like Walt Anderson who apparently kept a close eye on the balls, then Brady was out of luck (if Anderson is to be believed).  So the correlation between the rule change and deflation of the balls is even weaker if there were a number of games like the (zero fumble) Jets game where the Pats had to use balls that were inflated within the rules or even over-inflated beyond the level specified by the rules.   

 

If you are referring to the Sharp analysis of fumble rates, I believe that excluded kickoffs and punts. Only fumbles during offensive snaps were counted. 

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Gotta love Damien Woody!!!!

 

 

Former Patriots center Damien Woody, who snapped the ball to Tom Brady thousands of times and won two Super Bowl rings with him, believes that Brady was behind Deflategate.

Woody engaged in a debate on ESPN today with fellow former Patriot Tedy Bruschi, and although Bruschi defended Brady and said he doesn’t think the Patriots are cheaters, Woody said he agrees with the Ted Wells report, which found that the preponderance of the evidence shows that Brady cheated.

Bruschi asked Woody if he believes Brady told Patriots employees to deflate the footballs the Patriots would use in the AFC Championship Game, and Woody answered, “I do believe that.”

Woody said he read the Deflategate report and found it convincing. Woody added that he doesn’t believe the AFC Championship Game is the first time Brady cheated.

“From the texts of Jim McNally, him labeling himself ‘the Deflator’ tells me that this wasn’t the only time. When you’ve given yourself a label, to me that insinuates that this action has happened multiple times. I’m looking at it as this has happened multiple times, not only this particular situation, but it’s happened in the past before,” Woody said.

Bruschi asked Woody, “You believe Tom Brady would tell someone to do something illegal?” Woody answered, “Yes.”

Woody said he respects Brady as a great player, but also thinks Brady is such a competitor that he’d do anything to find an edge. Even cheat.

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I assume that investigators with enough money can get pretty much any information of this type if they are prepared to be unscrupulous enough

 

OK, but you realize that this is tin foil hat/grassy knoll territory.  We are talking about a highly-respected law firm that stands to gain several million of dollars in fees no matter what the report says and that has no subpoena power whatsoever.  You are willing to assume that that firm will stake its reputation (and the law licenses of its lawyers) by paying off a Verizon employee or doing something else illicit just to obtain information that they cannot share with anyone outside the firm? 

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If you are referring to the Sharp analysis of fumble rates, I believe that excluded kickoffs and punts. Only fumbles during offensive snaps were counted. 

 

The Sharp site is blocked at my office for some reason, so I can't check, but I believe he used kickoffs/punts as part of his "look at what a bunch of butterfingers these guys turn into when they leave the Patriots" analysis.   Obviously if Brandon Tate suddenly is coughing up kicking balls after leaving the Patriots, it suggests that factors other than the inflation/deflation of the balls are contributing to the fumble rates.   

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The Sharp site is blocked at my office for some reason, so I can't check, but I believe he used kickoffs/punts as part of his "look at what a bunch of butterfingers these guys turn into when they leave the Patriots" analysis. 

 

I don't recall exactly in what context I saw Sharp state that he looked at only fumbles during offensive plays, but I did send him an email saying I thought it would be better to include all fumbles. I am pretty sure though it was where he presented a graph showing the Pats sticking out like a sore thumb relative to all other NFL teams.

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I don't recall exactly in what context I saw Sharp state that he looked at only fumbles during offensive plays, but I did send him an email saying I thought it would be better to include all fumbles. I am pretty sure though it was where he presented a graph showing the Pats sticking out like a sore thumb relative to all other NFL teams.

 

I remember that as well (once you exclude the Falcons) but I think it was only for one particular 5-year period since 2006 (say, 2010-14).  When he moved the 5-year period back a year (to, say, 2009-2013) then the Pats and the Colts had virtually identical fumble rates. 

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I remember that as well (once you exclude the Falcons) but I think it was only for one particular 5-year period since 2006 (say, 2010-14).  When he moved the 5-year period back a year (to, say, 2009-2013) then the Pats and the Colts had virtually identical fumble rates. 

My recollection is that the graph started in 2007, the first year the rule was changed allowing teams to handle footballs before games (and it was changed in response to a petition filed in 2006, a petition to which Brady was a party, as is noted in the Wells' report), and ended at the present, where "the present" was the date the chart was posted. My recollection is also that the Pats' identical fumble rate covered a period prior to the rule change. This is one reason I was disappointed the technical appendices did not analyze fumble rates in a similar manner. In case you did not see it, I posted an article that quoted Goodell as saying the league wanted to know if the deflation of balls extended beyond just the one game. This would have afforded an ideal opportunity to suggest it has been going on since 2007. 

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Gotta love Damien Woody!!!!

 

 

Former Patriots center Damien Woody, who snapped the ball to Tom Brady thousands of times and won two Super Bowl rings with him, believes that Brady was behind Deflategate.

Woody engaged in a debate on ESPN today with fellow former Patriot Tedy Bruschi, and although Bruschi defended Brady and said he doesn’t think the Patriots are cheaters, Woody said he agrees with the Ted Wells report, which found that the preponderance of the evidence shows that Brady cheated.

Bruschi asked Woody if he believes Brady told Patriots employees to deflate the footballs the Patriots would use in the AFC Championship Game, and Woody answered, “I do believe that.”

Woody said he read the Deflategate report and found it convincing. Woody added that he doesn’t believe the AFC Championship Game is the first time Brady cheated.

“From the texts of Jim McNally, him labeling himself ‘the Deflator’ tells me that this wasn’t the only time. When you’ve given yourself a label, to me that insinuates that this action has happened multiple times. I’m looking at it as this has happened multiple times, not only this particular situation, but it’s happened in the past before,” Woody said.

Bruschi asked Woody, “You believe Tom Brady would tell someone to do something illegal?” Woody answered, “Yes.”

Woody said he respects Brady as a great player, but also thinks Brady is such a competitor that he’d do anything to find an edge. Even cheat.

 

 

the pats apologists are sickening.  its time to face the music.  shady brady cheats

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I remember that as well (once you exclude the Falcons) but I think it was only for one particular 5-year period since 2006 (say, 2010-14). When he moved the 5-year period back a year (to, say, 2009-2013) then the Pats and the Colts had virtually identical fumble rates.

Indoor teams vs. outdoor teams is a huge difference. The Pats dwarf any outdoor teams in fumbles.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/myers-roger-goodell-suspend-tom-brady-deflategate-article-1.2215881

 

Tom Brady will be suspended by Roger Goodell for role in DeflateGate, announcement expected next week 

 

Tom Brady will be the highest profile player ever suspended in the 96-year history of the NFL.

Roger Goodell's decision is expected to be announced next week and it is no longer a matter of if the NFL commissioner will suspend Brady, but for how long he will suspend him.

In conversations I've had with several key sources who always have a good sense of what goes on at 345 Park Avenue, there is little doubt Goodell considers Brady's role in DeflateGate a serious violation.

The NFL is convinced, according to sources, that connecting all the dots of the evidence supplied by Wells leads to one conclusion:

Brady cheated.

The feeling is the Wells Report supplied Goodell with enough ammunition to suspend Brady both for breaking the rules by ordering the deflation of footballs and by not cooperating with the investigation when he refused to turn over his cell phone to Wells’ investigators.

super-bowl-football.jpg Estimates have been all over the map. My feeling is he will wind up with two games, whether that is the initial discipline handed out or whether he is hit with four and ends up with two after an appeal.. The Miami Herald reported Brady's suspension could be as much as the entire 2015 season. Sources insist that is way off and not going to happen. There were reports in Boston on Friday on CSNNE that the Patriots fear Goodell could hit Brady with a 6-to-8 game suspension. Others have estimated 2-to-4 games.

Brady will not likely be the only one disciplined in DeflateGate. The Patriots could be fined, just as they were in SpyGate in 2007. Bill Belichick, who was hit with a $500,000 fine for running his spying operation, could also face sanctions, although Wells’ report did not link him to the deflating of the footballs. Precedent is important. Remember, Sean Payton was not implicated in BountyGate, but Goodell still suspended him for the 2012 season, saying ignorance is not an excuse. Belichick runs the Patriots’ football operation, so it will be interesting to see if Goodell, who is not exactly fond of Belichick, ultimately holds him responsible because the whole thing it happened under his watch.

Clearly, any games Brady misses reduces the chance Belichick and the Patriots have to repeat as Super Bowl champions. Second-year backup Jimmy Garoppolo better start warming up in the bullpen. But even if the Pats are without Brady for more than a few games, Bill Belichick is very resourceful.

In 2008, following the Patriots’ 16-0 regular season, Brady suffered a season ending torn ACL in the first quarter of the first game. In came Matt Cassel and the Pats finished 11-5, although they missed the playoffs on tiebreakers.

Considering how soft Goodell was in originally giving Ray Rice just a two-game suspension for slugging his future wife in an elevator — there were enough details about what happened for a stiffer suspension even before the second elevator video surfaced — how can Goodell possibly justify giving Brady 6-to-8 games? This is not the outcome the NFL wanted out of the long investigation by Ted Wells. Brady and Peyton Manning together have been the faces of the league for more than a decade and this is not at all like Goodell having to suspend miscreants like Rice, Adrian Peterson and Greg Hardy for various degrees of domestic violence. This is Tom Brady, four-time Super Bowl champion, three-time Super Bowl MVP, husband to the world’s most famous supermodel and, at least to this point, everything Goodell wanted representing the NFL shield.

Meanwhile, sources say NFL owners are watching closely how Goodell deals not only with Brady but with the Patriots as well.

Wells’ constant use of "more probable than not" in explaining Brady's role is the standard the NFL was looking for to find him in violation of the rules. The league considers that as good as guilty and just a way of phrasing it in legal terms. Two days ago, former Bills, Panthers and Colts GM Bill Polian, a former member of the competition committee, said on ESPN that the phrase “is the standard of proof that the NFL has used for about seven years or so that means in English: they're guilty. ... This is not running through a stop sign, this is not speeding five miles over the limit. This is a serious competitive violation that has to be treated as such by the league." No matter how many games Goodell suspends Brady, the Jets’ chances of closing the gap on their long-time tormentors has just increased significantly.

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2 games would be a joke. Of course, Pat Kirwan still insists it was all environmental and there is no evidence, and does not matter because they won the game, ignoring the fact that they have been doing this for 7 year.

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OK, but you realize that this is tin foil hat/grassy knoll territory.  We are talking about a highly-respected law firm that stands to gain several million of dollars in fees no matter what the report says and that has no subpoena power whatsoever.  You are willing to assume that that firm will stake its reputation (and the law licenses of its lawyers) by paying off a Verizon employee or doing something else illicit just to obtain information that they cannot share with anyone outside the firm? 

Thank you....

 

No, lawyers are not risking everything doing stupid things when they will make millions just doing what they should do...

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2 games would be a joke. Of course, Pat Kirwan still insists it was all environmental and there is no evidence, and does not matter because they won the game, ignoring the fact that they have been doing this for 7 year.

Especially since according to the Wells report - Deflategate began in week 7 last year: WHEN THEY PLAYED US!

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OK, but you realize that this is tin foil hat/grassy knoll territory.  We are talking about a highly-respected law firm that stands to gain several million of dollars in fees no matter what the report says and that has no subpoena power whatsoever.  You are willing to assume that that firm will stake its reputation (and the law licenses of its lawyers) by paying off a Verizon employee or doing something else illicit just to obtain information that they cannot share with anyone outside the firm? 

The legal issue here is that any unscroupulous actions by a law firm to obtain information from a cell phone company would violate FCC regulations in the same resolve as an illegal wire tap and wiould come out durring an appeal.

 

The fact that the two Patriot employees gave full disclosure did not help Brady's case either.

 

As for thje issue over them not posting a subpoena on Brady to get his text information, this is not a court reguilated inquiry and therefore is not a legal president for a subpoena.  All they could do is ask.  Brady refused twice - and implicated himself in the process.

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To:  Tom Kordis

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You are an UTTER and COMPLETE buffoon. 

It is actually sad..  I mean that ... Yes it is fun and games for Jets fans but Brady is going to be seriously affected by this......  He is Great and it wasn't worth it......

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