JETSfaninNE Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Anyone that was holding out hope can stop holding their breath now. Adam SchefterVerified account@AdamSchefter Redskins are tagging QB Kirk Cousins, per league source. Only decision left is whether team uses franchise or transition tag on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Not a bad move. Better than giving him a big contract they will regret in 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, drdetroit said: Not a bad move. Better than giving him a big contract they will regret in 2 years It's a perfect "show us the last 3 games weren't a fluke and you'll get paid appropriately in 2017". Makes sense for the Skins for sure. And it's not like it'll be cheap money for the franchise tag either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 It was pretty obvious this was going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 There's no compensation involved if they go with the transition tag, just a right for the Redskins to match. Cheaper option, but much riskier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Holding out hope? Cousins is not that good and will be grossly over paid and termed in the long run, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, Beerfish said: Holding out hope? Cousins is not that good and will be grossly over paid and termed in the long run, I wasn't implying I was, just remember seeing some people around here that wanted him in one of the various QB threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: It's a perfect "show us the last 3 games weren't a fluke and you'll get paid appropriately in 2017". Makes sense for the Skins for sure. And it's not like it'll be cheap money for the franchise tag either. Yup, if he has a great 2016 season they will have no problem giving him franchise type money. That's a perfect use of the franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, slats said: There's no compensation involved if they go with the transition tag, just a right for the Redskins to match. Cheaper option, but much riskier. hmmm so there's not poison pill to swallow correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Jets just tweeted they will franchise Geno Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colgateman Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 16 hours ago, Beerfish said: Holding out hope? Cousins is not that good and will be grossly over paid and termed in the long run, Much better than firzgarbAge I find it hilarious how you people think the guy who led the nfl in passer rating and completion percentage and once he got his top 2 weapons back turned the redskins season around is anything but spectacular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Much better than firzgarbAge I find it hilarious how you people think the guy who led the nfl in passer rating and completion percentage and once he got his top 2 weapons back turned the redskins season around is anything but spectacular The comments in this thread are hilarious. Bunch of Jets fans claiming Cousins is not that good. But Fitz is the best thing since sliced bread. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 13 hours ago, southparkcpa said: Jets just tweeted they will franchise Geno Smith. Will he work at Mickey D's or Burger King?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Savage69 said: Will he work at Mickey D's or Burger King?? Chipotle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 59 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: The comments in this thread are hilarious. Bunch of Jets fans claiming Cousins is not that good. But Fitz is the best thing since sliced bread. Unbelievable. Cousins is a true gamer that wants to win. He stepped up with 23 TDs, 3 INTs in the final 10 game stretch and took a crappy team to the playoffs his 4th year. Jets have a Harvard Economics grad that pursues personal stats for the FA negotiating table and avoids the postseason like it's nerve gas going on his 12th year. 1 hour ago, Colgateman said: Much better than firzgarbAge I find it hilarious how you people think the guy who led the nfl in passer rating and completion percentage and once he got his top 2 weapons back turned the redskins season around is anything but spectacular Cousins ... 69.8 Comp%; 4166 yds; 29 TD; 11 INT; 101.6 QBR + playoffs Imagine if that was Fizzmagic? Oh boy. CrackCart40 would be deep-throating him deeper than he already is. c=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Cousins ... 69.8 Comp%; 4166 yds; 29 TD; 11 INT; 101.6 QBR + playoffs Imagine if that was Fizzmagic? Oh boy. CrackCart40 would be deep-throating him deeper than he already is. :yawn:c=3 Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Colgateman said: Much better than firzgarbAge I find it hilarious how you people think the guy who led the nfl in passer rating and completion percentage and once he got his top 2 weapons back turned the redskins season around is anything but spectacular Hes not good. Isnt worth the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Hes not good. Isnt worth the money. Yea, it's always better to pay an aging CB $17MM per year than a good, young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 What the **** is a transition tag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 1 minute ago, PatsFanTX said: Yea, it's always better to pay an aging CB $17MM per year than a good, young QB. Hey, without him, you lost to a team QB'd by Bob Barker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 8 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: The comments in this thread are hilarious. Bunch of Jets fans claiming Cousins is not that good. But Fitz is the best thing since sliced bread. Unbelievable. Matt Cassel and Ryan Mallett Two franchise qbs available tx which one should we get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 6 hours ago, Bocajetfan said: Chipotle Relax guys tx knows everything because happens to root for Tom Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 6 hours ago, New York Mick said: What the **** is a transition tag? Short story, top 10 salary for the Transition Tag versus top 5 salary for the Franchise Tag. No Compensation if signed to a different team for the Transition Tag versus 2 first round picks if signed by another team for the Franchise Tag. The use of a Transition Tag is a good way to gauge the market, any offer can be matched, and if matched, the player has to sign. The risk, lose the player with no compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Let Cousins beat a winning team first before giving him big money. He still winless against good teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 hour ago, hawk said: Short story, top 10 salary for the Transition Tag versus top 5 salary for the Franchise Tag. No Compensation if signed to a different team for the Transition Tag versus 2 first round picks if signed by another team for the Franchise Tag. The use of a Transition Tag is a good way to gauge the market, any offer can be matched, and if matched, the player has to sign. The risk, lose the player with no compensation. Thanks and risky but not with a guy like Cousins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Just now, New York Mick said: Thanks and risky but not with a guy like Cousins I don't know, he has some pretty high value right now. Should be able to get something for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Talked to a Redskins writer in Indy who said he thinks a good alternative to Cousins could be dealing for Mike Glennon. Somebody has their eye on your guy @Villain The Foe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, hawk said: I don't know, he has some pretty high value right now. Should be able to get something for him. I'm guessing they want to see with what the demand for him is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 On February 27, 2016 at 1:06 PM, PatsFanTX said: Yea, it's always better to pay an aging CB $17MM per year than a good, young QB. Are you paying attention? I said he wasnt that good. And he isnt as good as Revis. But more importantly what does what Revis is or isnt have to do with Cousins? Funny, money wasnt a friggen problem when your team paid that corner 20 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 On 2/26/2016 at 4:23 PM, slats said: There's no compensation involved if they go with the transition tag, just a right for the Redskins to match. Cheaper option, but much riskier. The reason to use that is if they want to lock him up, are confident in what's the most anyone else would offer him, are willing to be the highest bidder, but don't want to pay more than anyone else would have (they don't want to bid against themselves). Comes with quite a risk, though, so the only reason I could see in using this tag is if he is demanding such a ludicrous contract that no one else would give him either. For example: Say the Skins make him a formal offer of $15M per with 2.5 years guaranteed, which he's turned down because he knows someone else will offer at least that much, and probably more. Washington would be ok with up to $17M per (same guarantee rate), and their line in the sand is $19M per. Cousins wants $23M per but his agent hints he would agree to $21.5M (I'm making all these #s up just for an example). So they transition tag him at $17.7M instead of franchise tagging him at $20M. He's still technically a FA and can negotiate with other teams. The top long term contract bid comes in from the Eagles at $17.5M per ($43M guaranteed). Cousins can't really turn that down: the only offers he has before him are the tag (1 year $18M guaranteed), Washington's intro bid contract ($15M per, with $37.5M guaranteed), and this new offer from the Eagles (17.5M per, with $43M guaranteed). He can't risk losing out on $25M more guaranteed than playing under the tag; it locks in his money needs for the rest of his life. More would be better, but more than $43M guaranteed probably isn't going to materially change his life. So he accepts that Eagles offer. Washington doesn't even have to beat it now; they can just match the Eagles contract and Cousins has to sign with Washington. It's $1.75M/year less than their line in the sand, $5.5M/year less than he's asked for, and $4M/yr (and $10M guaranteed) less than Cousins previously said he'd grudgingly accept before getting tagged. The problem, which you're alluding to, is what if someone is desperate, has to burn the cap room to keep above the minimum mandate (and they think a QB seems as good a position as any to risk on a CBA-mandated spending spree), so they know Cousins' "value" is $18M per but throw $21M/year at him because they have to spend it anyway and have crazy cap space, no QB, and don't pick high enough to get the one they want in the draft. It's risk either way. Yeah they risk getting way outbid over their redline, but franchise tagging him at $20M (where they could still lose him a season later) is a risk itself. Plus if they franchise tag him at $20M it makes it harder to negotiate a contract that pays closer to $17-18M annually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Cousins is a decent West Coast offense QB where safe decisions are valued, most of the passes are 5-10 yards and quick rollouts. Let him stay in Washington, he seemed to turn the corner in the 2nd half of the season in a weak division. Same for Fitz, why go to a new system when you have a good thing going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 On 2/27/2016 at 1:06 PM, PatsFanTX said: Yea, it's always better to pay an aging CB $17MM per year than a good, young QB. It is not the rate per year it is the number of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 2 hours ago, EM31 said: It is not the rate per year it is the number of years. Stop entertaining Tx. After Cousins regresses like crazy next year he'll pretend he never heard of him like Matt Cassel and Ryan Mallett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 2 hours ago, drdetroit said: Stop entertaining Tx. After Cousins regresses like crazy next year he'll pretend he never heard of him like Matt Cassel and Ryan Mallett I have been "exchanging pleasantries" with Tx for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Stop entertaining Tx. After Cousins regresses like crazy next year he'll pretend he never heard of him like Matt Cassel and Ryan Mallett Unlike yourself, EM has been a very good poster for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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