k-met57 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 John Vilma Polarizing pick in terms of fan reaction. Turned out to be a great pick at 12. We badly needed some speed and coverage ability between the DL and the back end. Now lets go get some OL help. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Seriously. Everyone on the defense is oversized. It works pretty well to take on blockers, and make tackles as long as no one misses. When someone does miss, or gets blocked out we get seriously burnt. Lee is going to clean up in this D getting all the tackles with help from his big friends. He'll be overrated very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Vilma was neither a great pick nor a great player. He was one of the most overrated players we've had in the past 20 years. Hopefully this kid doesn't get blown up & taken out of plays by lone fullbacks, or dragged past the first down marker while still getting credit for his precious tackle stat. I'm sure Lee will be a solid player at worst. It's the position that I object to. ILB is a position we could get a really good starter in free agency for the same or less than we gave to Skrine (or Harris, for that matter). Then use the 1st round pick on the type of player that (in his prime) never reaches free agency (or if he does, he costs twice that or more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Reminds me of picking Calvin Pryor with Derek Carr and Bridgewater still on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Reminds me of picking Calvin Pryor with Derek Carr and Bridgewater still on the board. Defense wins championships. QB's are not that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colgateman Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Reminds me of picking Calvin Pryor with Derek Carr and Bridgewater still on the board. Every team that has won the super bowl the last 5 years has won it of its defense. im fine with spending all of ours first on defense and getting good offensive players later in the rounds, just like Seattle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Reminds me of picking Calvin Pryor with Derek Carr and Bridgewater still on the board. yup, and we all got lectured about BPA that night also…can't be reaching for those project QB's and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted April 29, 2016 Author Share Posted April 29, 2016 Vilma was neither a great pick nor a great player. He was one of the most overrated players we've had in the past 20 years. Hopefully this kid doesn't get blown up & taken out of plays by lone fullbacks, or dragged past the first down marker while still getting credit for his precious tackle stat. I'm sure Lee will be a solid player at worst. It's the position that I object to. ILB is a position we could get a really good starter in free agency for the same or less than we gave to Skrine (or Harris, for that matter). Then use the 1st round pick on the type of player that (in his prime) never reaches free agency (or if he does, he costs twice that or more). If we could have gotten a really good starter in free agency we would have, considering this is a huge gap for us. The biggest blown plays we have had recently have been because our LB are slow and can't cover RB's catching the ball, QB's rolling out etc... Don't discount that the name of the game with Lee is speed. Its really hard to get a veteran in free agency who doesn't have wear and tear on him and isn't starting to slow down. You want young explosive kids at your speed positions. Also Vilma was not overrated, but you can make the Curtis Martin argument with him I guess. To each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Defense wins championships. QB's are not that important. Everyone knows you wait til the 6th round for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Vilma was neither a great pick nor a great player. He was one of the most overrated players we've had in the past 20 years. Hopefully this kid doesn't get blown up & taken out of plays by lone fullbacks, or dragged past the first down marker while still getting credit for his precious tackle stat. I'm sure Lee will be a solid player at worst. It's the position that I object to. ILB is a position we could get a really good starter in free agency for the same or less than we gave to Skrine (or Harris, for that matter). Then use the 1st round pick on the type of player that (in his prime) never reaches free agency (or if he does, he costs twice that or more). beat me to it, since when was Vilma some super stud? My lasting memories of him are him getting blown up by running backs on a regular basis. He was average.Above average on a good day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergenjets Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 How long have the Jets been getting torched in the slot/by TEs. It's about time they did something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 im fine with spending all of ours first on defense and getting good offensive players later in the rounds, just like Seattle. 8 straight years of using a 1st round pick on defense, you'd think the Jets defense would be better than the '86 Bears and '00 Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 9 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Cheating wins championships. First round draft picks are not that important. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: 8 straight years of using a 1st round pick on defense, you'd think the Jets defense would be better than the '86 Bears and '00 Ravens. Given that our last 1st rounder on offense was Sanchez, can you blame us for staying away since? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 11 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Defense wins championships. QB's are not that important. Maybe Jets like Petty more than they are letting on? Maybe Lee is a very good player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeacon Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, bergenjets said: How long have the Jets been getting torched in the slot/by TEs. It's about time they did something about it. He will be a blessing when it comes to those fast and shifty rb's we will face this year along with those scrambling qbs ( im looking at your wilson and taylor). The memories of being torched by TE's comes from rex's time here. I do not remember being dominated by a TE last year besides Gronk, but he dominate everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 8 minutes ago, Colgateman said: Every team that has won the super bowl the last 5 years has won it of its defense. im fine with spending all of ours first on defense and getting good offensive players later in the rounds, just like Seattle. That's a great philosophy but we are not getting any returns on our later picks. Last 2nd round pick that did anything positive was David Harris, 10 drafts ago. The jury is still out on last years picks but Seattle gets a return almost immediately from their draft class. And they don't use first rounders on defense every year for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Given that our last 1st rounder on offense was Sanchez, can you blame us for staying away since? You don't address the situation by avoidance. I'm just glad the Jets passed on Lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: You don't address the situation by avoidance. I'm just glad the Jets passed on Lynch. Did you fear his ability to hold a clipboard for the next two years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: You don't address the situation by avoidance. I'm just glad the Jets passed on Lynch. Now he's at Denver who is your primary competition for the Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: You don't address the situation by avoidance. I'm just glad the Jets passed on Lynch. Interestingly we've spent more 1st rounders on offense than the Patsies in the last 10 years - Solder is "it" as far as NE is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, jamesr said: Did you fear his ability to hold a clipboard for the next two years? Ok and if he ends up starting for Denver before the end of this season, Macc and his staff of scouts should be fired. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colgateman Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 15 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: 8 straight years of using a 1st round pick on defense, you'd think the Jets defense would be better than the '86 Bears and '00 Ravens. yeah, I believe four of em were bust, that can hold a team back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Pcola said: Ok and if he ends up starting for Denver before the end of this season, Macc and his staff of scouts should be fired. Right? If he starts and does well, then I'd be pi$$ed at our guys for passing him up. I wouldn't say fired, but it would definitely be a major black mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Colgateman said: yeah, I believe four of em were bust, that can hold a team back Wilson, Coples, Gholston, Milliner is on his last chance ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Ray Lewis was undersized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drsamuel84 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChNY6wrW0AA4SUi.jpg:large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I think this "Moneybacker" is going to work very well. Bowles wanted a guy like this for the package and he got the perfect one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 40 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Reminds me of picking Calvin Pryor with Derek Carr and Bridgewater still on the board. we had Geno though Idzik was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 42 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Reminds me of picking Calvin Pryor with Derek Carr and Bridgewater still on the board. We have a developmental qb. His name is Bryce Petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 25 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: You don't address the situation by avoidance. I'm just glad the Jets passed on Lynch. That makes two of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Reminds me of the Steelers picking Ryan Shazier and greatly improving their linebacker speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Quick to diagnose and flow to the ball. Has unusual ability to find the most efficient routes to the ball. Has athleticism and flexibility to contort his body and succeed through difficult tackle angles. Plays with loose hips, quick feet and desired agility of an NFL weak-side linebacker. Former high school quarterback with the change of direction and speed to be a rangy playmaker. Comfortable in space and excels there. Has plus man cover talent. Willing to stand in and take on blockers with a leveraged strike if his gap is being threatened. Capable gap blitzer with ability to get skinny through the holes. WEAKNESSES Smallish linebacker. Play strength doesn't come close to matching puffed up listed weight. Balance issues at point of attack could plague him over his NFL career. Has the body type of a big safety. Tape shows few authoritative tackles. Involved in too many arm and shoestring tackles. Comes flying in and fails to come to balance at times. Charged with 21 missed and five broken tackles over the last two seasons. Always at size disadvantage and will have to learn to slip more blocks. Can get better at finding targets in zone coverage. NFL COMPARISON Zach Brown BOTTOM LINE Lee's level of NFL success might very well be tied to scheme fit and his ability to add more muscle to his frame. His athletic traits and ability to make plays should make him a starter, but he won't unlock his full potential unless he gets strong enough to handle the rigors of an NFL linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRENGTHS Quick to diagnose and flow to the ball. Has unusual ability to find the most efficient routes to the ball. Has athleticism and flexibility to contort his body and succeed through difficult tackle angles. Plays with loose hips, quick feet and desired agility of an NFL weak-side linebacker. Former high school quarterback with the change of direction and speed to be a rangy playmaker. Comfortable in space and excels there. Has plus man cover talent. Willing to stand in and take on blockers with a leveraged strike if his gap is being threatened. Capable gap blitzer with ability to get skinny through the holes.
WEAKNESSES Smallish linebacker. Play strength doesn't come close to matching puffed up listed weight. Balance issues at point of attack could plague him over his NFL career. Has the body type of a big safety. Tape shows few authoritative tackles. Involved in too many arm and shoestring tackles. Comes flying in and fails to come to balance at times. Charged with 21 missed and five broken tackles over the last two seasons. Always at size disadvantage and will have to learn to slip more blocks. Can get better at finding targets in zone coverage.
BOTTOM LINE Lee's level of NFL success might very well be tied to scheme fit and his ability to add more muscle to his frame. His athletic traits and ability to make plays should make him a starter, but he won't unlock his full potential unless he gets strong enough to handle the rigors of an NFL linebacker.
afosomf Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 If Zach Brown is the compare, this will be bust city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Pryor may be our best player , bridgewater blows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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