Vader Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 this is worth the watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Just finished watching it, was going to make this post. I'm really pulling for this kid, Macc has my 100% confidence so I have 100% confidence this is going to work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 After they drafted him I watched the whole thing, and while it's programmed stuff, it was evident that Hackenberg has the smarts, and the tools. If he puts it all together? No one knows, but he has potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 1 minute ago, greenwave81 said: After they drafted him I watched the whole thing, and while it's programmed stuff, it was evident that Hackenberg has the smarts, and the tools. If he puts it all together? No one knows, but he has potential. Very interesting when asked why he changed his back foot out of shotgun after O'Brian left was because the new coaching staff told him to do it. Seems like a coaching screw up that can easily be fixed. Stoked honestly, can't wait for camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 "I'll be shocked if he doesn't go in the first round" from Gruden at the end. Of course, I've yet to see Gruden *not* like anyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Wish we had Gruden. The Hackenberg episode is uplifting but the Lynch episode's game footage is more spectacular. Lynch does everything well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Just now, thshadow said: "I'll be shocked if he doesn't go in the first round" from Gruden at the end. Of course, I've yet to see Gruden *not* like anyone... Haven't seen the Jimmy Clausen version yet then lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Holy sh*t, Santonio Holmes was the WR catching balls from Hackenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Thank you for posting this!!! After watching Paxton Lynch with Gruden I wanted to compare it with Hackenberg. There is absolutely NO COMPARISON, Lynch seemed disconnected and wasn't very technical in describing concepts. Hackenberg was sharp, taking notes, very detailed and broke down concepts like a pro. I now know why we drafted him also if you listen closely Gruden blames a lot of Hackenberg's "issues" to bad coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Every Jet fan needs to watch this because Gruden is speaking like a HC to his QB and Hackenberg is able to process it. In this day and age of spread QB's that isn't normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 7 hours ago, JETSfaninNE said: Very interesting when asked why he changed his back foot out of shotgun after O'Brian left was because the new coaching staff told him to do it. Seems like a coaching screw up that can easily be fixed. Stoked honestly, can't wait for camp. and Hack took pains not to blame his line or the coach. Gruden was trying to see if he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 6 hours ago, jetrider said: Wish we had Gruden. The Hackenberg episode is uplifting but the Lynch episode's game footage is more spectacular. Lynch does everything well. and yet....they passed on him. Have to wonder why, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 If you watch Lynch with Gruden you will not be impressed. Yes he has physical tools but he can't touch Hackenberg in terms of technical knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Good vid.. Kinda got me excited to see hackenberg he clearly is a smart kid from what I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 at least they took a guy who 1) clearly has nfl measurables, 2) can operate a pro style system, 3) can handle adversity and 4) isn't an idiot. these are 4 advantages he has over geno when geno was drafted. as one poster wrote somewhere, i wonder if mccags' knowing bill o'brien from houston gave him additional insights into what happened the past 2 years. the talent is undeniable, we're talking about a former 5 star recruit who could have gone to any college and was on track to be a top 10 draft pick at only 18 years old. at least the jets took a guy with the proper upside, he's got as much upside as goff and wentz. he's as talented as they are if not more. it is reasonable to assume that if o'brien had remained his coach for the last 2 years he would have been off the board well before the jets picked at 20 in round 1 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Jets may of got very lucky. When we look back on this we may see that Bill Obrien leaving Penn State for the pros gave au the opportunity to draft Hack in the 2nd round. Is there anyone on this board that thinks if Obrien stays Hackenburgs stock drops as much as it has? When someone has the measurables the next step is do they have the drive & the smarts to succeed. Read outliers & he fits perfectly. He just needs to be back in a system with people that know what the f*ck their doing like Chan Gailey. There is not a QB alive that doesn't fold when their spirit is crushed & they are taking massive hits all day. Tom Brady WILTED under the pressure Denver put on him. (Maybe the best QB to ever play the game). Keep in mind defensive players get away with much more regarding the QB in college than they do in the Pros now. Again, we'll see what happens as the fan base is split equally like always regarding QBs. He either sucks or it's a great pick. In 2 years we'll see who was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 +1 Every fan should watch this tape. You may not like the pick but after watching you'll understand why they did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I'm all for the optimism, but the "bad coaching" aspect has me thinking... what confidence do we have that Bowles and co. have the right people in place to fix and develop a young QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 2 hours ago, jack48 said: and Hack took pains not to blame his line or the coach. Gruden was trying to see if he would. I liked to see that. And he chose to tough it out at Penn St. with the sanctions when he could have gone to a major program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 one of the things that stood out to me was the new idiot coach at penn state making him change his back foot to his right foot. this isn't rocky when they switched him to fight orthodox and it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 2 hours ago, jack48 said: and Hack took pains not to blame his line or the coach. Gruden was trying to see if he would. What? Gruden tried to get him to see the light that there are things he can do better to save himself, avoid sacks + hits, and it sailed over his head. Hack automatically blames others, "Through more and more study of our protections ah really being able to isolate alright whoever it is that's having a tough time today ... " YOU were, dummy. Hope it sinks in. Kid looks 15, and acts it too at times. This was the worst scene of all, thank god the rest was more encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, jetrider said: What? Gruden tried to get him to see the light that there are things he can do better to save himself, avoid sacks + hits, and it sailed over his head. Hack automatically blames others, "Through more and more study of our protections ah really being able to isolate alright whoever it is that's having a tough time today ... " YOU were, dummy. Hope it sinks in. Kid looks 15, and acts it too at times. This was the worst scene of all, thank god the rest was more encouraging. his o-line was a f*cking disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Just now, neckdemon said: his o-line was a f*cking disaster. seriously. just watching lowlights of the penn state temple game you see why his stats were as they were. he got the crap kicked out of him, and then he has to sit in interview after interview and smile and apologize and say it's his fault, to the same people who watch the film and know he got the crap kicked out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 The video is 23 minutes long and 22 minutes of it is Gruden yelling excuses for Hackenberg sucking at him and Hackenberg getting misty-eyed and subtly nodding. If you watch it with the sound off, you'd think Hackenberg was one of Sandusky's victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: The video is 23 minutes long and 22 minutes of it is Gruden yelling excuses for Hackenberg sucking at him and Hackenberg getting misty-eyed and subtly nodding. If you watch it with the sound off, you'd think Hackenberg was one of Sandusky's victims. while this is funny......i don't think thats true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: The video is 23 minutes long and 22 minutes of it is Gruden yelling excuses for Hackenberg sucking at him and Hackenberg getting misty-eyed and subtly nodding. If you watch it with the sound off, you'd think Hackenberg was one of Sandusky's victims. you watch tape and you see him getting the crap kicked out of him. gruden knows he's got the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I'd reconsider my life if I couldn't get Jon Gruden to give me a 4th round grade at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Jets interviewed both Lynch and Hackenberg, no? I think it's pretty obvious they went with Hackenberg because of his smarts, leadership, and maturity - all things Lynch and Cook are deficient in to varying degrees. He was one of the more intriguing QB prospects to me before the draft because he seem sped to be rated highly despite meh numbers, with a lot of blame placed on his line, supporting cast, and coaching staff. The second round was probably high for him, but no one will care if he works out in a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 2 hours ago, KRL said: If you watch Lynch with Gruden you will not be impressed. Yes he has physical tools but he can't touch Hackenberg in terms of technical knowledge If you watch the Lynch episode you'll see he's more developed as a QB, has more natural talent and more to tap into. They're two different personalities. With the game on the line and seconds left, do or die, I'd take Lynch any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Doesn't Gruden basically love all of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, slats said: Jets interviewed both Lynch and Hackenberg, no? I think it's pretty obvious they went with Hackenberg because of his smarts, leadership, and maturity - all things Lynch and Cook are deficient in to varying degrees. He was one of the more intriguing QB prospects to me before the draft because he seem sped to be rated highly despite meh numbers, with a lot of blame placed on his line, supporting cast, and coaching staff. The second round was probably high for him, but no one will care if he works out in a year or two. We got a Mangini Guy? Really hope I'm wrong about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Kid is smart, we need to let him sit for 2 years and get his confidence back. He has good attitude, and needs to get used to the speed of the game. Hopefully we get Fitz back to mentor this kid and teach him how to read defenses. Hopefully he is not permanently shellshocked from all the sacks. No doubt he needs a lot of work, hopefully he improves faster than we expect. I still would have preferred Lynch but I am 100% behind Hack. We just better have a great line in place when he is ready to start or forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Gruden: YOU TOOK A LOT OF HITS Hack: Yeah, but I got up...all but once. Gruden: WHY'D YOU GET HIT SO MUCH Hack: early on, I tried to tell them, but Gruden: DID YOU TELL THEM LUCKY RIGHT RINGO MIKE Hack: I...they didn't listen to me. Gruden: LOOK AT YOUR FEET HERE Hack: Nobody told me that feet were a big deal, I... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, gEYno said: We got a Mangini Guy? Really hope I'm wrong about him. Lol, ugh, let's hope. I have some faith in these guys, and I don't watch college ball, so I'm just gonna try to be optimistic for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 9 hours ago, jetrider said: Wish we had Gruden. The Hackenberg episode is uplifting but the Lynch episode's game footage is more spectacular. Lynch does everything well. But doesn't run a pro offense, doesn't run a huddle, call plays under center, check down, call audibles, etc. can he do it? You would think he can learn but most don't, so what do you do? Risk your 20? was a tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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