How Jets' Christian Hackenberg progressed while getting scout team reps with Bryce Petty out

[Larz]

4 hours ago, detectivekimble said:

In all honesty, I've never seen Petty, Geno, or Fitzpatrick throw the ball as well as Hack did in that scoring drive against the Giants.  He can do things that those other guys just can't do.  I did notice that he started reverting back to some bad habits after he started getting hit a lot.  The OL, particularly Shell, were getting owned and Hack was getting smashed.  

Then he had 2 sanchez moments against the eagles where he had complete brain lock and literally chucked the ball up for grabs, once underhanded while in the grasp of a DE.  This is the stuff you would be disappinted in a high school player and hack is 21 years old

I'm really sick of dumb QB's

 

[ID.]

5 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

WTF do you think they should do?  Shut down practices, put all their time into a QB they have no intention of using this season just to satisfy fans who just know better than Chan on the right way to develop a project QB?

 

I don't think the coaching staff needs to devote that much time working with him, but, Hack should be working with a QB consultant on a daily basis.  Have Petty run the scout team and let Hack work on his mechanics for several hours a day. 

To wait until next year to address it, is foolish.  Why waste a year of development?

[Sperm Edwards]

19 minutes ago, Larz said:

lol

what I find truly bizarre is they already had a whole off season with the kid, and they can't come up with something for him to do between September and February ?  Its like a total lost year on a project QB

footwork drills ? throwing drills ? play madden with petty at the hotel ?

What, you think that coffee is just going to make itself? 

In all seriousness, if it's wise in the offseason for him to work with a "specialist" every day, why is it unwise during the season (a season in which he's not allowed within 5 miles of the playing field while wearing a Jets uniform). What makes it smart to have only weekly tweaking for a good 4-5 months?

If that was so smart it would be an acceptable routine after the season's over, no? Something tells me when he works with Palmer (or with whomever) in January it won't be just once a week for a few hours then work on his own in between that.

[SAR I]

8 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Get rid of Fitzpatrick ASAP so Hack can have his # ..............

No way.

Richard Todd got me so bad as a kid that I can never, ever warm up to any Jets quarterback wearing 14.

SAR I

[Snell41]

Random odd question, humor me. Could the Jets not afford an assistant QB coach that could maybe be dedicated to the kid that's supposed to be our savior??


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[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, Xtina said:

There's very little info about Palmer, and what there is sounds like he mentors rookie QB;s not pre-draft guys, and Bortles is the only "name" one can find

I don't see the point of spending time on this pre-draft. It's not like scouts can measure/evaluate a guy's facility with this. In fact it seems like it would just overwhelm with information before they're on a team. Maybe Hack was able to handle it because he's more advanced in that department but it doesn't seem like there's any point to the timing. it seems to be  putting the cart way before the horse. Or like trying to teach someone to run before they can walk 

Unless you want to look good at the combine and your pro day.  I totally see why you would see someone pre draft

[C Mart]

Hackenberg's biggest challenge entering the NFL was to improve his accuracy. At some point, that might mean overhauling his throwing mechanics and/or footwork. But Gailey doesn't want to do that right now. And why not?

"We suggest things here and there [with mechanics]," Gailey said. "But it's hard to change guys completely mechanically in a preseason situation like this. You let him do what got him here. And then you take a full offseason, if you think there needs to be some changes. And that's where you implement real changes. 

"You might make suggestions here and there [right now]. If he wants to work on it a little bit, then you allow him to do that. But going out and trying to make some kind of wholesale change [right now], no, we wouldn't do that.

"I think that, in general, it takes thousands of reps to change a habit. So if you're going to change a habit, you need thousands of offseason reps. You don't need a few hundred throws a week. That's a big difference." 

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/08/how_can_jets_chan_gailey_evaluate_christian_hacken.html
 

[UnitedWhofans]

BTW, Kizer looks like crap

[David Harris]

I just don't get how the **** a multi billion dollar corporation can't invest in a personal quarterback coach just for Christian Hackenberg so he doesn't have to wait 10 months after being drafted to learn how to throw a football properly.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

5 hours ago, David Harris said:

I just don't get how the **** a multi billion dollar corporation can't invest in a personal quarterback coach just for Christian Hackenberg so he doesn't have to wait 10 months after being drafted to learn how to throw a football properly.

I don't get how you guys all think this is some huge breakthrough nobody ever thought of before. Like hiring some dude is gonna make all the difference in the world and we're just not doing it because Woody is cheap or something. Never occurs to anybody that we're letting it wait until the offseason when the guys we have on the staff have nothing better to do because that's about what it's worth. The reason the Cavs don't drop a stack on a personal shrink for JR is because you can't fix retarded, not because it wouldn't be worth it if you could. This is the same thing. This team is custom built to be marketed to people who think they're smart because they can sling jargon like mechanics and gameplan and other lofty claptrap that's good for filling gaps between commercials and not a whole lot else. Hackenberg can't throw the ball to the guy. They'd have a hypnotist, a witch doctor, and an imam on retainer if there was anything in particular that could be done to change that simple reality.

[jack48]

20 hours ago, Ken Shroy said:

I like the kid. Hey Hack, just a heads up, when you go back to pass against the great Jets D, look for the TE, your stats will go off the charts.

So that is the Jets D problem.  Lack of an NFL level TE to practice against.  Eureka!

[RSJ]

I am pretty sure the reasoning behind waiting to work on mechanics is because Hack is getting valuable training in how to read a defense, adjustments, game plan and execution of game plan. Its hard to simulate any of this in the offseason and its just as important as mechanics. So to me it makes sense to have him wait until the offseason to focus on mechanics.

This also gives the Jets a chance to see him and evaluate him for a whole season on how he executes the above. Also the Jets get to see a whole season of practice film on his mechanics to make sure they really see what all the problems are what needs correcting. I think it's actually a smart plan on the Jets part.

[maury77]

1 hour ago, RSJ said:

I am pretty sure the reasoning behind waiting to work on mechanics is because Hack is getting valuable training in how to read a defense, adjustments, game plan and execution of game plan. Its hard to simulate any of this in the offseason and its just as important as mechanics. So to me it makes sense to have him wait until the offseason to focus on mechanics.

This also gives the Jets a chance to see him and evaluate him for a whole season on how he executes the above. Also the Jets get to see a whole season of practice film on his mechanics to make sure they really see what all the problems are what needs correcting. I think it's actually a smart plan on the Jets part.

 

I was going to post something similar. The practice reps he is getting right now while facing an NFL quality defense he will not be able to replicate in the offseason. He is not going to fly out the Jets defense to VA to run a "Jets East" camp.  His mechanics can really be focused on at anytime because it involves drilling (similar to training on a speedbag in boxing), so it just makes sense for him to focus on practice reps while the resource is available to him.

[HighPitch]

23 hours ago, Xtina said:

This part really concerns me. When did (the other) Palmer become this expert QB fixer or tutor? From what I understood they spent no time before the draft working on fundamentals or mechanics, they prepared as though he had that part covered already and were getting ready for a game, breaking down a defense etc. How on earth would that prepare you for the draft????? To me that is totally putting the cart before the horse, at best, and at worst a total waste of time. Obviously he was not with the Jets at that point so they had no say over the matter but I'm hoping he can do better this off season with coaching. And this Patullo guy doesn't fill me with any confidence either. 

Yea and whos to say thiz palmer guy k ows sh*t anyway?  He can be teaching him all wrong.  If hack is serious hed get a real qb coach and work on mechanics all off season

[Savage69]

13 hours ago, C Mart said:

Hackenberg's biggest challenge entering the NFL was to improve his accuracy. At some point, that might mean overhauling his throwing mechanics and/or footwork. But Gailey doesn't want to do that right now. And why not?

"We suggest things here and there [with mechanics]," Gailey said. "But it's hard to change guys completely mechanically in a preseason situation like this. You let him do what got him here. And then you take a full offseason, if you think there needs to be some changes. And that's where you implement real changes. 

"You might make suggestions here and there [right now]. If he wants to work on it a little bit, then you allow him to do that. But going out and trying to make some kind of wholesale change [right now], no, we wouldn't do that.

"I think that, in general, it takes thousands of reps to change a habit. So if you're going to change a habit, you need thousands of offseason reps. You don't need a few hundred throws a week. That's a big difference." 

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/08/how_can_jets_chan_gailey_evaluate_christian_hacken.html
 

That doesn't work with drinking and lm sure with drugs as well..

[maury77]

4 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Yea and whos to say thiz palmer guy k ows sh*t anyway?  He can be teaching him all wrong.  If hack is serious hed get a real qb coach and work on mechanics all off season

Palmer is now a professional QB coach. 

http://www.athletesperformance.com/blogs/in-the-news/nfl-quarterback-jordan-palmer-signs-with-athletes-performance-as-quarterback-coach.html

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/feature/25158946/the-quarterback-whisperer

http://www.stack.com/a/elite-qb-coach-jordan-palmers-formula-for-learning-a-playbook-fast

http://qbsummit.com/palmer/

 

[Jet Blast]

On 10/15/2016 at 1:44 PM, Maxman said:

They aren't going to overhaul his mechanics until after the season? Is that a joke? Please tell me it is a joke.

From: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/08/what_does_jets_qb_coach_kevin_patullo_think_of_chr.html

Instead of attempting to fix Hackenberg's mechanics (the assumed reason for poor accuracy) this year, the team is waiting until the offseason. There isn't enough time to tackle that yet, according to offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. The Jets just want Hackenberg to get comfortable within the offense. 

"You want to be careful," Patullo said. "He's doing a lot. He's trying to learn the playbook, defenses, what he sees and how to react. In golf, you don't want to change your swing midseason."

[jeremy2020]

This is Hackenberg's entire career. Always "progressing" on the bench. One day, he might be able to make the roster as the 3rd QB. 

What a waste of a 2nd round pick.

[joewilly12]

5 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

This is Hackenberg's entire career. Always "progressing" on the bench. One day, he might be able to make the roster as the 3rd QB. 

What a waste of a 2nd round pick.

Macc is the man!!!!!

[Maxman]

1 hour ago, Jet Blast said:

From: http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/08/what_does_jets_qb_coach_kevin_patullo_think_of_chr.html

Instead of attempting to fix Hackenberg's mechanics (the assumed reason for poor accuracy) this year, the team is waiting until the offseason. There isn't enough time to tackle that yet, according to offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. The Jets just want Hackenberg to get comfortable within the offense. 

"You want to be careful," Patullo said. "He's doing a lot. He's trying to learn the playbook, defenses, what he sees and how to react. In golf, you don't want to change your swing midseason."

This is frightening.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, Maxman said:

This is frightening.

Yes it is sad the way this team handles the QB position. 

[Matt39]

Tiny hands = sh*tty grip = sh*tty accuracy. 

[flgreen]

21 hours ago, David Harris said:

I just don't get how the **** a multi billion dollar corporation can't invest in a personal quarterback coach just for Christian Hackenberg so he doesn't have to wait 10 months after being drafted to learn how to throw a football properly.

Under the CBA the CS is not allowed to work with any player in the off season.  If the Jets hire a personal QB  coach for him, he becomes part of the coaching staff.  Can't do it.

Hackenberg has a personal QB coach, it's Carson Palmer's brother.  he'll probably work with him a week or so in the off season. 

 

When a OC uses words like " to change guys completely mechanically" don't be expecting Hackenberg to  be ready any time soon

 

[Joe W. Namath]

3 minutes ago, flgreen said:

Under the CBA the CS is not allowed to work with any player in the off season.  If the Jets hire a personal QB  coach for him, he becomes part of the coaching staff.  Can't do it.

Hackenberg has a personal QB coach, it's Carson Palmer's brother.  he'll probably work with him a week or so in the off season. 

 

When a OC uses words like " to change guys completely mechanically" don't be expecting Hackenberg to  be ready any time soon

 

What about Aaron Rodgers brother from the bachelor.  Can we get him to teach hackenberg how to throw the ball.

[flgreen]

4 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

What about Aaron Rodgers brother from the bachelor.  Can we get him to teach hackenberg how to throw the ball.

Or maybe he could give him a few pointers on when to double wrap