Integrity28 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Guys, everyone who has forgotten more football than you will ever know, will tell you that a REAL ULTIMATE COMPETITIVE REBUILD takes no fewer than five years. Essential to the process is gradually becoming worse than the state the team was in when it bottomed out and created your very job opportunity. So, let us not be the worst fans ever and delay, obscure or criticize the fundamental excellence that has us on this 5-year plan to .500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, Beerfish said: Keenum will be back with the vikes and he would be a HUGE mistake. Taylor is good enough to help you get you some wins but imo is not a playoff QB at all. Denver or Arizona are signing Taylor Macc will give Keenum a $50 million deal after he strikes out with Cousins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, Integrity28 said: Guys, everyone who has forgotten more football than you will ever know, will tell you that a REAL ULTIMATE COMPETITIVE REBUILD takes no fewer than five years. Essential to the process is gradually becoming worse than the state the team was in when it bottomed out and created your very job opportunity. So, let us not be the worst fans ever and delay, obscure or criticize the fundamental excellence that has us on this 5-year plan to .500 Where you been the last 48 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, Integrity28 said: Guys, everyone who has forgotten more football than you will ever know, will tell you that a REAL ULTIMATE COMPETITIVE REBUILD takes no fewer than five years. Essential to the process is gradually becoming worse than the state the team was in when it bottomed out and created your very job opportunity. So, let us not be the worst fans ever and delay, obscure or criticize the fundamental excellence that has us on this 5-year plan to .500 Lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, joewilly12 said: Where you been the last 48 years? He’s being facetious rebuilds take at least 10 years in the nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. Some people say Cousins isnt a franchise QB. THis is an interesting term. WHat is the definition of a franchise QB? A leader of men, the face of a franchise! A player that has the ability to carry his team on his back when needed. A guys that has the respect of all his teammates, that you wouldn’t doubt can win a game on the final possession, last drive. I don’t think Cousins is a franchise QB either, the reason..... franchise QBs don’t get traded or slap-dicked around at contract time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 21 minutes ago, gEYno said: To a lot of people, literally everything bad = Bowles and everything okay to good = Mac. To a lot of people, Bowles is allowed to learn on the job but Macc isn't. Both were hired one day apart as rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Where you been the last 48 years? On pretend ignore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Not in this market, where fans will turn on you at the drop of a hat. The fans are already Luke warm with this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Stark said: A leader of men, the face of a franchise! A player that has the ability to carry his team on his back when needed. A guys that has the respect of all his teammates, that you wouldn’t doubt can win a game on the final possession, last drive. I don’t think Cousins is a franchise QB either, the reason..... franchise QBs don’t get traded or slap-dicked around at contract time Is Joe Flacco a franchise QB? Is Matthew Stafford a franchise QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, Philc1 said: We are about to supplant the browns as the biggest joke franchise If you're going to do something, be the best at it...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, Stark said: The fans are already Luke warm with this team First INT. They'll be calling for his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, pointman said: If you're going to do something, be the best at it...? Its hard to surplant 0-16. Screw that 1-31 is hard to surplant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Not if its a early first rd pick QB, not by intelligent fans. .. INTs are expected from rookies, or at least tolerated. It’s a learning and growth process. No rookie qb is a good as he will be on game 1 as he is at end of a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 The Browns have lost 30 of 31 games. That is insane. In a vacuum the Browns are in a better spot than the Jets. But that vacuum doesnt exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 F*CK THIS FRANCHISE. How can anyone think this is encouraging? Macc drafting another QB, and the new QB playing under a defensive Head Coach with no balls. Not surprising the Jets think this a recipe for success... smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, Stark said: Not if its a early first rd pick QB, not by intelligent fans. .. INTs are expected from rookies, or at least tolerated. It’s a learning and growth process. No rookie qb is a good as he will be on game 1 as he is at end of a season. The problem is that the intelligent fans dont make noise. t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Is Joe Flacco a franchise QB? Is Matthew Stafford a franchise QB? Please add Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, David Carr and Andrew Luck to the list. A franchise QB is a guy who can produce in the top 15 in the league, goes through progressions, gets your team in the right play on a regular basis, and doesn't turn the ball over. Brady, Rogers and Rothlisberger aren't just Franchise QBs they are Hall of Famers, thats different then Joe Flacco and you can obviously still win a SB with the Joe Flaccos of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 8 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: You think Bridgewater is gone? no they will both be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Extensions for EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @gEYno for the negative rep I guess it didn't work for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, Beerfish said: no they will both be back. I dont think so. That's trouble waiting to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, BCJet said: Please add Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, David Carr and Andrew Luck to the list. A franchise QB is a guy who can produce in the top 15 in the league, goes through progressions, gets your team in the right play on a regular basis, and doesn't turn the ball over. Brady, Rogers and Rothlisberger aren't just Franchise QBs they are Hall of Famers, thats different then Joe Flacco and you can obviously still win a SB with the Joe Flaccos of the world All of that kind of fits Josh McCown this year. You need to add for multiple years. Which is why I am holding off on naming Watson to that category. I would also add dependable to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The Browns have lost 30 of 31 games. That is insane. In a vacuum the Browns are in a better spot than the Jets. But that vacuum doesnt exist And we are so much better at 10-23 since 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Extensions for EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Suck at your job? Waste high draft picks on scrubs? Bench Chris Ivory for Steven Ridley? Get your extension right here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: The problem is that the intelligent fans dont make noise. t Ha well it doesn’t matter. To use one of your examples, Eli Manning played 9 games threw 9 INTs and 6 TDS so by your logic he should have been cut in 2004 Its a process and everyone knows that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, Stark said: Ha well it doesn’t matter. To use one of your examples, Eli Manning played 9 games threw 9 INTs and 6 TDS so by your logic he should have been cut in 2004 Its a process and everyone knows that.. Fans were calling for it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stark Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Fans were calling for it though So what. No one listenened. The only people that mattere knew there is a development period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Stark said: Ha well it doesn’t matter. To use one of your examples, Eli Manning played 9 games threw 9 INTs and 6 TDS so by your logic he should have been cut in 2004 Its a process and everyone knows that.. Macc would have passed on Eli for Vilma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 “We are very happy to have extended both Mike and Todd. During their time here, they have worked together to help the organization build a foundation on which to grow,” Jets CEO Christopher Johnson said in a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Seen it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Macc would have passed on Eli for Vilma Can’t pass on someone when they get picked 12 spots ahead of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, RoadFan said: F*CK THIS FRANCHISE. How can anyone think this is encouraging? Macc drafting another QB, and the new QB playing under a defensive Head Coach with no balls. Not surprising the Jets think this a recipe for success... smh Jets are becoming the Browns Eastcoast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I dont think so. That's trouble waiting to happen Teams have to get over this way of thinking., always better to have two guys that can play rather than one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 19 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: First INT. They'll be calling for his head This is a meme you routinely parrot but can never back up with a shred of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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