HawkeyeJet Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Well why wouldnt they? Theyve already got their QB, the've already addressed their DL and there isnt a skill position player that deserves to be taken at 2. Not saying they will draft him but not so sure they wouldnt. OL is too important with a FQB on the roster They already have Staley and McClinchy at Tackle. They have a good OL overall. Their top needs are Pass Rusher and corner. They certainly could take Williams and play him at Guard for a few years until Staley retires. They have much more glaring needs though, in my opinion. Who knows, I just would be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: No, why would the HC have final say, thats the GMs job. No matter what some fans believe. And you dont have to entertain the idea that he drafted Darnold or not. Of course he did and the stance makes no sense though. But you can also believe the world is flat, there were no dinosaurs or the moon landing was a hoax I’ll go with the full proof conclusive fact and believe you’re a nut ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 12/30/2018 at 4:43 PM, Doggin94it said: Josh Allen, OLB, Kentucky The Ghoul II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 allen if available if not trade back or take the best wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 34 minutes ago, CotcheryifyouCan said: allen if available if not trade back or take the best wr Who is going to block for Darnold and the backs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Who is going to block for Darnold and the backs?Even if we draft 5 new OL this year, we’d need to pick up at least 1-2 free agents.Drafted OL can’t be trusted to start right away these days. Not with the steep learning curve moving from the spread offenses in college to the pros. You draft OL to develop a pipeline of sorts, while free agents provide a “bridge”.We need to draft OL this year because of our complete and utter neglect there the last 4 years. But it doesn’t require using a 1st rounder there. And it will most definitely require free agent investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Who is going to block for Darnold and the backs? i would pay 1 or 2 o line in fa and draft all o line in the draft after the first. but im no gm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, New York Mick said: If they can trade back they should look at Little then Taylor. I hope they do trade back and pick up a OT in the first and a WR or OC/OG in the second. Obviously depending on FA. Absolutely a huge f'in no to Little. A bust in the making and you'll see him slide down come draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Even if we draft 5 new OL this year, we’d need to pick up at least 1-2 free agents. Drafted OL can’t be trusted to start right away these days. Not with the steep learning curve moving from the spread offenses in college to the pros. You draft OL to develop a pipeline of sorts, while free agents provide a “bridge”. We need to draft OL this year because of our complete and utter neglect there the last 4 years. But it doesn’t require using a 1st rounder there. And it will most definitely require free agent investment. Not true especially when you consider draft position. We've had a couple of rookies in Martin and now Nelson make first team all-pro in their rookie seasons. However I do agree if they came from a strictly spread offense and never played in a three point stance then the learning curve can be steep. Jonah Williams is a player that you can plug and play as a rookie and I think he'll be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 Teams with great passrushers aren’t doing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Teams with great passrushers aren’t doing so well. They were a 43 yard field goal away from advancing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, chirorob said: They were a 43 yard field goal away from advancing A loss is a loss a win is a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 9:00 PM, Jetsfan80 said: Even if we draft 5 new OL this year, we’d need to pick up at least 1-2 free agents. Drafted OL can’t be trusted to start right away these days. Not with the steep learning curve moving from the spread offenses in college to the pros. You draft OL to develop a pipeline of sorts, while free agents provide a “bridge”. The Todd Bowles philosophy. Seriously I get what you are saying. If Jets did draft 1st round O-linenman I would expect him too start 4th, 5th or 6th rounder not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, New York Mick said: A loss is a loss a win is a win. So, if the Bears had a better kicker, that would help prove a good pass rush is important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, chirorob said: So, if the Bears had a better kicker, that would help prove a good pass rush is important? The Bears, Texans, Vikes, Broncos, Browns, Seahawks, Cards, Skins, Steelers all had top sacks guys. LA and KC are the only two left with top sack guys and both have top scoring offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, chirorob said: So, if the Bears had a better kicker, that would help prove a good pass rush is important? Or, if the Bears had stopped the Eagles on the drive before the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeves Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 59 minutes ago, chirorob said: So, if the Bears had a better kicker, that would help prove a good pass rush is important? No, but one sack in a playoff game is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigalbarracuda Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Did I overdo it with this one? I think you get 3-4 starters out of this draft, solidify a weak unit and support Sam. Round 1 Pick 3: Williams, Jonah, OT, Alabama Round 3 Pick 3: Lindstrom, Chris, OG, Boston College Round 3 Pick 31: Burkett, Jesse, C, Stanford Round 4 Pick 3: Sills V, David, WR, West Virginia Round 5 Pick 3: Scharping, Max, OT, Northern Illinois Round 7 Pick 3: Langley, Isaiah, CB, Southern California Round 7 Pick 4: Connelly, Ryan, ILB, Wisconsin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, New York Mick said: The Bears, Texans, Vikes, Broncos, Browns, Seahawks, Cards, Skins, Steelers all had top sacks guys. LA and KC are the only two left with top sack guys and both have top scoring offenses. Well that solves it. Only 5 playoffs teams had elite pass rushers therefore it’s clearly passe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Greensleeves said: No, but one sack in a playoff game is bad. Allen had 3 in his bowl game and people are saying that’s bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, chirorob said: So, if the Bears had a better kicker, that would help prove a good pass rush is important? If the kick was an inch to the right it would have vindicated the Mack trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Allen had 3 in his bowl game and people are saying that’s bad You obviously still haven’t watched the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Well that solves it. Only 5 playoffs teams had elite pass rushers therefore it’s clearly passe It’s not about making the wildcard. It’s about building the next dynasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, New York Mick said: You obviously still haven’t watched the game. You’re the same guy who tried to say the SEC wasn’t elite competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, New York Mick said: It’s not about making the wildcard. It’s about building the next dynasty. Bosa and Ingram are doing ok I heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Philc1 said: You’re the same guy who tried to say the SEC wasn’t elite competition I’m the same person that said college football isn’t elite compared to the NFL and that has nothing to do with you not watching a game and just quoting the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Philc1 said: Bosa and Ingram are doing ok I heard And so are Okung (6th) and Pouncey (15th). Rivers was sacked once against a very good defense, one guy on the line was drafted after the 3rd round. The team had 7 sacks Bosa (3rd) and Gordon (15th) had 3 combined. Next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Jason Peters was the MVP of yesterday's game. He freaking stoned Khalil Mack for the most part. We need to fix our Oline so Sam can do work. I'd have no problem taking Jonah Williams if he's there. Gonna watch him vs a great Clemson front. We get to see both Jonah & Quinnen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 If we do not trade the pick for a pick later in the first round, a second and third round pick it will be a failure. But I think they should wait until Draft Day to pull the trigger on any trade because if Quinnen Williams, IMO we can get a team to overpay for the value of the #3 selection because Williams is that good. If we can't get our asking price, and Williams is sitting there at 3, the Jets have to take him because he is that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 hours ago, New York Mick said: It’s not about making the wildcard. It’s about building the next dynasty. Pass rush is a cornerstone piece to building a consistent winner. Its especially important if you already have your QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 29 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Pass rush is a cornerstone piece to building a consistent winner. Its especially important if you already have your QB. Protecting the QB and getting him playmakers is the cornerstone of winning period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Protecting the QB and getting him playmakers is the cornerstone of winning period. Protecting the QB from what? Oh, right, pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 There is a really good chance the Jets fill their pass rushing need in free agency. If they do this, I'd bet my life that if we stay at #3 the pick is Greedy Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Pass rush is a cornerstone piece to building a consistent winner. Its especially important if you already have your QB. IMO, 3 positions are "final" pieces of the puzzle type players: RB, WR, Edge Rusher. The first order of business in building a winning club is finding a QB because if you don't have a real good one, the rest doesn't matter. The second step is to build your O line and D front 7 dedicating most of your picks in the first 3 or 4 rounds to these spots. Why? Because if you dominate the line of scrimmage then you win the game. A dominant O line and D front 7 along with a QB are the cornerstones of a consistent winner. You may have noticed that the Patriots have won 5 SBs without a dominant Edge Rusher. Along the way you scatter some picks in the first 4 rounds on your secondary. After all, with the way the NFL works, shut down corners are a thing of the past, and if a game changing CB or S happens to be the BPA when the pick comes around, you can pick him up. Then, you can look to add your #1 WR, 3 down RB, and Edge Rusher with top picks in the draft. The logic of this is that it allows these 3 types of players to contribute big time from day 1 because all of the rest of the pieces are in place. It is tough for RB to get yards without a hole made by his O line, a #1 WR can't catch a ball the QB didn't throw because his was under pressure, and an Edge Rusher is far less impactful if he is constantly double teamed (and is most useful when your team is very good and playing with the lead in the 4th quarter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Protecting the QB from what? Oh, right, pass rushers. Yes from a passrusher because a good oline negates a good passrush. Darnold and scoring points is the future of this team. Build around the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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