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World class athlete.

Most likely the best player on every team he was ever on until he got to the NFL.

Never had the luxury of being on a very good team.

Made +- 50 mill during a long career.

Never was a thug or a club house malcontent.

Was competent at a job only maybe 64 people in the whole world could be hired for.

And some want to call him a loser. SMH

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13 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

World class athlete.

Most likely the best player on every team he was ever on until he got to the NFL.

Never had the luxury of being on a very good team.

Made +- 50 mill during a long career.

Never was a thug or a club house malcontent.

Was competent at a job only maybe 64 people in the whole world could be hired for.

And some want to call him a loser. SMH

always ate his vegetables

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30 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

World class athlete.

Most likely the best player on every team he was ever on until he got to the NFL.

Never had the luxury of being on a very good team.

Made +- 50 mill during a long career.

Never was a thug or a club house malcontent.

Was competent at a job only maybe 64 people in the whole world could be hired for.

And some want to call him a loser. SMH

Yep....  NOT his fault he played for the Jets. :)

But think of all the world class QB's that busted.  McCown has nothing to be ashamed of.

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1 minute ago, southparkcpa said:

Yep....  NOT his fault he played for the Jets. :)

But think of all the world class QB's that busted.  McCown has nothing to be ashamed of.

Only here will a few dump on an exemplary teammate and good human being. 

Because he didn’t happen to be a star yet made funny money where some huge assholes stole a LOT more.  

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31 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

always ate his vegetables

Just like Bukowski...☺

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1 hour ago, Losmeister said:

show class cos teh guy was a classy dosser. ok i get it. **** meritocracy.

No one is saying he was a good NFL QB... just saying some positive words about a good guy who put together an impressive career on his way out the door.  Your response is telling.

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15 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Honestly Josh McCown probably picked the wrong position, or sport to go pro in dude is one of the best athletes on that Jets team last year period, getting 50 million is doing good for yourself, just wonder if he played other sports in college and High School where he could have gone pro.

I agree, you ever see him hoop at the court? Guy has a clean jump shot. I’m like is that Klay Thompson out there? He can play some basketball.

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McCown lasted 17 years in a tough League. I wasn't a fan of his signing, but he did what he was brought here to do. Guy was a career back-up who had a starters ability to grasp the game mentally but couldn't do it on the field. He could be a pretty good Offensive coach one day if he chose too. Good Luck McCown. I am so glad I will never see you under center for this team again.

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I for one didn’t want him here and now I can’t help but believe he was and is one of the best people as a person to ever put on a Jets uniform.....

And I am truly sad to see him go 

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yall are crazy ...    again...  nuthn against the PERSON at all...

go to your local fire dept if ya wanna praise good guys. 

best he could do is be a backup on bad teams and i am suposed to kiss his arse? jets fans are dumbfounding

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3 hours ago, Kleckineau said:

World class athlete.

Most likely the best player on every team he was ever on until he got to the NFL.

Never had the luxury of being on a very good team.

Made +- 50 mill during a long career.

Never was a thug or a club house malcontent.

Was competent at a job only maybe 64 people in the whole world could be hired for.

And some want to call him a loser. SMH

He wasn't a good professional QB.  

He lost what, 66%+ of his starts?

Ffs do we suddenly feel the need to spin a journeyman QB who had a cup of coffee here into some all-time great? :rolleyes:

 

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15 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

yall are crazy ...    again...  nuthn against the PERSON at all...

go to your local fire dept if ya wanna praise good guys. 

best he could do is be a backup on bad teams and i am suposed to kiss his arse? jets fans are dumbfounding

Why are you typing in some quasi-British+Gucci Mane accent. 

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10 minutes ago, slats said:

Kirk Cousins has a <.500 career record and you wanted to give him $30M/year guaranteed. 

What does that have to do with evaluating John McCown's career? :-k

 

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14 minutes ago, Warfish said:

What does that have to do with evaluating John McCown's career? :-k

 

I like consistency. McCown played his career on bad teams, gets no benefit of the doubt. Cousins plays on mediocre teams, gets $30M/year.

McCown is what he is, and the Jets overpaid him, but that was on Mac not Josh. By all accounts he was a great teammate to everyone and especially Sam. A good veteran to have in the locker room. And whatever you think of his play, it's still very much undecided whether the Jets have upgraded their backup QB spot this year. 

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slats, you know i wouldnt touch cousins with a ten foot pole.

 

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wouldnt even touch him with mariusz la shad

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8 minutes ago, slats said:

I like consistency.

Consistent mediocre journeyman play is the very definition of Josh McCown's career. 

Are we really going to have to debate even this now?  

When will we retire his number, eh?:rolleyes:

8 minutes ago, slats said:

McCown played his career on bad teams, gets no benefit of the doubt. Cousins plays on mediocre teams, gets $30M/year.

McCown, 99 games, 76 starts, 23-53 record, never really anyone's starter, Avg' about 178 yards passing a game, never threw for more than 3,000 yards in a year, played for 8 teams, pretty much a 1:1 TD/INT guy (98 v. 82), 60% comp percentage guy.  

Cousins, 78 games, 73 starts, 34-37-2 record, 4 year no-question starter, Avg. about 262 yards passing a game, threw over 4,000 yards 4 years in a row, 2:1 TD/INT Ratio (129 to 65), 67% completion guy.

One of these two is a franchise QB.  One of them is a journeyman fill-in guy with a good attitude.

While Jets fans may have trouble seeing the difference, be assured, the NFL didn't have any trouble.

8 minutes ago, slats said:

McCown is what he is, and the Jets overpaid him

Amazed you'd even admit he was overpaid, figured you would make some excuse about how much his "mentorship" was worth.

8 minutes ago, slats said:

By all accounts he was a great teammate to everyone and especially Sam. A good veteran to have in the locker room. And whatever you think of his play, it's still very much undecided whether the Jets have upgraded their backup QB spot this year. 

Ah, there it is.

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all hail Chase Daniel, i hope we sign him for 11 million a year

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3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

While Jets fans may have trouble seeing the difference, be assured, the NFL didn't have any trouble

The NFL? Only the Jets and Minnesota bid on him, and both organizations probably regret it. 

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Amazed you'd even admit he was overpaid, figured you would make some excuse about how much his "mentorship" was worth.

That's because you don't discuss things with me, you discuss them with some strawman version of me. He wasn't worth $10M/year, but I don't put that blame on him. Mac just handed it to him. Different than Fitz, who douched his way into $10M he didn't deserve (another QB you were all on board with, iirc). 

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Josh McCown got $10M for one year.

Kirk Cousin's $84M contract is fully guaranteed, and is going to cost them some very good players over the next 2 seasons. 

Cousins has proven to be incapable of beating good teams, even with a solid roster.  It'll be fun to see how he does when the team loses all/some of the following:  LT Riley Reiff, WR Stefon Diggs, WR Adam Thielen, TE Kyle Rudolph, CB Xavier Rhodes, DE Danielle Hunter, DE Everson Griffen, DT Linval Joseph, CB Trae Waynes, S Harrison Smith, ILB Eric Kendricks and S Anthony Harris. 

All of those above players had "front-loaded" deals (and thus will be looking for new deals in 1-2 seasons) or are upcoming FA's. 

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16 minutes ago, slats said:

The NFL? Only the Jets and Minnesota bid on him, and both organizations probably regret it.

You have no idea who expressed interest in Cousins.

You have no basis for a claim that Minn. "regrets it".

And we only "don't regret it" because of the Giants poor drafting, not anything we did.  Replace Darnold with Rosen, and we might all be singing a different tune today.

16 minutes ago, slats said:

That's because you don't discuss things with me, you discuss them with some strawman version of me.

Says a guy who engages in logical fallacies and strawmen arguments in nearly every post.  

16 minutes ago, slats said:

He wasn't worth $10M/year, but I don't put that blame on him. Mac just handed it to him. Different than Fitz, who douched his way into $10M he didn't deserve (another QB you were all on board with, iirc). 

That's cool, I didn't know you were in the room during both negotiations.  Always good to get the team insider's perspecti......on right, you're have no idea what was said or done in those negotiations.  In before "but Mehta said....".

Fitz >= McCown.  Both were very much disposable journeymen.  One was fun, one was apparently a really nice guy on the sidelines.  We were demonstrably better with Fitz than we were with McCown.  

You stood by Geno Smith (over Fitz) and Josh McCown and you didn't want to draft Darnold, although you came around. 

I stood with Fitz (over Geno) and Cousins and I wanted Baker Mayfield, and like you, I came around on Darnold.  

 

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9 minutes ago, Warfish said:

And we only "don't regret it" because of the Giants poor drafting, not anything we did.  Replace Darnold with Rosen, and we might all be singing a different tune today. 

  

I'd rather have Josh Rosen and McCown/Semian than Kirk Cousins, even with hindsight as a guide.  Cousins is a dead-end QB.  Just good enough to give you hope.  Not good enough to lift your franchise, and costs you too much in the opportunity cost category.

Even if Rosen is a bust, at least the cap hit is marginal and you can re-enter the QB market in the next draft or 2, much like the Cardinals did 1 year later.  The Vikings can't afford to draft a QB because all their chips are in the center on Cousins, and they can't tank properly anyways.  A typical late 1st round/early 2nd QB like a Paxton Lynch, Deshone Kizer, Lamar Jackson or Drew Lock rarely moves the needle for a franchise. 

It's not just about Cousins vs. a young QB and how he plays.  It's what you give up by signing Cousins.  You give up loads of cap space to be used on other players + indirectly give away draft capital.

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13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I'd rather have Josh Rosen and McCown/Semian than Kirk Cousins, even with hindsight as a guide.

I wouldn't.  

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Cousins is a dead-end QB.  Just good enough to give you hope.  Not good enough to lift your franchise, and costs you too much in the opportunity cost category.

I don't agree.  He is a properly compensated franchise QB who throws every year for 4,000+ yards and 25+ TD's to half that in INT's.  Winning a team achievement and no QB can do it alone.

I would literally kill to have Sam Darnold put up Cousins-like numbers this year.  Hope would be a nice change of pace here.  Jets fan talk a great game about how other teams guys "suck".....when our guys care barely produce half those "sucky" guys production, and our fans deify those guys.

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Even if Rosen is a bust, at least the cap hit is marginal and you can re-enter the QB market in the next draft or 2, much like the Cardinals did 1 year later.  The Vikings can't afford to draft a QB because all their chips are in the center on Cousins, and they can't tank properly anyways.  A typical late 1st round QB like a Lamar Jackson or Drew Lock rarely moves the needle for a franchise. 

It's not just about Cousins vs. a young QB and how he plays.  It's what you give up by signing Cousins.  You give up loads of cap space to be used on other players + indirectly give away draft capital.

If we spent every $$ of our cap every year, and were in cap hell, the cap argument might hold more weight with me.  We don't and it doesn't.

But let me ask, just curious, but does this matter, at all, now?

We have Darnold.  We all support Darnold, right?  Many of us took different routes in terms of personal preferences before Darnold to get there, but we're all there now.

Is there a point to this rehashing debates from years ago now beyond trying to paint the laughable McCown era as anything other than a total failure for the franchise?

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4 hours ago, TeddEY said:

No one is saying he was a good NFL QB... just saying some positive words about a good guy who put together an impressive career on his way out the door.  Your response is telling.

If you need to explain this to someone, its on them and its also safe to assume theyll never get it

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5 hours ago, Kleckineau said:

World class athlete.

Most likely the best player on every team he was ever on until he got to the NFL.

Never had the luxury of being on a very good team.

Made +- 50 mill during a long career.

Never was a thug or a club house malcontent.

Was competent at a job only maybe 64 people in the whole world could be hired for.

And some want to call him a loser. SMH

Admitted he was addicted to porn?

Honest.

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22 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Is there a point to this rehashing debates from years ago now beyond trying to paint the laughable McCown era as anything other than a total failure for the franchise?

What does any of this have to do with wishing a classy guy well in his future endeavours?

 

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38 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I don't agree.  He is a properly compensated franchise QB who throws every year for 4,000+ yards and 25+ TD's to half that in INT's.  Winning a team achievement and no QB can do it alone.

I don't watch the games, but I read the box scores and only take w-l records into account when I'm crapping on someone who, by all accounts, was a fine Jet teammate. 

Tannehill and Cousins and their numbers. 

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22 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

He is a jag and or journeyman but not a loser. 

I think it took everything he had every season for 17 years to be a journeyman and that isnt a loser.

Oh, the :feels:

His career record as a QB makes him a loser.  Winners win more than they lose.  Losers lose more than they win.  Is this really hard to understand?  He lost vastly more than he won, all the :feels: in the world won't change it.

He could have lost 2 games for every win for 150 years, he'd still be a loser.  And the fact that he did most of that losing elsewhere makes it even more odd the way Jets Fans are constantly bending over backwards to praise this guy and defend him.

His only redeeming quality in his time in NY was "he was a nice guy".  

22 minutes ago, Kleckineau said:

There have been plenty of guys worthy of being called losers,  Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Art Schlister, even Mark Sanchez  guys with talent who were just lazy, dumb or worse.

Being a loser JAG =/= being an all-time bust.  There are degrees of badness, obviously.

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2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Oh, the :feels:

His career record as a QB makes him a loser.  Winners win more than they lose.  Losers lose more than they win.  Is this really hard to understand?  He lost vastly more than he won, all the :feels: in the world won't change it.

He could have lost 2 games for every win for 150 years, he'd still be a loser.  And the fact that he did most of that losing elsewhere makes it even more odd the way Jets Fans are constantly bending over backwards to praise this guy and defend him.

His only redeeming quality in his time in NY was "he was a nice guy".  

Being a loser JAG =/= being an all-time bust.  There are degrees of badness, obviously.

Oh, the:fails:

Nonsensical rant with stealthy adjective switch from initial position, guys a loser over to degrees of badness. Progress.

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5 hours ago, Warfish said:

Oh, the :feels:

His career record as a QB makes him a loser.  Winners win more than they lose.  Losers lose more than they win.  Is this really hard to understand?  He lost vastly more than he won, all the :feels: in the world won't change it.

He could have lost 2 games for every win for 150 years, he'd still be a loser.  And the fact that he did most of that losing elsewhere makes it even more odd the way Jets Fans are constantly bending over backwards to praise this guy and defend him.

His only redeeming quality in his time in NY was "he was a nice guy".  

Being a loser JAG =/= being an all-time bust.  There are degrees of badness, obviously.

Seems to me the :feels: is taking umbrage with the fact that some Jets fans have positive things to say about a guy who wasn't brought in to win games, but rather to hold the fort for a guy who was drafted in the 2nd round, and never threw an NFL pass, and only started because the aforementioned guy was so bad that he couldn't be trusted to throw the aforementioned NFL pass.

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8 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Only here will a few dump on an exemplary teammate and good human being. 

Because he didn’t happen to be a star yet made funny money where some huge assholes stole a LOT more.  

But the same people worship Bilal Powell

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As the designated starter, Josh McCown completed 67% of his throws at 7.4 ypa with a 2:1 TD:int ratio on a bad football team in 2017. The kind of numbers that would get $30M guaranteed from some of his detractors here. On the field he looked like he hit the wall last year. Not shocking he chose to retire this year. But Sam appreciated everything the man had to offer. Dude deserves some accolades from Jet fans, not derision. 

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