Sperm Edwards Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Jamal Adams didn't draft Jamal Adams and do you really think those other QB's would be as good as they are on the current NY Jets roster. Yabba dabba do. They would be great QBs because they're great. Did you really think Ryan Fitzpatrick would have his best ever season (by far) here? How about Josh McCown completing almost 70% of his passes with that half a Pennington arm of his? I know it's comforting to tell yourself we were in no-win situations, but we weren't. Especially if we didn't then draft another ****ing safety right after him, followed by 2 bust WRs, no hits with our late rounders, and then with the pick after Darnold - which we also would have still had to use on another position (as well as 3 more 2nd rounders) - another ****ing DT. Hell yes they could have been great here. If the rationale is "if we drafted Mahomes, and then still picked a safety and bust WRs and then bust DTs and a teaser TE and then further blew every pick we also sank into Darnold..." yeah sure. But what a narrow argument to make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: So you know for a fact what JD would do with the picks if he trades Jamal Adams or what he's doing with the #11 pick. Is that what I said or are you putting words in my mouth to dress your point up better? I said he will not go DT and that much is clear to anyone with an idea of the Jets roster needs, team direction or anything to do with it. What DT is even worth #11 in this draft? None. I do not know who he will pick, but we have a small range of players we know that he will target being that the roster situation is in obvious state of emergency in the OL and playmaker department. It doesn’t take a genius GM to sit here, watch all 16 games and come away with the impression that OL and playmakers are needed above all. It also doesn’t take a genius GM to know we just had the #1 rush defense in the league with 6th rounders and UDFA’s. So please, again, tell me why that would even be an option? Safe to say he isn’t going to DT and you are just wasting both of our times blowing hot air smh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, JiF said: He wouldnt even been selected in the top 200!!!!!! Clearly I was wrong in the clutch. He's so clutch, he'd be picked 12th! Ahead of Tom Brady, Drew Brees and almost all the QB's in the NFL. That's ALOT of clutch! More clutch than a QB can clutch! At this level of clutch, we should definitely have our clutch GM sign him to a clutch long term deal making him the highest paid clutch defender in the NFL. His clutch play in big meaningful clutch games really earned that clutchy clutchy kind of money! BE CLUTCH WOODY, SIGN THE CHECK WOODY! CLUTCH! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Why though? I'm not arguing he's not a good safety. He's not a difference maker. I'd move him right now for a pick in the top half of the draft as opposed to paying him. I'd rather spend it on some lineman instead of making a safety our highest paid guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Yabba dabba do. They would be great QBs because they're great. Did you really think Ryan Fitzpatrick would have his best ever season (by far) here? How about Josh McCown completing almost 70% of his passes with that half a Pennington arm of his? I know it's comforting to tell yourself we were in no-win situations, but we weren't. Especially if we didn't then draft another ****ing safety right after him, followed by 2 bust WRs, no hits with our late rounders, and then with the pick after Darnold - which we also would have still had to use on another position (as well as 3 more 2nd rounders) - another ****ing DT. Hell yes they could have been great here. If the rationale is "if we drafted Mahomes, and then still picked a safety and bust WRs and then bust DTs and a teaser TE and then further blew every pick we also sank into Darnold..." yeah sure. But what a narrow argument to make. BAM BAM Ryan Fitzpatrick had 2 decent WR's in Marshall and Decker and we had the easiest schedule in the NFL that year. No way in hell can anyone say Mahomes and Watson would have been great here and guarantee success, it can be said in conversation only. The NY Jets drafted Jamal Adams and he's a great player that's a fact. What if..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: The NY Jets drafted Jamal Adams and he's a great player that's a fact. On the worst Offensive team in the NFL that started 1-7 and was eliminated before the halfway point, with him starting every game. CLUTCH!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, Warfish said: On the worst Offensive team in the NFL that started 1-7 with him starting every game. CLUTCH!!! Jamal Adams doesn't play offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Jamal Adams doesn't play offense. Ahh, yes, the entire problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Ahh, yes, the entire problem. Luke Falk lost 4 games. Luke Falk is not an NFL starting caliber QB,ironically he was not signed by any team when he was released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Sam Darnold saw ghosts was that Jamal Adams fault too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Jamal Adams doesn't play offense. You're right. He doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Luke Falk lost 4 games. Luke Falk is not an NFL starting caliber QB,ironically he was not signed by any team when he was released. 7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Sam Darnold saw ghosts was that Jamal Adams fault too. You totally aren’t understanding.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Luke Falk is the biggest scape goat in the last 25 years for the jets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 “When you combine Adams' leadership skills with his tenacious style of play, it's obvious he should become thehighest-paid safety in NFL history this offseason.“ How many fans just got.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Luke Falk is the biggest scape goat in the last 25 years for the jets. False. Wayne Hunter, OT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, joewilly12 said: He is the only NY Jets player remotely close to being on the list. He’s not even the best player on our defense. Mosley did more in 1/2 than Adams has in 3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: BAM BAM Ryan Fitzpatrick had 2 decent WR's in Marshall and Decker and we had the easiest schedule in the NFL that year. No way in hell can anyone say Mahomes and Watson would have been great here and guarantee success, it can be said in conversation only. The NY Jets drafted Jamal Adams and he's a great player that's a fact. What if..................... Yawn. Yes I can and do say that the game's best players would be great elsewhere. Even here. It would involve a minor change in philosophy, since it's not just a simple swap: the same stupid philosophy that led to drafting a safety over two franchise QBs (neither of whom you could have messed up picking) is the one that led to other overthinking garbage picks. But also because we'd still get those 4 high picks we wouldn't then use on Darnold, and the much higher we wouldn't have in 2019 when we were "trapped" into taking another ****ing DT. The problem is you take the rest of the team as-was as a given. I do not. Mahomes or Watson PLUS 2017 2nd rounder -- not another ****ing safety right after drafting your FQB 2018 1st rounder -- not traded away for Darnold 2018 2nd rounder -- not traded away for Darnold 2018 2nd rounder -- not traded away for Darnold 2018 3rd rounder -- how about a pick to support the FQB instead of a ****ing DT we didn't need? Baltimore did. Twice right after the Shepherd pick. How about a probowl LT? That'd be nice. 2019 1st rounder -- we wouldn't be picking 3rd, so remove the pressure to take the "value" pick of a ***ing DT 2019 2nd rounder -- not traded away for Darnold 2019 3rd rounder -- build more around your QB instead of Polite, or just take any player everyone else didn't treat like he was made of plutonium So I'm even presuming from 2017+ that idiot still drafted those 2 useless stiff WRs, the drunk driver, the worthless backup RBs, and more. Herndon seemed fine, when he was on the field. And the total differences between this and the team we have? No Adams, no Maye, no Shepherd, no Darnold, no QW. As of right now Mahomes or Watson alone is arguably worth more than those 5 players. With those 7 high draft picks added in, it's not even up for discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustEndTheSuffering Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 How could a player that’s been in nothing but mostly meaningless regular season games be clutch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, JustEndTheSuffering said: How could a player that’s been in nothing but mostly meaningless regular season games be clutch? Ask Christian McCaffrey? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Yawn. Yes I can and do say that the game's best players would be great elsewhere. Even here. It would involve a minor change in philosophy, since it's not just a simple swap: the same stupid philosophy that led to drafting a safety over two franchise QBs (neither of whom you could have messed up picking) is the one that led to other overthinking garbage picks. But also because we'd still get those 4 high picks we wouldn't then use on Darnold, and the much higher we wouldn't have in 2019 when we were "trapped" into taking another ****ing DT. The problem is you take the rest of the team as-was as a given. I do not. Mahomes or Watson PLUS 2017 2nd rounder -- not another ****ing safety right after drafting your FQB 2018 1st rounder -- not traded away for Darnold 2018 2nd rounder -- not traded away for Darnold 2018 2nd rounder -- not traded away for Darnold 2018 3rd rounder -- how about a pick to support the FQB instead of a ****ing DT we didn't need? Baltimore did. Twice right after the Shepherd pick. How about a probowl LT? That'd be nice. 2019 1st rounder -- we wouldn't be picking 3rd, so remove the pressure to take the "value" pick of a ***ing DT 2019 2nd rounder -- not traded away for Darnold 2019 3rd rounder -- build more around your QB instead of Polite, or just take any player everyone else didn't treat like he was made of plutonium So I'm even presuming from 2017+ that idiot still drafted those 2 useless stiff WRs, the drunk driver, the worthless backup RBs, and more. Herndon seemed fine, when he was on the field. And the total differences between this and the team we have? No Adams, no Maye, no Shepherd, no Darnold, no QW. As of right now Mahomes or Watson alone is arguably worth more than those 5 players. With those 7 high draft picks added in, it's not even up for discussion. Is there something wrong with you? Trying to be logical to the illogical. It’s like talking to the wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Why do people around here get so annoyed when he gets some love? Yes, he is a self-promoter but the guy is a pretty good player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustEndTheSuffering Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: Ask Christian McCaffrey? Same goes for him. Good player but hasn’t shown me he’s clutch. In order to be clutch you have to come up big in big games. Adams hasn’t played a single big game in his NFL career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: Jamal Adams is not the best player on D. CJ Mosley came in and completely impacted the game against Buffalo...left and right..all damn day. He played half a game...you’re greatest ability is your availability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: Is there something wrong with you? Trying to be logical to the illogical. It’s like talking to the wall. I had some free time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Just now, redlichtie said: He played half a game...you’re greatest ability is your availability Hackenberg was available for 32 games in his 2 seasons here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said: Hackenberg was available for 32 games in his 2 seasons here What does that have to do with anything?....pretty obviously Hackenburg’s only ability was his availability....has absolutely zero to do with my previous point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 No Russell Wilson?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: He’s not even the best player on our defense. Mosley did more in 1/2 than Adams has in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, redlichtie said: What does that have to do with anything?....pretty obviously Hackenburg’s only ability was his availability....has absolutely zero to do with my previous point You just said one's greatest ability is availability, and left it at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 24 minutes ago, redlichtie said: He played half a game...you’re greatest ability is your availability Cool stuff, that still doesn’t make Jamal Adams better. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Up next: Gil Brandt's 12 Best Calcium Channel Blockers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Tough to see the anti-Adams crowd get beat up like this so much nowadays #FutureHOFer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, BigRy56 said: Tough to see the anti-Adams crowd get beat up like this so much nowadays #FutureHOFer Tough to see the pro-Adams crowd take participation trophies such as Gil Brandt top 12 clutch lists. Will you all hang banners as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Luke Falk is the biggest scape goat in the last 25 years for the jets. An NFL team played a quarter of their season with their #3 QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Chandler Jones had 19 sacks this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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