49ers RB Raheem Mostert requests trade

[Jetsfan80]

35 minutes ago, JiF said:

oh ok

Advanced analytics are ghey.  Standard numbers are ghey.  Just base your opinions on players on feelings, man.  That's all that matters.  ***Blows smoke***

[Jet Nut]

11 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Special teams contract. He out-played in and has gotten a promotion. Compensation should be updated. Or trade. I’d do the same thing.

Its so obvious, dont get the push back.

Hes being paid as a scrub STs player and now hes a successful feature back who helped get his team to the SB and some are screaming that he has 2 years left on his STs deal?  This happens all the time in sports and the player gets paid what hes worth.  As they should.

[jeremy2020]

12 hours ago, Lurker89 said:

Knew running backs had become passe still kind of surprised the list tops out at 16 mil for three salaries. 

Side note at least we are at the top of the league in something.... Misallocating funds ?.

wait until you see what they're paying safeties..

[Beerfish]

21 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

This isn't really fair. 

Guys like Mostert slave away at the bottom/lower levels.  Comparing him to Revis, WIlkerson and Trumaine Johnson is ridiculous.  The inequity in their treatment is why players stick it to the man when they have the chance.

Mostert is 28 and his last contract was signed while he was under a tender.  He came out in 2005 and he will be 30 when he is a free agent.  The way the NFL structures the contracts is screwing him in the ass.  He won't be able to make up for sh*t.  I get not wanting to be the team that pays guys like this, but I do not understand begrudging the guy his attempt to get paid.

The point is that everyone and their dog on an established deal wants to renegotiate.  Correct?

And they want to renegotiate because they have out performed their present deal right?  "I've played much better thus I deserve more money"

Then we get the players that get the big money and play  no where near as they are being paid. 

As I said in my other post, if you have a problem the way the NFL structures contracts bring it up in the next CBA and gt it changed.

It's unfortunate for him that he plays the easiest position to replace and the team has depth there.

[JustInFudge]

10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Advanced analytics are ghey.  Standard numbers are ghey.  Just base your opinions on players on feelings, man.  That's all that matters.  ***Blows smoke***

Morstet flash in the pans happen every year.  He's been in the league 5 years and dude had a little pop and you think he's the best RB in the league.

Your take, is laughable. 

 

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Morstet flash in the pans happen every year.  He's been in the league 5 years and dude had a little pop and you think he's the best RB in the league.

Your take, is laughable. 

 

Never said he is a top RB.  Only that he isn't a JAG.  He's a solid north-south runner who is probably somewhere in the top 12-15 among backs. 

That is a proper and fair take, one which I used all the information at my disposal to make.

[#27TheDominator]

11 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

The point is that everyone and their dog on an established deal wants to renegotiate.  Correct?

And they want to renegotiate because they have out performed their present deal right?  "I've played much better thus I deserve more money"

Then we get the players that get the big money and play  no where near as they are being paid. 

As I said in my other post, if you have a problem the way the NFL structures contracts bring it up in the next CBA and gt it changed.

It's unfortunate for him that he plays the easiest position to replace and the team has depth there

Sure.  Makes perfect sense.  Wait until the next CBA when you aren't in the league and change the structure.  That will certainly help Mostert maximize his earnings. The NFLPA helps the few at the expense of the many.  The NFL owners feed into this, and the nature of the game makes everybody expendable.  I don't know about you, but I'd do what I could to make the most money and I wouldn't just sit on my ass and say oh well, maybe I will get paid in 2025 when I am a 35 year old running back. 

You act like he signed a fair market deal.  He didn't, he was under a tender.  Yes, he did get some concessions and in exchange he signed for longer, but your argument is silly.  You think teams don't do the same?  Look at D'Brick.  He signed his deal and he played up to it.  He was getting older and they asked him to take a pay cut.  Similar with Pete Kendall and numerous others.  

[Jetsfan80]

10 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Sure.  Makes perfect sense.  Wait until the next CBA when you aren't in the league and change the structure.  That will certainly help Mostert maximize his earnings. The NFLPA helps the few at the expense of the many.  The NFL owners feed into this, and the nature of the game makes everybody expendable.  I don't know about you, but I'd do what I could to make the most money and I wouldn't just sit on my ass and say oh well, maybe I will get paid in 2025 when I am a 35 year old running back. 

You act like he signed a fair market deal.  He didn't, he was under a tender.  Yes, he did get some concessions and in exchange he signed for longer, but your argument is silly.  You think teams don't do the same?  Look at D'Brick.  He signed his deal and he played up to it.  He was getting older and they asked him to take a pay cut.  Similar with Pete Kendall and numerous others.  

 

Yep, not only do RBs get screwed by the system (hence why Dalvin Cook is threatening to hold out too), but Mostert has gotten screwed more than other backs by how the CBA works.

He's the # 23 paid RB in the league in 2020, making less than his own teammate (Tevin Coleman - # 13) who he outperformed last year and earned the starting job over.  

Some holdouts/trade requests around the league are unreasonable, but this is absolutely not one of them.  And since the Niners are very unlikely to give Mostert more money, demanding a trade is his only recourse.  

[#27TheDominator]

3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Yep, not only do RBs get screwed by the system (hence why Dalvin Cook is threatening to hold out too), but Mostert has gotten screwed more than other backs by how the CBA works.

He's the # 23 paid RB in the league in 2020, making less than his own teammate (Tevin Coleman - # 13) who he outperformed last year and earned the starting job over.  

Some holdouts/trade requests around the league are unreasonable, but this is absolutely not one of them.  And since the Niners are very unlikely to give Mostert more money, demanding a trade is his only recourse.  

Yeah.  I don't think it's even a matter of unreasonable.  Nobody is saying that the 49ers have to cave or that they are scumbags for not ripping up his deal and starting over.  The guy is trying to make money the only way/time he can.

Meanwhile, established contracts:  LOL

Jets have asked Brian WInters to take a pay cut

Jets ask D’Brickashaw Ferguson to take pay cut

NFL: Jets to cut ties with RB Jones..."the team wanted him to take a pay cut."

[tfine]

Nobody honors the contracts anymore. As soon as they put up decent numbers they want 30 mill a year or request a trade


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[Butterfield]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

And walk away with buckets of guaranteed money which is what contracts are all about.

Did we get good value for paying up front for Tru Johnson?  Mo Wilk?  Revis version 2.0?

Until the NFL changes the way they structures deals the simple fact is you are under paid for your 1st 5 years then you make up for it after that.

No matter what industry you are in, there will be good and bad contracts.  Just part of life.  

[Butterfield]

18 minutes ago, tfine said:

Nobody honors the contracts anymore. As soon as they put up decent numbers they want 30 mill a year or request a trade


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The same can be said for teams that overpay.  

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

This isn't really fair. 

Guys like Mostert slave away at the bottom/lower levels.  Comparing him to Revis, WIlkerson and Trumaine Johnson is ridiculous.  The inequity in their treatment is why players stick it to the man when they have the chance.

Mostert is 28 and his last contract was signed while he was under a tender.  He came out in 2005 and he will be 30 when he is a free agent.  The way the NFL structures the contracts is screwing him in the ass.  He won't be able to make up for sh*t.  I get not wanting to be the team that pays guys like this, but I do not understand begrudging the guy his attempt to get paid.

First off, if Mostert  had 2 ypc last year and fumbled 5 times he would have gotten paid the same last year. No one seems to want to accept that some players get paid a ton and under-perform. See Trumaine Johnson. 

Second, no one is saying Mostert shouldn't ask for more money. He is allowed to and the niners are allowed to say no. It's not the niners fault the RB market dictates that a 30 year old RB will get nothing. So Mostert has 2 choices, honor his contract or become a distraction. He has made his choice. You can agree or disagree with that choice. 

[Beerfish]

42 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

No matter what industry you are in, there will be good and bad contracts.  Just part of life.  

Agreed, and in other industries if you have a contract or a certain amount you can ask for more and they can say no.

[BROOKLYN JET]

[Integrity28]

13 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Two years left on his deal.

Its funny how if you out perform a deal you signed over multi years you deserve a raise but if you are a dog like Tru johsnon or any of a many others you do not give the money back.

His deal was for one job, he has been promoted to another. Guys that get promoted don’t deserve to be punished for the bad contracts handed out by bad GMs. Blame teams for not protecting themselves in desks like Tru’s. I believe in meritocracy, and wouldn’t consider these as cases where one situation has to be predetermined because of the other.

Anyway, smart thing for SF to do is trade him for draft picks. Shanny system = manufactures good RBs. He earned his payday, but it doesn’t mean he has to be given it by the Niners.

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Never said he is a top RB.  Only that he isn't a JAG.  He's a solid north-south runner who is probably somewhere in the top 12-15 among backs. 

That is a proper and fair take, one which I used all the information at my disposal to make.

Top 15? 

Hahaha... stick to fully clothed porn.

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Never said he is a top RB.  Only that he isn't a JAG.  He's a solid north-south runner who is probably somewhere in the top 12-15 among backs. 

That is a proper and fair take, one which I used all the information at my disposal to make.

Yeah, no.  There are at least 25 backs I'd take over him, if not more.  The bottom line is, he's a 29 year old ST's vet who right now is a 1 year wonder until proven otherwise.  How that's not a JAG to you is beyond me but agree to disagree.  

 

 

[Lith]

Mostert has had two games in his career with more than 15 carries.  2.  One of them was a playoff game with the whole League watching -- and he played great in that game.   He had one great playoff game.  He was below 60 yards in teh Super Bowl, and also below 60 yards in their Divisional win.  He was great in the NFCCG against Green Bay.  Best player on the field in that game.  Does not mean he is underpaid.  He is a back up RB who had a great post-season game.

From his persepctive, I can see him wanting to parlay that game into a better situation or a better contract.  Does not mean SF needs to accommodate him.

[sec101row23]

So for the first 7 years of Mostert’s career he had amassed a TOTAL of 41 carries for 297 yards and 1 TD.   For that illustrious career he actually signed a 3 year $8.7 million dollar contract from the 49ers.   Not too bad for a RB who had a per season average of 41 yards rushing.    I get he feels he is worth more, but come on, maybe if he had done something, anything, in his previous 7 years, he might be in a different situation.  

[nycdan]

50 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

His deal was for one job, he has been promoted to another. Guys that get promoted don’t deserve to be punished for the bad contracts handed out by bad GMs. Blame teams for not protecting themselves in desks like Tru’s. I believe in meritocracy, and wouldn’t consider these as cases where one situation has to be predetermined because of the other.

Anyway, smart thing for SF to do is trade him for draft picks. Shanny system = manufactures good RBs. He earned his payday, but it doesn’t mean he has to be given it by the Niners.

Perhaps a smart agent would put in clauses to address that.  If my client starts more than 6 games or 100 plays or whatever, he gets a bonus and commensurate raise in the remaining years.  Problem seems to be that NFL contracts are fairly rigid and don't account for evolving roles.  But then a team might ask for the opposite and no player would agree to that so it can be tricky.

[Butterfield]

59 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Agreed, and in other industries if you have a contract or a certain amount you can ask for more and they can say no.

Yeah, and you can go elsewhere.  

[BornJetsFan1983]

5 hours ago, JoePNYJ1 said:

Mostert used to be on our roster.  

I get what some of you guys are saying but I have watched him play.  He has a lots of tread left and he looked explosive.  While its true that its Shanahan's system, I saw him breaking tackles and running away from defenders.  

That being said running backs are a dime a dozen but dont be shocked if someone is interested.

man there are plenty of people wearing green and white that would want him here over bell. Its insane. 

[jetspenguin]

So.....it's not just that the Jets suck and are a horrible team and players are dying to get out and the Coach hates his players? 

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Top 15? 

Hahaha... stick to fully clothed porn.

Yes, top 15.  Only 8 RBs in the league faced more 8+ man boxes than Mostert did last year, and he was still highly successful, then put up a monster postseason.  I believe his yards after contact was upper tier as well.  If he ends up a 1-year wonder, I'll adjust my evaluation accordingly.

You and @JiF love a non-sexy RB like Bilal Powell but refuse to give a guy like Mostert proper credit. 

[Jetsfan80]

38 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

So for the first 7 years of Mostert’s career he had amassed a TOTAL of 41 carries for 297 yards and 1 TD.   For that illustrious career he actually signed a 3 year $8.7 million dollar contract from the 49ers.   Not too bad for a RB who had a per season average of 41 yards rushing.    I get he feels he is worth more, but come on, maybe if he had done something, anything, in his previous 7 years, he might be in a different situation.  

He signed for top Special Teams money.  He wasn't signed for RB money.

Now that he's an established starting RB, he wants to be paid like one.  A pretty reasonable request.  If a special teams gunner suddenly put up an 80+ catch season, it would be fair for him to want to be paid like a WR, no?

[Jet Nut]

53 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

So for the first 7 years of Mostert’s career he had amassed a TOTAL of 41 carries for 297 yards and 1 TD.   For that illustrious career he actually signed a 3 year $8.7 million dollar contract from the 49ers.   Not too bad for a RB who had a per season average of 41 yards rushing.    I get he feels he is worth more, but come on, maybe if he had done something, anything, in his previous 7 years, he might be in a different situation.  

Its not that bad, its the first 4 years he totaled those numbers, he was a 5th year back a year ago.

So after 4 years where he wasnt given too many chances apparently he had a good year.

Think he needs another, not too much to ask

[JustInFudge]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Yes, top 15.  Only 8 RBs in the league faced more 8+ man boxes than Mostert did last year, and he was still highly successful, then put up a monster postseason.  I believe his yards after contact was upper tier as well.  If he ends up a 1-year wonder, I'll adjust my evaluation accordingly.

You and @JiF love a non-sexy RB like Bilal Powell but refuse to give a guy like Mostert proper credit. 

Bilal Powell has/had/will have a significantly better career than Mostert.  Mostert is a flash in the pan.  This happens every year.  Some dude comes in 3rd string or even further down the depth chart because of injury, has a good season and the team rides him only to go right back into irrelevance the next season.  I'm confident Mostert will be no different.

And I never made a ridiculous statements about how good he was, I think my only gripe is he was underutilized.  Never said anything as absurd as he was a top 12 RB in the league.  I just voted him as my favorite "median" Jets player.  lol  I give Morstert for having a nice season because that's all it is right now.  A nice little flash in the pan.

 

[Paradis]

17 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

It's a lot for a team like SF that's right up against the cap as it is.  They rank right up there with the most expensive backfields in the league in 2020:

1. Texans (David Johnson, Duke Johnson, B. Howell):  $16M
2. Jets (Bell, Gore, Perine):  $15.9M
3. Cowboys (Elliott, Pollard, Darius Anderson):  $12.4M
4. Titans (Henry, Perry, Dalyn Dawkins):  $11.8M
5. Panthers (McCaffrey, Mike Davis, Scarlett):  $11.5M
6. Giants (Barkley, Dion Lewis, E. Penny):  $11.4M
7. Patriots (White, Burkhead, Michel):  $11.1M
8. 49ers (Coleman, Mostert, McKinnon):  $10.9M
9. Jaguars (Fournette, Thompson, Armstead):  $10.8M
10. Cardinals (Drake, Edmonds, D.J. Foster):  $10.2M

Jeff Wilson >> everybody else

[Jetsfan80]

20 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Jeff Wilson >> everybody else

I'm sure you're right, I was just using the top 3 salaries of each RB group for convenience purposes.  Including the 4th-highest paid RB for each team doesn't significantly adjust the list from a salary perspective, as they're all in the $600-$750k range in 2020.

[jeremy2020]

I'm glad the Jets have a GM that doesn't seem to be interested in overpaying guys for having 1 year of production.

[Larz]

RBs get a tough deal. They sacrifice their bodies for the team more than any other positions, but that’s exactly what makes them a bad investment 

[Lith]

11 minutes ago, Larz said:

RBs get a tough deal. They sacrifice their bodies for the team more than any other positions, but that’s exactly what makes them a bad investment 

Which is why you need to draft them.  RBs usually proiduce quickly -- they don't need time to develop like other postiions.  Draft RBs on day 2 or early day 3, use them on rookie contract, let them sign a high paying FA deal elsewhere, get a mid round comp pick.  Rinse and repeat.

Hopefull Perine can start this cycle for us, because paying for veteran guys like Bell, Chris Johnson, Isaiah Crowell and Matt Forte has not exactly worked out for us.

[JetsFanShawn]

the jets shoulduv gotting moster put behind perine

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

Which is why you need to draft them.  RBs usually proiduce quickly -- they don't need time to develop like other postiions.  Draft RBs on day 2 or early day 3, use them on rookie contract, let them sign a high paying FA deal elsewhere, get a mid round comp pick.  Rinse and repeat.

Hopefull Perine can start this cycle for us, because paying for veteran guys like Bell, Chris Johnson, Isaiah Crowell and Matt Forte has not exactly worked out for us.

 

The last 3 picks of the 1st round is, to me, the perfect time to draft a RB, because of the 5th year option.

If I don't have a pick in that pick 30-32 range and need a RB, I'm trying my hardest to trade down/up into that range, if there is a RB worth taking around that range.