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2 hours ago, flgreen said:

Potential NY Jets trade targets to help replace Carl Lawson

The New York Jets are reportedly looking to trade for an edge rusher following Carl Lawson's injury, and there are multiple candidates.

By

 Michael Nania

 -

 08/22/2021

 

New York Jets are reportedly exploring a trade for an edge rusher

Following the loss of Carl Lawson to a season-ending Achilles injury, the New York Jets appear to be on the prowl for an edge rusher to replace him.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported that the Jets are looking to acquire a pass rusher to fill the void left by Lawson and that a trade is being considered.

 

 

Here are some players the Jets could go after through the trade market and free agency.

 

Dante Fowler, 27, played defensive end for the Falcons’ 4-3 defense last season, which was captained by now-Jets defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich for the final 11 games following the firing of head coach Dan Quinn. Fowler also played under a linebackers coach named Robert Saleh for two years in Jacksonville (2015-16).

Fowler signed a three-year, $45 million deal with the Falcons in 2020 after a breakout season with the Rams in 2019.

His first season in Atlanta was a failure. Over 14 games, he posted only 30 pressures, ranking 56th among edge rushers. With those 30 pressures coming over 384 pass-rush snaps, Fowler posted a pressure rate of 7.8%, which ranked at the 27th percentile among qualified edge rushers. He also only had three sacks.

Fowler’s struggles led to a contract restructure. His 2021 base salary was reduced from $14 million to $6 million with up to $4 million in incentives added for various sack-total benchmarks. The third year of his contract was voided, making him an impending free agent, although he is still owed $4.7 million in 2022.

Expiring contracts like Fowler could be appealing to the Jets in their current trade search. Unless they are looking to give up premium capital for a top-tier option that could be around for years to come, they are likely looking to spend limited capital for a short-term solution to plug the hole left by Lawson for just one year. That would make players like Fowler more attractive considering the lack of long-term financial commitment.

The third overall pick in the 2015 NFL draft, Fowler has had a wildly inconsistent career but has shown that he does have elite upside. In 2019, Fowler had 11.5 sacks, six passes defended, and two forced fumbles while ranking 11th among edge rushers with 67 pressures.

It is key that the Jets’ new edge rusher can play defensive end, lining up with his hands in the dirt rather than standing up. That’s how the edge rushers are deployed in Saleh’s 4-3 defense.

Fowler played with his hands in the dirt on 63% of his defensive snaps in 2020. Standing up as an outside linebacker might be his best fit, though, as when he had his 2019 career-year with the Rams, he played defensive end just 29% of the time.

Derek Barnett

The Eagles drafted Derek Barnett with the 14th overall pick in the 2017 draft while Joe Douglas was their vice president of player personnel. Philadelphia picked up Barnett’s fifth-year option for the 2021 season and he will become a free agent after the year.

Barnett, 25, has been a solid player throughout his Eagles career. He owns a career pressure rate of 10.5% (slightly above the 2020 EDGE average of 9.7%) and a career run defense grade of 69.3 (above the 2020 EDGE average of 61.4).

Barnett can line up either standing up or with his hands in the dirt but leans toward the defensive end position in Philadelphia’s 4-3 defense. He played defensive end on 65% of his snaps last season.

 

Marcus Davenport

Marcus Davenport, who turns 25 in September, is a promising young defensive end for the Saints. He is entering his fourth season and had his fifth-year option for the 2022 season picked up.

What makes Davenport a possible trade candidate is the fact that New Orleans just drafted defensive end Payton Turner out of Houston with the 28th overall pick in the first round of this year’s draft.

Davenport is a versatile player who had a 49%/51% split between snaps with his hands in the dirt and snaps standing up last season. He has posted borderline star-caliber levels of efficiency throughout his career, owning a 12.6% pressure rate and a 75.7 run defense grade.

The question marks for Davenport are injuries and his ability to handle a starter’s workload. He has missed 11 games in three seasons and has averaged only 35.1 snaps per game over 41 career regular season and playoff appearances. Davenport was a starter in only 15 of his 41 games.

Chandler Jones

Chandler Jones is in the final year of his five-year, $82.5 million contract that he signed with the Cardinals going into the 2017 season. He requested a trade from the Cardinals in late July.

Jones is one of the most accomplished pass rushers of the past decade, but there are strong signs that he may be on the downturn.

 

Now 31 years old, Jones missed the final 11 games of the 2020 season with a bicep injury that required surgery.

Jones was having the worst season of his career by a massive margin prior to the injury. Through five games, he had a 6.0% pressure rate with only 10 pressures on 166 pass-rush snaps. That rate landed him at the 10th percentile among qualified edge rushers by the end of the year.

In addition, Jones ranked at the position’s 42nd percentile in pass-rush win rate (11.9%) and 43rd percentile in PFF’s pass-rush grade (63.1).

Even Jones’ box score numbers were bad. He had one sack and 11 tackles in five games, both career-lows on a per-game basis. Jones was simply a below-average player across the board.

Just one year prior, Jones was named a first-team All-Pro with a career-high 19 sacks. Jones also ranked eighth at his position with 75 pressures.

Whether or not Jones fits the Jets’ scheme is a legitimate question. Throughout his Cardinals career, Jones has primarily been a 3-4 outside linebacker who lines up in a two-point stance (standing up). Jones put his hands in the dirt on only 10% of his snaps last season.

However, Jones does have experience playing defensive end from his time in New England from 2012-15, so he is capable.

Jones could definitely come back strong in 2021 and prove his small-sample 2020 woes were a fluke. He would be an exciting swing for the fences for the Jets, but they should be careful not to overpay for him. There are legitimate red flags regarding his future outlook.

NY Jets free-agent targets to replace Carl Lawson

Olivier Vernon

Olivier Vernon’s availability is unclear after he suffered an Achilles injury of his own during the Browns’ 2020 season finale. He remains a free agent.

Vernon, who turns 31 this October, remained a strong rusher in 2020 as he ranked 17th among edge defenders with 51 pressures. He played 42% of his snaps with his hands in the dirt last season, which is around the norm for his career. Vernon is capable of playing both defensive end and outside linebacker.

Everson Griffen

Everson Griffen will turn 34 years old this December and is not the star he once was, but he was still a good player for the Cowboys and Lions last season. His 15.2% pass-rush win rate ranked at the 73rd percentile among qualified edge rushers.

Griffen is a perfect fit to fill Lawson’s shoes at the right defensive end spot in the Jets’ 4-3 scheme. He played that spot in Mike Zimmer’s 4-3 defense with the Vikings, lining up at right defensive end on 94% of his snaps in 2019.

On Wednesday, Aug. 17, Griffen was reported to have worked out with the Vikings, but there has been no news since then regarding the possibility of a deal being signed.

Barnett seems like the most realistic option of the bunch.

1. Above-average pass rusher, but not phenomenal, so probably won't cost an arm and a leg (although I don't know the Eagles roster well enough to know if they've got someone ready to replace his production, and would be willing to part with him cheaply).

2. JD is already familiar with him.

3. Seems the best fit, scheme wise, having played the majority of his snaps at DE in Philly's 4-3 system.

4. Is only 25, so while initially a stop-gap, is young enough for a contract extension, should he earn it.

 

I kinda think Chandler Jones is a pipe-dream, not just in terms of actually finding the right price to land him, but also in terms of him performing like the player he once was. Not to mention his best seasons seem to have come in Arizona while he was predominantly playing a different position than he would be here.

[Spoot-Face]

2 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Just have Crowder and Barnett swap sides at this week’s joint practice. If both teams like it we’ll make it official.

This, except I'd rather trade Keelan Cole, at this point, than Crowder.

[Albaniajet]

2 hours ago, flgreen said:

Potential NY Jets trade targets to help replace Carl Lawson

The New York Jets are reportedly looking to trade for an edge rusher following Carl Lawson's injury, and there are multiple candidates.

By

 Michael Nania

 -

 08/22/2021

 

New York Jets are reportedly exploring a trade for an edge rusher

Following the loss of Carl Lawson to a season-ending Achilles injury, the New York Jets appear to be on the prowl for an edge rusher to replace him.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported that the Jets are looking to acquire a pass rusher to fill the void left by Lawson and that a trade is being considered.

 

 

Here are some players the Jets could go after through the trade market and free agency.

 

Dante Fowler, 27, played defensive end for the Falcons’ 4-3 defense last season, which was captained by now-Jets defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbrich for the final 11 games following the firing of head coach Dan Quinn. Fowler also played under a linebackers coach named Robert Saleh for two years in Jacksonville (2015-16).

Fowler signed a three-year, $45 million deal with the Falcons in 2020 after a breakout season with the Rams in 2019.

His first season in Atlanta was a failure. Over 14 games, he posted only 30 pressures, ranking 56th among edge rushers. With those 30 pressures coming over 384 pass-rush snaps, Fowler posted a pressure rate of 7.8%, which ranked at the 27th percentile among qualified edge rushers. He also only had three sacks.

Fowler’s struggles led to a contract restructure. His 2021 base salary was reduced from $14 million to $6 million with up to $4 million in incentives added for various sack-total benchmarks. The third year of his contract was voided, making him an impending free agent, although he is still owed $4.7 million in 2022.

Expiring contracts like Fowler could be appealing to the Jets in their current trade search. Unless they are looking to give up premium capital for a top-tier option that could be around for years to come, they are likely looking to spend limited capital for a short-term solution to plug the hole left by Lawson for just one year. That would make players like Fowler more attractive considering the lack of long-term financial commitment.

The third overall pick in the 2015 NFL draft, Fowler has had a wildly inconsistent career but has shown that he does have elite upside. In 2019, Fowler had 11.5 sacks, six passes defended, and two forced fumbles while ranking 11th among edge rushers with 67 pressures.

It is key that the Jets’ new edge rusher can play defensive end, lining up with his hands in the dirt rather than standing up. That’s how the edge rushers are deployed in Saleh’s 4-3 defense.

Fowler played with his hands in the dirt on 63% of his defensive snaps in 2020. Standing up as an outside linebacker might be his best fit, though, as when he had his 2019 career-year with the Rams, he played defensive end just 29% of the time.

Derek Barnett

The Eagles drafted Derek Barnett with the 14th overall pick in the 2017 draft while Joe Douglas was their vice president of player personnel. Philadelphia picked up Barnett’s fifth-year option for the 2021 season and he will become a free agent after the year.

Barnett, 25, has been a solid player throughout his Eagles career. He owns a career pressure rate of 10.5% (slightly above the 2020 EDGE average of 9.7%) and a career run defense grade of 69.3 (above the 2020 EDGE average of 61.4).

Barnett can line up either standing up or with his hands in the dirt but leans toward the defensive end position in Philadelphia’s 4-3 defense. He played defensive end on 65% of his snaps last season.

 

Marcus Davenport

Marcus Davenport, who turns 25 in September, is a promising young defensive end for the Saints. He is entering his fourth season and had his fifth-year option for the 2022 season picked up.

What makes Davenport a possible trade candidate is the fact that New Orleans just drafted defensive end Payton Turner out of Houston with the 28th overall pick in the first round of this year’s draft.

Davenport is a versatile player who had a 49%/51% split between snaps with his hands in the dirt and snaps standing up last season. He has posted borderline star-caliber levels of efficiency throughout his career, owning a 12.6% pressure rate and a 75.7 run defense grade.

The question marks for Davenport are injuries and his ability to handle a starter’s workload. He has missed 11 games in three seasons and has averaged only 35.1 snaps per game over 41 career regular season and playoff appearances. Davenport was a starter in only 15 of his 41 games.

Chandler Jones

Chandler Jones is in the final year of his five-year, $82.5 million contract that he signed with the Cardinals going into the 2017 season. He requested a trade from the Cardinals in late July.

Jones is one of the most accomplished pass rushers of the past decade, but there are strong signs that he may be on the downturn.

 

Now 31 years old, Jones missed the final 11 games of the 2020 season with a bicep injury that required surgery.

Jones was having the worst season of his career by a massive margin prior to the injury. Through five games, he had a 6.0% pressure rate with only 10 pressures on 166 pass-rush snaps. That rate landed him at the 10th percentile among qualified edge rushers by the end of the year.

In addition, Jones ranked at the position’s 42nd percentile in pass-rush win rate (11.9%) and 43rd percentile in PFF’s pass-rush grade (63.1).

Even Jones’ box score numbers were bad. He had one sack and 11 tackles in five games, both career-lows on a per-game basis. Jones was simply a below-average player across the board.

Just one year prior, Jones was named a first-team All-Pro with a career-high 19 sacks. Jones also ranked eighth at his position with 75 pressures.

Whether or not Jones fits the Jets’ scheme is a legitimate question. Throughout his Cardinals career, Jones has primarily been a 3-4 outside linebacker who lines up in a two-point stance (standing up). Jones put his hands in the dirt on only 10% of his snaps last season.

However, Jones does have experience playing defensive end from his time in New England from 2012-15, so he is capable.

Jones could definitely come back strong in 2021 and prove his small-sample 2020 woes were a fluke. He would be an exciting swing for the fences for the Jets, but they should be careful not to overpay for him. There are legitimate red flags regarding his future outlook.

NY Jets free-agent targets to replace Carl Lawson

Olivier Vernon

Olivier Vernon’s availability is unclear after he suffered an Achilles injury of his own during the Browns’ 2020 season finale. He remains a free agent.

Vernon, who turns 31 this October, remained a strong rusher in 2020 as he ranked 17th among edge defenders with 51 pressures. He played 42% of his snaps with his hands in the dirt last season, which is around the norm for his career. Vernon is capable of playing both defensive end and outside linebacker.

Everson Griffen

Everson Griffen will turn 34 years old this December and is not the star he once was, but he was still a good player for the Cowboys and Lions last season. His 15.2% pass-rush win rate ranked at the 73rd percentile among qualified edge rushers.

Griffen is a perfect fit to fill Lawson’s shoes at the right defensive end spot in the Jets’ 4-3 scheme. He played that spot in Mike Zimmer’s 4-3 defense with the Vikings, lining up at right defensive end on 94% of his snaps in 2019.

On Wednesday, Aug. 17, Griffen was reported to have worked out with the Vikings, but there has been no news since then regarding the possibility of a deal being signed.

Vernon is still recovering from an Achilles. Maybe he’s available by week 8?  Sign him to a cheap 1 year deal

[Spoot-Face]

2 hours ago, DetroitRed said:

Would hate to part with Mims

Who suggested that, or are you being sarcastic?

[JETSALLDAY24X]

11 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Barnett seems like the most realistic option of the bunch.

1. Above-average pass rusher, but not phenomenal, so probably won't cost an arm and a leg (although I don't know the Eagles roster well enough to know if they've got someone ready to replace his production, and would be willing to part with him cheaply).

2. JD is already familiar with him.

3. Seems the best fit, scheme wise, having played the majority of his snaps at DE in Philly's 4-3 system.

4. Is only 25, so while initially a stop-gap, is young enough for a contract extension, should he earn it.

 

I kinda think Chandler Jones is a pipe-dream, not just in terms of actually finding the right price to land him, but also in terms of him performing like the player he once was. Not to mention his best seasons seem to have come in Arizona while he was predominantly playing a different position than he would be here.

I think this the absolute worst Mindset to be in for this situation. There would be no point in trading for a guy who would be just part of the rotation. The whole point of this trade would be to replace Lawson's impact. Barnett doesn't do that. If Jones is only half of what he was in 2019 he's the best pass rusher we've had since 2006. What's the point of having draft picks if you're not gonna use them to bring in talent when the opportunity presents itself? 

[Spoot-Face]

14 minutes ago, JETSALLDAY24X said:

I think this the absolute worst Mindset to be in for this situation. There would be no point in trading for a guy who would be just part of the rotation. The whole point of this trade would be to replace Lawson's impact. Barnett doesn't do that. If Jones is only half of what he was in 2019 he's the best pass rusher we've had since 2006. What's the point of having draft picks if you're not gonna use them to bring in talent when the opportunity presents itself? 

That's a fair point, and I should add that I'd be fine with it if they don't pursue anyone and just roll with what we have. I didn't envision us as a playoff contender, even with Lawson. A trade for Barnett would depend on what we're giving up. Player for player, such as Keelan Cole? Yes, I'd do that. For once we're kinda stacked at WR, and Cole has been invisible lately (though, that might make Crowder a more appetizing target for Philly). And I also gotta think, with JD's familiarity with Barnett, he'd have a decent idea if Barnett can be more than a rotational player, and how much he'd be worth it to gamble on. If they decide to go that route, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

As for Chandler Jones, yes, he'd be a much better replacement for Lawson (an upgrade, even) but how much would we have to give up for a player who's best days are behind him? I guess it depends on how soon JD and Saleh think this team can be competitive, and, of course, that depends mostly on the performance of Zach. Not to mention that the last time Jones played DE in a 4-3 was 6 years ago. Could he instantly step in and contribute 8 sacks, even at his age and coming off an injury? Those questions are why I think a Jones trade would be more risky -- a high-risk, high-reward trade -- and I don't see JD doing that, not with this roster. I see the safer Barnett, or even no trade, more likely. But, if we were to go the Jones route, I wouldn't be unexcited, and I'd trust that JD and Saleh know enough to think Jones can make a big impact here.

[CTJetsFan]

Would it be worth placing a call to our friends at the 49ers to see if Dee Ford could be had for cheap?

[JETSALLDAY24X]

18 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

That's a fair point, and I should add that I'd be fine with it if they don't pursue anyone and just roll with what we have. I didn't envision us as a playoff contender, even with Lawson. A trade for Barnett would depend on what we're giving up. Player for player, such as Keelan Cole? Yes, I'd do that. For once we're kinda stacked at WR, and Cole has been invisible lately (though, that might make Crowder a more appetizing target for Philly). And I also gotta think, with JD's familiarity with Barnett, he'd have a decent idea if Barnett can be more than a rotational player, and how much he'd be worth it to gamble on. If they decide to go that route, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

As for Chandler Jones, yes, he'd be a much better replacement for Lawson (an upgrade, even) but how much would we have to give up for a player who's best days are behind him? I guess it depends on how soon JD and Saleh think this team can be competitive, and, of course, that depends mostly on the performance of Zach. Not to mention that the last time Jones played DE in a 4-3 was 6 years ago. Could he instantly step in and contribute 8 sacks, even at his age and coming off an injury? Those questions are why I think a Jones trade would be more risky -- a high-risk, high-reward trade -- and I don't see JD doing that, not with this roster. I see the safer Barnett, or even no trade, more likely. But, if we were to go the Jones route, I wouldn't be unexcited, and I'd trust that JD and Saleh know enough to think Jones can make a big impact here.

Given what Wilson has showed so far, I think you're sending the absolute worst message to the team by not making a move. That's basically saying we're punting on the season because Lawson went down. Looks like the offense might actually be able to the move ball this year. Not giving them at least average defensive play is doing them a massive disservice. I would give up a 2nd & 5th and give him a similar deal to Lawson which is 3/45. The draft picks and cap ultimately aren't a problem and Qunnien+Lawson+Jones would be insane next year. 

[DetroitRed]

1 hour ago, Spoot-Face said:

Who suggested that, or are you being sarcastic?

It wasn’t suggested. But, if you were a GM looking to trade with the Jets, would you ask for Mims?

[Spoot-Face]

1 minute ago, JETSALLDAY24X said:

Given what Wilson has showed so far, I think you're sending the absolute worst message to the team by not making a move. That's basically saying we're punting on the season because Lawson went down. Looks like the offense might actually be able to the move ball this year. Not giving them at least average defensive play is doing them a massive disservice. I would give up a 2nd & 5th and give him a similar deal to Lawson which is 3/45. The draft picks and cap ultimately aren't a problem and Qunnien+Lawson+Jones would be insane next year. 

I mean, Wilson has only shown us 2 preseason games against mostly 2nd stringers. While I do very much like what I've seen, I think it's much to early to be thinking playoffs. I think most of the players understood the expectations for this team coming in. Lawson going down doesn't change that. And if you're only looking for "average defensive play" than Derek Barnett fits that to a T. And I don't think you can say the draft picks aren't a problem when we don't know what they'd be.

Again, I don't hate the idea of a Chandler Jones trade, I just don't think it's a realistic expectation. But, yes, Q, a healthy Lawson, and a healthy Jones playing at 75% of his prime would be an insane line.

[Spoot-Face]

7 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

It wasn’t suggested. But, if you were a GM looking to trade with the Jets, would you ask for Mims?

I mean, hypothetically speaking, yes, depending on the makeup of my current fictional team. GM's can ask for whatever they want, doesn't mean they'll get it.

I think the more important question is, if I were JD, would I say "yes" to a team asking for Mims, in which case I'd say emphatically "no", not for any of the players mentioned in this thread.

[DetroitRed]

14 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

I mean, hypothetically speaking, yes, depending on the makeup of my current fictional team. GM's can ask for whatever they want, doesn't mean they'll get it.

I think the more important question is, if I were JD, would I say "yes" to a team asking for Mims, in which case I'd say emphatically "no", not for any of the players mentioned in this thread.

I would too. But, if I were another GM, I’d have little interest in Crowder. Maybe Cole. Point is, you have to give up something of value to get the same in return 

[JETSALLDAY24X]

20 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

I mean, Wilson has only shown us 2 preseason games against mostly 2nd stringers. While I do very much like what I've seen, I think it's much to early to be thinking playoffs. I think most of the players understood the expectations for this team coming in. Lawson going down doesn't change that. And if you're only looking for "average defensive play" than Derek Barnett fits that to a T. And I don't think you can say the draft picks aren't a problem when we don't know what they'd be.

Again, I don't hate the idea of a Chandler Jones trade, I just don't think it's a realistic expectation. But, yes, Q, a healthy Lawson, and a healthy Jones playing at 75% of his prime would be an insane line.

You can only play the competition that's there. People said the same thing about his BYU competition, these 2nd stringers are a step up from BYU its professional football. Nobody is saying playoffs but it's about creating a culture now. The culture shouldn't be we'll get after it next year. I fully expect them to be competitive and "In the hunt" untill November - December. How can you expect the players, fans to buy in by silently admitting you're punting on the season. 

[ZacharyWilson]

All Gas No Brakes But Next Year doesn't quite ring as loudly with guys that are supposed to make the All Gas No Brakes effort.

[Spoot-Face]

19 minutes ago, DetroitRed said:

I would too. But, if I were another GM, I’d have little interest in Crowder. Maybe Cole. Point is, you have to give up something of value to get the same in return 

I'd be okay with trading Crowder or Cole, but, if Mims reaches his potential, he'll be way more valuable than any of the names mentioned in this thread.

[SR24]

Danielle Hunter could be available but he's gonna cost a 1st and a 3rd if not more and he wants a new deal. Not sure I see Joe D dishing that out although he's definitely worth it 

[Spoot-Face]

16 minutes ago, JETSALLDAY24X said:

You can only play the competition that's there. People said the same thing about his BYU competition, these 2nd stringers are a step up from BYU its professional football. Nobody is saying playoffs but it's about creating a culture now. The culture shouldn't be we'll get after it next year. I fully expect them to be competitive and "In the hunt" untill November - December. How can you expect the players, fans to buy in by silently admitting you're punting on the season. 

1. I don't think it's "punting on the season" to refuse to give up future assets to replace an injured player in a panic move on a team with a rookie QB, rookie HC, and that went 2-14 the previous year, nor am I explicitly advocating not to do that.

2. I can't speak for the players, but I'd be surprised if they expected anything more than a season built around Zach Wilson's development. This team is re-building. They know that. And, if the loss of Lawson drops this team from  "in the hunt in November/December" to a team that's basically tanking (which is kinda what you're inferring) it wasn't that close anyway.

3. As a fan, I can say that I wasn't expecting a highly competitive team this year anyway, and any failure to trade for Lawson's replacement will not kill my enthusiasm of watching this team's development.

[choon328]

3 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

1. I don't think it's "punting on the season" to refuse to give up future assets to replace an injured player in a panic move on a team with a rookie QB, rookie HC, and that went 2-14 the previous year, nor am I explicitly advocating not to do that.

2. I can't speak for the players, but I'd be surprised if they expected anything more than a season built around Zach Wilson's development. This team is re-building. They know that. And, if the loss of Lawson drops this team from  "in the hunt in November/December" to a team that's basically tanking (which is kinda what you're inferring) it wasn't that close anyway.

3. As a fan, I can say that I wasn't expecting a highly competitive team this year anyway, and any failure to trade for Lawson's replacement will not kill my enthusiasm of watching this team's development.

The issue is those players in the locker room believe they can win games.  The GM making a big trade would really signal a lot to the players and the coaching staff about how he feels about them. It would def be a morale boost. 

[harris5214]

After a decade of meaningless football (aside from the Fitzpatrick week 17 disaster) I would love to see a move for a pass rusher as it tells me the organization brass and coaches are actually talking some swings.


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[Spoot-Face]

3 minutes ago, choon328 said:

The issue is those players in the locker room believe they can win games.  The GM making a big trade would really signal a lot to the players and the coaching staff about how he feels about them. It would def be a morale boost. 

I'll reiterate that I'm not opposed to JD swinging a trade for a pass rusher if the price is right. I just don't think it's a dire need. Injuries to impact players happen, and it sucks, no doubt, but I think only teams that are in the window to compete should break the bank to fill the voids left by those injuries. This is a young and hungry team, with a rookie QB and rookie HC. I don't think they need a "morale boost".

[Spoot-Face]

8 minutes ago, harris5214 said:

After a decade of meaningless football (aside from the Fitzpatrick week 17 disaster) I would love to see a move for a pass rusher as it tells me the organization brass and coaches are actually talking some swings.


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This season is far from meaningless, trade or no trade.

[JETSALLDAY24X]

28 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

1. I don't think it's "punting on the season" to refuse to give up future assets to replace an injured player in a panic move on a team with a rookie QB, rookie HC, and that went 2-14 the previous year, nor am I explicitly advocating not to do that.

2. I can't speak for the players, but I'd be surprised if they expected anything more than a season built around Zach Wilson's development. This team is re-building. They know that. And, if the loss of Lawson drops this team from  "in the hunt in November/December" to a team that's basically tanking (which is kinda what you're inferring) it wasn't that close anyway.

3. As a fan, I can say that I wasn't expecting a highly competitive team this year anyway, and any failure to trade for Lawson's replacement will not kill my enthusiasm of watching this team's development.

"Future assets" that you have plenty of? What exactly are they missing out on by giving up a 2nd/3rd and a 5th for a guy who can come and contribute right away for another 3 years? If they gave up my hypothetical offer. They would still have 2 firsts, 1 second, third, fourth, 2 fiths. Plus cap, if that's not enough to put a playoff contender on the field next year then Joe Douglas should lose his job. 

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, SR24 said:

Danielle Hunter could be available but he's gonna cost a 1st and a 3rd if not more and he wants a new deal. Not sure I see Joe D dishing that out although he's definitely worth it 

I am pretty sure he already got his new deal did he not?

[Rangers9]

You really can’t trade for one a true starter not available at best try to sign a specialist for passing downs maybe pick up a vet after they get cut prob because of salary concerns. I’m thinking of somebody like Henry Anderson who is currently with NEP. 

[Jethead]

Of all the players mentioned in this thread, the only one worth draft capital is Hunter and  he's a pipedream. 

Barnett in a player/player plus a swap of late round picks, maybe.

 

[Spoot-Face]

4 minutes ago, JETSALLDAY24X said:

"Future assets" that you have plenty of? What exactly are they missing out on by giving up a 2nd/3rd and a 5th for a guy who can come and contribute right away for another 3 years? If they gave up my hypothetical offer. They would still have 2 firsts, 1 second, third, fourth, 2 fiths. Plus cap, if that's not enough to put a playoff contender on the field next year then Joe Douglas should lose his job. 

I wouldn't give up anything higher than a 3rd for Jones. To compare, Elijah Moore, a 2nd round pick, will (hopefully) contribute for far longer than 3 years, while in his prime years. And at what level can we expect Jones to contribute? He's 31, coming off an injury, and his best recent seasons have all come while playing at a different position than what he would here. If we were closer to Super Bowl ready, then I'd say to aggressively target him, but there are still a lot of questions about the team remaining, and answering those questions is what this season is about.

I'll also reiterate for, like, the umpteenth time, that I am not at all opposed to JD swinging a trade for someone, even Chandler Jones, because it feels like you're arguing like I said I am.

This is all speculation anyway, based off an obvious "report" with no actual sources tying us to Jones or any player or team in particular about trade talks, and we have no idea on what any hypothetical trade compensation package would look like.

I'll end by saying if the price is right, do it. If not, I'm not going to cry if we don't land Chandler Jones.

[Spoot-Face]

3 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

You really can’t trade for one a true starter not available at best try to sign a specialist for passing downs maybe pick up a vet after they get cut prob because of salary concerns. I’m thinking of somebody like Henry Anderson who is currently with NEP. 

[Spoot-Face]

All kidding aside, I vaguely recall that for the entire time Henry Anderson was here, people were saying that we were playing him out of position, and he's much better suited as a 4-3 DE, which we are now running. Someone smarter can correct me if I'm wrong, though.

[RESNewYork]

Bryce huff

[Jethead]

I bet we see Q get some reps at DE with Sheldon and Foley on the inside and Huff opposite. That's a pretty formidable line.

[SR24]

9 hours ago, Beerfish said:

I am pretty sure he already got his new deal did he not?

I’m pretty sure they just reworked his contract for this year to give him more money. If you scroll through this article it goes into much better detail in the “What’s next for Hunter” section 

[Untouchable]

8 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

All kidding aside, I vaguely recall that for the entire time Henry Anderson was here, people were saying that we were playing him out of position, and he's much better suited as a 4-3 DE, which we are now running. Someone smarter can correct me if I'm wrong, though.

It was the opposite

The Colts shipped him to the Jets for a 7th after they switched to a 4-3 and he was completely out of place.

Anderson looked damn good his first year here but then was pretty much invisible afterwards.

[Sonny Werblin]

19 hours ago, Lith said:

Mentioned this in the other thread, but I think it is likely that after seeing how the defense played yesterday, they are looking to upgrade the pass rush to help protect the young secondary and reduce the pressure on some of the rookie/2nd year guys that we are hoping to develop.

I also wonder what this might say about the health of a guy like Vinny Curry.  We have been hearing he would be back for week 2, maybe it is looking like he may be out a bit longer.

Before trading draft capital on an aging pass rusher, I'd wait to see what the D line looks like with Q in the middle. Plus, remember this is a long term build, not a Mac-Tanny load up for one season special. It only matters that the D line is better this season as compared to last and needed improvements will be addressed in the draft, not free agency. Carl Lawson was a unique exception because guys with the character, work ethic and God given ability of Lawson do not often hit free agency at age 26. His age is the reason he was signed because he was viewed a long term solution, not a quick fix. The Bengals were clearly frightened off by his inability to stay healthy, and their concern seems to be justified at this point.

[Jets Voice of Reason]

I'd way rather have the draft capital in next year's draft, which should be way deeper than this past one. I'm excited for this team, but it needs another good offseason to really be serious about making noise in the playoffs in my opinion.