Zach Wilson: "Could Be Ready for Week 1"

[Gastineau Lives]

2 hours ago, jgb said:

 

Oh, and he really isn’t that elusive. He was the third most sacked QB last year and he missed 5 games. He does have decent long-stride speed for a QB (top 20% in the 40) but I haven’t seen anything in his change-of-direction and “shake” to indicate notable “elusivity.”

 

 

Say what you want about anything else but this is false.

He escapes pressure like few qbs I've seen.

[SuicidalSince98]

10 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I believe you missed the point:

It's not wildly unlikely that Zach starts week 1.  In fact that is what I expect to happen, all things considered.

It's unlikely the OP or his brother-in-law knows Zach Wilson, and knows him well enough to get direct, personal assurances that he is definitely starting Week 1.

Not impossible, of course, to be clear.  Just unlikely. 

Of course, some folks here at JN are, in fact, actual insiders, and do know people.  If one of them was the OP making the claim, it would carry some weight.  After all, we do have both team staff and media members here, albeit mostly keeping quiet or avoiding outing themselves.  

 

It was a fan dinner, not wildly unlikely at all

[rtnelson]

37 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Seeing our Defense in live-fire Week 1 is one of the things I am most intrigued/excited to see.

We were the worst Defense in Franchise history last year.  I expect to see an immediate and substantial rise in play quality, especially at pass rush.

We could still suck, sure.  But we also maybe might not.....and THAT is a bit exciting! 

Youre not allowed to he excited or hopeful.  They were the worst D in the NFL last year.  A turnaround to anything we would remotely enjoy would be an outlier.  Best to take the stance that they suck, at least until they're top 15 after the whole year.  Maybe the next 2 years, because we dont want our lil hearts to be sad with expectations unfulfilled.

[hawk]

[jetsrule128]

Zach walking normal in nyc last night according to a fan on Reddit 

[Warfish]

2 minutes ago, rtnelson said:

Youre not allowed to he excited or hopeful.  They were the worst D in the NFL last year.  A turnaround to anything we would remotely enjoy would be an outlier.  Best to take the stance that they suck, at least until they're top 15 after the whole year.  Maybe the next 2 years, because we dont want our lil hearts to be sad with expectations unfulfilled.

Lol, on the contrary, I am very much excited and looking forward to seeing this team in several ways.

I can't wait (for example) to see G.Wilson and B.Hall playing in real games.  I loved both of these picks and advocated for them pre-draft heavily.

My doubts about the Jets today are mostly about Zach.  But even there I am still excited and looking forward to seeing him play.  I wish he were healthy, or at least not rushing back from an injury that cost him all preseason.  But as I say quite often, I want him to shut me up, prove me wrong.  That's what the heart wants.  The brain just doesn't think it's gonna happen.

But the idea that our total team talent is much higher, and the team may be much more competitive, is in fact quite exciting.  

[SuicidalSince98]

5 minutes ago, jetsrule128 said:

Zach walking normal in nyc last night according to a fan on Reddit 

Wildly unlikely 

 

[PorP]

18 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Lol, on the contrary, I am very much excited and looking forward to seeing this team in several ways.

I can't wait (for example) to see G.Wilson and B.Hall playing in real games.  I loved both of these picks and advocated for them pre-draft heavily.

My doubts about the Jets today are mostly about Zach.  But even there I am still excited and looking forward to seeing him play.  I wish he were healthy, or at least not rushing back from an injury that cost him all preseason.  But as I say quite often, I want him to shut me up, prove me wrong.  That's what the heart wants.  The brain just doesn't think it's gonna happen.

But the idea that our total team talent is much higher, and the team may be much more competitive, is in fact quite exciting.  

Well fish, if your brain is driving the bus then you should have a talk with it. 

Because being excited about Garrett AND believing Zach will fail makes about as much sense as being excited to drive 110 horse power Ferrari. 

[T0mShane]

20 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Further, the three best QB performances last year occurred vs. Titans, vs. Bengals, and vs. Bucs. Zach Wilson was the QB for 2 of those 3 games.

The three best statistical QB performances for the Jets last year were 1. Mike White v Bengals (37 of 45, 405 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs, 107.9 rating; Josh Johnson and White v Colts (34 of 52, 412 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 112.4 combined rating), and Joe Flacco v Dolphins (24 of 39, 291 yards, 2 TDs, 101.5 rating).
 

Zach Wilson vs Titans was fun, but skewed because of the two long passes the Titans fell asleep on (accounting for 104 yards of the total 297). Even with those two passes, Wilson’s rating of 97.3 is a distant fourth to the ones I mentioned above. And I’m not sure why you’re including the Bucs game in this conversation (19/33, 234 yards, 1 TD, 89.7 rating) unless you’re grading on a world-historical curve. 

[T0mShane]

20 hours ago, nj meadowlands said:

but maybe you could find a better mindset by rooting for the team's quarterback this season!

PSA: NEVER let the play of any Jets QB determine your mindset. ?

[Bugg]

Pound the run game to keep theRavens defense honest with A LOT of Hall and Carter draws, sweeps, and screens/dumps in the flat; to the point that it keeps the Baltimore offense off the field as the Jets chip away dunking and dunking. Once Ravens start sending the sink, you let EMoore & GWilson just go deep and expose the Ravens safeties 

Simply don’t see how you get 4 TDS of offense with Wilson as your QB, not week 1, not ever . Would love to wake up around New Years Day and have been totally wrong . And also very plausible, Jets defense plays well and gives up 28 points vs. Ravens. Been the same exasperating thing here for a long time ; the offense is mostly a joke at a time league wide offensive scoring is way up, especially with playoff teams. And it’s because the QBs have sucked.


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[Jet Nut]

11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And not figuratively a child either.

I swear every young Jets QB who sucks is always talked about like he’s a little boy.  “Sweet Sammy”.  Creepy stuff.  

Meanwhile Justin Herbert threw for 31 TDs as an age 22 rookie.  Impressive stuff for a child.  

No every 22 or 23 year old football player, athlete is referred to as a child.  
 

[southparkcpa]

1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

No every 22 or 23 year old football player, athlete is referred to as a child.  
 

Especially when they are banging 40 year old MILFS?

[JustInFudge]

3 hours ago, jgb said:

Compared to Lamar Jackson, he is not.

Compared to Flacco, sure.

But yes, I know you’ll keep beating on this point every time he scrambles for 6 yards because it’s the only thing that resembles a “gotcha” you have on me (which is saying something given how much I’ve written about this particular player). It’s also a really weak way to try to distract that you said he’s a good passer — when he’s the worst in the league. Oh but how dare I say “he isn’t really all that elusive” (or whatever my words were this is the most niche point anyone has ever tried to turn into a federal case on here with me, I honestly don’t remember my exact words).

Oh, and he really isn’t that elusive. He was the third most sacked QB last year and he missed 5 games. He does have decent long-stride speed for a QB (top 20% in the 40) but I haven’t seen anything in his change-of-direction and “shake” to indicate notable “elusivity.”

 

 

Exceptional athletes are elusive, dude, it's science!

If Zach is elusive, I've yet to see it used effectively sans 2 or 3 fluky plays.  Running backward and toward the sideline, is not an example of being elusive, almost every QB can pull that off no matter how fast or slow, it's the only guaranteed advantage angle they can use to avoid getting hit and extending the play.  Elusiveness that is impactful it what you see from Rodgers, R. Wilson, Mahomes, Watson, Herbert, Allen, Murray etc. in that they use their ability to make people miss in an elevator.  They make people miss and climb the pocket thus keeping plays on schedule, that's elusive, not just running away from the action.

There is no comparison to Lamar Jackson, nobody has ever done this before, he's on a different level.  Vick is the only dude even close but Lamar is even better IMO.

 

 

[Darnold's Forehead]

1 hour ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

Wildly unlikely 

 

Zach take a note from Strev-God and tuck your shirt in son.

[Hal N of Provo]

3 hours ago, jgb said:

Compared to Lamar Jackson, he is not.

Compared to Flacco, sure.

But yes, I know you’ll keep beating on this point every time he scrambles for 6 yards because it’s the only thing that resembles a “gotcha” you have on me (which is saying something given how much I’ve written about this particular player). It’s also a really weak way to try to distract that you said he’s a good passer — when he’s the worst in the league. Oh but how dare I say “he isn’t really all that elusive” (or whatever my words were this is the most niche point anyone has ever tried to turn into a federal case on here with me, I honestly don’t remember my exact words).

Oh, and he really isn’t that elusive. He was the third most sacked QB last year and he missed 5 games. He does have decent long-stride speed for a QB (top 20% in the 40) but I haven’t seen anything in his change-of-direction and “shake” to indicate notable “elusivity.”

 

 

At the time you were ridiculously not saying he had a single positive trait - I thought it revealed something because there were lots of obvious traits already - even if they did not guarantee a success

that’s the gotcha because it showed you had an irrational dislike of good ‘ol BYU 

[jgb]

2 hours ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

Lamar Jackson was the 8th most sacked QB, 5th with ties… 

^ @ 40 seconds, 5 mins into his nfl career. That is Brian Burns, one of the most athletic DEs in the NFL. If he can do that to him he can do it to anyone. 

 

Yea but he obviously has shake and bake and is the QB with the most designed runs in the league. There is no evidence to suggest same with BYU.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Say what you want about anything else but this is false.

He escapes pressure like few qbs I've seen.

[jgb]

12 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

At the time you were ridiculously not saying he had a single positive trait - I thought it revealed something because there were lots of obvious traits already - even if they did not guarantee a success

that’s the gotcha because it showed you had an irrational dislike of good ‘ol BYU 

Find that post. I don’t believe you. It’s more likely I said something like there is no evidence to suggest he has any special traits.

And if I did say it then I posit you take people far too literally on here. If I said it, it was a hyperbolic throwaway.

[Jetsfan80]

17 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

At the time you were ridiculously not saying he had a single positive trait - I thought it revealed something because there were lots of obvious traits already - even if they did not guarantee a success

that’s the gotcha because it showed you had an irrational dislike of good ‘ol BYU 

There’s a difference between acknowledging Wilson’s positive traits and doing what some are doing in this thread:  Claiming Wilson has EXCEPTIONAL or elite traits.  Other than arm strength he simply doesn’t compared to the rest of the NFLs starting QBs.  

[Jet Nut]

49 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Zach Wilson vs Titans was fun, but skewed because of the two long passes the Titans fell asleep on (accounting for 104 yards of the total 297). Even with those two passes, Wilson’s rating of 97.3 is a distant fourth to the ones I mentioned above. And I’m not sure why you’re including the Bucs game in this conversation (19/33, 234 yards, 1 TD, 89.7 rating) unless you’re grading on a world-historical curve. 

It’s odd, Zach’s really good passes don’t actually count.  They pretty much didn’t happen.  They’re a product of the opponent “falling asleep”.  
 

[slimjasi]

42 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The three best statistical QB performances for the Jets last year were 1. Mike White v Bengals (37 of 45, 405 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs, 107.9 rating; Josh Johnson and White v Colts (34 of 52, 412 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 112.4 combined rating), and Joe Flacco v Dolphins (24 of 39, 291 yards, 2 TDs, 101.5 rating).
 

Zach Wilson vs Titans was fun, but skewed because of the two long passes the Titans fell asleep on (accounting for 104 yards of the total 297). Even with those two passes, Wilson’s rating of 97.3 is a distant fourth to the ones I mentioned above. And I’m not sure why you’re including the Bucs game in this conversation (19/33, 234 yards, 1 TD, 89.7 rating) unless you’re grading on a world-historical curve. 

Josh Johnson was down 42-7 in the 3rd quarter and put up and has some fun in mop up duty. Mike white had one drive in that game: This is why context is important. 

LOL at the Titans game being “skewed” because of two long passes. That’s not how football works. Football is a game of critical plays. You don’t get to say “If these two plays didn’t happen . . . “
 

Wilson was very good in the Bucs game - his best WR in that game was Braxton Berrios (missing Moore, Davis, and Crowder) and his best receiving tight end was Yeboah and he legit had them in a position to win that game late. It was the second best QB performance the Jets had last year. 

[jgb]

8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

There’s a difference between acknowledging Wilson’s positive traits and doing what some are doing in this thread:  Claiming Wilson has EXCEPTIONAL or elite traits.  Other than arm strength he simply doesn’t compared to the rest of the NFLs starting QBs.  

"You said he has 'no positive traits! Well he loves his mother (and her friends) so you are a troll who is WRONG!"

The same people

"He is an exceptional athlete and has an immense ceiling to be one of the best QBs in the league and anyone who says otherwise is a hater troll who really doesn't root for the Jets."

 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

It’s odd, Zach’s really good passes don’t actually count.  They pretty much didn’t happen.  They’re a product of the opponent “falling asleep”.  
 

 

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Josh Johnson was down 42-7 in the 3rd quarter and put up and has some fun in mop up duty. Mike white had one drive in that game: This is why context is important. 

LOL at the Titans game being “skewed” because of two long passes. That’s not how football works. Football is a game of critical plays. You don’t get to say “If these two plays didn’t happen . . . “
 

Wilson was very good in the Bucs game - his best WR in that game was Braxton Berrios (missing Moore, Davis, and Crowder) and his best receiving tight end was Yeboah and he legit had them in a position to win that game late. It was the second best QB performance the Jets had last year. 

Clearly you guys scooted right past the part where even with those passes factoring in, it was the 4th best passer rating by a Jet QB last year. 

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

It’s odd, Zach’s really good passes don’t actually count.  They pretty much didn’t happen.  They’re a product of the opponent “falling asleep”.  
 

They absolutely count, but can you recall him throwing a 9 route at any point during the rest of the season?

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Clearly you guys scooted right past the part where even with those passes factoring in, it was the 4th best passer rating by a Jet QB last year. 

Gee ignoring fact and elevating feelz. 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Josh Johnson was down 42-7 in the 3rd quarter and put up and has some fun in mop up duty. Mike white had one drive in that game: This is why context is important. 

Zach Wilson was playing in mop-up time the entire season. It’s not Josh Johnson’s—or Zach’s—fault that the Great Bob Saleh’s defense was soft as baby sh*t. That first quarter versus Indianapolis should have gotten Ulbrich escorted out of the building.

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Josh Johnson was down 42-7 in the 3rd quarter and put up and has some fun in mop up duty. Mike white had one drive in that game: This is why context is important. 

LOL at the Titans game being “skewed” because of two long passes. That’s not how football works. Football is a game of critical plays. You don’t get to say “If these two plays didn’t happen . . . “

So wait:  Shane isn’t allowed to add context to the Titans game, but you’re allowed to add context to the Josh Johnson game?

Johnsom is about to be signed by his 15th different team in 15 years (some of those not even NFL teams).  He has no business putting up a better statistical performance than a # 2 overall pick / exceptional athlete.  But he did.  

[Hal N of Provo]

11 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

There’s a difference between acknowledging Wilson’s positive traits and doing what some are doing in this thread:  Claiming Wilson has EXCEPTIONAL or elite traits.  Other than arm strength he simply doesn’t compared to the rest of the NFLs starting QBs.  

Yeah but a guy who spent weeks saying Wilson had 0 positive traits won’t be the right guy to critique him 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, Hal N of Provo said:

Yeah but a guy who spent weeks saying Wilson had 0 positive traits won’t be the right guy to critique him 

I doubt jgb said he has 0 positive traits, but if you can find that post that would be great.  

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Hal N of Provo said:

Yeah but a guy who spent weeks saying Wilson had 0 positive traits won’t be the right guy to critique him 

You're entitled to your opinion but not mine. When you have to make up someone's argument, then your's is as week as BYU's knee.

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, jgb said:

"You said he has 'no positive traits! Well he loves his mother (and her friends) so you are a troll who is WRONG!"

The same people

"He is an exceptional athlete and has an immense ceiling to be one of the best QBs in the league."

These people would do better than hunting for truth by semantic posting (and outright fabricating) statements by others and trying to speak truth themselves.

 

Dick Vermeil had one of the great quotes about scouting players, as he did for the bulk of his career when most scouting was based on word of mouth: “If they tell you he runs a 4.3, he runs a 4.6. If they tell you he runs a 4.6, he runs a five-oh.” The Legend of Zach running a 4.5/40 is just that. If he could have run a 4.5, he would absolutely have put that on the record.

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

I doubt jgb said he has 0 positive traits, but if you can find that post that would be great.  

I vaguely remember saying he wasn't elusive a few months ago and it send Hal into meltdown (checks notes) #74 of the off-season.

[slimjasi]

10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Clearly you guys scooted right past the part where even with those passes factoring in, it was the 4th best passer rating by a Jet QB last year. 

A slightly better passer rating does not equate to a better performance. Passer rating is one metric. Josh Allen had the sixth best QBR in the league last year - there are not 5 QBs I would have taken over him last year.

 

I’ll stand by my original statement - the three best Jet QB performances I saw last year were vs Titans, vs Bengals, and vs. Bucs 

[Hal N of Provo]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

I doubt jgb said he has 0 positive traits, but if you can find that post that would be great.  

He did and he knows he did.  I was trying to get him to agree to the easiest - Wilson is elusive - and he wouldn’t even do that.  
 

the search function on JN doesn’t work great for me so I’ll pass on spending hours looking for it at that point but it stretched out for a while.