Why I’m finally optimistic about the Jets pass rush?

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

We can now beat you in so many ways..

IMO, we got a small glimpse last year but the reality is we didn’t play with many leads AND the defense was introducing a lot of new players (Sauce, DJ, Whitehead, JJ, Clemons, Martin, Lawson)

Fast forward to this year.  Imagine being an OT who will need to face multiple waves of promising and entirely different edge rushers.

1. McDonald can beat you with elite quickness, bend and long arms

2. Huff can beat you with the fastest get off in the League and great technique

3. JJ is a speed to power guy who wants to quickly get his long, powerful arms into your chest and throw you off balance

4. Lawson & Clemons can relentlessly bull rush you until the sun goes down.  A healthier Lawson should also bring a wider array of moves & counter moves w/ greater trust in his Achilles 

5. JFM & Clemons can stunt from the outside to inside and overwhelm guards with superior athleticism

I haven’t even mentioned what Guards & Centers will face in Quinnen Williams … or pass rushing specialist Quinton Jefferson.  And that’s after Al Woods wears them down.

Then you factor in that QBs have to hold the ball longer facing Sauce, DJ and Carter II.

Opposing offensive linemen better be good at a lot of things and in great shape.  If there’s a weakness, these Jets have the depth and diversity to expose you.

Thoughts?  Am I overly optimistic?

[Rhg1084]

4 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

We can now beat you in so many ways..

IMO, we got a small glimpse last year but the reality is we didn’t play with many leads AND the defense was introducing a lot of new players (Sauce, DJ, Whitehead, JJ, Clemons, Martin, Lawson)

Fast forward to this year.  Imagine being an OT who will need to face multiple waves of promising and entirely different edge rushers.

1. McDonald can beat you with elite quickness, bend and long arms

2. Huff can beat you with the fastest get off in the League and great technique

3. JJ is a speed to power guy who wants to quickly get his long, powerful arms into your chest and throw you off balance

4. Lawson & Clemons can relentlessly bull rush you until the sun goes down.  A healthier Lawson should also bring a wider array of moves & counter moves w/ greater trust in his Achilles 

5. JFM & Clemons can stunt from the outside to inside and overwhelm guards with superior athleticism

I haven’t even mentioned what Guards & Centers will face in Quinnen Williams … or pass rushing specialist Quinton Jefferson.  And that’s after Al Woods wears them down.

Then you factor in that QBs have to hold the ball longer facing Sauce, DJ and Carter II.

Thoughts?  Am I overly optimistic?

The biggest issue is going to be getting playing time for all these guys. But at least you know each guy will be fresh coming in at 100%

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

The biggest issue is going to be getting playing time for all these guys. But at least you know each guy will be fresh coming in at 100%

A good problem to have.  Let’s also pray they stay healthy.  

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

We can now beat you in so many ways..

IMO, we got a small glimpse last year but the reality is we didn’t play with many leads AND the defense was introducing a lot of new players (Sauce, DJ, Whitehead, JJ, Clemons, Martin, Lawson)

Fast forward to this year.  Imagine being an OT who will need to face multiple waves of promising and entirely different edge rushers.

1. McDonald can beat you with elite quickness, bend and long arms

2. Huff can beat you with the fastest get off in the League and great technique

3. JJ is a speed to power guy who wants to quickly get his long, powerful arms into your chest and throw you off balance

4. Lawson & Clemons can relentlessly bull rush you until the sun goes down.  A healthier Lawson should also bring a wider array of moves & counter moves w/ greater trust in his Achilles 

5. JFM & Clemons can stunt from the outside to inside and overwhelm guards with superior athleticism

I haven’t even mentioned what Guards & Centers will face in Quinnen Williams … or pass rushing specialist Quinton Jefferson.  And that’s after Al Woods wears them down.

Then you factor in that QBs have to hold the ball longer facing Sauce, DJ and Carter II.

Opposing offensive linemen better be good at a lot of things and in great shape.  If there’s a weakness, these Jets have the depth and diversity to expose you.

Thoughts?  Am I overly optimistic?

I think Douglas has done a good job trying to address the pass rush.  But the real stars are the play of sauce and reed. If the corners continue to lock down the pass game we should be able to see some good qb pressure.

[THE BARON]

1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said:

The biggest issue is going to be getting playing time for all these guys. But at least you know each guy will be fresh coming in at 100%

For sure.  They can rotate, stay fresh and have guys going full tilt in the 4th qtr.  

[rex-n-effect]

This is the first time since more than a decade that the team has had a good pass rush, let alone even a competent pass rush. A lot of young guys in the depth like Clemons and JJ who hopefully will keep an aggressive front for the next several years.

It goes to show how depleted the roster has been that it took JD his entire time here to make that unit a serious threat. Lawson's injury aside, I believe the entire group has turned over since JD arrived except for QW. I know people love to talk about how other teams turn over a new GM and hit the playoffs but I don't think any of those teams were as bad off roster-wise as the Jets have been from 2011-2020. 

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

The biggest issue is going to be getting playing time for all these guys. But at least you know each guy will be fresh coming in at 100%

I also wonder how OC’s will try to neutralize the substitution of players to negate those fresh legs. Keeping Al Woods on the field in passing downs… etc

[southparkcpa]

We’ve been drafting D Line since forever.  Coples etc…..  i hope finally it works.  

[GKnight83]

It’s going to be great watching the D grow into its own.

It’s a safe bet they will be better rested this year too. Far fewer 3 and outs this year for sure.


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[LSJF]

My guess is they’re going to try to do short passes against us, tight ends, and running backs ,slot receivers, ripping through our linebackers, and  safeties…

[Dunnie]

My guess is they’re going to try to do short passes against us, tight ends, and running backs ,slot, receivers, ripping through our linebackers, and maybe some safeties…

Exactly this ... Expect to be Nickle and Dimed... Frustrating our vaunted DLine.

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[Greenseed4]

This topic reinforces how critical it’s going to be for Sauce to stay healthy.  If he gets injured our entire defense is exploitable. 

[Cyberjet]

9 hours ago, rangerous said:

I think Douglas has done a good job trying to address the pass rush.  But the real stars are the play of sauce and reed. If the corners continue to lock down the pass game we should be able to see some good qb pressure.

Teams are going to dink  and dunk and short route the Jets to the cows come home.

[jgb]

If McDonald can be a self-creator off the edge... look out.

[FidelioJet]

1 hour ago, Cyberjet said:

Teams are going to dink  and dunk and short route the Jets to the cows come home.

True, but I think Saleh is okay with it.  get into 3rd downs and make stops.  It surely will be the Jets weakness, but if you gotta have a weakness - that's the one what you want it to be.

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, Cyberjet said:

Teams are going to dink  and dunk and short route the Jets to the cows come home.

They’re going to try.  I think Johnson, Macdonald, and even Lawson have the speed to contain the edge. And if the pass rush is overwhelming then the te and/rb will need to stay and block. The only real shortcoming is at safety and lb. We’ll see if sauce and reed can continue working their magic and recognize where the ball is going.

[Larz]

Here’s the backups:

JJ, Huff, McDonsld

yeah, good time to be optimistic 😎

[jtomm]

12 hours ago, THE BARON said:

For sure.  They can rotate, stay fresh and have guys going full tilt in the 4th qtr.  

this  ^^       as long as they stay healthy   

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

2 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

True, but I think Saleh is okay with it.  get into 3rd downs and make stops.  It surely will be the Jets weakness, but if you gotta have a weakness - that's the one what you want it to be.

Yep-  great point!  Every team has a weakness.  I’ll take a strong DLine and Cornerbacks over Linebackers and Safeties any day of the weak.  So would the vast majority of NFL General Managers and Coaches.

Last year, we did a better job stopping running backs out of the backfield but tight ends remained a problem.

2 important names for any Jets fan entering 2023:

1. Tony Adams

2. Jamien Sherwood

Douglas and Saleh seem to be making big bets on them.  

 

[Bungaman]

16 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

The biggest issue is going to be getting playing time for all these guys. But at least you know each guy will be fresh coming in at 100%

Another aspect of this is that injuries that start out minor turn into major ones when you are "forced" to play on: almost every player in the league plays with injury at one point in the season. This team has a DL with enough depth for guys to sit for a half or a game here and there and not have to play dinged up - a luxury. Replacements will come in fresh, healthy and hungry - and guys don't have to go back in at 75% and risk aggravating an injury. The pressure on opposing OL's will be enormous, as there will be little or no drop off in talent or effort. Q might be the only DL whose sub is a big step down off his talent level.  

[Larz]

23 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Yep-  great point!  Every team has a weakness.  I’ll take a strong DLine and Cornerbacks over Linebackers and Safeties any day of the weak.  So would the vast majority of NFL General Managers and Coaches.

Last year, we did a better job stopping running backs out of the backfield but tight ends remained a problem.

2 important names for any Jets fan entering 2023:

1. Tony Adams

2. Jamien Sherwood

Douglas and Saleh seem to be making big bets on them.  

 

Agree and I’m going to be keeping a close eye on Sherwood. Depending on how the Rodgers/CJ/Davis contracts work out, if there is cap room left over I expect JD will call in the Kwon 

[slats]

10 hours ago, LSJF said:

My guess is they’re going to try to do short passes against us, tight ends, and running backs ,slot receivers, ripping through our linebackers, and  safeties…

I don’t think teams like the Bills and Fish are going to suddenly become dink & dunk teams in the face of the Jets defense. They’re going to continue to look for their chunk plays. The Jets defense is designed to be paired with an offense that scores points. Hopefully that’s what they’ve bought with Rodgers. The best defense is a good offense, one that can stay on the field and score points. As long as they can do that, their opponents will also need to score points (unlike recent years against this team). That will allow the DL to pin their ears back and get after the passer. No doubt, teams will try to slow them down with draws and screens, but teams can’t live like that if the other team is scoring points. They’re going to have to try to get the ball downfield. 

[Hex]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

I don’t think teams like the Bills and Fish are going to suddenly become dink & dunk teams in the face of the Jets defense. They’re going to continue to look for their chunk plays. The Jets defense is designed to be paired with an offense that scores points. Hopefully that’s what they’ve bought with Rodgers. The best defense is a good offense, one that can stay on the field and score points. As long as they can do that, their opponents will also need to score points (unlike recent years against this team). That will allow the DL to pin their ears back and get after the passer. No doubt, teams will try to slow them down with draws and screens, but teams can’t live like that if the other team is scoring points. They’re going to have to try to get the ball downfield. 

This is true, however dinking and dunking is also a good way to run the clock out and tire the defense out so the offense doesn’t have much of a chance to score much. The defense will have to be very careful about letting the opponent go 4 yards at a time and take 10 min drives.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

7 minutes ago, slats said:

I don’t think teams like the Bills and Fish are going to suddenly become dink & dunk teams in the face of the Jets defense. They’re going to continue to look for their chunk plays. The Jets defense is designed to be paired with an offense that scores points. Hopefully that’s what they’ve bought with Rodgers. The best defense is a good offense, one that can stay on the field and score points. As long as they can do that, their opponents will also need to score points (unlike recent years against this team). That will allow the DL to pin their ears back and get after the passer. No doubt, teams will try to slow them down with draws and screens, but teams can’t live like that if the other team is scoring points. They’re going to have to try to get the ball downfield. 

Great points!

We are on a roll ..

The only thing that can slow down this topic is the p word..  JK.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

20 minutes ago, Larz said:

Agree and I’m going to be keeping a close eye on Sherwood. Depending on how the Rodgers/CJ/Davis contracts work out, if there is cap room left over I expect JD will call in the Kwon 

The only issue with Kwon is that he wasn’t very good against the TEs last year, despite being a strength of his in the past.  Ironically, he was stronger against the run which was a prior weakness.

They brought in Chuck Clark to help mark TEs in man.  He was statistically one of the best at this.  But now he is hurt :(.  Amos had a bad year last year here and has shown significant signs of slippage in coverage.  Whitehead isn’t the guy and Adams looks to be the high free safety in multiple zone looks.

Sherwood is a converted safety who isn’t the best athlete but has really good instincts to offset his lack of speed.  If he doesn’t show out in preseason, I agree the jets need to look elsewhere … Kwon or someone else.

Against teams like the Chiefs, I think we might see Sauce matched up on Kelce.

[BornJetsFan1983]

16 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

We can now beat you in so many ways..

IMO, we got a small glimpse last year but the reality is we didn’t play with many leads AND the defense was introducing a lot of new players (Sauce, DJ, Whitehead, JJ, Clemons, Martin, Lawson)

Fast forward to this year.  Imagine being an OT who will need to face multiple waves of promising and entirely different edge rushers.

1. McDonald can beat you with elite quickness, bend and long arms

2. Huff can beat you with the fastest get off in the League and great technique

3. JJ is a speed to power guy who wants to quickly get his long, powerful arms into your chest and throw you off balance

4. Lawson & Clemons can relentlessly bull rush you until the sun goes down.  A healthier Lawson should also bring a wider array of moves & counter moves w/ greater trust in his Achilles 

5. JFM & Clemons can stunt from the outside to inside and overwhelm guards with superior athleticism

I haven’t even mentioned what Guards & Centers will face in Quinnen Williams … or pass rushing specialist Quinton Jefferson.  And that’s after Al Woods wears them down.

Then you factor in that QBs have to hold the ball longer facing Sauce, DJ and Carter II.

Opposing offensive linemen better be good at a lot of things and in great shape.  If there’s a weakness, these Jets have the depth and diversity to expose you.

Thoughts?  Am I overly optimistic?

Yes signing qw helps a lot and makes pass rush number 1 in the league

[slats]

21 minutes ago, Hex said:

The defense will have to be very careful about letting the opponent go 4 yards at a time and take 10 min drives.

Every offense in the league would love to be able to do this, but they don’t because it’s extremely hard. One sack or holding penalty, and it falls to pieces. For the Jets, their defense is going to just have a lot more pressure on it this year due to their offense expected to be a lot better. It falls on Ulbrich and Saleh there. Long drives are killers. They can’t let themselves be beat by RBs and TEs. 

[Jet Nut]

11 hours ago, Hex said:

This is true, however dinking and dunking is also a good way to run the clock out and tire the defense out so the offense doesn’t have much of a chance to score much. The defense will have to be very careful about letting the opponent go 4 yards at a time and take 10 min drives.

 Not if the offense is doing their job and putting points on the board.  Then dinking and dunking 10 min drives plays into our hands.  14 play drives also leds to turnovers and are hard to do because a key penalty or sack throws a wrench into those drives

[RevisIsland610]

I'm expecting 55-60 sacks. Team had 45 last year and the talent is better this year and will be playing with more leads creating more opportunities.