Tony Pauline (from JA board) on Malik Nabers Character Concerns: Merged

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

3 hours ago, Maxman said:

Daniel Kelly who is a former NFL scout (If you know you know) wrote this:

LSU wide receiver Malik Nabers is one of the more challenging evaluations I’ve done because he has elite traits, but they don’t always translate on game film.

He leaves me with an unsettled feeling in my gut ⎯ and that’s after studying him in a good number of games in 2022 and 2023.

I can’t ignore that feeling.

For every ‘wow’ play Nabers produces when he blows the doors off a secondary, there are a couple of passes thrown his way when he lacks concentration and his route running looks undisciplined.

Nabers loses focus and/or interest at times. Occasionally, he’s not in the right spot or he’ll drop one he shouldn’t have.

That scares me as someone who has aspirations of getting back into the league as a scout and one day running a team. From a management standpoint, that risk has to be accounted for. The only way to do that is to drop his value on the board.

Two years of tape doesn’t lie.

For a GM whose goal is to not get fired, MHJ is maybe the safest pick in the entire draft.

Nabers isn’t as clean a prospect as MHJ or Jamarr Chase, but if he’s there at #10, the Jets should not hesitate to pull the trigger.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Sounds like he just talked himself into some word salad trying to address the “Daniel Jones might not be the guy” part of the question.

The question itself by JA is cringe.

Agents should tell these guys whose draft stock is already sky high to wait until after the draft to do these meaningless interviews.

[SackExchangeNYJ]

3 hours ago, Maxman said:

Daniel Kelly who is a former NFL scout (If you know you know) wrote this:

LSU wide receiver Malik Nabers is one of the more challenging evaluations I’ve done because he has elite traits, but they don’t always translate on game film.

He leaves me with an unsettled feeling in my gut ⎯ and that’s after studying him in a good number of games in 2022 and 2023.

I can’t ignore that feeling.

For every ‘wow’ play Nabers produces when he blows the doors off a secondary, there are a couple of passes thrown his way when he lacks concentration and his route running looks undisciplined.

Nabers loses focus and/or interest at times. Occasionally, he’s not in the right spot or he’ll drop one he shouldn’t have.

That scares me as someone who has aspirations of getting back into the league as a scout and one day running a team. From a management standpoint, that risk has to be accounted for. The only way to do that is to drop his value on the board.

Two years of tape doesn’t lie.

This comment isn't about Nabers. You lost me at Daniel Kelly.

[Jet_Engine1]

8 hours ago, hmhertz said:

Brief chat w Tony last night. Confirmed the "diva issues" about Nabers.

1. Busted w a gun during Mardi Gras. Plead down, promised ot never carry a handgun again and charges were dropped.
2. Punched a teammate in the jaw
3. Refused to get up at 9am during combine and "was a real bitch" the entire time there.
4. Refused to do certain things bec "MH Jr didnt have to do them so why do I?"
5. May have assaulted a girl on campus that was covered up.

Guys...this guy scares the sh*t out of me. Sometimes talent isnt enough to overcome personality. See OBJ, Diggs and Antonio Brown as great examples.

Other small tidbits:

1. Rumors swirling that Jets leaning towards OLman at 10
2. Doesnt think Fuaga can play LT but can play OG.
3. Made a good pt about Fanuata...Penix is a lefty so technically Rosengarten was protecting his blind side
4. LOVES Fanashu and thinks that should be the Jets pick at 10 unless Odunze falls to them
5. Very high on Bowers...says he was never really asked to block at GA but has ability to. Thinks he may not get to 10 anyway.
6. Rumor he heard was Pats moving down to 11 and taking Pennix there

Tyreek Hill.... 

[Jet_Engine1]

8 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

what is JA board?

 

8 hours ago, T0mShane said:

JetsAddicts.

Its a board of around 7 old guys that bicker like old women and scream about politics constantly. Used to post there... Imagine all of this ENTIRE boards worst posters boiled down to 10 individual people. 

 

HMHERTZ is "lefty larry" over there. I guess he got tired of GJ&H and pops in here now. There are a few really cool, good old posters over there (MSGold, Ret2ski), but its a tiny clique of bitter old guys now. 

[TuscanyTile2]

3 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Tyreek Hill.... 

If that's the case then no thanks!  

[Integrity28]

8 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Pretty sure I’m personally responsible for, at this point, 576 different high-volume poster defections. 

I think you’re swell, the rest don’t matter.

[JustInFudge]

11 hours ago, slimjasi said:

I dunked all over that dude!

[JustInFudge]

10 hours ago, Barton said:

Nabers has freakin tree trunk legs, Jesus. No wonder the dude is always breaking tackles.

Agreed. noticed that in the interview.  Very sexy.

[maury77]

13 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Gotta find out what happened to Pauline at Pro Football Network. I like reading his stuff, but that site he’s on is some serious backwater sh*t. 

To be fair, their mock draft simulator is pretty good. 

[Jetkwondo]

IMO The Nabers choice is really very easy based on talent, even in a trade up... However, the "diva" aspect in him appears to be real, as many young WR's possess which I feel is part of what drives him to greatness. I'm certain JD is weighing this if he falls close to our pick.

Seeing that posted Odunze interview, he fits the character they have been building, makes me feel he is the wiser choice.

They already experienced the pitfalls in taking a "diva" type in Elijah Moore...

[JustInFudge]

12 minutes ago, Jetkwondo said:

IMO The Nabers choice is really very easy based on talent, even in a trade up... However, the "diva" aspect in him appears to be real, as many young WR's possess which I feel is part of what drives him to greatness. I'm certain JD is weighing this if he falls close to our pick.

Seeing that posted Odunze interview, he fits the character they have been building, makes me feel he is the wiser choice.

They already experienced the pitfalls in taking a "diva" type in Elijah Moore...

Mims, Moore, Carter, Lazard - on a team all about "Positive Vibes Only" - Nabes would be a surprising pick.

 

 

[rangerous]

13 hours ago, hmhertz said:

Brief chat w Tony last night. Confirmed the "diva issues" about Nabers.

1. Busted w a gun during Mardi Gras. Plead down, promised ot never carry a handgun again and charges were dropped.
2. Punched a teammate in the jaw
3. Refused to get up at 9am during combine and "was a real bitch" the entire time there.
4. Refused to do certain things bec "MH Jr didnt have to do them so why do I?"
5. May have assaulted a girl on campus that was covered up.

Guys...this guy scares the sh*t out of me. Sometimes talent isnt enough to overcome personality. See OBJ, Diggs and Antonio Brown as great examples.

Other small tidbits:

1. Rumors swirling that Jets leaning towards OLman at 10
2. Doesnt think Fuaga can play LT but can play OG.
3. Made a good pt about Fanuata...Penix is a lefty so technically Rosengarten was protecting his blind side
4. LOVES Fanashu and thinks that should be the Jets pick at 10 unless Odunze falls to them
5. Very high on Bowers...says he was never really asked to block at GA but has ability to. Thinks he may not get to 10 anyway.
6. Rumor he heard was Pats moving down to 11 and taking Pennix there

Hmm, an LSU receiver with an attitude problem.  Who would’ve thunk it.

[LIJetsFan]

9 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Nabers game speed is off the charts.  His routes and hands are excellent.  If he falls to us at 10 it’s an obvious no brainer he might be better than MHJ who I love

 

TONY PAULINE = dumb guy

Fortunately he won't fall to us.  I think Rome ought to be our target at 10 or depending on how things are falling on moving up a few spots.  We can continue to duct tape our OL with a mid ronder and post draft FAs.  

[The Crusher]

12 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Pornhub existed 25 years before the internet?

Maybe that’s why I always got a busy signal when I called my Uncle Spanky for a ride home from Little league? Damn, I just thought he was talking to a psychic. 

[slats]

11 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

Draft him, feed him 90+ balls a year, then trade him for a couple high picks to draft his replacement.

ALL receivers are crazy.  Some just hide it better.  Draft one in the first round every 2-3 years and move them out before paying them 30 million a year.

Keep the assembly line going. 

I think this is the direction of the WR position in the NFL, much in the same way that the RB position has been devalued over the years because of the influx of young, cheap talent every year. With all of college football basically playing run & shoot all over the field, every year there’s another solid to amazing class of WRs coming out, with great players often available throughout the first round, and then usually deep after that. 

[Integrity28]

19 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Maybe that’s why I always got a busy signal when I called my Uncle Spanky for a ride home from Little league? Damn, I just thought he was talking to a psychic. 

Psychic probably said, “You’re going to grow ungodly amounts of hair on your palms.”

[Rich Thornburgh]

56 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

Fortunately he won't fall to us.  I think Rome ought to be our target at 10 or depending on how things are falling on moving up a few spots.  We can continue to duct tape our OL with a mid ronder and post draft FAs.  

They are going to go on a run at QB first 9 picks so one of Nabers, Rome or Alt is falling to us there’s no reason to trade up

[Jetkwondo]

Michael Nania does one of his great stats based breakdowns on weighing our #10 pick between TE, WR and OT for strictly year 1 impact.

Based on projected value to playing time, (roughly 40 %), this year he leans towards WR , but also makes a case for OT and TE. Worth a read ...

https://jetsxfactor.com/2024/04/21/ny-jets-year-one-impact-nfl-draft/

[Jetkwondo]

I don't always agree with Colin Cowherd but I think he's right on this, as that's what I came to realize yesterday.

FOX Sports - Colin Cowherd
No. 10: WR Rome Odunze (Washington)
"He's very mature. Ready to play. You get no ego with the kid. He's just a terrific player. I watched him play live. I saw him play 15 times. I just think he's a grownup. Good routes. A little Davante Adams. This kid is all football. No nonsense. Generally speaking, Aaron Rodgers and [Tom] Brady don't love young receivers. But this kid is like an old 23 … he's going to walk in and be … a real pro. And that's what the Jets need."

[T0mShane]

2 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

I think you’re swell, the rest don’t matter.

❤️

[32EBoozer]

13 hours ago, Barton said:

Nabers has freakin tree trunk legs, Jesus. No wonder the dude is always breaking tackles.

Noticed the same thing with Josina interview. Solid base and good length.

[Jetkwondo]

8 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Noticed the same thing with Josina interview. Solid base and good length.

He definitely has more of a lean RB type body which means he doesn't fold easily after making the catch...  that's a big part of what makes him special.

He's basically Garrett Wilson with 10 lbs more of muscle.

[slats]

1 hour ago, Jetkwondo said:

Michael Nania does one of his great stats based breakdowns on weighing our #10 pick between TE, WR and OT for strictly year 1 impact.

Based on projected value to playing time, (roughly 40 %), this year he leans towards WR , but also makes a case for OT and TE. Worth a read ...

https://jetsxfactor.com/2024/04/21/ny-jets-year-one-impact-nfl-draft/

Great article. Personally, I think it overinflates Bowers’ potential rookie value (no way I see him being the #2 option in the passing game this season, for instance), but he still comes to the same conclusion that WR would be best and OT would be next. That’s the way I’ve been thinking throughout the process. 

[jetstream23]

17 hours ago, hmhertz said:

Brief chat w Tony last night. Confirmed the "diva issues" about Nabers.

1. Busted w a gun during Mardi Gras. Plead down, promised ot never carry a handgun again and charges were dropped.
2. Punched a teammate in the jaw
3. Refused to get up at 9am during combine and "was a real bitch" the entire time there.
4. Refused to do certain things bec "MH Jr didnt have to do them so why do I?"
5. May have assaulted a girl on campus that was covered up.

Guys...this guy scares the sh*t out of me. Sometimes talent isnt enough to overcome personality. See OBJ, Diggs and Antonio Brown as great examples.

Other small tidbits:

1. Rumors swirling that Jets leaning towards OLman at 10
2. Doesnt think Fuaga can play LT but can play OG.
3. Made a good pt about Fanuata...Penix is a lefty so technically Rosengarten was protecting his blind side
4. LOVES Fanashu and thinks that should be the Jets pick at 10 unless Odunze falls to them
5. Very high on Bowers...says he was never really asked to block at GA but has ability to. Thinks he may not get to 10 anyway.
6. Rumor he heard was Pats moving down to 11 and taking Pennix there

The big question obviously....IF Nabers somehow dropped to #10 would the Jets pass?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

9 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

GJ&H

What is this? 😀

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

7 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

The big question obviously....IF Nabers somehow dropped to #10 would the Jets pass?

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 hours ago, Jetkwondo said:

I don't always agree with Colin Cowherd but I think he's right on this, as that's what I came to realize yesterday.

FOX Sports - Colin Cowherd
No. 10: WR Rome Odunze (Washington)
"He's very mature. Ready to play. You get no ego with the kid. He's just a terrific player. I watched him play live. I saw him play 15 times. I just think he's a grownup. Good routes. A little Davante Adams. This kid is all football. No nonsense. Generally speaking, Aaron Rodgers and [Tom] Brady don't love young receivers. But this kid is like an old 23 … he's going to walk in and be … a real pro. And that's what the Jets need."

Cowherd is insufferable.

The Odunze Davante comp isn’t bad though.

Aaron demands WRs who will win their routes and be at their spots exactly in sync with the rhythm and timing of the play.

In other words, it will be a  real NFL offense as compared to the ZW “run backwards for 5 seconds before throwing a desperation heave” style of 3 and out garbage.

[Dcat]

2 hours ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

They are going to go on a run at QB first 9 picks so one of Nabers, Rome or Alt is falling to us there’s no reason to trade up

IMO, everyone here but you is just ignoring the possibility of McCarthy and possibily Penix also going in top 9.  Penix is a bit higher on boards than many think according to some. Desperate teams will move.  And if not 9, then 10.  There is a chance... probably below 50% that Rome  is there at 10.  If 5 QBs go in top 9, then it would take zero defensive players taken in the first 9 for us not to get Rome (or Nabors).   

5 QBs, Alt, MHJ, Nabors, and one of the Edge defenders at the top in the top 9 is a real possibility. Or that 5th QB going at 10 from a trade back.  Don't discount the possibility that Rome is ours at 10. 

 

[section314]

11 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

The big question obviously....IF Nabers somehow dropped to #10 would the Jets pass?

If even half of those things are true he’d be off my board. Let him take his wonderful talents to another team and be their headache.Easy decision.

[Jetkwondo]

16 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

The big question obviously....IF Nabers somehow dropped to #10 would the Jets pass?

I was just pondering that after posting that he's basically Garrett Wilson with 10 lb's of muscle. We could have a nice problem to have, though probably not until next season, with the big question of who is our #1 receiver.

It's only a problem, as it was with E. Moore, if one feels slighted by how he's being, or not being used. And these new questions of Nabers maybe being a diva are worth considering.  That to me is our only potential problem picking him that would cause them to pass in a trade down for the next level #2 type receiver that this draft has an abundance of. 

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, Dcat said:

IMO, everyone here but you is just ignoring the possibility of McCarthy and possibily Penix also going in top 9.  Penix is a bit higher on boards than many think according to some. Desperate teams will move.  And if not 9, then 10.  There is a chance... probably below 50% that Rome  is there at 10.  If that happens then it would take zero defensive players taken in the first 9 for us not to get Rome (or Nabors).   

5 QBs, Alt, MHJ, Nabors, and one of the Edge defenders at the top in the top 9 is a real possibility. Or that 5th QB going at 10 from a trade back.  DOn't discount the possibility that Rome is ours at 10. 

 

But you also have teams like Indy and jax who are rumored to want one of these wrs and have more picks to trade.  So i think as soon as a wr makes it to 7 or 8 there’s a bidding war for those spots not just for a wr but also for a qb potentially.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

1 minute ago, Jetkwondo said:

It's only a problem, as it was with E. Moore, if one feels slighted by how he's being, or not being used. And these new questions of Nabers maybe being a diva are worth considering.  That to me is our only potential problem picking him that would cause them to pass for the next level #2 type receiver that this draft has an abundance of. 

The MHJ and GW fit would be natural since they are friends?

Might be hard to keep both long-term, but that’s a “good problem” to have and one for the future if they are somehow able to get MHJ without giving up too much.

[greenwichjetfan]

Knowing we won't get MHJ, I've firmly been on the Odunze or trade back bandwagon for months. Nabers never qualified for a top 10 pick for me due to his attitude.

[section314]

2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

But you also have teams like Indy and jax who are rumored to want one of these wrs and have more picks to trade.  So i think as soon as a wr makes it to 7 or 8 there’s a bidding war for those spots not just for a wr but also for a qb potentially.

I had the Colts in our JN draft, and they only have 7 picks, one in each rd. From all the work I did researching, I’d be surprised if they would trade up. In fact, most of the talk was them trying to trade back to acquire more capital. But who knows?