Where do you have Will.McD in the lineup ?

[Dunnie]

Cimini has him as a backup ... If that comes.to.pass .. has he become a resident of Bust Land considering where he was drafted ???
 
Cimini 's Two Deep
 
QB Rodgers, Taylor
RB Hall, Allen
WR Wilson, Brownlee
WR Corley, Gipson
WR Williams, Lazard
TE Conklin, Ruckert
LT Smith, Fashanu
LG Simpson, Schweitzer
C Tippmann, Schweitzer
RG Vera-Tucker, Schweitzer
RT Moses, Warren
 
Needs: Another interior lineman
 
DE Reddick, Clemons
DT Williams, Thomas
DT Kinlaw, Fotu
DE Johnson, McDonald
LB Mosley, Sherwood
LB Williams, Surratt
NB Carter II, Oliver
CB Gardner, Stiggers
CB Reed, Echols
S Adams, Key
S Clark, Davis
 
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[neckdemon]

the way they rotate these guys in mcdonald is really the 3rd defensive end and, unless he is just terrible, will get in on probably around 40-45% of the snaps. 

[AFJF]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Cimini has him as a backup ... If that comes.to.pass .. has he become a resident of Bust Land considering where he was drafted ???
 
Cimini 's Two Deep
 
QB Rodgers, Taylor
RB Hall, Allen
WR Wilson, Brownlee
WR Corley, Gipson
WR Williams, Lazard
TE Conklin, Ruckert
LT Smith, Fashanu
LG Simpson, Schweitzer
C Tippmann, Schweitzer
RG Vera-Tucker, Schweitzer
RT Moses, Warren
 
Needs: Another interior lineman
 
DE Reddick, Clemons
DT Williams, Thomas
DT Kinlaw, Fotu
DE Johnson, McDonald
LB Mosley, Sherwood
LB Williams, Surratt
NB Carter II, Oliver
CB Gardner, Stiggers
CB Reed, Echols
S Adams, Key
S Clark, Davis
 
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Bottom of the tweet (not shown) also has Cimini saying the Jets need another safety.  Weird, right?

[OilfieldJet]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Cimini has him as a backup ... If that comes.to.pass .. has he become a resident of Bust Land considering where he was drafted ???
 
Cimini 's Two Deep
 
QB Rodgers, Taylor
RB Hall, Allen
WR Wilson, Brownlee
WR Corley, Gipson
WR Williams, Lazard
TE Conklin, Ruckert
LT Smith, Fashanu
LG Simpson, Schweitzer
C Tippmann, Schweitzer
RG Vera-Tucker, Schweitzer
RT Moses, Warren
 
Needs: Another interior lineman
 
DE Reddick, Clemons
DT Williams, Thomas
DT Kinlaw, Fotu
DE Johnson, McDonald
LB Mosley, Sherwood
LB Williams, Surratt
NB Carter II, Oliver
CB Gardner, Stiggers
CB Reed, Echols
S Adams, Key
S Clark, Davis
 
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This looks about right to me, at least now.

[slats]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Cimini has him as a backup ... If that comes.to.pass .. has he become a resident of Bust Land considering where he was drafted ???

No. Johnson got about 65% of the snaps as a starter last year, JFM was at 55%, Huff was at 41%, all part of their game day rotation. McDonald should post somewhere between Huff and JFM this year, I’d expect. Being a backup =/= being a bust. The Jets just have a lot of talent on the DL. If he plays well, he’ll play more. 
 
On offense, Fashanu, the #11 pick, is also in reserve, with hopes that he won’t get anywhere near 41% of the snaps this season. Meanwhile, the Patriots drafted Penn State’s RT in the third round to convert him into their starting rookie LT this season. Did they draft better just because they needed a starter? 

[BCJet]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

No. Johnson got about 65% of the snaps as a starter last year, JFM was at 55%, Huff was at 41%, all part of their game day rotation. McDonald should post somewhere between Huff and JFM this year, I’d expect. Being a backup =/= being a bust. The Jets just have a lot of talent on the DL. If he plays well, he’ll play more. 
 
On offense, Fashanu, the #11 pick, is also in reserve, with hopes that he won’t get anywhere near 41% of the snaps this season. Meanwhile, the Patriots drafted Penn State’s RT in the third round to convert him into their starting rookie LT this season. Did they draft better just because they needed a starter? 

Ive defended the McD pick a lot, even though JSN was probably the smarter choice, because I think McD has the chance to be a truly elite pass rusher.  The issue is the depth chart and his age.

While I dont agree that backup in 2024 = Bust, if he doesnt become the full time starter until 2025, that will be his age 26 season.  At that point he will be under team control for 3 more season (2024 - $4.5 and 2025 $5.5 and then his option).  That puts him through his age 29 season when he hits FA.  That is somewhat old to sign to a massive contract as a pass rusher - so is his max production 5 years for us?  If so thats not what you want out of a top 20 pick. 

For comparison, Hasaan Reddick will be 30 in September of this year and will be playing his 8th season.  

[southparkcpa]

Has a GM ever had a worse 1st round record than JD?

Oh yes, Mac and Idzik.

But this team has to be a front runner for lack of production from it's 1st and 2nd round picks last 20 years.

 

[Bobby816]

With JFM gone he's now slated to get a lot more snaps. Which I'm happy about. But it all comes down to how much of a liability he is against the run. He's a pass rush specialist. But we cant have teams run all over us if we have Reddick and Mac out there. Our rush D wasn't exactly good last year. Now I expect that to be better bc I think those numbers were slightly skewed bc teams ran a decent amount against us bc they knew we couldn't score and we trailed quite a bit in games. That should all change this year. I expect teams needing to throw more as well as playing with more leads. I expect the INT numbers to go up bc of this as well. 

[The Crusher]

Drive thru 

[Bowles Movement]

13 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Has a GM ever had a worse 1st round record than JD?

Oh yes, Mac and Idzik.

But this team has to be a front runner for lack of production from it's 1st and 2nd round picks last 20 years.

 

Fwiw there’s a recent NY Post article on the Jets drafting and per their analysis, Jets are top 5 under Joe Douglas.  

[Bowles Movement]

8 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

With JFM gone he's now slated to get a lot more snaps. Which I'm happy about. But it all comes down to how much of a liability he is against the run. He's a pass rush specialist. But we cant have teams run all over us if we have Reddick and Mac out there. Our rush D wasn't exactly good last year. Now I expect that to be better bc I think those numbers were slightly skewed bc teams ran a decent amount against us bc they knew we couldn't score and we trailed quite a bit in games. That should all change this year. I expect teams needing to throw more as well as playing with more leads. I expect the INT numbers to go up bc of this as well. 

McDonald was already stout against the run for his size.  He has now had a full NFL offseason to train and bulk up like JJ did.   I expect him to be ready.

[slats]

24 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Ive defended the McD pick a lot, even though JSN was probably the smarter choice, because I think McD has the chance to be a truly elite pass rusher.  The issue is the depth chart and his age.

While I dont agree that backup in 2024 = Bust, if he doesnt become the full time starter until 2025, that will be his age 26 season.  At that point he will be under team control for 3 more season (2024 - $4.5 and 2025 $5.5 and then his option).  That puts him through his age 29 season when he hits FA.  That is somewhat old to sign to a massive contract as a pass rusher - so is his max production 5 years for us?  If so thats not what you want out of a top 20 pick. 

For comparison, Hasaan Reddick will be 30 in September of this year and will be playing his 8th season.  

I think the Jets third round pick can produce as much from the slot as JSN did last year. A slot in the first round isn’t much better value than a TE. 
 
I’m not too concerned about McDonald’s age. He’s not too old to sign a 3-4 year extension at age 29, and his age will affect his market value. If he’s a great player for the team, they’ll figure that out. If the Jets choose to extend the 29 year old Reddick, he won’t have a lot of opportunities to break into the starting lineup over his rookie deal no matter how good he is. But, again, on a team where the starter plays 55% and the backups 42%, it’s not a huge deal. That would fall directly under “good problem to have.” 

[Rhg1084]

I see him taking over the Huff role. Third down pass rusher specialist.

[Jethead]

Defensive End

[Maynard13]

2 hours ago, Dunnie said:

Cimini has him as a backup ... If that comes.to.pass .. has he become a resident of Bust Land considering where he was drafted ???
 
Cimini 's Two Deep
 
QB Rodgers, Taylor
RB Hall, Allen
WR Wilson, Brownlee
WR Corley, Gipson
WR Williams, Lazard
TE Conklin, Ruckert
LT Smith, Fashanu
LG Simpson, Schweitzer
C Tippmann, Schweitzer
RG Vera-Tucker, Schweitzer
RT Moses, Warren
 
Needs: Another interior lineman
 
DE Reddick, Clemons
DT Williams, Thomas
DT Kinlaw, Fotu
DE Johnson, McDonald
LB Mosley, Sherwood
LB Williams, Surratt
NB Carter II, Oliver
CB Gardner, Stiggers
CB Reed, Echols
S Adams, Key
S Clark, Davis
 
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Hanging out with the other ducks on the lake.

[Maynard13]

46 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Has a GM ever had a worse 1st round record than JD?

Oh yes, Mac and Idzik.

But this team has to be a front runner for lack of production from it's 1st and 2nd round picks last 20 years.

 

Hmmmm does that translate into continuous losing seasons? 

[GreenFish]

He’s 3rd in the lineup. With our rotation, the 3rd edge is essentially a starter. Let’s wait and see how he plays this year before calling him a bust. 

[Raideraholic]

2 hours ago, Dunnie said:

Cimini has him as a backup ... If that comes.to.pass .. has he become a resident of Bust Land considering where he was drafted ???
 
Cimini 's Two Deep
 
QB Rodgers, Taylor
RB Hall, Allen
WR Wilson, Brownlee
WR Corley, Gipson
WR Williams, Lazard
TE Conklin, Ruckert
LT Smith, Fashanu
LG Simpson, Schweitzer
C Tippmann, Schweitzer
RG Vera-Tucker, Schweitzer
RT Moses, Warren
 
Needs: Another interior lineman
 
DE Reddick, Clemons
DT Williams, Thomas
DT Kinlaw, Fotu
DE Johnson, McDonald
LB Mosley, Sherwood
LB Williams, Surratt
NB Carter II, Oliver
CB Gardner, Stiggers
CB Reed, Echols
S Adams, Key
S Clark, Davis
 
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No just because a guy doesn’t start doesn’t mean he was a bust .  ( no matter where he was drafted) If you have a better guy in front of him ( Reddick) , it means you’re in great position that a guy that talent is a backup.      McDonald has to improve against the run before he can be starter .

The Raiders are in similar position with Tyree Wilson - 7th pick who they knew was going to take a year ( to recover from his injury) . There is no way you take out Malcolm Koonce( his stats over full season are MAXX Crosbyesque .    They have two top bookend starting Des .  He’s going to get his time in relief of Koonce, and slide inside to Dt on passing downs. 
 

so many fans want instant gratification with their top draft picks, sometimes it just takes time for that player to develop .

[jamesr]

10 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

No just because a guy doesn’t start doesn’t mean he was a bust .  ( no matter where he was drafted) If you have a better guy in front of him ( Reddick) , it means you’re in great position that a guy that talent is a backup.      McDonald has to improve against the run before he can be starter .

The Raiders are in similar position with Tyree Wilson - 7th pick who they knew was going to take a year ( to recover from his injury) . There is no way you take out Malcolm Koonce( his stats over full season are MAXX Crosbyesque .    They have two top bookend starting Des .  He’s going to get his time in relief of Koonce, and slide inside to Dt on passing downs. 
 

so many fans want instant gratification with their top draft picks, sometimes it just takes time for that player to develop .

"Instant coffee generation" - R. Saleh.   

[Warfish]

He's a backup rotational pass-rushing edge.  He'll play maybe 40% of snaps, at most.  Likely a bit less, barring injury to the guys ahead of him..

[LSJF]

1 hour ago, southparkcpa said:

Has a GM ever had a worse 1st round record than JD?

Oh yes, Mac and Idzik.

But this team has to be a front runner for lack of production from it's 1st and 2nd round picks last 20 years.

 

I was about to negative rep, but for the most part you’re correct… how can I argue with an accountant, as you would know the balance sheet of hits and busts…  first round successes … sauce, Jermaine, AVT, garret….will McDonald (tbd) he was good in limited action…. Zach, Mekhi busted… he struck out with the QB and first LT…. Olu looks like a keeper…

[Green Ghost]

 Coach Saleh told everyone in his postseason presser what the Duck needs to do  to get more playing time. First and foremost he needs to bulk up and get stronger this offseason, similar to what JJ did after his rookie year… those are Saleh’s words, not mine.

That’s not what you want to hear about a 25yo 1st round pick coming into year 2, but it is what it is. Come the OTA’s, we’ll see if the kid put in the work his HC wanted. If he did, then we can talk about whether he gets more than 19% of the defensive snaps in ‘24.

[BreeceHallofFame]

6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

He's a backup rotational pass-rushing edge.  He'll play maybe 40% of snaps, at most.  Likely a bit less, barring injury to the guys ahead of him..

He is backing up two spots so he will play at least 50% of the snaps in this defense. 
 

People are seriously underrating this guys ability. He jumped off the screen all pre seasons (looked better than huff who also played in pre season) and had a really good win rate in his limited reps as a starter. 

I expect will mcdonald to have more sacks than JJ next year

[jamesr]

Where he sits in the line up is far less important - it's his production that matters.

If he's making impact plays (sacks, 3rd down stops, forced fumbles) then it shouldn't matter whether he's a "1" or a "2" or a "3".

 

[Barry McCockinner]

Jets Fans: We need better depth!

Also Jets Fans: No not like that!

We have a high quality roster with high quality backups in key positions. I think that's a good thing. McD will be on the field plenty.

[rangerous]

i think macdonald will be coming off the edge and even dropping back into coverage.  he's supposed to be very athletic so maybe he can cover tes and rbs coming into the flat.

[Warfish]

11 minutes ago, BreeceHallofFame said:

He is backing up two spots so he will play at least 50% of the snaps in this defense. 
 

People are seriously underrating this guys ability. He jumped off the screen all pre seasons (looked better than huff who also played in pre season) and had a really good win rate in his limited reps as a starter. 

I expect will mcdonald to have more sacks than JJ next year

Great, I look forward to seeing it.

[Jet Nut]

18 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

 Coach Saleh told everyone in his postseason presser what the Duck needs to do  to get more playing time. First and foremost he needs to bulk up and get stronger this offseason, similar to what JJ did after his rookie year… those are Saleh’s words, not mine.

That’s not what you want to hear about a 25yo 1st round pick coming into year 2, but it is what it is. Come the OTA’s, we’ll see if the kid put in the work his HC wanted. If he did, then we can talk about whether he gets more than 19% of the defensive snaps in ‘24.

Really?  I’ve heard those things about players after their rookie seasons forever.  

[Jetkwondo]

I wish people would just let the kid play and stop judging him negatively on something he had no control over last year. If he failed to register any sacks or forced Fumbles in his very limited playing experience I would doubt him but that's not the case...

I expect to see more of this from him which Huff was unable to do. With Reddick the focus of our pass rush he's in a perfect complimentary position to do what Kiper projected below.

McDonald’s 34 career sacks are an Iowa State record. It’s tied for the Big 12 record. He forced 10 fumbles, which proves his ball-hawking skills.

“I loved his forced fumble production,” said ESPN NFL Draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. “He’s a situational pass rusher who can immediately help any defense.”

With that said, what people question about him is valid... yet he played all over the defensive line in college because teams double teamed him, yet he still proved effective. IMO they should give him a chance to prove he can do the same at the NFL level or if he fails just use him as Kiper suggested and get consistent 10 sacks a year, along with a handful of forced fumbles, which will most likely be his base. 

NFL.com says he’s “lean though the waist, hips and thighs ... and that he’s strong, but lacking NFL mass.”

How much can he provide in run support? Can he play 25-30 snaps a game?

He was quicker and more athletic than some college players trying to block him. That won’t be the case in the NFL.

 

[Green Ghost]

10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Really?  I’ve heard those things about players after their rookie seasons forever.  

Does that not make them true?

[Jet Nut]

9 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Does that not make them true?

Yes and makes your complaint that it’s not what you want to hear puzzling.  It’s like you never read that before.  Or it’s just another whine about a draft pick because he wasn’t named JSN.  
Am I wrong or did you not say that’s not what you want to hear?  Did you question whether he’ll get more than 19% of the snaps?  

[southparkcpa]

16 minutes ago, Jetkwondo said:

I wish people would just let the kid play and stop judging him negatively on something he had no control over last year. If he failed to register any sacks or forced Fumbles in his very limited playing experience I would doubt him but that's not the case...

I expect to see more of this from him which Huff was unable to do. With Reddick the focus of our pass rush he's in a perfect complimentary position to do what Kiper projected below.

McDonald’s 34 career sacks are an Iowa State record. It’s tied for the Big 12 record. He forced 10 fumbles, which proves his ball-hawking skills.

“I loved his forced fumble production,” said ESPN NFL Draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. “He’s a situational pass rusher who can immediately help any defense.”

With that said, what people question about him is valid... yet he played all over the defensive line in college because teams double teamed him, yet he still proved effective. IMO they should give him a chance to prove he can do the same at the NFL level or if he fails just use him as Kiper suggested and get consistent 10 sacks a year, along with a handful of forced fumbles, which will most likely be his base. 

NFL.com says he’s “lean though the waist, hips and thighs ... and that he’s strong, but lacking NFL mass.”

How much can he provide in run support? Can he play 25-30 snaps a game?

He was quicker and more athletic than some college players trying to block him. That won’t be the case in the NFL.

 

Every 1st round pick in the history of the NFL has great college stats.  I'd like to see him play more...  he looks small compared to the average NFL player at his position.

[southparkcpa]

1 hour ago, Bowles Movement said:

Fwiw there’s a recent NY Post article on the Jets drafting and per their analysis, Jets are top 5 under Joe Douglas.  

I'd like to see it....   just seems to me since 2011, our 1st rounders have under whelmed.  But yes, I don't follow other teams and I'm sure they have their share of busts as well.

[Jethead]

44 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

 Coach Saleh told everyone in his postseason presser what the Duck needs to do  to get more playing time. First and foremost he needs to bulk up and get stronger this offseason, similar to what JJ did after his rookie year… those are Saleh’s words, not mine.

That’s not what you want to hear about a 25yo 1st round pick coming into year 2, but it is what it is. Come the OTA’s, we’ll see if the kid put in the work his HC wanted. If he did, then we can talk about whether he gets more than 19% of the defensive snaps in ‘24.

Why not. I bet every player but Nate Newton and The Big Ticket got similar advice.

[Green Ghost]

1 hour ago, Green Ghost said:

 Coach Saleh told everyone in his postseason presser what the Duck needs to do  to get more playing time. First and foremost he needs to bulk up and get stronger this offseason, similar to what JJ did after his rookie year… those are Saleh’s words, not mine.

That’s not what you want to hear about a 25yo 1st round pick coming into year 2, but it is what it is. Come the OTA’s, we’ll see if the kid put in the work his HC wanted. If he did, then we can talk about whether he gets more than 19% of the defensive snaps in ‘24.

 

44 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Really?  I’ve heard those things about players after their rookie seasons forever.  

 

34 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Does that not make them true?

 

26 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Yes and makes your complaint that it’s not what you want to hear puzzling.  It’s like you never read that before.  Or it’s just another whine about a draft pick because he wasn’t named JSN.  

You seem to be determined to twist what I said into something you want it to be. “Complaint”, “Puzzling”…”Whine”? Huh? What are you talking about?
I just included our entire conversation above this quote, and maybe it’s me, but all I see is me relating what Coach said the kid needs to do this offseason, and then saying we’ll see come OTA’s whether the kid listened.
How you got from my original post to where you are in your second reply quite honestly, amazes me.