Jets OTA updates (6/4 Open to Media)

[Barry McCockinner]

15 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

LaMichael perine.....yay Douglas is a gud!

Perine stinks......Booo but Douglas traded for Robinson so he is gud!

Robinson stinks....Boooo but Douglas picked Abankanaa!  Yay!

Abanakanda stinks Noooo but douglas picked two more rbs and singed a vet, yay!  Dogulas is gud!

Never has a gm been praised so much for utterly striking out badly on players year after year then having rose petals at his feet for drafting a new guy like a year after his utter bust pick.

Even non drafted players:  Average dumb fan "Morgan Moses was good we should keep him!"  Douglas dumps him a year or so later We have trade for morgan moses!  Yay Douglas!

Braden Mann 100% totally stinks but gets hurt, bring in Morestead, average dumb fan  "Morestead is VASTLY better than Jag Mann, Douglas dumps him and keeps mann.  A year or so later.  Jets sign morestead "Yay Shrewd Douglas fixes our punting game!  Throw more rose petals!

Joe Douglas has turned a bottom 5 NFL roster into a top 10 NFL roster. Cry harder. Seems the RB depth chart is OK, btw.

[Joe W. Namath]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

Joe Douglas has turned a bottom 5 NFL roster into a top 10 NFL roster. Cry harder.

Top 10?  This is a top 5 roster in the league.  Maybe top 3.

Joe Douglas is the best, young gm in the league.  Jets are winning 13 games this year if rodgers stays healthy.

Ignore the diseased.  They want nothing more than to spread their misery.

[derp]

33 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’d be such an interesting about-face. Bringing in all these guys at the behest of Rodgers last year to dumping every last one after a single season. 

It’s a fascinating season because the roster has some legitimate young talent but might also turn over a ton after this season and lots of jobs are at stake.

[Jack Straw]

Joe Douglas has turned a bottom 5 NFL roster into a top 10 NFL roster. Cry harder. Seems the RB depth chart is OK, btw.

This dude is crying about a 4th and 6th rounder not panning out. The hit rate on these picks is like less than 5%

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[SomebodytoAnybody47]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

LaMichael perine.....yay Douglas is a gud!

Perine stinks......Booo but Douglas traded for Robinson so he is gud!

Robinson stinks....Boooo but Douglas picked Abankanaa!  Yay!

Abanakanda stinks Noooo but douglas picked two more rbs and singed a vet, yay!  Dogulas is gud!

Never has a gm been praised so much for utterly striking out badly on players year after year then having rose petals at his feet for drafting a new guy like a year after his utter bust pick.

Even non drafted players:  Average dumb fan "Morgan Moses was good we should keep him!"  Douglas dumps him a year or so later We have trade for morgan moses!  Yay Douglas!

Braden Mann 100% totally stinks but gets hurt, bring in Morestead, average dumb fan  "Morestead is VASTLY better than Jag Mann, Douglas dumps him and keeps mann.  A year or so later.  Jets sign morestead "Yay Shrewd Douglas fixes our punting game!  Throw more rose petals!

idk. He kinda seems like a gud at fixing mistakes. More rose petals!

[Barry McCockinner]

39 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

idk. He kinda seems like a gud at fixing mistakes. More rose petals!

He has excelled at it over time. All GMs have misses. I feel like the expectation for draft hit rate frequency for NFL GMs is way out of line. 

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Joe Douglas has turned a bottom 5 NFL roster into a top 10 NFL roster. Cry harder. Seems the RB depth chart is OK, btw.

Can you list Joe Douglas's winning % as a GM and can you list all the playoff games he has won?

At least his #2 overall franchise QB and #11 overall franchise left tackle picks worked well.

Don;t worry though dude I am sure he will get a nice fat extension after this year becasue Woody like many of the sunshine squad feel that no playoffs for 13 years is 'bad luck'

If this top 10 roster this year does not win a couple of playoff games this year he needs to be jettisoned into the sun, even if they miss the playoffs he will survive though, but saleh will get canned.

Tally Ho!   On to Cincinnati for the afc title game!

[Barry McCockinner]

13 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Can you list Joe Douglas's winning % as a GM and can you list all the playoff games he has won?

At least his #2 overall franchise QB and #11 overall franchise left tackle picks worked well.

Don;t worry though dude I am sure he will get a nice fat extension after this year becasue Woody like many of the sunshine squad feel that no playoffs for 13 years is 'bad luck'

If this top 10 roster this year does not win a couple of playoff games this year he needs to be jettisoned into the sun, even if they miss the playoffs he will survive though, but saleh will get canned.

Tally Ho!   On to Cincinnati for the afc title game!

Joe Douglas doesn't coach or play in games to have won any playoff games.

He builds the roster and so far as I can tell has done very well at turning it around from where it was when he got here to where it is now. I know you're super worried about the safety position this year. Any other glaring holes?

[ECURB]

7 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Can you list Joe Douglas's winning % as a GM and can you list all the playoff games he has won?

At least his #2 overall franchise QB and #11 overall franchise left tackle picks worked well.

Don;t worry though dude I am sure he will get a nice fat extension after this year becasue Woody like many of the sunshine squad feel that no playoffs for 13 years is 'bad luck'

If this top 10 roster this year does not win a couple of playoff games this year he needs to be jettisoned into the sun, even if they miss the playoffs he will survive though, but saleh will get canned.

Tally Ho!   On to Cincinnati for the afc title game!

Remember what JD inherited. Then take a deep breath.

[Dcat]

9 hours ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

idk. He kinda seems like a gud at fixing mistakes. More rose petals!

Better for a GM to learn how to succeed fixing prior mistakes than not.  See Mike Mccagnan for example, who simply piled one mistake on top of another.

[Augustiniak]

15 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t know that I’d kick too much dirt on Izzy yet, at least until we see these guys run against full contact. Every back looks like a stud in shorts and shells. Izzy’s advantage over the two new guys is that he has the requisite juice to break the line of scrimmage on any given play, and that might make the difference when the pads go on. IMO Izzy’s problem is that he seems to suck at every other part of the game, especially in pass pro, and there’s obvious urgency to keep Rodgers from getting killed by free rushers. Weird choice to look to two rookies to fulfill that responsibility, but alas. 

I think what we saw last year was that izzy doesn’t have the instincts to play rb enough to take advantage of his juice.  You should see juice immediately at rb.  Not being a stud in pass pro is forgiven if you can rip long runs every now and then.  

[OilfieldJet]

16 hours ago, bitonti said:

Stiggers too 

That’s what jumped out to me, what a story if he sticks.

[OilfieldJet]

It’s hard to not be excited, but then again, it’s May. 

[slats]

17 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Brownlee is WR2 right now, You people need to get used to it. 
 

As long as Mike Williams is sidelined and Lazard sucks it’s really not much of a joke at all. I hope he’s taking full advantage. 

16 hours ago, DoubleDown said:

Very interesting to see Cohen getting touches with the 1s right out of the gate.  Perhaps I was wrong saying I don't think he makes the team.

The new backfield has the potential to be special.  A Breece/Allen one two punch with a back to form Cohen as the change of pace will be very difficult to stop.

For Cohen, it’ll come down to how much speed he still has after all his injuries and time off. Where he really needs to show is in the return game, though. He’s battling for a roster spot with Gipson and Abanikanda, and could potentially wind up ahead of both of them. Allen, Davis, and Cohen all getting reps while Izzy sits doesn’t seem to bode well for Abanikanda. 

[Jet_Engine1]

10 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Can you list Joe Douglas's winning % as a GM and can you list all the playoff games he has won?

At least his #2 overall franchise QB and #11 overall franchise left tackle picks worked well.

Don;t worry though dude I am sure he will get a nice fat extension after this year becasue Woody like many of the sunshine squad feel that no playoffs for 13 years is 'bad luck'

If this top 10 roster this year does not win a couple of playoff games this year he needs to be jettisoned into the sun, even if they miss the playoffs he will survive though, but saleh will get canned.

Tally Ho!   On to Cincinnati for the afc title game!

 

That pick single-handedly ruined and wasted 3 full years of Jets Football. The rest is trivia, good or bad.

[Barry McCockinner]

56 minutes ago, OilfieldJet said:

It’s hard to not be excited, but then again, it’s May. 

It's really not though.

[TuscanyTile2]

18 hours ago, Bronx said:

Please don't quit after week one ex-CPT. 

 

Amazing!

[TuscanyTile2]

21 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Bonus tweets with different perspective of the Lazard back shoulder miscue and his overall performance.  Given Rodgers’ reaction I figured these were worth mentioning:

STHs were given exclusive access last week and this week to the Friday OTA sessions.  Figured they’d be good to discuss.  We got better updates today than yesterday.

 

"Tyrod finds Taylor"

Quote

 

 

[TuscanyTile2]

21 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Biggest individual player takeaway (non-Rodgers): Braelon Allen sounds like a really good find so far.

The whole "natural receiver" thing is a great to hear!

[SickJetFan]

6 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The whole "natural receiver" thing is a great to hear!

cant wait to see if he a playa

[jetfan40yrs]

10 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

 

"Tyrod finds Taylor"

 

Malik Taylor, I presume...or it's a trick pass to himself. 😁

[AFJF]

On 6/1/2024 at 4:41 AM, Barry McCockinner said:

He has excelled at it over time. All GMs have misses. I feel like the expectation for draft hit rate frequency for NFL GMs is way out of line. 

Been saying this for years and think it's the result of too much Madden and/or fantasy football.

What people consider to be a "successful" draft class isn't in line with reality.

The league wide hit rate is just below 50% on all draft picks.  Generally speaking, if you can land two starters and a backup/special teamer per draft you're doing alright.

Sometimes you'll have a class that yields no good players or perhaps a class with 1 hit with 10+ picks.  But if you have enough hits mixed in with those classes you should be fine.

Joe D. has a ton of hits and a handful of guys who are too early to say.  He's better than the haters are willing to admit, but who cares?

[JKlecko]

On 5/31/2024 at 11:01 PM, Jack Straw said:

 

This dude is crying about a 4th and 6th rounder not panning out. The hit rate on these picks is like less than 5%

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Exactly, and every GM misses on picks.  That's why they say the draft is a crap shoot. Yet, some Jets fans, expect the GM to hit on every pick, and he's a bum if he doesn't.

[Jet Nut]

On 5/31/2024 at 9:59 PM, Barry McCockinner said:

Joe Douglas has turned a bottom 5 NFL roster into a top 10 NFL roster. Cry harder. Seems the RB depth chart is OK, btw.

Yeah but a 5th round RB might not make the roster in his second season.  Why aren’t we killing JD?  
Yeah and we’re killing him for a 5th that didn’t make it, Izzy a 4th who may or may not.  Let’s not give him credit if Allen works out because of Izzy I guess.  
Of course we didn’t see Breece Hall’s name listed anywhere

[T0mShane]

Forest for the trees situation in regards to evaluating Douglas. Pro-Douglas guys are fixated on pointing out that the dining room has the finest chandeliers and the cabins are well-appointed and the deck chairs are of the highest quality, and everyone else is pointing out that, to date, he’s been the architect of the Titanic, the ship is toe-up in the Atlantic, and he’s rushing a pack of unwanted old guys out onto the bridge in a last-ditch attempt to save it.

[Bowles Movement]

46 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Forest for the trees situation in regards to evaluating Douglas. Pro-Douglas guys are fixated on pointing out that the dining room has the finest chandeliers and the cabins are well-appointed and the deck chairs are of the highest quality, and everyone else is pointing out that, to date, he’s been the architect of the Titanic, the ship is toe-up in the Atlantic, and he’s rushing a pack of unwanted old guys out onto the bridge in a last-ditch attempt to save it.

A pack of unwanted old guys?   The Titanic is toe up?

The hyperbole and hysteria is strong in this one….

And if we are looking at the forest thru the trees, the Jets roster is actually very young excluding Rodgers.  And the young players are good and ascending.   That’s what you as an GM are striving for.

[T0mShane]

Just now, Bowles Movement said:

A pack of unwanted old guys?   The Titanic is toe up?

The hyperbole and hysteria is strong in this one….

And if we are looking at the forest thru the trees, the Jets roster is actually very young excluding Rodgers.  And the young players are good and ascending.   That’s what you as an GM are striving for.

The things working against Douglas are that he’s been on the job for five years, the team has never been competitive at any point in that time, he’s already swapped out coaching staffs and he’s shot his shot on a lottery pick QB. If Rodgers doesn’t carry him over the line this year—as Rodgers himself admits—Douglas is probably all out of chances. 

[Bowles Movement]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The things working against Douglas are that he’s been on the job for five years, the team has never been competitive at any point in that time, he’s already swapped out coaching staffs and he’s shot his shot on a lottery pick QB. If Rodgers doesn’t carry him over the line this year—as Rodgers himself admits—Douglas is probably all out of chances. 

Anything is possible but I think getting rid of Douglas and Saleh would be viewed by Woody as a total rebuild.  I think he likes this team and feels we are close.  My bet would be that he keeps Douglas regardless.  Saleh could get sacrificed if the team doesnt produce and there is a better candidate available.  If the wheels come off completely due to injuries etc, who knows how he responds to a  frustrated fan base.

[JiFtheOracle]

On 5/31/2024 at 9:45 PM, Beerfish said:

LaMichael perine.....yay Douglas is a gud!

Perine stinks......Booo but Douglas traded for Robinson so he is gud!

Robinson stinks....Boooo but Douglas picked Abankanaa!  Yay!

Abanakanda stinks Noooo but douglas picked two more rbs and singed a vet, yay!  Dogulas is gud!

Never has a gm been praised so much for utterly striking out badly on players year after year then having rose petals at his feet for drafting a new guy like a year after his utter bust pick.

Even non drafted players:  Average dumb fan "Morgan Moses was good we should keep him!"  Douglas dumps him a year or so later We have trade for morgan moses!  Yay Douglas!

Braden Mann 100% totally stinks but gets hurt, bring in Morestead, average dumb fan  "Morestead is VASTLY better than Jag Mann, Douglas dumps him and keeps mann.  A year or so later.  Jets sign morestead "Yay Shrewd Douglas fixes our punting game!  Throw more rose petals!

It's funny because you're railing on this GM for missing on 4th/5th round picks and a 6th they dumped on Robinson, which are typically picks that dont make the roster, while ignoring that he also drafted a top 3 RB in the NFL.  I dig it.  But it's also funny because while the frustration is slightly misplaced, it is true, those are the results of this GM and yet, the entire board believes this same GM has hit on every single pick this season and everyone of the 3rd round picks and beyond are set to have a huge impact, this season, on a top 5 roster that is heavily veteran led.

[doitny]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Forest for the trees situation in regards to evaluating Douglas. Pro-Douglas guys are fixated on pointing out that the dining room has the finest chandeliers and the cabins are well-appointed and the deck chairs are of the highest quality, and everyone else is pointing out that, to date, he’s been the architect of the Titanic, the ship is toe-up in the Atlantic, and he’s rushing a pack of unwanted old guys out onto the bridge in a last-ditch attempt to save it.

even if this season does sink and everyone is fired it still is a very good roster. if Rodgers were to retire we would still be a QB away from being good. we would only be the Titanic for one year and then rise from the depths like the Flying Dutchman from the Pirates movies . lol

 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

37 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The things working against Douglas are that he’s been on the job for five years, the team has never been competitive at any point in that time, he’s already swapped out coaching staffs and he’s shot his shot on a lottery pick QB. If Rodgers doesn’t carry him over the line this year—as Rodgers himself admits—Douglas is probably all out of chances. 

What I think is interesting about the story of Joe Douglas is that most GM's never get over or past, selecting a mega bust QB and in the case of Joe Douglas, he drafted a historic bust at #2 overall and it ended up being one of the biggest busts in the history of the NFL and yet, he actually has a damn good roster and a chance at redemption assuming Rodgers can stay healthy and provide 75% of what we've seen from him in the past.  In all honestly, it's rare.

 

[32EBoozer]

On 5/31/2024 at 10:01 PM, Joe W. Namath said:

Top 10?  This is a top 5 roster in the league.  Maybe top 3.

Joe Douglas is the best, young gm in the league.  Jets are winning 13 games this year if rodgers stays healthy.

If we’re a top 3 roster, why aren’t we going to go 16-1?

SF is only team we play with a better roster! Maybe your not as confident in this team or Douglas than you claim to be?

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, JustInFudge said:

What I think is interesting about the story of Joe Douglas is that most GM's never get over or past, selecting a mega bust QB and in the case of Joe Douglas, he drafted a historic bust at #2 overall and it ended up being one of the biggest busts in the history of the NFL and yet, he actually has a damn good roster and a chance at redemption assuming Rodgers can stay healthy and provide 75% of what we've seen from him in the past.  In all honestly, it's rare.

 

I think it speaks more toward how unserious Woody is as an owner, imo. He was over-involved in the Zach Wilson travesty and knew he was complicit enough that he couldn’t outright blame Douglas for it, and, to save face, he stuck another $75 mil in escrow to bring Rodgers in to paper everything over. Also think it’s kind of overstated how “talented” the Jets roster is. Most rosters in the NFL have a pack of name-brand guys on it that are very good. The Cardinals are “talented.” The Texans are “talented.” The Commanders are “talented.” The reason anyone is optimistic about this Jets team is because Rodgers and Tyron Smith plus clever defense should equate to ten plus wins. Which is fine! But it’s not due to some cumulative, sustainable, coherent effort by Douglas, imo. Dude is down twelve with a minute and change left and he’s firing threes from the logo.

[slats]

15 minutes ago, JustInFudge said:

What I think is interesting about the story of Joe Douglas is that most GM's never get over or past, selecting a mega bust QB and in the case of Joe Douglas, he drafted a historic bust at #2 overall and it ended up being one of the biggest busts in the history of the NFL and yet, he actually has a damn good roster and a chance at redemption assuming Rodgers can stay healthy and provide 75% of what we've seen from him in the past.  In all honestly, it's rare.

 

The Jets week one opponent did worse, trading a few first rounders for perhaps a bigger bust. The fact that there were no good QBs in that draft helps him out. There’s no one you can point to and say he missed. You like Fields, Mac Jones was that guy for a hot second in their rookie years, but they all suck. 
 
I wish I actually knew what the **** they were thinking last year. I was fine entering the season with Zach as the backup because Rodgers hadn’t missed a start in five years but, once AR8 went down, they should’ve immediately entered the street FA market and found a viable option. Or the trade market. Something. I don’t know if that was JD’s call or Woody’s call but I know for certain it wasn’t Saleh’s call. Clinging to the false hope that Rodgers would be able to return was not a realistic approach. 
 
That roster was good enough to win and this roster looks stronger. The old tackles aren’t that old and they have good depth behind them. The only Rodgers’ buddy left is Lazard, and he might be a healthy scratch most weeks this season. Their biggest offensive stars are draft picks who performed at high levels with bottom level QB play. The defense is championship caliber, with more than one potential DPoY candidate in the lineup. 
 
Of course, now they need Rodgers to stay upright and win a solid majority of their games. Win a playoff game and the whole gang gets extended. 

[ECURB]

13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I think it speaks more toward how unserious Woody is as an owner, imo. He was over-involved in the Zach Wilson travesty and knew he was complicit enough that he couldn’t outright blame Douglas for it, and, to save face, he stuck another $75 mil in escrow to bring Rodgers in to paper everything over. Also think it’s kind of overstated how “talented” the Jets roster is. Most rosters in the NFL have a pack of name-brand guys on it that are very good. The Cardinals are “talented.” The Texans are “talented.” The Commanders are “talented.” The reason anyone is optimistic about this Jets team is because Rodgers and Tyron Smith plus clever defense should equate to ten plus wins. Which is fine! But it’s not due to some cumulative, sustainable, coherent effort by Douglas, imo. Dude is down twelve with a minute and change left and he’s firing threes from the logo.

This whole Woody/ZW fetish some tin foil hat fans have is just mesmerizing 😂

Almost that entire draft class busted… yet JD and Woody managed to field on paper a top team 2 years in a row and rebrand the team to a timeless look.

JD inherited a train wreck (and sadly Woody was busy playing politics) now that JD had a few years and Woody is back in the building the JETS are a force already. Take off you depressed colored glasses and enjoy.